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Singapore and Ethiopia (for example, and there are many others on the list) don't need to hunt down the wealth of their own citizens, as their economies are not suffering from the bloated socialism and sovereign debt crisis.

There is this level of global coordination, because there is a very powerful oligarchy of globalists who control these nation-states and coordinate their plans.

I'd say that any state exists mostly to extort surplus value from the peasants for the insiders who control it, and taxation is the #1 mean.

On Ethiopia specifically I may say that they nationalized their central bank some years ago and they do most of their business with China trying to imitate it with a state-led 'developmentalist' ('develop-mentalist'?) policy with the result of being a noticeable economic success story in the last 10 years. Even politically I see them much more close to China than anything and available to play ball with the west mostly on their terms.

The factors of their success are probably going to end in the usual way at some point: The heavy state involvement in the economy produces remarkable results until it doesn't anymore, when bureaucracy, waste, theft and taxes, debt and inflation surpass some critical threshold.

And since ppl there is used from thousands of years to a centralized power not admitting any dissent even after the transition to formal democracy much ppl still confound a perceived mandatory sense of national pride/nationalism with an obligation to approve their gov, so they don't really have any checks and balances.

Their gov monopolizes telecom and do heavy internet surveillance/eavesdropping mostly against any opposition (which is mostly ethnically based, like the gov. party itself). Still, I see their chances way better than most of places in the west.

[AnonyMint]

I have a friend in Ethiopia so I was also aware of how controlled the internet and telcom is and had surmised what you detailed about the management of and the subjugated role of their national economy.

This seems to add proof of my point that it is the oligarchy (and their multi-national corporations) who are in control of (driving the economic incentives in, i.e. "bribes" in) the global economy, not the nation-state bureaucrats.

[AnonyMint]

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Subject: Armstrong conflates frontiers with sheep waking up
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Wed, June 25, 2014 12:24 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/06/24/will-society-ever-wake-up/

Of course. If society did not wake up now and then, the outcome would always be the same – a dark age. The late 1700s was a revolution against monarchy – i.e. American Revolution. Then there was the overthrow of the kings and birth of Roman Republic in 509 BC. Each of these two events was followed by a contagion where the first inspired the French Revolution and the latter the Athenian revolution giving birth to Democracy. Then there was the collapse of Communism that began in China and spread to Russia and Eastern Europe as a contagion.

There has NEVER been a global Dark Age, e.g. the Dark Age in Western Rome birthed the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) empire. The Dark Age in Japan (where they used only rice as money) did not impact the entire world.

In prior communications I had explained the French Revolution replaced a monarchy with a dictator (Napoleon) and the Athenian society was run by an exclusive voting power amongst the slave owners. Never have the sheep been uncontrolled by the power structure that fills the power vacuum of democracy. NEVER!

The birth of America was, just like the Roman Empire, a new frontier. In the Roman case it was the security of the soldiers who were paid with bounty from conquests that opened up a road network which made agricultural commerce more efficient. In the American case it was the frontier and resources of the moving westward.

Never did the sheep wake up. Our American constitution was flawed from the outset, and the power structure was always in control, not the people.

Again I can't seem to get the hard-headed man to appreciate from history that only frontiers have ever provided an escape from the failure of collective society. And formerly there existed geographical frontiers, but those don't exist any more. Thus the power structure (the oligarchy) that is in control now has an absolute mandate to take us into a global Dark Age, if not for the technological frontier.

ONLY the hackers can save us now.

[AnonyMint]

To expound just a bit for clarity...

The developing world is self-reliant in terms of things they've been doing for decades or longer, e.g. inefficient (not debt-funded, not modernized) small-scale agriculture, local buy&sell vendor, small-scale fishing, etc..

In one word, economy-of-scale. They don't have it without the top-down (debt) capital and management of the corporations. Asians work in groups as a social interaction, e.g. companies would rather hire several beautiful accountants (nice eye candy and social interaction for office banter) than automate their accounting. For example, concrete is produced at a large multi-national corporate facility, not by self-reliant individuals. The physical industrial age economy depends on large capital. I went into this in great depth in my 2010 essays as linked from the OP of the Economic Devastation thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.0

The autonomous, decentralized Knowledge Age is bringing about the death of the Industrial Age and the above economic model. Most saliently note the technological network (e.g. internet and other networks built on top of it such as crypto-currencies, bazaars for 3D printing designs, etc) enables decentralized and autonomous economies-of-scale. Refer to concepts such as Reed's Law, Metcalf's Law, and network effects.

Yeah the developing world has less further to fall down than the Western world as the debt-based industrial (centralized, top-down capital fixed infrastructure with subservient, controlled employees) age economic model collapses. So the way it collapses and bottoms could be somewhat different than the West (although we see China becoming belligerent to deflect blame for the economic collapse to external scapegoats), but the real point is collectivism wants to parasite on the truly innovative and productive sector which is the Knowledge Age. Google, Facebook, et all are positioned by the oligarchy (yes they funded it and own it, do some research!) to try to hold on to control of and parasite on the Knowledge Age.

