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October 12, 2011, 05:33:44 PM
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Couldn't you guys have chosen another thread to dump your conspiracies/FUD in? I was actually looking for constructive debate on a specific issue as posted in the OP.

Does anyone have tips on how to best communicate bitcoin when talking to occupy protesters?
It's not a conspiracy. It's the fucking truth. Look where the money flows. The banks will benefit from everything that is being proposed. The top 1% tax records don't add up. There's too much money not accounted for. All future regulations only benefit the corporations. It's all in plain sight. You just can't handle it. It's much more convenient for you to believe you can change your puppet governments and that they may actually care about you. Keep living in your dream world.
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October 12, 2011, 05:42:12 PM
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It's not a conspiracy. It's the fucking truth. Look where the money flows. The banks will benefit from everything that is being proposed. The top 1% tax records don't add up. There's too much money not accounted for. All future regulations only benefit the corporations. It's all in plain sight. You just can't handle it.

It's a distraction concocted by conspiracy theorists and forefronted by a guy who HATES banks and the fiat dollar yet oddly does millions of dollars worth of business with banks using fiat dollars. 

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It's much more convenient for you to believe you can change your puppet governments and that they may actually care about you. Keep living in your dream world.

You're young and impressionable.  You think you've stumbled upon secret information about the world and that it gives you a leg up on your peers.  This is extremely important to you because you have low self esteem.  You will grow out of this phase once you have to face an actual hardship in life.
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October 12, 2011, 05:46:27 PM
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It's not a conspiracy. It's the fucking truth. Look where the money flows. The banks will benefit from everything that is being proposed. The top 1% tax records don't add up. There's too much money not accounted for. All future regulations only benefit the corporations. It's all in plain sight. You just can't handle it.

It's a distraction concocted by conspiracy theorists and forefronted by a guy who HATES banks and the fiat dollar yet oddly does millions of dollars worth of business with banks using fiat dollars.  

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It's much more convenient for you to believe you can change your puppet governments and that they may actually care about you. Keep living in your dream world.

You're young and impressionable.  You think you've stumbled upon secret information about the world and that it gives you a leg up on your peers.  This is extremely important to you because you have low self esteem.  You will grow out of this phase once you have to face an actual hardship in life.

You haven't refuted anything. There is no incentive for there to be a distraction from this end. Anyways, Alex Jones is highly invested in precious metals. We have similar views but I am not a rigid follower. All I want is the truth and the truth is where the money flows and it goes right to the banks.

I've been against the banks far long before I found out about AJ. I've been fanatic about Bitcoin since 2009 for a reason.

The fact is you have no truth of your own. You follow what is convenient.
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October 12, 2011, 05:52:19 PM
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Couldn't you guys have chosen another thread to dump your conspiracies/FUD in? I was actually looking for constructive debate on a specific issue as posted in the OP.

Does anyone have tips on how to best communicate bitcoin when talking to occupy protesters?

I tried but they are the absolute definition of MTV Generation.
Package your ideas up in a socialist/communistic wrapping, and they might listen.

It truly is-
"I am pissed and lazy, and I am certain I will never contribute or amount to anything significant. So give me something."

I don't even have the words for how disappointed I am in those people.


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October 12, 2011, 05:56:56 PM
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You haven't refuted anything.

Fine.  Please explain how the banks will benefit from reinstatement of Glass-Steagal, which drastically reduces the amount of money they can lend out at a time?

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There is no incentive for there to be a distraction.

I know you've seen the infographics depicting how the rich keep getting richer at the expense of everyone else.  Pretend I posted one of those here.

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Anyways, Alex Jones is highly invested in precious metals.

Aww isn't that cute.  Please explain how you would know this?  Or did you mean he _claims_ to be highly invested in precious metals?  And this is while one of his chief sponsors is willing to sell you gold and silver for your worthless dollars.  How generous of him.

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We have similar views but I am not a rigid follower. All I want is the truth and the truth is where the money flows and it goes right to the banks.

I've been against the banks far long before I found out about AJ. I've been fanatic about Bitcoin since 2009 for a reason.

