RED Trust...is it enough for fraudulent work ???

[mdayonliner]

I don't know how many times we will need to talk about all these... LOL

Anyway...

If you break forum rules then you should get warned (red tag) it does not matter if you have 1000 merits or you are a legendary member or even admin. Rules are rules. However, a defaulter should have enough rights to explain his reasons. If the reasons are not satisfactory then don't remove the red.

So, here we are talking about mistakes and explanation. The accuracy of the explanation (perhaps the level of satisfactory). In other words, people can make mistakes and give them chance/s if they made the mistake unintentionally which they did not mean to.

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So you agree that this account should have been negative tagged long time ago https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4487800.msg40471597#msg40471597 , from its early days http://archive.is/Hkkow#selection-2781.0-2781.235 ?

You are talking about the posts I made very early days in my BitcoinTalk forum life. I remember I was even putting referral links under most of my posts those times. I was banned three times: 1 day, 7 days and then 14 days one I guess.

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Merit beggar:



Reference link is pointing to post which was edited the same day:

I sent PM to Lutpin 2 times but not yet a single word from him...

Hi mate,
I am writing you about the neutral tag you made.


I Understand your point of view. I may did the same thing until I had a clear explanation before removing it.

Seems like very early days mistake (February 02, 2018: Merit introduced on 25th means after only 8 days), I did not have any idea what I was doing here. I may have few more shit posts like this until I realized the value of the forum and started studying the forum and engaging with the community.

I have deleted the red marked part however for your reference here I have kept an archive.is copy. I am trying to be brutally honest, if you find any more this kind of stuffs then fee free to PM me if possible, I will remove it. Looking at my post history page, it's really hard for me to find these kind of posts (if I made any) to remove them.

I hope you understand and remove the neutral tag if possible.

Regards,

Hi mate,
It's been 10 days I still have not heard anything from you. I am quoting the same message I sent you last time and the important part with the bold font.

The link on the quote is not working however I found a copy here: http://archive.is/xpUJT#selection-5465.0-5465.50
A screenshot if the url is still missing

You tried to find a clue from the last edit date and time but notice I even intentionally kept the evidence for reference...

I have deleted the red marked part however for your reference here I have kept an archive.is copy.

Why did I do that when I could delete the reference? Because, I genuinely wanted to be very honest with my mistake. We never know an evidence could be useful for anything so it's not ok to destroy it, even if someone use it against me.

I tagged people for begging/abusing merit but the moment they admitted their mistakes I removed the tag. No one is perfect we all do mistakes and mistakes should be forgivable unless someone do the same mistake again and don't try to correct it.
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1) breaking forum rules

Answered above

2) begging for merit

Answered above

3) exchanging merit between family members

Seriously! I already answered and explained it nicely... Here also even I expressed my regret here(again link is not working however here is a working one see the screenshot if you are still missing the link) when I created my Full member celebration topic which I archived but somehow it's not showing there.

4) advertising refshare schemes

If someone do an on forum bad act (breaking rules) which is confirmed, then tag them but it's too much when you tag someone because you think this could lead to that. The experience you have had and the experience others have are not same besides just because you are a DT does not mean that you are a mind reader.

Side note: Looking at the time difference, it can easily be assumed that my past work (good or bad whatever, let's not judge it yet) has nothing to do with the forum lifetime. Or does it?

By the way the full explanation is on several posts of the investigation topic especially on this and this post. I am really sick and tired of this whole MLM made up thing that I promoted them on the forum (This is a complete lie, I never promoted any of them on the forum, those businesses were even gone long ago when I joined the forum). in fact, those businesses were not even MLM, they were revshare model. I was doing affiliate marketing as an independent affiliate. Can you guys give me a break in it?

5) offering to escrow more than $100,000

marlboroza, I already gave you an explanation when you asked me on PM. Have you found them unreal or not factual? I also PMed hilary twice so far ... no response yet? May be I will show you guys the PMs some day. Besides you will find some explanation on this topic. Here is another one explaining the timing of the red tag and the withdrawing my interest from the topic.

Let me edit this one a bit...

A confirmed rule breaker (who is knowingly breaking the rules even after giving him the space to learn and to fix it) should defiantly get red tag, does not matter if he has 1000 merits and even a Legend. And in it I do not see any spoiling on the forum fame.

Look marlboroza, when people get treated as if they can not make any mistake (it's not possible right?); when they gently admit a mistake and ask for review but the other person do not even response (forget about review) then they realize they have been thrown away like a trash can. It's not nice feeling.

