[THE LUCKY LIST] Just the right amount of MERIT

[CryptoSparks]

I don't need merit, i'm proud to be a Copper Member since day 1

Ofcourse you do need one mate, this is the only proof that you're not here to spam the entire forum unless it is that you've been doing.  It is a proof that you're quality poster.

And also you need one to rank up. Nobody here just want to be stuck with their ranks forever? If someone else does they're shitposters and in fact they will never rank up.

I want more sources, especially for local sections. This user is correctly asking to be a french source and being ignored since february . is it right? its the merit system perfect??? i don't think so.


84 sources for 2 mln users is simply ridiculous. it's like 0.0042%... not even real society is that bad

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[LTU_btc]

Wow, such analysis, much wow. I think it's shows that Merit system really works. You analysed one spammy thread. And these users got only airdroped Merits according to their rank, they didn't managed to earn any real Merits in 7 months. Why they didn't earned? Because they are making low quality posts  in spam megathreads. Why someone should Merit their posts? I would predict that mostly of these users still don't even know that Merit system exists because they haven't spent any of their sMerit. Shortly, these users not deserved to rank up. They didn't got Merit not because it's too difficult to earn it, they didn't got it because they are spammers.

Hello dear shiba  
I didn't track their messages on other threads so i can't comment.
Please link me a better thread to analyze. Possibly with no more than 10 pages  

I don't know, just open another random thread from Bitcoin Discussion board and you will see much more users stuck with 10, 100, 250, 500 or 1000 airdroped merit. My point that's it not too difficult to earn Merit, they just haven't made Merit worthy posts.

I want more sources, especially for local sections. This user is correctly asking to be a french source and being ignored since february . is it right? its the merit system perfect??? i don't think so.


84 sources for 2 mln users is simply ridiculous. it's like 0.0042%... not even real society is that bad

This isn't completely correct. 1,4 of all users are Brand New accounts. It means that they haven't made even single post or their accounts were nuked. So, number of active Bitcointalk users is much smaller. But I would agree that there are not enough Merit sources. On the other hand, some of current Merit sources complaining that it's difficult to find Merit worthy posts and they are struggling to spend their monthly sMerit.

[pugman]

I want more sources, especially for local sections. This user is correctly asking to be a french source and being ignored since february . is it right? its the merit system perfect??? i don't think so.

Dawg, I ain't perfect(also I think you mentioned me by mistake, cause I ain't no French man or woman), and theymos has trust issues when it comes to giving users some responsibility of helping the forum out. I do think we need more merit sources,but the current merit sources are awesome at doing what they do best. Foxpup and suchmoon are the most generous merit sources and they have spread their merits all across the boards. So just wait, theymos will do what would be the best for the forum.

[Silent26]

84 sources for 2 mln users is simply ridiculous. it's like 0.0042%... not even real society is that bad

No it's not, actually it's pretty Fair. You know why? Because out of those 2 million users, there is only about 5 to 10% (I guess) who are quality posters and deserves to get Merits. If it's too exaggerated, then make it 15% or whatever you like but my main point is, over 70% of users here in Bitcointalk doesn't deserve Merits as they only make post to earn money and those posts they make are totally trash. So what are you complaining about? Don't even say that Merit Sources are not doing their responsibility just because they only distribute merit to a few number of people because, can we blame them if they can't find many quality posters?

But, asides from that, It would be better if every local board has also having their own Merit Sources because it will be difficult for our sources to distribute Merits from a post/thread written in other languages. Even though our current Merits sources are enough, I still like @crwth to be a Merit source so that Tagalog posters from my local board will still be able to receive enough merits from their hard works. As well as to @bitmover and that French guy who were applying for Merit Source.

[allahabadi]

84 sources for 2 mln users is simply ridiculous. it's like 0.0042%... not even real society is that bad

No it's not, actually it's pretty Fair. You know why? Because out of those 2 million users, there is only about 5 to 10% (I guess) who are quality posters and deserves to get Merits. If it's too exaggerated, then make it 15% or whatever you like but my main point is, over 70% of users here in Bitcointalk doesn't deserve Merits as they only make post to earn money and those posts they make are totally trash. So what are you complaining about? Don't even say that Merit Sources are not doing their responsibility just because they only distribute merit to a few number of people because, can we blame them if they can't find many quality posters?

But, asides from that, It would be better if every local board has also having their own Merit Sources because it will be difficult for our sources to distribute Merits from a post/thread written in other languages. Even though our current Merits sources are enough, I still like @crwth to be a Merit source so that Tagalog posters from my local board will still be able to receive enough merits from their hard works. As well as to @bitmover and that French guy who were applying for Merit Source.

