Count down to Iran invasion

[P4man]

I don't believe Iran will give up on the bomb. 

And you have better sources than the FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, CGI, INSCOM and a dozen other US security agencies.. combined? Because they unanimously stated they are pretty damn sure Iran has given up their nuclear weapons program last decade - if ever there was one, they arent nearly as sure of that. But you know better?

Its got proven oil and gas resources that mean it will always be a target for foreign takeovers and the lesson of Iraq and North Korea is that having a nuke means no risk of invasion. 

So you say Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrein,  Canada and Nigeria are all developing nukes?  Or whats different about Iran?

The NPT is not going to stop it.

Yes, it does. Or more accurately, it detects it years before it could ever produce a bomb. Its not very hard to detect uranium thats enriched beyond whats needed for fuel when you have full access to all nuclear installations. You dont make bomb grade uranium in a shed behind your house. No signatory to the NPT has ever in secret produced nuclear weapons, and its not very likely to ever happen.

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[Hawker]

We'll just have to see

[brunoshady]

If they don't stop their nuclear thing they will probably just be wiped out

[Hawker]

If they don't stop their nuclear thing they will probably just be wiped out

Iran has a population of about 80 million.  Its not a democracy - the regime has the Iranian population much the same way a sheep farmer has sheep.  Wiping them out would be genocide and, as a practical matter, would be very difficult. 

[molecular]

If they don't stop their nuclear thing they will probably just be wiped out

Iran has a population of about 80 million.  Its not a democracy - the regime has the Iranian population much the same way a sheep farmer has sheep.  Wiping them out would be genocide and, as a practical matter, would be very difficult. 

You're probably not implying that it would be less difficult and/or less genocidal to "wipe them out" if Iran was indeed a democracy, are you?

[P4man]

I think he is implying its okay to wipe out a democracy because then its the people's fault for believing they have sovereign rights.  When its a dictatorship or theocracy you do the same thing, but you have to call it differently, you call it "liberation".

[Hawker]

If they don't stop their nuclear thing they will probably just be wiped out

Iran has a population of about 80 million.  Its not a democracy - the regime has the Iranian population much the same way a sheep farmer has sheep.  Wiping them out would be genocide and, as a practical matter, would be very difficult. 

You're probably not implying that it would be less difficult and/or less genocidal to "wipe them out" if Iran was indeed a democracy, are you?

I'm implying that even if you disagree violently with the Iranian regime, you have no quarrel with the population of Iran.  I'm also implying that if you still insist on going to war, that killing all those people will be a war crime.  Finally I imply that it won't be a turkey shoot - you need to be prepared to lose a lot of your own people in your quest to kill Iranians if that is really what you want.

The funny thing here is that you could just read the sentence I wrote and take it at face value.  The implied meaning is the same as the literal meaning

[molecular]

I'm implying that even if you disagree violently with the Iranian regime, you have no quarrel with the population of Iran.  I'm also implying that if you still insist on going to war, that killing all those people will be a war crime.  Finally I imply that it won't be a turkey shoot - you need to be prepared to lose a lot of your own people in your quest to kill Iranians if that is really what you want.

I agree with that.

I actually think we should be as friendly as possible to the Iranians (people and regime).

As a citizen of Europe I feel ashamed for the sanctions (oil, financial, trade) we impose. It's clear they are not going to have a positive effect. They will have a negative one on Europes economy and standing in the world. They will also have a negative effect on the USD and EUR (because alternative currencies and gold are now being used to trade with Iran). This last effect I like a lot (not because I hold any amounts of metal worth mentioning, but because I want monetary reform, the sooner the better).

[P4man]

Iran has already called our bluff by stopping oil exports to the EU well before the sanctions were supposed to be activated. Quite clever really, and completely reasonable. Now we will have to buy (Iranian) oil from the Chinese for more money. The Iranians and Chinese are laughing all the way to the bank.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010172771

[molecular]

Iran has already called our bluff by stopping oil exports to the EU well before the sanctions were supposed to be activated. Quite clever really, and completely reasonable. Now we will have to buy (Iranian) oil from the Chinese for more money. The Iranians and Chinese are laughing all the way to the bank.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010172771

"The bill has 4 articles, including one which states that the Islamic Republic of Iran will cut all oil exports to the European states until they end their oil sanctions against the country,"

hahahaha, "Counter-sanctions", so to speak. Awesome.

oh the foolishness of european politicians.

[TECSHARE]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/third-aircraft-carrier-group-coming-iran

[goxed]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9058443/Panetta-believes-Israel-may-strike-Iran-this-spring.html

[farfiman]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9058443/Panetta-believes-Israel-may-strike-Iran-this-spring.html

Everybody is using Israel as the " crazy attack dog that they can't hold back " card.

I'm not saying it's not possible that Israel will do it ( they have in the past) but this time around
it's much more complicated and Iran as much stronger than Iraq and Syria.

[Hawker]

Israel doesn't trust Obama to back a unilateral attack.  It won't act alone - any attack it makes would be an American attack.

[Automagic]

I think the irony is that even if Iran quit their nuclear program some time ago as certain intelligence agencies have suggested, they are likely to start it up again if the US and Europe remain belligerent. The Iranians are smart enough to learn the lesson of Iraq and Afghanistan versus North Korea.  Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[goxed]

Things flaring up in India now!

Israel embassy car blast: Indian intelligence hints at Iran's hand

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Israel-embassy-car-blast-Indian-intelligence-hints-at-Irans-hand/articleshow/11878760.cms

[memvola]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Israel-embassy-car-blast-Indian-intelligence-hints-at-Irans-hand/articleshow/11878760.cms

Indian intelligence hints at Iran's hand

Indian authorities remained tight-lipped about the source of the attack.

So they declare, from now on, any magnetic bombs used for such attacks are delivered by the Iranian regime. Those poor Islamic Republicans and their lack of imagination... I tell them, use normal bomb, they say nooo, fucking magnets, they work.

Is it plausible for Iran to have a nuclear weapons program anyway? Really?

[Hawker]

It does look like "tit for tat."  Israel used magnetic bombs to kill uniquely skilled Iranian nuclear scientists.  Iran used magnetic bombs to injure Israeli tourist officials.

Something tells me the Israelis will not be too discouraged by these terms of trade

[bombshelterzero]

Wow conspiracy nuts are out in force today.

Is the invasion of Iran being orchestrated by the Bilderberg or the Freemasons?

Your complete lack of historical knowledge does not make me a conspiracy nut. In fact it just makes you a poorly educated person with nothing to say, so in order to feel like you can hang, you have to resort to petty personal attacks because that is all you can handle.

well said comrade

[Hawker]

Wow conspiracy nuts are out in force today.

Is the invasion of Iran being orchestrated by the Bilderberg or the Freemasons?

Your complete lack of historical knowledge does not make me a conspiracy nut. In fact it just makes you a poorly educated person with nothing to say, so in order to feel like you can hang, you have to resort to petty personal attacks because that is all you can handle.

well said comrade

Is the "comrade" a suggestion you think TECSHARE is a commie?  I very much doubt it.