Wear my shoes for once and then criticize the red tag. None of you can say for sure that I could walk away with those 20BTC, the future only would know if I actually was given the 20BTC to hold. You can only assume from your past experience.  On the forum lifetime if I had scammed anyone (you don't have to believe me however I know that I never scammed or even wanted a bad deed for anyone knowingly for my entire life or since I started learning to value others. It's in between me and myself.) then I would know that my actions were justified with a red trust. Do you consider me not a part of the community? Am I out of the herd?

I may not have very high trust like theymos, OgNasty, hilariousandco,  Lutpin, zazarb, SFR10, DarkStar_, bL4nkcode etc however I have a decent reputation which I care a lot. Money can not buy the reputation, the honour so far I received from the members...

Other helpful users are TMAN, iasenko, mdayonliner, hugeblack, Lauda, etc.
You can use the forum search function to find their topics and threads, then learn from them.

Instead of focusing on joining bounties, you should stop doing this and spend your time to find helpful topics, threads from Jet Cash, iasenko, mdayonliner, TMAN, etc.
Learn from them, apply their tutorials, then compose your better threads. Eventually, merits will come someday.

Instead, I recommend you to find prestigous guys in the forum and their invaluable, helpful topics. Someone like Jet Cash, TMAN, The Pharmacist, Lauda, iasenko, mdayonliner, hugeblack, etc.
You can learn bunches of amazing things from them.

I have plenty of respect for about 20 maybe 50 people total on this forum and you're actually one of them.

There are many more good stuffs I can bring which makes me feel better, these reflect my reputations. The honour I receive from the members drives me to devote my time for the forum and the community. One can not just buy it with money. I do not know about you lot but for me these worth more than anything else. The money is just a tool for me, it simply does not define me who I am.

PS: Vod, hilariousandco, you and The Pharmacist are the four DTs who I see (no offence to others by the way, may be you guys are more active but I may missed it) very often doing the job actively. LoyceV is another one but she is not actively tagging others. Among all of you I find you and LoyceV are publicly giving people enough space to fix their mistakes. People actually need to have their chances to fix their errors. No one is 100% clean and perfect.

It's time for me to have a dinner but before I go, I would like to thank you marlboroza to give me the chance to clear up my chest. I really needed to take it out. Also, thank you everyone who supports my work, appreciate my contribution to the forum, offer me their helping hands when I need them, care to warn me when they see I may get into trouble and all sorts of good stuffs.

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[marlboroza]

I am really sick and tired of this whole MLM made up thing that I promoted them on the forum (This is a complete lie, I never promoted any of them on the forum, those businesses were even gone long ago when I joined the forum)[/b]. in fact, those businesses were not even MLM, they were revshare model. I was doing affiliate marketing as an independent affiliate.

Any of them    Location is irrelevant.
Quoted for reference and archived http://archive.is/bzAV6

[mdayonliner]

Any of them    Location is irrelevant.

And how about the time?

Looking at the time difference, it can easily be assumed that my past work (good or bad whatever, let's not judge it yet) has nothing to do with the forum lifetime. Or does it?

Everything was started from here when I suspected a merit abusing in between xtraelv and Lafu. Things could really ended up nicely if I could get a good constructive response of this post which was made in response of his earlier two posts in a row 1, 2. Please see footnote below for the timestamps^{^} of these posts.

xtraelv wanted to hurt me with his words, he wanted to humiliate me very badly to the community also with whatever possibly he can. I never wanted to bring anyone's reference without their permission but seems like I will need to do this shameful act just to prove that how desperate he was to make me guilty by any means... May be some of these evidence will speak for me or may be not but I feel I need to.

I thought posting personal information was against the rules around here and grounds for a ban. It screams "childish" whenever I see someone furiously googling away so they can publish personal information, addresses, phone numbers, pictures and the rest of it....

...all because you received a feedback rating that you disagree with. I have no idea how you deal with people in the real world, because this tactic wouldn't work. Do you just show up at people's work place and show off their most recent tweets? Not only is the "Scam accusation" without validity, but your course of action makes you the bad guy, here...

...the intentions you clearly have behind posting it are disgusting.

acting maliciously and pedantic

You do not understand the terms "Extortion" or "Blackmail". The point of their "Apology" thread clearly went over your head in the first place.

...more relevant are the actions that lead to your negative in the first place, not the offer to make amends.

I would encourage you not to play petty games with the person you are attempting to make a scam accusation against. If they challenge you to other nonsensical mundane tasks would you be interested in doing those as well?

