Count down to Iran invasion

[TECSHARE]

The US exported $8,760,000,000 worth of military equipment last year. This is compared to the $10+ billion worth of military-grade soybeans exported to China alone. The US truly is an exporter of death and destruction, but mostly soybeans.

Does that include military equipment that explodes on delivery?

No, it doesn't. Those soybeans however are deadly.

Yes that joke was especially funny the second time. World war is hilarious.


You seem unwilling to understand government is a host being hollowed out by private interests. The GOVERNMENT doesn't need to profit, the government needs to spend (on behalf of the taxpayers). A select few in the BANKING AND FINANCIAL systems are sitting back and watching everyone rip each other apart and profiting from every link in the chain. They are trying to put you in debt to build a global prison, both of which you can never escape. I am sure you think this is quite unreasonable and fantastical, but the noose is already being slipped around your neck. When the rest of the world has finally had enough, the US will end up like Germany after WW3 hollowed out and broken, shamed in front of the world, having our assets stripped and future earnings taken from our children for reparations to countries we harmed and debts these wars created.

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[xkeyscore89]

Israel will make the first move.

[nlovric]

Has anyone here ever read Niccolò Machiavellis' Il Principe?

Conquering a republic – including an Islamic one – is very difficult and requires eliminating a large part of the populace before the entire populace is driven into compliance by fear of poverty, torture, death, and/or similar. Considering that presidential elections have recently been held in the Islamic Republic of Iran, the majority of the people of that state would very eagerly – and due to government propaganda more probably fanatically – as in holy war – fight any invading force – even the ones who voted for some other candidate.

One should understand that they are relatively the same type of democracy as e. g. the United States of America (USA). In the Islamic Republic of Iran, certain parties – I don't know which – are banned. In the United States of America (USA), certain parties – e. g. Communist Party USA – were persecuted and/or are banned. In the Islamic Republic of Iran, the repression is presently official and transparent; in the United States of America (USA), it is covert and subtle. In all actuality, there is true freedom in neither. They would defend their state less than the people of the United States of America (USA), but sufficiently to resist an invading force.

Note that the Iranian Revolution occurred due to the 1953 coup d'état – orchestrated by the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS) of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) of the United States of America (USA) – which overthrew the democratically-elected prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh.

I am sure the people of the Islamic Republic of Iran prefer structures within their own society repressing them rather than the people of the United States of America (USA) repressing plus exploiting them. Motto: I am an American; I've come to (en)s(l)ave you! One "might be surprised", but I bet the average Iranian is able to think with their pocket as much as an American.

The Islamic Republic of Iran can only be transformed into a pro-Iranian non-Islamic state without eliminating a large part of the population. That – of course – would not achieve the economic goals of the United States of America (USA) and would place the situation back into 1951 – when Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected. This can be achieved by eliminating all Islamists. However, it is still questionable how Iranian non-Islamists would react to their Islamist citizens – a large part of the population, if not even the majority – being slaughtered by an invading force, especially considering that their Islamic views may be liberal, but not non-existent.

As for their relations with the Republic of Israel… well, many countries traditionally hate each other. Of course, the situation between the Republic of Israel and the Islamic Republic of Iran is due to religious bias of both parties plus the current repression and enslavement of the Republic of Palestine by the Republic of Israel. Note that the two territories were separated by the United Nations in 1948, but both parties wanted their own state ruling both territories, which resulted in multiple wars.

[jago25_98]

OK folks. Looking at the news it looks like Iran is conquered now.

So, how can we intimidate benefit from this? Any investment tips which match up with Iran getting back on track now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran_Stock_Exchange#Exemptions
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=IRR&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=XAU&to=IRR&view=10Y

This has been really interesting:
- they pay (paid) less tax than us
- they had less inflation than us (before sanctions)
- Tehran stock exchange was doing extremely well before sanctions
- massive spike loss in value on
- I can see USD:IRR price charted in some places but also read in other that USA tried to stop IRR use

[Kyle91]

Yeah right, Iran always says this mumbo jumbo bullshit always saying that they're planning an attack on the U.S but nothing ever happens. Bunch of pussies 

[nlovric]

Yeah right, Iran always says this mumbo jumbo bullshit always saying that they're planning an attack on the U.S but nothing ever happens. Bunch of pussies 

When did they say such a thing?

It seems to me it's quite the opposite: The Yankees – you Yankees? – are saying they're planning an attack – hey, man, read the topic! – and nothing has happened, yet.

Also, the Yankees – you Yankees? – haven't attacked any country recently. Are you getting soft or something?

