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August 17, 2018, 04:09:07 AM
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EDIT: This post is not about the trade of merit nor i'm accusing theese members.
This only shows that the majority of high ranked members have a perfect merit score, thanks to distribution, and that most of them didn't earn a single merit point in 7 months in the whole forum.
that's the problem. Is way too hard to earn merit, maintening the status quo of who is high ranked with an airdrop.


So I noticed that a lot of accounts in here are so lucky to have just the right amount of Merit for their rank.
Let's make a list  Grin
I will remove the users as soon as they gain 5% Merit from the screenshoot.
Shouldn't be hard to earn that 5% if the merit system works, right? Smiley

I'm going to track only Full Members and above, checking 1 random thread every day and keeping some stats.
If anyone want to contribute please do  Grin


Thread Analyzed: Ethereum Vs Bitcoin
Number of posts: 106
Lucky posters: 20 (18.86%)

20 full members or above have a perfect score
7 have a perfect score+1
8 have a diversified score

it means that in 7 months(the merit system was integrated in january) most of the high ranked members that posted in that thread didn't managed to earn 1 SINGLE merit.
which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1187917


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1002351


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1026769


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23970


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052347


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=932978


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=380896


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=994347


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=561007


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1041898


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=549786


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1029932


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1118451


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=721609


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=201779


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1190694


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=330283


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=816901


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=362227


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August 17, 2018, 04:14:59 AM
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I feel like some most of the users on that list, have the amount of merit that was airdropped. IIrc we are 200 activity in from when merit was introduced.
 
So a senior member with anything over 450 for activity and 250 likely hasn't received a merit but had reached the rank prior to the system.

Maybe I misunderstand what you are calling out here.

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I feel like some most of the users on that list, have the amount of merit that was airdropped. IIrc we are 200 activity in from when merit was introduced.
 
So a senior member with anything over 450 for activity and 250 likely hasn't received a merit but had reached the rank prior to the system.

Maybe I misunderstand what you are calling out here.


I checked few and seems so as well, there are however many cases where some user got exactly the merit necessary to rank up in a short and impressive time, after that nothing.


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August 17, 2018, 04:27:22 AM
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You are right, they are lucky because most of users of your list got  initial merit equal to their rank when theymos released merit system.

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August 17, 2018, 09:07:03 AM
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I feel like some most of the users on that list, have the amount of merit that was airdropped. IIrc we are 200 activity in from when merit was introduced.
 
So a senior member with anything over 450 for activity and 250 likely hasn't received a merit but had reached the rank prior to the system.

Maybe I misunderstand what you are calling out here.

Probably that's the case, which brings us to another interesting statistic from that topic.

20 full members or above have a perfect score
7 have a perfect score+1
8 have a diversified score

it means that in 7 months(the merit system was integrated in january) most of the high ranked members that posted in that thread didn't managed to earn 1 SINGLE merit.
which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.

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August 17, 2018, 09:24:17 AM
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which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
You just prove to us that this thread is also one of the trash thread that complain about the merit system.

They are so lucky you are right, but there's nothing we can do about that, the system is already implemented that way.

I'm going to track only Full Members and above, checking 1 random thread every day and keeping some stats.
If anyone want to contribute please do  Grin

Why you only track those high members that dont get the merit system since the implementation? Why dont track all the users already registered before the system?

Is that because it Includes you to the list that REGISTERED MEMBERS BEFORE THE MERIT SYSTEM WHO DONT MANAGE TO GET EVEN 1 MERIT SINCE THE IMPLEMENTATION?

There is no difference between you and those on your list aside from they are luckier than you or even us because they already here for a long time and I think its a fair reward for their existence in the forum before the merit system.


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August 17, 2018, 09:26:38 AM
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it means that in 7 months(the merit system was integrated in january) most of the high ranked members that posted in that thread didn't managed to earn 1 SINGLE merit.
which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.

It just means there are a ton of shitposters. A lot of posters that contribute a small amount not worthy of merit and a tiny number of users that make merit-able content.

I'm not a merit source but my meriting criteria is:

1) Avoid meriting posts that talk about merit (exceptions are occasionally made).
2) Check poster history for regular bounty or advertising shitposts.
3) Is the post of sufficient quality to deserve merit. Funny, unique, informative, helpful and well intended. (not merit begging)


As you can see from the search results and the amount of threads of the same name. It is neither unique nor interesting conversation.
Someone who has merit to give is unlikely to be visiting the thread.


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August 17, 2018, 09:37:55 AM
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1. How are you different from these people, except that you registered late and did not have time to fill enough activity?

2. Why keep track of users who last visited the forum in April?


Last Active:   April 14, 2018, 04:59:21 AM

3. I would understand if you posted links to accounts that received exactly 100 Merit or exactly 250 Merit (not airdrop, but from other users), and then for a long time did not earn any 1 Merit. Perhaps it would be interesting...