I probably have some dead links to ponzi scams out there that tricked me into thinking they were legitimate companies. This is not conclusive that they were knowingly promoting a ponzi or scam. Sometimes you just don't know any better and get taken for a ride. We live and we learn.

Was he running a ponzi scam? It sounds more like he was trying to make some goofy marketing opportunity work and it turned out to not be all that he bargained for. I'm not defending their actions, but based on the evidence you've presented I don't see much to suggest malice or intent.

Thanks Bill

Stop using these two words every time someone gives you a timeline to correct something. Neither word is applicable here. Overly-sensitive humans.

The third post, aka poisoning the well, is unnecessary and actually makes your case weaker.

Thanks Lauda

OP, you're complaining about untrusted feedback... there is nothing to blackmail you with.

Thanks suchmoon

This isn't truly extortion or blackmail here, as has been mentioned...

Thanks The Pharmacist

You seem to be a real ignoramus when it comes to acting as Sherlock....

....Bloody hell, you could pass for the forum’s Torquemada and burn on the stakes most of the users, since many have at least sent and received from the same person a few measly merits to overtime.
Me and Tman, Me and Jet Cash, Me and Theymos, and a long list of other members  are all relatives or alts according to your basic criteria....

....You’ve even got the proof images wrong, with repeated data on them. Just goes to show....

....You are a flagrant case of a merit witch hunter for merits, which is fine by me, but as long as you get solid proof.

The now personal vendetta you have with other forum members should stay between you.

Thanks DdmrDdmr

And this was a private message...

Hi, my friend,

Who is this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4104852.msg38105233#msg38105233 ?

You can have mine "The Resilient" my friend.

To defend theyoungmillionaire my response to xtraelv was ...

xtraelv, use search option and find related topics about your concern. If my memory serves me right then we already have a topic where we talked about plagiarism and citing. Don't ask question here and there which makes you sounding stupid. Please back off!

These people proved themselves to the community, they care about the community. They are not shamelessly using bitcoinTalk and its resources to promote some shitty/shady exchange.

You have problem with me not with others. Deal with me! Let them enjoy on what they are good at.

Now at this point I have two red trusts - one from you and another from hilariousandco which indeed proves that xtraelv successfully humiliated me to the community because I made him upset and so mad with the red trust (which I replaced later with a neutral by the way) I left for him for suspicious merit exchanging with his friend.

By the way, I have few questions for you to ask which I may ask later or I will just let it go, just not sure at this point.

^{^}:

Deleting/editing entire or even a part of a post could mislead/confuse the users once you already have another posts under your post. You can edit/update your post without reference until a new post someone else made under your post.

Bad for me that I can not even bring everything in a logical order because he has done the edit/update on almost all of his posts so many times that anyone who will go through the posts they will hardly find he was talking nonsense at that time when all those bullshits were very highly tensed.
Very early post 1:

Post 2:

My very early response

Also please go through the timestamps of all of his activities on this and this topic. My responses also had edit/updates but I left enough update notes, used Strikethrough (when possible).

Point taken  - I removed the third post.

This is not just one time, s/he done it several times. Deleting/editing/updating a post on an accusation case (without a tail) which actually based on written evidence can entirely change the direction and can turn the table completely to the wrong side.

Anyway, Sadly - looking at my trust page if anyone tells me that I am the bad guy then I would not wonder.

[xtraelv]

xtraelv wanted to hurt me with his words, he wanted to humiliate me very badly to the community also with whatever possibly he can. I never wanted to bring anyone's reference without their permission but seems like I will need to do this shameful act just to prove that how desperate he was to make me guilty by any means... May be some of these evidence will speak for me or may be not but I feel I need to.
 for[/b]. I'm not defending their actions, but based on the evidence you've presented I don't see much to suggest malice or intent.

You keep on persistently trying to malign my character. Just read some of the things you posted about me from the first day till now. I'm not going to waste my time posting it all on here.


The facts are simple:

You promoted ponzies and you got exposed. - nothing to do with me. Something YOU did.

You make it sound like it was long time ago that you promoted ponzis. Not true.

You entice bitcointalk users to follow your social media here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3759887.msg37072867#msg37072867

You advertised revshare ponzis on your social media accounts - which are still visible today.