[Kluge]

Yeah right, Iran always says this mumbo jumbo bullshit always saying that they're planning an attack on the U.S but nothing ever happens. Bunch of pussies 

When did they say such a thing?

It seems to me it's quite the opposite: The Yankees – you Yankees? – are saying they're planning an attack – hey, man, read the topic! – and nothing has happened, yet.

Also, the Yankees – you Yankees? – haven't attacked any country recently. Are you getting soft or something?

We shoot chunks out of Libyans while we wipe our eyes after waking up.

We start to stretch, and a dozen more Iraqi children have been born with lethal deformities from depleted uranium munitions.

By the time we're done with our stretches, we've already killed a dozen Pakastani children by dropping wooden boxes full of Coalition propaganda without functional parachutes.

We head to the bathroom, and we shit out the dead Pakastani children onto Kim Il Whatever's face.

We take our shower and piss on the Afghanis.

We dry ourselves off just so it hurts more when we skull-fuck the Sudanese.

We have battalions ready to shit down your throat whether you live in India, Colombia, Georgia, Poland, France, or Saudi Arabia before we sit down to our first fucking bowl of cereal! You think we're soft?! We'll grind your fucking bones up, mix it in with HFCS, and force-feed it to your mourning family at your fucking funeral before we rape and murder the lot of them! So if you would kindly shut the fuck up, MAYBE... we'll be able... to calm the fuck down.

[J603]

The US exported $8,760,000,000 worth of military equipment last year. This is compared to the $10+ billion worth of military-grade soybeans exported to China alone. The US truly is an exporter of death and destruction, but mostly soybeans.

Does that include military equipment that explodes on delivery?

No, it doesn't. Those soybeans however are deadly.

Yes that joke was especially funny the second time. World war is hilarious.


You seem unwilling to understand government is a host being hollowed out by private interests. The GOVERNMENT doesn't need to profit, the government needs to spend (on behalf of the taxpayers). A select few in the BANKING AND FINANCIAL systems are sitting back and watching everyone rip each other apart and profiting from every link in the chain. They are trying to put you in debt to build a global prison, both of which you can never escape. I am sure you think this is quite unreasonable and fantastical, but the noose is already being slipped around your neck. When the rest of the world has finally had enough, the US will end up like Germany after WW3 hollowed out and broken, shamed in front of the world, having our assets stripped and future earnings taken from our children for reparations to countries we harmed and debts these wars created.

Your conspiracy theories about how banks control the world and about how "the man" is going to get us is not evidence. You necroed this post just to bring up the same evidence you had years ago, which is nothing. I have not only proven that a war with Iran makes no sense, but I have also proven that the US is no more a warmonger than any other country.

Also, how do the banks profit from the US' demise? Did the Weimar Republic's banks benefit from WWI?

[Bitware]

Your conspiracy theories about how banks control the world and about how "the man" is going to get us is not evidence. You necroed this post just to bring up the same evidence you had years ago, which is nothing. I have not only proven that a war with Iran makes no sense, but I have also proven that the US is no more a warmonger than any other country.

Also, how do the banks profit from the US' demise? Did the Weimar Republic's banks benefit from WWI?

The allies were hit with demands from the bankers who funded Germany. That is the rule in warfare. The winner pays the bills of the loser, else the banks will fund their destruction as well, just as Rothschild did for England and France which ended at Waterloo, where Rothschild manipulated the market with the first intelligence of the battle outcome from his network of spies. You see, the banks funded both England and France, but they funded England more so they had a better chance of winning. In weimar/germany, the allies needed to recoup because they were already poor from depression and war, so we overtook all industry, forcing massive taxation and inflation. Took wheelbarrow-fulls of cash to buy a meal. People would get paid at lunch and take off work immediately to spend it all because the value of their paper was decreasing exponentially, daily.

The german banks benefited by being the conduits that wealth flowed through back to the bankers who funded the loans for the war, which the allies were not responsible for, plus all that nice juicy high interest on the loan (25%-35%).

Thats the basic cribnotes version, but the same thing happened many times before then, and still does to this very day. Heck, its how cash we have in our pockets is created, but instead of a loan for war, its a treasury bond - a loan on the full faith and credit of the nation wanting to print it.

[J603]

Your conspiracy theories about how banks control the world and about how "the man" is going to get us is not evidence. You necroed this post just to bring up the same evidence you had years ago, which is nothing. I have not only proven that a war with Iran makes no sense, but I have also proven that the US is no more a warmonger than any other country.