Agree, very apt and to the point.

But, I think theymos did appoint local merit sources too; cause I seem to remember a scandal of sorts involving a Japanese board merit source who people claimed wasn't a good one; but theymos had made him a merit source nonetheless to accommodate the local boards.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

No we don't need morer merit sources, we need better posters, and an easier way to find them.

I don't agree with the first part, that we don't need more merit sources.  I think we do.  Even if the total amount of good posts remains the same, I think it might be taking a little too long for those good members to rank up.  More sources could alleviate some of that while still keeping the shitposters at Jr. Member for eternity.  I don't think having more merit sources would result in bad posts earning any merit, though I suppose that's possible--but that's why applications to be one should be vetted carefully.

Needing better posters is glaringly obvious to anyone who can read.  I do agree that there needs to be a better way of finding posts that need merits.  Some months ago, we had threads being made by members who had some merits to give out, asking people to "apply" for some merits.  Inevitably, all the shitposters on the forum would flock to those threads, and they became a mess.  Actmyname had such a thread going and he even said he'd give out neutral trust if shitposters wasted his time--and of course they didn't read that warning and did it anyway.

Even if we had a master thread where members could submit posts for merit, I'm sure there would be abuse with shitposters working really hard on one post, submitting it, and then continuing to put no effort whatsoever into their other posts.  I'm also sure that such a thread would become clogged with straight-up garbage as well.  Maybe a self-moderated thread by a merit source would work.  Whatever the solution is, we need to find it.  I think there are a lot of posts that should be merited but can't even be located.

[Silent26]

I don't agree with the first part, that we don't need more merit sources.  I think we do.  Even if the total amount of good posts remains the same, I think it might be taking a little too long for those good members to rank up.  More sources could alleviate some of that while still keeping the shitposters at Jr. Member for eternity.  I don't think having more merit sources would result in bad posts earning any merit, though I suppose that's possible--but that's why applications to be one should be vetted carefully.

I've just sent you my remaining one sMerit to give for quality posters. It's nice to know that even you had noticed that we still need more Merit Sources and I do agree with that as well. Actually, I have seen a lot of good posts lately but since I don't have enough merits to give, I just gave a few of them as I'm saving my sMerits for those members who will need it a lot (Although you didn't need my last Merit, I still gave it to you  ). It only shows that sources are not enough and it is still difficult for them to locate those quality posts.

Needing better posters is glaringly obvious to anyone who can read.  I do agree that there needs to be a better way of finding posts that need merits.  Some months ago, we had threads being made by members who had some merits to give out, asking people to "apply" for some merits.  Inevitably, all the shitposters on the forum would flock to those threads, and they became a mess.  Actmyname had such a thread going and he even said he'd give out neutral trust if shitposters wasted his time--and of course they didn't read that warning and did it anyway.

I also made a thread where I merit members who can provide helpful threads before but eventually I only Merited one member because all remaining posts provided by other users are totally not too helpful nor having any sense. I also participated in actmyname's  "14 Merits for quality posts" (can't remember the exact title of the threads) a couple of months ago and end up having a Neutral trust as I'm considered as a spammer. But fortunately, he removed it as I improved my posts quality

All I want to say is, giving sMerits for members who can provide quality posts aren't bad idea at all. So that, it won't be difficult for Merit Sources to look for good posts.

It will also be better if every local board has it's own trusted, reputable, and responsible Merit sources.

I'm sure there would be abuse with shitposters working really hard on one post, submitting it, and then continuing to put no effort whatsoever into their other posts.  

Those are the kind of users I encountered before in my thread. They will submit a "somehow good posts" and "somehow merit-able" but since the rest of their posts are totally trash, I ignored giving them any Smerits and leaving them good advice that they should improve their selves. They are only making a single thread where they can possibly receive Merits and then continue spamming again.

[CryptoSparks]

I've just sent you my remaining one sMerit to give for quality posters. It's nice to know that even you had noticed that we still need more Merit Sources and I do agree with that as well. Actually, I have seen a lot of good posts lately but since I don't have enough merits to give, I just gave a few of them as I'm saving my sMerits for those members who will need it a lot (Although you didn't need my last Merit, I still gave it to you  ). It only shows that sources are not enough and it is still difficult for them to locate those quality posts.
 they should improve their selves. They are only making a single thread where they can possibly receive Merits and then continue spamming again.

