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February 21, 2014, 05:22:47 AM
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Who wants to hear a funny story?
So, I PMed blackarrow on ecointalk asking him if he could please address my questions in this thread when he posts his weekly update:
http://ecointalk.net/topic/523-question-for-blackarrow-to-answer/

Instead, he asks for my order number. He asked me previously when he refused to answer my questions because he wanted to confirm that I was indeed a customer. So I gave him my order number to prove I'm a paying customer and for him to address my questions. Instead, the next PM I receive from him says he's cancelling my order. Never did I once ask him to cancel my order. And he still hasn't been back online to see my PMs telling him not to cancel my order and that all I wanted was answers.
And now bobsag3 has been ignoring my PMs all day as well.

Funny story, huh?
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February 21, 2014, 05:24:04 AM
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The first vote was yes, supplied by me.
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February 21, 2014, 05:24:52 AM
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The first vote was yes, supplied by me.
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February 21, 2014, 07:52:57 AM
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Oh, Phinnaeus Gage, so you started this thread!

This week, they published some so-called "pictures," but they're all computer graphics:
http://ecointalk.net/gallery/album/11-20-february-2014-progress-update/
http://ecointalk.net/gallery/album/12-x1-wip/
... still seem to be a scam.

They also said they're going to the conference [http://texasbitcoinconference.com/] in Texas. If the directors show up, I'd be quite convinced (still not 100%) they are NOT a scam. The conference starts March 5th.

https://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/progress-update-20-feb-2014.html


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February 21, 2014, 08:03:34 AM
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BA confirmed that my order won't be cancelled.

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February 21, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
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Reading that again carefully:

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14.We have completed the design and manufacture of the banners for the Texax Bitcoin Conference. http://texasbitcoinconference.com/ . This announcement confirms that we will be present there; Minersource, Our reseller from USA, will represent us.

... that means Black Arrow won't be there and their directors won't show up.

Minesource could be a victim of their scam or part of them, too. We're not sure who Minesource or Bobsag (is he from Minesource) is.

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February 21, 2014, 09:34:32 AM
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Reading that again carefully:

https://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/progress-update-20-feb-2014.html

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14.We have completed the design and manufacture of the banners for the Texax Bitcoin Conference. http://texasbitcoinconference.com/ . This announcement confirms that we will be present there; Minersource, Our reseller from USA, will represent us.

... that means Black Arrow won't be there and their directors won't show up. It means they have design and made the banners (which will say "Black Arrow") but no onew from Black Arrow will show up!

Minesource could be a victim of their scam or part of them, too. We're not sure who Minesource or Bobsag (is he from Minesource) is.

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February 21, 2014, 05:43:11 PM
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Reading that again carefully:

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14.We have completed the design and manufacture of the banners for the Texax Bitcoin Conference. http://texasbitcoinconference.com/ . This announcement confirms that we will be present there; Minersource, Our reseller from USA, will represent us.

... that means Black Arrow won't be there and their directors won't show up.

Minesource could be a victim of their scam or part of them, too. We're not sure who Minesource or Bobsag (is he from Minesource) is.


<snip?

Do we accept resellers?
Yes. In order to save our customers shipping costs, we will accept a company that wishes to become our reseller and proves that they are experienced and trustworthy.



Let's revisit Black Arrow's first trustworthy reseller, shall we?

From the desk of Bobsag3, a.k.a. Matt Carson, Black Arrow's first and #1 reseller for their miners.


<snip>

I never ended up moving to another warehouse in Rolla, just the one. We went right from small warehouse in rolla > denver warehouse in one move, early Jan.
We paid for every month, and if your in contact with who you should be to verify that kind of info, they will verify it. So yes, your blowing smoke up peoples asses.

And with that im done on the subject. I think people have seen im more than up front compared to most here- but lets stay on topic about BA, or about actual minersource orders.

Timeline of Matt Carson's datacenter locations. Originally posted in Black Arrow's self-moderated thread, but quickly deleted for being...wait for it..off-topic (and that I was trolling, so they claim). Black Arrow has proof that Matt Carson can NOT be trusted, but continue to use him as their official reseller in the US. If I were to use Tom Williams, of mybitcoin.com, as my official reseller for some product, stating that people change, would I be able to sell many product, Alex Sovu, of cardreaderfactory.com? Me, the asshole, no think so, yet...

BUILDING #1: Purchased the building, awaiting infrastructure.

Building was purchased today!
All the wiring and infrastructure equipment arrives tomorrow-Wednesday. Over 400lb. Poor UPS man


<snip>

Thanks- Ill be moving to a custom made facility here in under 3 weeks.