Also, how do the banks profit from the US' demise? Did the Weimar Republic's banks benefit from WWI?

The allies were hit with demands from the bankers who funded Germany. That is the rule in warfare. The winner pays the bills of the loser, else the banks will fund their destruction as well, just as Rothschild did for England and France which ended at Waterloo, where Rothschild manipulated the market with the first intelligence of the battle outcome from his network of spies. You see, the banks funded both England and France, but they funded England more so they had a better chance of winning. In weimar/germany, the allies needed to recoup because they were already poor from depression and war, so we overtook all industry, forcing massive taxation and inflation. Took wheelbarrow-fulls of cash to buy a meal. People would get paid at lunch and take off work immediately to spend it all because the value of their paper was decreasing exponentially, daily.

The german banks benefited by being the conduits that wealth flowed through back to the bankers who funded the loans for the war, which the allies were not responsible for, plus all that nice juicy high interest on the loan (25%-35%).

Thats the basic cribnotes version, but the same thing happened many times before then, and still does to this very day. Heck, its how cash we have in our pockets is created, but instead of a loan for war, its a treasury bond - a loan on the full faith and credit of the nation wanting to print it.

Here's what I know of the war and the aftermath:

The German banks gave out a ton of loans during the war to pay for weapons and such. The government did not tax the people very much extra during the war because they believed that they would win in the end, and that they could get reparations from the Triple Entente when the war was over.

Of course, even if militarily the Germans were winning, they conceded to the Entente and thus had to pay reparations. This caused those loans to backfire, because they were so excessive that the people could not afford to pay both the Entente and the banks.* The Germans had been relying on their victory, which while stupid, is to be expected as they had won on the eastern front and were "winning" on the western as well.

*Now, there's debate on whether or not Germany could actually pay back these loans. The Entente gave three categories for repayment: A, B, and C. C by far had the most money owed, but it didn't matter because the Entente did not expect the Germans to be able to repay it. It was more propaganda for the French public. A and B were a combined total of 50 million marks, 1 million less than what Germany had wanted to pay. With the loans there is an extra burden, but it should not have been as hard as the Germans made it be.

Germany refused to have high taxes on its people (due to the people and the government's refusal to believe that they lost), and for the most part, was paying its reparations (while industry increased, even under occupation) until 1922, when the French pulled out of Dusseldorf. With no incentive to keep paying, Germany defaulted on reparations or simply paid less, causing the value of the mark to plummet as Germany's credit took a hit.

The hyperinflation still had not taken effect, although it was in the works. Instead, it was the occupation of the Ruhr which caused Germany to not care, and the government began printing money to pay off of the "expenses" of the occupation (even though there was barely a change in profits).

Germany never repaid those reparations until fairly recently (they paid back WWII reparations before WWI reparations) so it's safe to say that those banks did not get their money back.

TL;DR

-German banks make loan
-People default/can't pay
-German government screws the mark
-German banks lose

Also, when you say "Allies" do you mean the Triple Alliance? Or are you referring to the Entente by the name they would have in WWII?

[Bitware]

Your conspiracy theories about how banks control the world and about how "the man" is going to get us is not evidence. You necroed this post just to bring up the same evidence you had years ago, which is nothing. I have not only proven that a war with Iran makes no sense, but I have also proven that the US is no more a warmonger than any other country.

Also, how do the banks profit from the US' demise? Did the Weimar Republic's banks benefit from WWI?

The allies were hit with demands from the bankers who funded Germany. That is the rule in warfare. The winner pays the bills of the loser, else the banks will fund their destruction as well, just as Rothschild did for England and France which ended at Waterloo, where Rothschild manipulated the market with the first intelligence of the battle outcome from his network of spies. You see, the banks funded both England and France, but they funded England more so they had a better chance of winning. In weimar/germany, the allies needed to recoup because they were already poor from depression and war, so we overtook all industry, forcing massive taxation and inflation. Took wheelbarrow-fulls of cash to buy a meal. People would get paid at lunch and take off work immediately to spend it all because the value of their paper was decreasing exponentially, daily.

The german banks benefited by being the conduits that wealth flowed through back to the bankers who funded the loans for the war, which the allies were not responsible for, plus all that nice juicy high interest on the loan (25%-35%).

Thats the basic cribnotes version, but the same thing happened many times before then, and still does to this very day. Heck, its how cash we have in our pockets is created, but instead of a loan for war, its a treasury bond - a loan on the full faith and credit of the nation wanting to print it.