So you switched sides in 1 day after attacking me for saying the same thing? I guess you needed a Legendary member to say that uh?
You're a funny guy  

Merit System doesn't need any improvements,

84 sources for 2 mln users is simply ridiculous. it's like 0.0042%... not even real society is that bad

No it's not, actually it's pretty Fair. You know why? Because out of those 2 million users, there is only about 5 to 10% (I guess) who are quality posters and deserves to get Merits. If it's too exaggerated, then make it 15% or whatever you like but my main point is, over 70% of users here in Bitcointalk doesn't deserve Merits as they only make post to earn money and those posts they make are totally trash. So what are you complaining about? Don't even say that Merit Sources are not doing their responsibility just because they only distribute merit to a few number of people because, can we blame them if they can't find many quality posters?

[Retty]

OP, Its all well and good making a list like this, the reality is though its not going to change.

Like anything in life you have to be in the right place at the right time. These guys were here before you so thats just the way it is. We don't have to agree, but you have to be realistic and accept that they were here before you and before the rule change so if it was fair then, its fair now.

Nobody is keeping you here and nobody is stopping you from leaving.

The fact that you dont have any Merit tells its own story. You are here simply for money/bounties etc and dont want to participate until you want to moan about the system. Only one person can make a change and thats you.

[CryptoSparks]

OP, Its all well and good making a list like this, the reality is though its not going to change.

Like anything in life you have to be in the right place at the right time. These guys were here before you so thats just the way it is. We don't have to agree, but you have to be realistic and accept that they were here before you and before the rule change so if it was fair then, its fair now.

Nobody is keeping you here and nobody is stopping you from leaving.

The fact that you dont have any Merit tells its own story. You are here simply for money/bounties etc and dont want to participate until you want to moan about the system. Only one person can make a change and thats you.

Again...
I'm not complaining because those users were lucky enough to be here before me. I'm saying that there's a problem with sources and even a bigger one with local sources.
I'm in this forum to do translations and earn tokens.. so what? (also nice signature you have there) my tasks are even harder than posting shit around the forum to earn points. Doesn't matter how professional my translations are, i will NEVER receive merit because there are no sources.

And the funniest thing is that i want merit only to wear a goddamn avatar.  

[Silent26]

So you switched sides in 1 day after attacking me for saying the same thing? I guess you needed a Legendary member to say that uh?
You're a funny guy  

I can't believe that you didn't understand what I said. Well, let me explain it again.

First of all I didn't switched sides, like what I said in this post (I hope you didn't missed it)

But, asides from that, It would be better if every local board has also having their own Merit Sources because it will be difficult for our sources to distribute Merits from a post/thread written in other languages.

I stated that we still need more merit sources for every local section. That's why I said this...

It's nice to know that even you had noticed that we still need more Merit Sources and I do agree with that as well.

So there's no side switching happened. I suggest to add more sources since the beginning. Please read it several times.

Well about this one

Merit System doesn't need any improvements,

I'm serious when I said this, what kind of improvements are you expecting from Merit System? Free Merits when you reached 224 Activity? Because in my opinion adding more Merit Sources is not something we can call "improvement of Merit System".

How about lock this thread if you don't receive at least 2 Merits within 48 hours?

Anyway, you're lucky that you hesitated to accept my challenge

And the funniest thing is that i want merit only to wear a goddamn avatar.  

Aww, too bad for you. Looks like it will take a couple of months (or years?) before you wear an avatar for advertising. But it's still possible for you to get enough merit to rank up to Member just in one day, well it's either you buy Merits or beg for it  

[CryptoSparks]

So you switched sides in 1 day after attacking me for saying the same thing? I guess you needed a Legendary member to say that uh?
You're a funny guy  

I can't believe that you didn't understand what I said. Well, let me explain it again.

First of all I didn't switched sides, like what I said in this post (I hope you didn't missed it)

But, asides from that, It would be better if every local board has also having their own Merit Sources because it will be difficult for our sources to distribute Merits from a post/thread written in other languages.

I stated that we still need more merit sources for every local section. That's why I said this...

It's nice to know that even you had noticed that we still need more Merit Sources and I do agree with that as well.

So there's no side switching happened. I suggest to add more sources since the beginning. Please read it several times.

Well about this one

Merit System doesn't need any improvements,

I'm serious when I said this, what kind of improvements are you expecting from Merit System? Free Merits when you reached 224 Activity? Because in my opinion adding more Merit Sources is not something we can call "improvement of Merit System".

How about lock this thread if you don't receive at least 2 Merits within 48 hours?

Anyway, you're lucky that you hesitated to accept my challenge

And the funniest thing is that i want merit only to wear a goddamn avatar.  