This was on your wifes social media account December 2017:

Charles Scoville was a well know scammer before TrafficMonSoon. he owned another Revenue Sharing program some years before, and he fucked people who invested in. It's not the only one. He owned 4-5 websites with a similar scheme and suddenly closed without paying the users.
Just a quick search could show what he did it before, so since people do their due diligence it could not be ignored. What I want to say is you perfectly knew the system will collapse soon or later but still participated in the ponzi scheme. I hope you know you could get a meeting in a justice court as a promoter of such scam (just saying since it happened before...)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.msg42063192#msg42063192

This is what you say:
https://youtu.be/EzO0Y6SoSt8?t=67
Uday is a very honest, he has integrity . Uday is a very good guy.

This is what others say:
https://www.scamfinance.com/mypayingads-com-review-the-hyip-ponzi-that-just-wont-die/
Uday Nara – apparently a very well-known scammer in online get-rich-quick circles
The operation has “gone under” a few times already, yet its pushers simply refuse to let it all die.

https://youtu.be/EzO0Y6SoSt8?t=785

This is where you talk about all your downline people and friends lost thousands of dollars. Keep in mind that prior to that you stated: Uday is a very honest, he has integrity . Uday is a very good guy.

[mdayonliner]

Quoted for reference

Just read some of the things you posted about me from the first day till now.

You are ignoring others post by the way.

You promoted ponzies and you got exposed.

Where?

You make it sound like it was long time ago that you promoted ponzis. Not true.

What time is the truth?

This was on your wifes account December 2017:

First my brother, now you have started stalking my wife too?
What next? My upcoming child?

Can anyone see I am contently getting exposed. My personal privacy, family privacy everything are dragging into the forum from entire web just to make me look bad?

By the way Notice the date on the image December 4, 2017.

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Uday is a very honest, he has intgrity . Uday is a very good guy.

Uday Nara – apparently a very well-known scammer in online get-rich-quick circles
The operation has “gone under” a few times already, yet its pushers simply refuse to let it all die.

Can we consider the date and time?
archive





I was talking about uday when he was not proven guilty (completely), things were getting dark but nobody knew what was in his mind to be honest, was he actually trying to scam exit or a victim or whatever. The justification was from his past good acts. I remember I was blaming him for mismanagement, coz those he trusted, those were surrounding him were basically always telling him good job, good job.

The article on the other hand was written when everything was confirmed about uday.  

You still think you are not biased and not manipulating everything to make me the bad guy just because there was a question on your merit exchanging history and I suspected it.

[xtraelv]

First my brother, now you have started stalking my wife too?
What next? My upcoming child?

All the media accounts are set to public and are asking for followers so you can advertise more.

I am a stalker for looking at an advertised social media account ?

Remember - it was you that told me:

Keep an archive of this post if you want. I strongly hope this will help to dig down more about me.

PS: I am a marketing guy and I would not mind to have an exposure my mate. Go ahead.
 

I was talking about uday when he was not proven guilty (completely), things were getting dark but nobody knew what was in his mind to be honest, was he actually trying to scam exit or a victim or whatever. The justification was from his past good acts.
The article was written when everything was confirmed.  

There is a link right under it with the video and time that you say it.  After you say Uday is a good guy you explain how much money people lost due to his actions. That is what I was talking about.

Can anyone see I am contently getting exposed. My personal privacy, family privacy everything are dragging into the forum from entire web just to make me look bad?

You are so concerned about your privacy that you post links to your social media on bitcointalk here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3759887.msg37072867#msg37072867

There is nothing "personal" about advertising a SCAM on a publicly view-able social media page that is linked to a social media page that is actively advertised on here..

[mdayonliner]

Archive for reference

All the media accounts are set to public and are asking for followers so you can advertise more.

This is what you think in your head, it's your problem not mine.

I am a stalker for looking at an advertised social media account ?

You are pulling everything from the web and staking them on the forum. (Publicly and privately)¹

Remember - it was you that told me

So you are still actually doing that bill suspected...

I would encourage you not to play petty games with the person you are attempting to make a scam accusation against. If they challenge you to other nonsensical mundane tasks would you be interested in doing those as well?

There is a link right under it with the video and time that you say it.  

Subscribe to receive update for SMC project: http://followbitcoin.today/site/payplan

How many times I have to say that this is a project I never launched. Never advertised to public.

After you say Uday is a good guy you explain how much money people lost due to his actions. That is what I was talking about.

The principle of MPA/MPCA was revenue sharing with the members however the direction they are going is no longer be a revshare business.

I am not trying to put negative thinking in your head against Mr. Uday.

This guy is an honest guy. It's just, he failed. He failed massively running the business. His failure is costing us (the members) which is bad. But this is reality and we have to accept it.