BUILDING #2: Moving to a better facility here (still in Missouri) located 90 miles away.

Major Update!

We will be moving to a much large, much better facility here by the end of the month. There may be a short down time (its only a 90mi drive) while being setup at the new facility, but we will not be turning anything off right up to the last minute.

Major Update!

We will be moving to a much large, much better facility here by the end of the month. There may be a short down time (its only a 90mi drive) while being setup at the new facility, but we will not be turning anything off right up to the last minute.

Building acquired Smiley

I cant answer on the software but I can on the shipping. Looks like the boards should be done here within 48 hours, and then will be dispatched after a small amount of testing to AUS, and me in the US. At least from me, all boards will then be tested again (Not sure how long... suggestions?) and then immediatly shipped out same day via UPS Next Day/2nd Day air [depending on location]. As soon as we know the boards are done, we can give  concrete delivery.

I'd sample test say 1/10th of the boards for a few hours on testnet.  That'd be my recommendation

Yeah I can do that. *might* be able to live stream, or atleast upload a ton of pictures.
I will be shipping from MO. Middle of the country, and if your anywhere close to me Im ok with local pickup Smiley.


And I just want to say guys - Barn has been working very hard behind the screens to bring this all together... this stuff is immensely complex.

Here we are, on November 18th, and Matt still has his datacenter in Missouri at the second facility:


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This is why I went from garage > warehouse > bigger warehouse. Heat is nuts.

Shenzhen, China    11/26/2013    8:05 P.M.   Departure Scan

Yea, but do the thumbs have any tracking info?  When you get the board delivery after a quick run though where are they coming from for you. I seem to expect California.
No idea on the thumbs- thats all Barn.
I will be shipping out from Central MO.

Does anyone have any details regarding power consumption. The genesis block calculator says expected power usage per unit to be 2100 watts. I am afraid for me that's not going to work. To be honest I was expecting something that would work on a residential 120v circuit. They also do not offer any hosting yet unfortunately.


I got ya covered Tongue
But yeah that is kind of silly. Im glad when I put my new facility together I decided to say fuck it and got all 240v

November 26th, edited on the 28th, Matt Carson is still in Missouri at the second facility: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347732.msg3723600#msg3723600

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bobsag3: Vetted Co-op member. World's lowest hosting fees for vetted miner hosting at a professional colocation hosting facility in Missouri!  Official Black Arrow US Reseller and US Distributor for Drillbit Systems. New Pres. of our Mining Operations arm of our LLC. Providing R19 and R19B miners to the GB Forum!

And still upgrading his second facility:


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No problem. Im having a 400A 240V pannel installed just for the 2kw+ miners that seem to be coming out.

On December 12, 2013, fresh back from China, Matt Carson posted the following... BTW, still located in Missiouri:

This makes no sense financially and if it's going to be hosted in a data center it should be using specialized GPU mining racks that can run more GPUs per motherboard/CPU.  You really need open racks and to use PCI-E riser ribbons if you want to build a GPU mining rig, using a desktop computer case makes no sense especially because heat is a huge issue with scrypt mining.  Also to be honest, scrypt mining is VERY finicky compared to SHA256 mining, you're talking about constant lockups and crashes if heat isn't perfectly controlled.  The amount of time that's going to go into keeping everything running is going to be much higher than with bitcoins and given how the Bitfury towers already caused a ton of problems I'm not sure the coop has enough manpower to keep racks of scrypt miners up and running.

The new facility comes with me also having hired 6 more people to help out. I am currently training them right now.

On December 13, Matt Carson hired additional staff to work at his Missouri-based datacenter, to date not mentioning Denver even once.


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I am working with them right now for me to help with their tickets, so we can get the response time much faster. I have hired additional staff that start work here in a few weeks, and I know they are working hard to improve their systems.

I cant speak on the refunds unfortunately, I am still discussing the options with them.

Four hours later, Matt mentions for the first the move to Denver, right after somebody ask about local pickup since he lives in KC. Did his new hires move to Denver with him?

We will offer local pickups- but we are moving to a massive new facility in CO, so pickups will have to be from there Smiley.

ALSO: I now have access to the BA ticket system, so if you need a response feel free to PM and I can at least check on the status for you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=288012

We are all moved into the new place, lots of updates and pictures to come!

BUILDING #3:

Somewhere in Colorado, in some warehouse with 16-18 foot ceilings, ideally well-suited for bitcoin miners that love fiberglass dust sourced from the exposed insulation in the ceilings and walls, blown free from the constantly moving vortex of air due to the industrial-sized air conditioning unit(s). Whatever you do, don't open up that massive overhead door that's probably not well-sealed, otherwise you'll really have the dust a flying.