Aww, too bad for you. Looks like it will take a couple of months (or years?) before you wear an avatar for advertising. But it's still possible for you to get enough merit to rank up to Member just in one day, well it's either you buy Merits or beg for it  

Yeah sure, making some changes to a system in order to make it better can't be called "improvement". Sources are part of the system's workflow.

All i've been saying in this thread is that we need more sources, and you still talk about nonsense like "Free Merits when you reached 224 Activity".

Go find some other Legendary's ass to lick, you have done your job here.

And btw, the day i'll wear an avatar for extra small rewards( LIKE YOU   ) i will leave this forum.

[DdmrDdmr]

<...>Doesn't matter how professional my translations are, i will NEVER receive merit because there are no sources.<...>

Actually, I guess that your local board is the Italian board. If I’m right, the board does have a merit source (not too hard to find). Translations though I figure will go for the most unmerited if they are Ann/bounty related, but if you translate topics of interest to the generality of the local board, these may.

Even so, local boards are, for the most, boards that are rather scarce in terms of merit, where gaining a few if feasible, but opting to rank-up by solely posting on the local board may be extremely difficult.
For example, on the Italian board to date, a total of 46 forum users have been awarded 10 or more sMerits, but only 8 out of those have been awarded more that 50 sMerits in aggregate for posts on the local board (duesoldi, Speculatoross, gallisiardi, Ale88, coinlocket$, Micio, gbianchi and Piggy).

On my local board, Spanish, things are even worse: 38 users have been awarded more than 10 sMerit and only 5 have received more than 50 in aggregate there (I’m not amongst these 5).

Regardless of it all, this is an interesting discussion that has been approached on and off on Meta. It does differ though quite a bit from the thread title and OP, so the thread has taken quite a swing...

[CryptoSparks]

<...>Doesn't matter how professional my translations are, i will NEVER receive merit because there are no sources.<...>

Actually, I guess that your local board is the Italian board. If I’m right, the board does have a merit source (not too hard to find). Translations though I figure will go for the most unmerited if they are Ann/bounty related, but if you translate topics of interest to the generality of the local board, these may.

Even so, local boards are, for the most, boards that are rather scarce in terms of merit, where gaining a few if feasible, but opting to rank-up by solely posting on the local board may be extremely difficult.
For example, on the Italian board to date, a total of 46 forum users have been awarded 10 or more sMerits, but only 8 out of those have been awarded more that 50 sMerits in aggregate for posts on the local board (duesoldi, Speculatoross, gallisiardi, Ale88, coinlocket$, Micio, gbianchi and Piggy).

On my local board, Spanish, things are even worse: 38 users have been awarded more than 10 sMerit and only 5 have received more than 50 in aggregate there (I’m not amongst these 5).

Regardless of it all, this is an interesting discussion that has been approached on and off on Meta. It does differ though quite a bit from the thread title and OP, so the thread has taken quite a swing...

Very interesting data, thanks.

Maybe a solution could be to automatically make the top 3 users with most awards local sources

[DdmrDdmr]

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Maybe a solution could be to automatically make the top 3 users with most awards local sources

Automatism’s would not be adequate in any case, since merit sources need to be trusted and approved manually taking into account multiple factors and checking manually through their merit awarding history criteria is one of them. Aside from candidates that throw their candidacy into the ring through the official procedure, a factor to find merit sources could be what you say, but spinning it around. Rather than focus on which users received most, focus on users that award the most. More to the point, focus on those that awarded sMerit to a large network of people. That's to say, an objectively good candidate would be one that sends sMerit to many people (not one that receives a lot but does not send much, nor one that sends a lot but to only a few people(/alts)).

If you’re interested, we discussed this on Meta a couple of months ago in detail (see User's sMerit Network size – Data to select possible Merit Sources). The focus as I mentioned is on the sender’s network size.
Since the post is now two months old, you can see the current data for your local board on the  Merit Dashboard), under the tab called "Potential Merit Sources". Simply filter by Subsection (mark only Italian for example) and you’ll see the list of potential candidates ordered by sender’s network size (current Merit Sources, if any, are probably on the list so they are not really candidates).

Finding a source is just one of the parts of the equation. It is just as hard to determine exactly where there is a lack of merit sources (there are some threads around on this matter too I believe).

[theyoungmillionaire]

Maybe a solution could be to automatically make the top 3 users with most awards local sources

Not a good idea. People with group of friends and has more alts can be awarded with your suggestion. Merit is already abused – please not the merit source team. The prevailing system on merit source application is working just fine, firm, and serving its purpose.