We can blame anyone we want but the reality is you can not bring back yesterday. You can only use "this moment" to build a better future. When a company fails we fail as well.

As an affiliate we work hard, we bring new members in the system and generate sells, we create systems, we create videos, we pay for the tools and materials we need, we put our priceless time hours after hours and days after days.

No one see the grinding behind the success.

Think about Uday, as a business owner he did the same thing (may be more) but unfortunately he failed. Success and failure is a part of our life. So, please do not blame the guy. Let him recover.

It's completely understandable that we have angers and frustration but please let us be a wise person and accept the reality.

So, if you read the entire description then don't you see the time was very early to confirm his him as an scammer?
And what I was suppose to tell me students? Stop your life, stop everything and keep crying? These people were looking at me to do something for them.

You are so concerned about your privacy that you post links to your social media on bitcointalk here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3759887.msg37072867#msg37072867

LOL I can do anything with my (ITS MINE) privacy but I would not like anyone else do the same.

There is nothing "personal" about advertising a SCAM on a publicly view-able social media page that is linked to a social media page that is actively advertised on here..

Where in my twitter? What makes you think I promoted it here to advertise scam? Your manipulated mind can think anything and I see that is working very well.
I always said the self promotion was to add it on my portfolio because I wanted to offer signature and bounty management service.

Past work: Successfully ended self promotion

I understand your petty games.

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[xtraelv]

So you are still actually doing that bill suspected...

I would encourage you not to play petty games with the person you are attempting to make a scam accusation against. If they challenge you to other nonsensical mundane tasks would you be interested in doing those as well?

Obviously you didn't understand what he was saying. He was referring to you when he said:

If they challenge you to other nonsensical mundane tasks would you be interested in doing those as well?

He was referring to you when he was talking about the "games".

Anyone doing any research will see that you are quoting most of the other stuff out of context. I'm not going to waste my time replying to most of the nonsense that you have posted.

Obviously when anything goes wrong for you it is automatically my fault.

Yes - you are doing a good job at stalking me.

Check each topic and see who mentions xtraelv or mdayonliner first in that thread.

[mdayonliner]

archive for reference

Obviously you didn't understand what he was saying. He was referring to you when he said:

If they challenge you to other nonsensical mundane tasks would you be interested in doing those as well?

O - is he?

...would you be interested in doing those as well?

Obviously when anything goes wrong for you it is automatically my fault.

Wrong, Not anything(everything)!

I bring you when I find something related to your accusations about me promoted ponzi on the forum (lie) or promoting my social media here to advertise ponzi (lie) etc etc.

I'm not going to waste my time replying to most of the nonsense that you have posted.

I actually understand you kind of people, and I know you will again.

By the way, I do not think I am talking nonsense, I am not assuming things like you do (promoting ponzi on the forum, promoting social media on the forum to promote ponzi etc etc)

Yes - you are doing a good job at stalking me.

Check each topic and see who mentions xtraelv or mdayonliner first in that thread.

You are calling it stalking? I am speechless. You really need to fix your nonsense.  

Your merit sending were suspicious
You had interfered into my private zone publicly and privately.
You were posting my private information publicly on the forum then deleted everything without any trace, admitted.

have moved the claims unrelated to the start of the thread to another board where private information is allowed to be posted.

You were stalking on my wife's social media pages.
You are still spreading lies against me that I am promoting ponzi on the forum and my twitter promotion was to advertise ponzi.
You were/are harassing me just because I found suspicious activities on your merit transaction.
You think If I can post my private stuffs on the forum then you can too

Who is nonsense?
You always create diversion when I try to defend my reputation on the forum.
Anyway I would ask the readers to refresh their mind which I actually posted for everyone to read here

[xtraelv]

I bring you when I find something related to your accusations about me promoted ponzi on the forum (lie) or promoting my social media here to advertise ponzi (lie) etc etc.

Are you denying that you promoted a ponzi ?

You were posting my private information publicly on the forum then deleted everything without any trace, admitted.

I posted in accordance to the rules - it was information you had posted on the forum yourself.

In order to be able to post more information and ensure that google cannot index it I moved it to the investigations forum in accordance to the rules.

You always create diversion when I try to defend my reputation on the forum.

You are not actively defending yourself - you are creating a diversion by trying to make me look bad.

If you defend yourself then you explain your actions. You can't explain your involvement in the ponzi so you create a diversion instead.