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August 17, 2018, 09:48:22 AM
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which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.

No we don't need morer merit sources, we need better posters, and an easier way to find them. More merit sources is unlikely to increase the number of members receiving merits, but it could mean that the existing good posters receive more merits.

I'm having to make some broad brush decisions to reduce the time I spend looking for decent posts. For example, anyone who uses all capitals in a thread title goes straight on ignore, and the thread never gets opened again by me. It's a pretty general statement, but in my opinion, anyone who uses all capitals is juvenile, and is unlikely to have anything interesting to say.

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August 17, 2018, 09:49:53 AM
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which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
You just prove to us that this thread is also one of the trash thread that complain about the merit system.

They are so lucky you are right, but there's nothing we can do about that, the system is already implemented that way.

I'm going to track only Full Members and above, checking 1 random thread every day and keeping some stats.
If anyone want to contribute please do  Grin

Why you only track those high members that dont get the merit system since the implementation? Why dont track all the users already registered before the system?

Is that because it Includes you to the list that REGISTERED MEMBERS BEFORE THE MERIT SYSTEM WHO DONT MANAGE TO GET EVEN 1 MERIT SINCE THE IMPLEMENTATION?

There is no difference between you and those on your list aside from they are luckier than you or even us because they already here for a long time and I think its a fair reward for their existence in the forum before the merit system.

I said several times that the merit system is a good idea but needs improvements.
Why i tracked only high members? because there were too many users with 10 of merit so i decided to only track 100 250 and 500.

I registrated like 2 weeks before the merit system, i didn't get merits because the majority of my posting are italian translations in the local section and there's simply no source in there.
i have no problem with those high ranked users that haven't earned merit. they are simply proof that is way to hard to get merit.

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August 17, 2018, 09:51:20 AM
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You seem to have got it all wrong. I've gone through all your list and all but one of the profiles got their Merit from the initial airdrop, according to their rank at the time.

The only exception is this profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1002351. He/she gained 150 sMerits in 3 TXs on the same date (09/02/2018). That’s the only profile that makes your case.

Edit: Ok, I understood from a post of your's in another thread what you ment: Those users have not gained any merit since the airdrop. There are tens of thousands of these cases, so why focus on a few ?
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1. How are you different from these people, except that you registered late and did not have time to fill enough activity?

2. Why keep track of users who last visited the forum in April?


Last Active:   April 14, 2018, 04:59:21 AM

3. I would understand if you posted links to accounts that received exactly 100 Merit or exactly 250 Merit (not airdrop, but from other users), and then for a long time did not earn any 1 Merit. Perhaps it would be interesting...



I simply opened the first thread in Bitcoin Discussion and tracked the perfect scores.
I'm not saying that they BOUGHT merit. i'm saying that most of the high ranked members in that thread didn't earn a single merit in 7 months. so there's a problem with the difficulty of earning merits.  








I'm not saying that they must have earned merits in that discussion. i'm saying that they didn't earn a single merit in all their post in 7 months.







No we don't need morer merit sources, we need better posters, and an easier way to find them. More merit sources is unlikely to increase the number of members receiving merits, but it could mean that the existing good posters receive more merits.

I'm having to make some broad brush decisions to reduce the time I spend looking for decent posts. For example, anyone who uses all capitals in a thread title goes straight on ignore, and the thread never gets opened again by me. It's a pretty general statement, but in my opinion, anyone who uses all capitals is juvenile, and is unlikely to have anything interesting to say.
I respect your opinion but i disagree. More merit sources will inevitably increase the merit distribution.
There's a ton of people complaining that they make quality post and not getting merit. there are even users that open threads just to share their merit with these people.







Edit: Ok, I understood from a post of your's in another thread what you ment: Those users have not gained any merit since the airdrop. There are tens of thousands of these cases, so why focus on a few ?

Because i wanted to make a small statistic on a random thread. i don't have time to track thousands of people  Grin
And that statistic confirmed that is very hard to earn merits even for high ranked users.

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There's a ton of people complaining that they make quality post and not getting merit.

I've underlined the part of the statement that I agree with. The rest I don't agree with.

Show me the quality posts that deserve merit and didn't get it.

and meet my criteria:

I'm not a merit source but my meriting criteria is:

1) I avoid meriting posts that talk about merit (exceptions are occasionally made).
2) I check poster history for regular bounty or advertising shitposts. (Merit is to reduce low quality posts)
3) Is the post of sufficient quality to deserve merit ? Funny, unique, informative, helpful and well intended ? (not merit begging)


The people who want merit generally are the ones that shitpost in bounties.

It is not hard to earn merit. You only have to make a couple of good posts that keep on getting merit.