Here's what I know of the war and the aftermath:

The German banks gave out a ton of loans during the war to pay for weapons and such. The government did not tax the people very much extra during the war because they believed that they would win in the end, and that they could get reparations from the Triple Entente when the war was over.

Of course, even if militarily the Germans were winning, they conceded to the Entente and thus had to pay reparations. This caused those loans to backfire, because they were so excessive that the people could not afford to pay both the Entente and the banks.* The Germans had been relying on their victory, which while stupid, is to be expected as they had won on the eastern front and were "winning" on the western as well.

*Now, there's debate on whether or not Germany could actually pay back these loans. The Entente gave three categories for repayment: A, B, and C. C by far had the most money owed, but it didn't matter because the Entente did not expect the Germans to be able to repay it. It was more propaganda for the French public. A and B were a combined total of 50 million marks, 1 million less than what Germany had wanted to pay. With the loans there is an extra burden, but it should not have been as hard as the Germans made it be.

Germany refused to have high taxes on its people (due to the people and the government's refusal to believe that they lost), and for the most part, was paying its reparations (while industry increased, even under occupation) until 1922, when the French pulled out of Dusseldorf. With no incentive to keep paying, Germany defaulted on reparations or simply paid less, causing the value of the mark to plummet as Germany's credit took a hit.

The hyperinflation still had not taken effect, although it was in the works. Instead, it was the occupation of the Ruhr which caused Germany to not care, and the government began printing money to pay off of the "expenses" of the occupation (even though there was barely a change in profits).

Germany never repaid those reparations until fairly recently (they paid back WWII reparations before WWI reparations) so it's safe to say that those banks did not get their money back.

TL;DR

-German banks make loan
-People default/can't pay
-German government screws the mark
-German banks lose

Also, when you say "Allies" do you mean the Triple Alliance? Or are you referring to the Entente by the name they would have in WWII?

You have to understand the differences between the connected cabal of international bankers and all other banks. Not all banks are the same.

Imagine if you opened tons of banks in every nation to compete against their small private banks. You have a worldwide network and they just have themselves, plus you have more resources to lobby legislators to pen-in the laws your people wrote that gives you loopholes to hop through.

[jago25_98]

Bit disappointed the way I suggested profit out of the news and everybody ignored it and starting moaning politics again

[TECSHARE]

Bit disappointed the way I suggested profit out of the news and everybody ignored it and starting moaning politics again

Maybe not all of us are willing to be vultures picking at the bones of a nation.

[jago25_98]

Bit disappointed the way I suggested profit out of the news and everybody ignored it and starting moaning politics again

Maybe not all of us are willing to be vultures picking at the bones of a nation.

? Other way round. If you're betting on peace you can invest in Iran which is a very positive thing.

If you were to be betting on war then you'd be buying arms stocks.

[TECSHARE]

Bit disappointed the way I suggested profit out of the news and everybody ignored it and starting moaning politics again

Maybe not all of us are willing to be vultures picking at the bones of a nation.

? Other way round. If you're betting on peace you can invest in Iran which is a very positive thing.

If you were to be betting on war then you'd be buying arms stocks.

Investing in Iran is illegal in may parts of the world due to trade sanctions. Try again.

[jago25_98]

Bit disappointed the way I suggested profit out of the news and everybody ignored it and starting moaning politics again

Maybe not all of us are willing to be vultures picking at the bones of a nation.

? Other way round. If you're betting on peace you can invest in Iran which is a very positive thing.

If you were to be betting on war then you'd be buying arms stocks.

Investing in Iran is illegal in may parts of the world due to trade sanctions. Try again.

You don't deserve my help. The sanctions will soon be lifted and those who could see this will profit.

[J603]

Bit disappointed the way I suggested profit out of the news and everybody ignored it and starting moaning politics again

Maybe not all of us are willing to be vultures picking at the bones of a nation.

? Other way round. If you're betting on peace you can invest in Iran which is a very positive thing.

If you were to be betting on war then you'd be buying arms stocks.

Investing in Iran is illegal in may parts of the world due to trade sanctions. Try again.

You don't deserve my help. The sanctions will soon be lifted and those who could see this will profit.

The sanctions will only be lifted when Iran completely changes its political structure.

In that case, if sanctions are lifted you would not be investing in the same Iran that you would be if you managed to invest in it now. That means that all of the businesses you invested in will radically change as well.

[Elwar]

an attack is now imminent within the next few weeks.

Define...few

[J603]

an attack is now imminent within the next few weeks.

Define...few

A few hundred maybe?

[jago25_98]

OK I've found a way to do it - short oil.