Effectively you are harassing and stalking me by doing that. You could just never mention my name again and then I never will reply to you again.

[marlboroza]

I was talking about uday when he was not proven guilty (completely), things were getting dark but nobody knew what was in his mind to be honest, was he actually trying to scam exit or a victim or whatever. The justification was from his past good acts.

I was talking about uday when he was not proven guilty (completely)

completely

I am really sick and tired of this whole MLM made up thing that I promoted them on the forum (This is a complete lie, I never promoted any of them on the forum, those businesses were even gone long ago when I joined the forum)[/b]. in fact, those businesses were not even MLM, they were revshare model. I was doing affiliate marketing as an independent affiliate.

I never promoted any of them on the forum

any of them

those businesses were not even MLM, they were revshare model

I was talking about uday when he was not proven guilty (completely)

I bring you when I find something related to your accusations about me promoted ponzi on the forum (lie) or promoting my social media here to advertise ponzi (lie) etc etc.

Why are you bringing all this "I have never promoted scam on forum" crap? What difference does it make?

[Alone055]

When any Person of this forum get connected with any fraudulent work or supporting any kinda work which is really harmful for rest of us and investor.Is it the only punishment to give him red trust.

To be precise, it cannot be called a punishment, but it is more of a warning for others not to trust the person for anything in future. And that works, if people are careful when doing things involving money.

we have seen from past record many well reputed members of this forum support fraud ICO, scam Shit Exchange, Fraud projects which are nothing but scam. But as a result we also observe that our DT members are taking action by giving RED TRUST to them. after spending some time they get back to their work again.

The trust system is for the users of this forum to be safe from frauds or scams as it represents the reputation of a user that is involved in something in this forum, or has an account in the forum but doing something bad outside it and is caught. A user cannot get back to doing something again in the forum with the same account if it is marked red, obviously. If they do it outside the forum, then it is your responsibility not to trust someone just like that.

yeah i know someone can rise a question that if anyone see red trust and although he or she make payment or deal with him whats the responsibility of us then,

Of course it is your responsibility if you deal with someone having negative trust and get scammed. When you see a board saying "Danger ahead" and you still go there, it is you who is responsible for what happens.

but as a bitcointalk forum member its our duty to ensure a safe environment here for our upcoming generation. Just only giving RED TRUST is not enough. we need to take much harder action.

It is enough. Banning someone for only being untrustworthy is not how this forum works. So this generation or any upcoming generations will have to learn to understand warnings.

if we look 1 years back in this forum members profile you can see many trusted members already got RED TRUST . If someone experienced and well reputed members like them engaged in this kinda scam or fraudulent activities what we will learn from them.

You should learn not to blindly trust anyone, no matter how good others say they are. Someone in the DT is not supposed to be an angel, or to be trusted with anything, because they are included in DT if someone already in DT gives them a positive trust rating, and that does not mean they cannot do wrong things, except from some of them.

[mdayonliner]

Are you denying that you promoted a ponzi ?

I have never promoted any ponzi on the forum not even since I have started my journey here. After that last video I left all the online affilaite businesses promoting for others.

In order to be able to post more information and ensure that google cannot index it I moved it to the investigations forum in accordance to the rules.

You moved them. Before they were on this topic (now in meta) which was against the forum rule.

...oftentimes doxxing someone is used as a weapon in itself instead of a part of any investigation, and as a result innocent people are sometimes hurt. So to protect the innocent while hopefully not hampering scam investigations too much, here are some new rules on doxxing:

....It is not allowed to post somebody's personal information in any other public place, including in signatures.....

...It is not allowed to post someone's dox if it is especially obvious that you're just using the dox as a weapon....

What happened: Looking at my feedback I found that I had been tagged for "Merit abuse" by a nobody

It is not allowed to post someone's dox if it is especially obvious that you're just using the dox as a weapon

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If you defend yourself then you explain your actions. You can't explain your involvement in the ponzi so you create a diversion instead.

How am I creating diversion? Everything I posted on this post was to explain your actions on deleting/editing/updating posts without keeping much references which then changed the direction and turned the table completely to the wrong side. Also to quotes from verious people to bring the attention of what they thought at that time. You were even harassing some of them saying that they are connected to me (DdmrDdmr and theyoungmillionaire). One of them (theyoungmillionaire) even PMed me expecting I will do something to stop you.

Proves that others felt harassed by you.