For the same reason as everyone else here: you saw dollar signs.  That's why you're despondent about the low "value" of BTC in dollars: you want more dollars.

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October 12, 2011, 06:00:28 PM
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The occupy wallstreet movement is a charade at the moment in the hands of the press. It had grass roots beginnings but those are now long gone. Bitcoin isn't going penetrate a nanometer into its ecosystem. It can't because it won't even be reported on. Its image will be whatever the corporatist press wills it.

If you want any luck, you're better off entering the Occupy the Fed movement.

You sound like the liberal media arm with regards to the Tea Party.

Don't discount them yet, from what I can tell, they're sticking to their leaderless movement principle.

The more people scream "liberal shills!" the more it's likely to happen. Have you actually been to one of these yet?
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October 12, 2011, 06:04:49 PM
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The more people scream "liberal shills!" the more it's likely to happen. Have you actually been to one of these yet?

Atlas is literally just repeating things he hears on Alex Jones.  I highly recommend listening to Alex Jones ironically.  When he gets into the CIA weather control stuff, you'll know you're through the looking glass.
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October 12, 2011, 06:05:32 PM
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Please explain how the banks will benefit from reinstatement of Glass-Steagal, which drastically reduces the amount of money they can lend out at a time?


This will allow the central banks to enact a more monetarist policy when it comes to its lending practices to the consumer banks. So, it means more printed money, more printed money means a dilution of wealth, increased taxation and more money in their pockets in through their PM holdings. I am sure they will be insert more provisions that benefit them in the back pages of the bill through their paid-out politicians.

I know you've seen the infographics depicting how the rich keep getting richer at the expense of everyone else.  Pretend I posted one of those here.


Alex Jones is hardly rich by any rational standard of measure. His income only measures in the millions or so and only from the attention coming to his radio show which is under 5 millions viewers. He isn't conspiring against anybody. He isn't making enough nor have a large enough audience to justify any large manipulation of the populace.
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October 12, 2011, 06:06:10 PM
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The occupy wallstreet movement is a charade at the moment in the hands of the press. It had grass roots beginnings but those are now long gone. Bitcoin isn't going penetrate a nanometer into its ecosystem. It can't because it won't even be reported on. Its image will be whatever the corporatist press wills it.

If you want any luck, you're better off entering the Occupy the Fed movement.

You sound like the liberal media arm with regards to the Tea Party.

Don't discount them yet, from what I can tell, they're sticking to their leaderless movement principle.

The more people scream "liberal shills!" the more it's likely to happen. Have you actually been to one of these yet?
Please look at the tea party today and tell me it hasn't been taken over by the mainstream establishment.
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October 12, 2011, 06:14:00 PM
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The occupy wallstreet movement is a charade at the moment in the hands of the press. It had grass roots beginnings but those are now long gone. Bitcoin isn't going penetrate a nanometer into its ecosystem. It can't because it won't even be reported on. Its image will be whatever the corporatist press wills it.

If you want any luck, you're better off entering the Occupy the Fed movement.

You sound like the liberal media arm with regards to the Tea Party.

Don't discount them yet, from what I can tell, they're sticking to their leaderless movement principle.

The more people scream "liberal shills!" the more it's likely to happen. Have you actually been to one of these yet?
Please look at the tea party today and tell me it hasn't been taken over by the mainstream establishment.

Of course it has, but I don't see any indication that something similar has happened to OWS (yet). Yes, they've received some media (not much) and union support, but like I said, from what I've seen, they're sticking to the ideal of a leaderless movement. All of the political support I've seen has been "yeah, I agree with some of what they say, but they NEED TO FOLLOW THE LAWS!!!111one"

Which seems like a good selling point for our (yours and mine) ideas. If they can organize themselves without leaders, why do they need to appoint leaders to fix the problems they see in the world?
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October 12, 2011, 06:16:24 PM
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The occupy wallstreet movement is a charade at the moment in the hands of the press. It had grass roots beginnings but those are now long gone. Bitcoin isn't going penetrate a nanometer into its ecosystem. It can't because it won't even be reported on. Its image will be whatever the corporatist press wills it.