This has been the third time you're on record in stating that you only moved once. Care to try for a forth time?

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February 21, 2014, 05:57:16 PM
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We will offer local pickups- but we are moving to a massive new facility in CO, so pickups will have to be from there Smiley.

ALSO: I now have access to the BA ticket system, so if you need a response feel free to PM and I can at least check on the status for you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=168704

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Hi,

I've been part of the bitcointalk community for a while. I was fortunate enough to become part of the Black Arrow team and I'm going to do my best to answer as many questions as possible while I'm here. We're extremely busy answering emails and taking orders for our February 2014 release.

If any moderators want to verify me, please PM me and I will provide my @blackarrowsoftware.com email address.

Thanks!
Matt

The following is Matt Carson's/bobsag3's other known account on this forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10897

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February 21, 2014, 07:34:06 PM
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BA is definitely BS

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February 21, 2014, 08:51:30 PM
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At the VERY LEAST BA is SCUMMY even if they deliver.. the Aliases, the LIES, the deceptions.. They still get the SCUMBAG AWARD even if they ship
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February 22, 2014, 02:39:02 AM
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Sort of related:

I had a few shares of R17 in the DZ mining co-op. .45 BTC. I asked Matt for a refund at had it in 3 days. Although they provide terrible customer service, I believe he's legit. I've transferred orders and gotten refunds from Matt. He's not scamming anyone.

Looks to me like if Black Arrow is still planning on attending the Bitcoin conference in Austin, somebody else other than Matt Carson will be manning the booth, for I've already shown once how this scumbag can't be trusted.

Remember my post (now deleted, but saved) where I shown that Black Arrow's apology letter was copied and pasted from other sources? Well, are you ready to see C&P again, this time on Matt Carson's Cryptmint site?

https://www.cryptmint.com/index.php?main_page=about_us&zenid=560c63223ad705f3c76d81bc13fa63e0

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About Us

Cryptmint was founded at the request of our customers who were seeking an online destination for purchasing precious metals combined with crypto-currency technology in an environment focused on security and service. From the ground up, Cryptmint was built to meet these needs.

We are a premier provider of custom made domestic bullion and numismatic coins located in the Texas and Colorado. Cryptmint is new to the minting world, but getting a lot of attention as a next generation physical cryptocoin minting company within the industry. Cryptmint is setting a new standard for quality and integrity in the manufacturing of precious metals, coin blanks, bullion products, medallions and coins for financial institutions, private corporations, community currencies, and micro nations. Our minting operation is geared to manufacture products to industry standards in brilliant un-circulated (BU) and proof-like or proof quality.

Our goal at Cryptmint, is to build and develop a reputation to provide you with products from a brand that symbolize superior security and purity. At Cryptmint we use the most talented artists, newest technology, and skilled workmanship to manufacture physical Bitcoins, Litecoins and other cryptocurrency precious metal wallets. We provide reliable and discreet shipping. When you make a purchase as important to your future as a precious metals investment, you need to be sure your delivery will make it to your door. To that end, we offer discreet shipping labels and take great care to wrap your product for a safe shipment--all at exceptionally low shipping rates.

The security of your personal information is of the utmost importance. Accordingly, Cryptmint offers a multi-layered approach for your protection: a secure shopping cart, high-grade encryption software, and SSL certificate. Trust is important in this business, so we assure you your credit card and personal information is completely safe. We will never sell or trade your information to any third party. Your trust in Provident Metals is supported by industry-leading security and unbeatable customer service.

http://www.providentmetals.com/why.html

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Reliable and Discreet Shipping

When you make a purchase as important to your future as a precious metals investment, you need to be sure your delivery will make it to your door. To that end, we offer discreet shipping labels and take great care to wrap your product for a safe shipment--all at exceptionally low shipping rates.

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The security of your personal information is of the utmost importance. Accordingly, Provident Metals offers a multi-layered approach for your protection: a secure shopping cart, high-grade encryption software, and SSL certificate through Comodo. Trust is important in this business, so we assure you your credit card and personal information is completely safe. We will never sell or trade your information to any third party. Your trust in Provident Metals is supported by industry-leading security and unbeatable customer service.

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February 20, 2015, 02:30:53 PM
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At the VERY LEAST BA is SCUMMY even if they deliver.. the Aliases, the LIES, the deceptions.. They still get the SCUMBAG AWARD even if they ship

100% confirmed scam! I'm still waiting for my order to ship over a year later.
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