Hi, my friend mdayonliner,

This guy xtraelv is getting into my nerves. What did I do with this guy that keeps on dragging my name. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4104852.msg38759287#msg38759287

I'm just here to read and learn, not to argue with people.  

regards,
theyoungmillionaire

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4322078.0

Damn, he is basically checking my profile and try to copy things:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3656643.msg36712079#msg36712079
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3490334.msg36141910#msg36141910

His now getting ideas... hahaha

That guys is a shit, my friend.

@theyoungmillionaire : mate, I hope I do not offend you, I really need these stuffs to protect my image. I hope you understand my desperacy.


Bringing everyting was relavent coz marlboroza tagged me for promoting ponzi which mainly based on the investigation and scam accusition (now on meta) topic you started.

I'll copy hilariousandco's sentiment: Offering to be an escrow for a $100k+ deal despite having little to no trading history here and not meeting the criteria required by the op. Also seems to have been involved in ponizs going by the following thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.0 also read this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4871094.msg44097168#msg44097168

you are creating a diversion by trying to make me look bad.

I do not want you to look bad even not anyone. Your actions towards me was bad, you found a weapon and started to spreading lies  that I have promoted ponzi on the forum, my twitter pomotion is to promote ponzi all sorts of misleading information (I can make a long list of the lies if you want to see). I understand it sounds bad when I talk about it but you actually brought all my past life and strategically manipulated the information to hurt my reputation on the forum.

Things could really ended up nicely if I could get a good constructive response of this post which was made in response of his earlier two posts in a row 1, 2.

I had/have nothing personal with you. Have I bought anyone from here? They also have problems with me like you have.

Effectively you are harassing and stalking me by doing that. You could just never mention my name again and then I never will reply to you again.

How could I? Everytime I am going to defend myself I will need to bring the investigation topic and the scam accusations topic as a reference. When I bring these topics your mention comes by default because those are your masterpiece.

By the way, may be the definition of stalking does not mean the same that you are thinking of. You were stalking my personal information, not only mine but my wife's social media. Remember, no man will not like anyone who will point their finger to his family.

I was talking about uday when he was not proven guilty (completely)

completely

The image says,

What if I told you I am guilty
But not completely?

Considering the early stage, I can not just justify someone whitout having enough evidence.

nobody knew what was in his mind to be honest

The picture is nice although it says complete diffent story. It's like...

‘I can’t afford it.’
‘How can I afford it?’

7. “...One dad had a habit of saying, ‘I can’t afford it.’ The other dad forbade those words to be used. He insisted I ask, ‘How can I afford it?’ One is a statement, and the other is a question. One lets you off the hook, and the other forces you to think.”

I never promoted any of them on the forum

any of them

Yes, none of them. Can you point one?

I bring you when I find something related to your accusations about me promoted ponzi on the forum (lie) or promoting my social media here to advertise ponzi (lie) etc etc.

If It never happened on the forum then, accusation for promoting them on the forum is a lie, isn't it?

Why are you bringing all this "I have never promoted scam on forum" crap? What difference does it make?

It's debatable.

By the way, I  still haven't got my answer 

And how about the time?

[xtraelv]

Stop talking crap Mdayonliner.

I didn't dox you. You doxed yourself. You even volunteered the information. Here

1. Personal information must be confined to the new "investigations" board (under Scam Accusations), which is only visible to Members and above. Personal information is defined as anything which links a user's online identity (username, email, etc.) to their meatspace identity, excluding links that the person himself has posted.

You posted your name and linkedin here

I didn't post one bit of information about you there that you hadn't posted yourself on bitcointalk.

Then as an extra precaution I even moved it to investigations. Because I knew that you would pull this type of stunt.

You even told me to post more.

Keep an archive of this post if you want. I strongly hope this will help to dig down more about me.

PS: I am a marketing guy and I would not mind to have an exposure my mate. Go ahead.
 

Nothing I posted was irrelevant to the accusation. I didn't post any details that didn't need to be there. Everything is available because either you posted it on the internet yourself or it is public record. I deliberately did not post information that was unnecessary.

You are selective in your posts. Stop scamming everyone with your "poor me" story.

This is how you treat people:

Motherfucker! What are you smoking that everything comes out twisted from your fucking head (?)! Are you a dick head (?)

STFU! Be my guest. I don't fucking give a fuck. You think you decide my reputation?

You got caught scamming. You promoted a scam and people that participated in the scam lost money and bitcoin.

End of story.