If you want any luck, you're better off entering the Occupy the Fed movement.

You sound like the liberal media arm with regards to the Tea Party.

Don't discount them yet, from what I can tell, they're sticking to their leaderless movement principle.

The more people scream "liberal shills!" the more it's likely to happen. Have you actually been to one of these yet?
Please look at the tea party today and tell me it hasn't been taken over by the mainstream establishment.

Of course it has, but I don't see any indication that something similar has happened to OWS (yet). Yes, they've received some media (not much) and union support, but like I said, from what I've seen, they're sticking to the ideal of a leaderless movement.

Which seems like a good selling point for our (yours and mine) ideas. If they can organize themselves without leaders, why do they need to appoint leaders to fix the problems they see in the world?
All I have seen from the media so far is twisting it into their constituents direction. I haven't seen them cover the movement as it truly is: leaderless and diverse.
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October 12, 2011, 06:17:12 PM
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For the same reason as everyone else here: you saw dollar signs.  That's why you're despondent about the low "value" of BTC in dollars: you want more dollars.


Dollars are nice but all I want in the end is liberty.
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October 12, 2011, 06:18:42 PM
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Amsterdam and The Hague will hear about Bitcoin.
I've seen some enthusiastic bitcoin people there.

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October 12, 2011, 06:21:41 PM
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Couldn't you guys have chosen another thread to dump your conspiracies/FUD in? I was actually looking for constructive debate on a specific issue as posted in the OP.

Does anyone have tips on how to best communicate bitcoin when talking to occupy protesters?

I advocate calmly using Bitcoin in support of the efforts and making known in a simple and straightforward manner how it was used.  E.g.,

  "$524.89 of funding was made possible in spite of the PayPal block using the P2P currency system 'Bitcoin.'"

Period.  If the currency cannot be used in a tangible and construtive way in this effort, that might explain why it is having some trouble gaining traction rather than the general retardation of non-believers which is so often used as a scapegoat.

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October 12, 2011, 06:22:24 PM
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We have a bitcoin presence at many of the occupy rallies around the U.S. and world. FeedTheProtest and others are accepting BTC donations. Are we sure it is not getting attention?

The gospel according to Satoshi - https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Free bitcoin=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1610684
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October 12, 2011, 06:23:13 PM
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Couldn't you guys have chosen another thread to dump your conspiracies/FUD in? I was actually looking for constructive debate on a specific issue as posted in the OP.

Does anyone have tips on how to best communicate bitcoin when talking to occupy protesters?

I tried but they are the absolute definition of MTV Generation.
Package your ideas up in a socialist/communistic wrapping, and they might listen.

It truly is-
"I am pissed and lazy, and I am certain I will never contribute or amount to anything significant. So give me something."

I don't even have the words for how disappointed I am in those people.



Do you have an example of how you would package it up in socialist wrappings? But you are right, they are people who want stuff from others, so i think the idea in operationbitcoin.org of handing out free bitcoins is really good.
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October 12, 2011, 06:23:39 PM
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All I have seen from the media so far is twisting it into their constituents direction. I haven't seen them cover the movement as it truly is: leaderless and diverse.

DUH. It's the media. There's your problem. Go see it for yourself.
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October 12, 2011, 06:38:01 PM
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All I have seen from the media so far is twisting it into their constituents direction. I haven't seen them cover the movement as it truly is: leaderless and diverse.

DUH. It's the media. There's your problem. Go see it for yourself.
The problem is the majority of the population is never going to see it for themselves.
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October 12, 2011, 07:28:22 PM
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All I have seen from the media so far is twisting it into their constituents direction. I haven't seen them cover the movement as it truly is: leaderless and diverse.

DUH. It's the media. There's your problem. Go see it for yourself.
The problem is the majority of the population is never going to see it for themselves.
I disagree. And it's is still not a mark against OWS.
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October 12, 2011, 08:24:20 PM
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anyone work up a decent flier on bitcoin for these people? I'm thinking of handing them out at the occupy richmond thing going on this weekend.

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