Satoshi is an example of where a user doesn't even have to log onto the forum for years and still get merit.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topusersat


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August 17, 2018, 10:29:38 AM
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Wow, such analysis, much wow. I think it's shows that Merit system really works. You analysed one spammy thread. And these users got only airdroped Merits according to their rank, they didn't managed to earn any real Merits in 7 months. Why they didn't earned? Because they are making low quality posts  in spam megathreads. Why someone should Merit their posts? I would predict that mostly of these users still don't even know that Merit system exists because they haven't spent any of their sMerit. Shortly, these users not deserved to rank up. They didn't got Merit not because it's too difficult to earn it, they didn't got it because they are spammers.

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Wow, such analysis, much wow. I think it's shows that Merit system really works. You analysed one spammy thread. And these users got only airdroped Merits according to their rank, they didn't managed to earn any real Merits in 7 months. Why they didn't earned? Because they are making low quality posts  in spam megathreads. Why someone should Merit their posts? I would predict that mostly of these users still don't even know that Merit system exists because they haven't spent any of their sMerit. Shortly, these users not deserved to rank up. They didn't got Merit not because it's too difficult to earn it, they didn't got it because they are spammers.

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Please link me a better thread to analyze. Possibly with no more than 10 pages  Grin




There's a ton of people complaining that they make quality post and not getting merit.

I've underlined the part of the statement that I agree with. The rest I don't agree with.

Show me the quality posts that deserve merit and didn't get it.

and meet my criteria:

I'm not a merit source but my meriting criteria is:

1) I avoid meriting posts that talk about merit (exceptions are occasionally made).
2) I check poster history for regular bounty or advertising shitposts. (Merit is to reduce low quality posts)
3) Is the post of sufficient quality to deserve merit ? Funny, unique, informative, helpful and well intended ? (not merit begging)


The people who want merit generally are the ones that shitpost in bounties.

It is not hard to earn merit. You only have to make a couple of good posts that keep on getting merit.

Satoshi is an example of where a user doesn't even have to log onto the forum for years and still get merit.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topusersat



Here(in the threads linked in) you can find some examples
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2832127.0

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This is default merits given corresponding their rank. Not a lucky list, more like the wall of shame if the account is still active. How hard would be getting a single merit??

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the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.

No. It is not the system that needs improvements, but it is the posts that are being made and are getting no Merits require improvements.
And, we don't need more Merit sources to solve that problem, but we need more quality posters to reduce the quantity of such Meritless accounts.
It is not only the sources who can give Merits to a post, but any regular user carrying sMerits can do that if the post he is looking at deserves that. So it is pointless to complain about less Merit sources just because useless posters are not getting Merits.

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which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.
Merit System doesn't need any improvements, actually these accounts you've provided are perfect proof that the Merit System is working according to plan. They doesn't receive any Merits yet because they don't make any good and quality post/threads just like you IMHO. At first, I thought reading this thread is something that will catch my interest but reading furthermore, it's just a thread complaining about Merit, the difference is you've just added some information that will cover your real objective, and it is to complain.

I'm not underestimating users who can't receive Merits, because I still believe that by just improving themselves a little, they will surely start to gain Merits like other members. The only problem is they don't care about the quality of posts, so the Merit will still stay away from them.

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August 17, 2018, 01:27:29 PM
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which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.
Merit System doesn't need any improvements, actually these accounts you've provided are perfect proof that the Merit System is working according to plan. They doesn't receive any Merits yet because they don't make any good and quality post/threads just like you IMHO. At first, I thought reading this thread is something that will catch my interest but reading furthermore, it's just a thread complaining about Merit, the difference is you've just added some information that will cover your real objective, and it is to complain.

I'm not underestimating users who can't receive Merits, because I still believe that by just improving themselves a little, they will surely start to gain Merits like other members. The only problem is they don't care about the quality of posts, so the Merit will still stay away from them.

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I will remove the users as soon as they gain 5% Merit from the screenshoot.
How about lock this thread if you don't receive at least 2 Merits within 48 hours? Smiley
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If anyone want to contribute please do  Grin
Wishing you luck to find someone who will be interested to help you complain about Merit System.

Everything can be improved.  I'm just showing facts and looking for improvements.  You can say that the current numbers are too small, but this is the reality of this forum.
I believe in decentralization, this forum is just the opposite. pretty sad oligarchy.

I don't want merit, i'm proud to be a Copper Member since day 1
I want more sources, especially for local sections. This user is correctly asking to be a french source and being ignored. is it right? its the merit system perfect??? i don't think so.


84 sources for 2 mln users is simply ridiculous. it's like 0.0042%... not even real society is that bad

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August 17, 2018, 02:07:11 PM
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I don't need merit, i'm proud to be a Copper Member since day 1
Ofcourse you do need one mate, this is the only proof that you're not here to spam the entire forum unless it is that you've been doing.  It is a proof that you're quality poster.

And also you need one to rank up. Nobody here just want to be stuck with their ranks forever? If someone else does they're shitposters and in fact they will never rank up.

If they don't care about what're your posts, I think there will be somebody who will as long as you make constructive posts.

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