[audaciousbeing]

RED trust might not be enough but doing more is on the basis of the power available to the people with default trust ability and doing the right thing which I am sure if given more, they would surely try to reduce the amount of people engaged in fraudulent activities on the forum. The most important we need to focus on is the enlightenment of people not to fall for scams as some of those scams are really too cheap for someone who values money to see but as a newbie greedy to make tons of money within a short period of time, everything seems legit and the quickest way to achieve financial objectives.

More in my opinion needs to be done on accounts exchange as everyone that is on the forum, is dealt with on that basis. The moment that part can be sanitized, more of high ranked accounts would be nuked to carry out fraudulent activities while the newbie accounts would still be seen with much suspicions to be trusted with funds.

[marlboroza]

I left all the online affilaite businesses promoting for others.

Quoted for for record, archived here http://archive.is/FrCjd and reposted here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.msg44135982#msg44135982

[shield132]

It's very curious, you have trust system where when user gives someone green/red trust, there is a reference link or explanation of reasons. From them and with your mind/brain, you have to decide whether trust or not user.
Looking for "ideas" how are you going to deal with scammers? Everyone can lie, no matter what you'll do, it's impossible to prevent.
And it's not our duty ensure a safe environment here for our upcoming generation. Our duty is to share knowledge and help each other. When we had bad deal, we mark them. Don't look for help in everything, take some risks on your own.

[mdayonliner]

Archive for reference

Promoting twitter account to promote ponzi now is becoming a blame for doxxing. See how you manipulate information?  

I didn't dox you. You doxed yourself. You even volunteered the information. Here

Did I (?) When? After you pulled my information from the web and dumped them on your post or before?

You might need more information about me.

You missed these I believe ===>

Notice the style I am talking. Meaning some of my private information were already dumped on the forum.

It is not allowed to post someone's dox if it is especially obvious that you're just using the dox as a weapon

Would you mind? http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4019640.new
Screenshot


This is an older cached version on google by the way which anyone (the world) could access and even they still can.




http://archive.is/CiVJK#selection-1067.41-1067.84
May be someone will be interested to click on those images from the bottom from this google page

On the top under the navigation follow those ones which has  this...
Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Trading Discussion > Scam Accusations (Moderator: Cyrus) > Serial feedback blackmailer - mdayonliner

Have I volunteered my wife's social media information?

You are selective in your posts. Stop scamming everyone with your "poor me" story.

Meaning I am scamming people on the forum or anywhere else? Would you define stop scamming please?

Motherfucker! What are you smoking that everything comes out twisted from your fucking head (?)! Are you a dick head (?)

STFU! Be my guest. I don't fucking give a fuck. You think you decide my reputation?

See this is what I am calling diversion. This has already been responded.

So if anyone thinks that I started misbehaving (swearing) him then better ask a question to yourself. Who started using slags? This may serve as a reference.

Why are you bringing old stuffs again? These has answered already. Diversion? The original conversation was started here with me and marlboroza so that I can talk back and forth with him/her but you stepped in and again started messing things around.

Quoted for for record, archived here http://archive.is/FrCjd

Good that you are keeping all the quotes so that I can not change information which I don't actually. I always keep records intact even if I see I could get trouble. You can justify from the PM I sent to Lutpin where I could delete the evidence but I archived it just to keep reference. Too much for me going through but yes I will see the link and will write you back.

It's really good to see how hard you guys are trying to keep the forum free from scam. On the process you even do not bother to cool down your head and readjust your prior perception. All these things I have done in the past does not have anything to do with the forum lifetime. I never scammed anyone on the forum nor even outside the forum but here I am, defending myself to restore my honour. I may not be able to fight against it alone but I will try my best.

Few things not the  least....
Time is relevant
Place is relevant

[xtraelv]

Have I volunteered my wife's social media information?

Show me where I have doxxed your wife.

You just made the accusation. Now provide the proof.

Dox:

publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet

In regards to your information - you published your full name and LinkedIn profile as well as your twitter.

You posted your name and linkedin here in April and rest of the stuff here in May

Unless I published your phone number or home address (which I won't) there is nothing more to doxx.

[marlboroza]

Quoted for for record, archived here http://archive.is/FrCjd and reposted here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.msg44135982#msg44135982

Fixed that quote for you with proper link 

Few things not the  least....
Time is relevant

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.msg44135982#msg44135982
As you can see, time is today, as I just signed up to "project2018" under your sponsorship. Tell me, as my sponsor, is it safe to invest in that site? 

Ok, i will stop posting and replying to this topic because it went to completely different direction. Or not?

as a bitcointalk forum member its our duty to ensure a safe environment here for our upcoming generation