But the hackers are never going to give in. They would have to kill a million programmers, and even then another million would sprout from that. So they won't dare to that.

The old is dying. The frontier is rising. Accept it!

And please stop pontificating about the sheep waking up. That never happens and that is not the correct interpretation of what happens. Frontiers with greater economies-of-scale open up which provide an outlet from the collapsing collectivism. The sheep are never the wiser.

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Subject: Self-reliance-- the brake on a Mad Max outcome
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Wed, June 25, 2014 1:05 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/06/24/will-society-ever-wake-up/

There is hope that we can wake before we go to the Dark Age stage – the Mad Max Event. If there were not, I would be building a bunker on an island someplace. This all depends upon society and where it resides at that moment. We have more danger in places like France where people are so reliant upon government which has laid waste to the private sector exactly as communism did in Russia.

The difference between China and Russia is important. In China, they did not try to change the thinking of society, they merely punished those who disagreed openly. Under Stalin, he persecuted people for having a brain. Therefore, China’s rebound has been spectacular because people were NOT reliant upon government. The more a society relies upon government the greater the damage to its economic potential. It requires a control-alt-delete reboot.

It is similar today where we have smart phones. We now push a button to call a friend. Lose the phone and most of us have no idea what phone number to call any more. We become dependent upon the technology. The same is true with government. In Ukraine, the people simply did not trust government and have had an independent streak to always maintain some self-reliance.

The future depends upon that quality. It will vary from region to region even within the same nation. For example, stop the flow of food into NYC and they begin to starve after 10 days. You would see a mass exodus raiding the homes in the suburbs. The city people rely upon someone producing the food 100% and have no land to even grow a tomato. At least in the suburb, they can plant something assuming it is not robbed by another.

Let's not conflate self-reliance with sheep waking up. It is true that self-reliance varies geographically and culturally. It is true that the coming implosion of the sovereign debt bubble will reduce the world to it's respective self-reliant foundations.

Although it is true that the developing world is more self-reliant, this self-reliance sits at a much lower level of subsistence than the level that their economies have been inflated to with massive corporate debt. In short, a significant chunk of their current GDP is reliant on corporate debt. China's corporate debt is the highest in the world.

After the oligarchy collapses the global debt into self-reliance of Armstrong's private wave in 2032, thus placing themselves in the driver's seat to issue new debt at the birth of the public wave. The youth are fully indoctrinated with the idealism of a new public wave society as I had detailed in prior communications wherein I shared the generational wave research.

The oligarchy are moving us into a very 666-like controlled Technocracy for this coming public wave.

In short, the self-reliance of the world is non-existent in the West (for at least 50 - 95% of the population depending on the nation) and it is a just a few hairs above subsistence level in the developing world. Some in the developing world have gained technological skills, but they lack the capital to build it out themselves and they entirely lack the innovative capital to build it in the autonomous, decentralized Knowledge Age that replaces this dying Industrial Age, i.e. chopping off the top of the poppy seeds in China (not allowing anyone to stand up) has destroyed ingenuity and individualism, which is essential for innovation in the individualized Knowledge Age coming.

So here is what will happen. The world will collapse into the peak of the private wave to something a few hairs above subsistence level. The oligarchy will fill the need to reorganize the world on a global standard to restart debt anew at the birth of the public wave 2032.

The hackers will be driving the fledgling Knowledge Age during this interim time, which will be where the real foundational growth in the global economy derives.

Only frontiers have saved humanity. The collective would destroy itself otherwise.

[AnonyMint]

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Subject: Re: Society never wakes up;   stupid question exhibits an ignorant understanding of history
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Wed, June 25, 2014 11:02 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Biometrics are underway in India too.

Armstrong is clueless about the plans underway to create 666 society.

I will pass this on to him without quoting your name.

> Locked in to technocratic neofeudal "socialism" is right.
> Not really news, but I just read a short commentary about Nigerian central banks forcing biometrics on account holders.
> http://www.thedailysheeple.com/central-banks-in-other-countries-to-require-biometrics-to-bank_062014 You tipped me off (from something Martin wrote?) about Larry Summers, Trilateralist with a long rap sheet in the highest positions in
> international banking, saying at the November IMF meeting it was time to move towards digital currency and a cashless society.  Recall Summers was sent to Russia in the mid 90s (when its economy was deliberately imploded by apex globalists) to advise on the privatization of publicly owned assets into the hands of a select few, thus creating the rise of eight powerful oligarchs, seven of whom happened to be Jewish.

[AnonyMint]

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Subject: As Lindsey Williams predicted years ago,  the Middle East will erupted into Muslim war
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Thu, June 26, 2014 1:22 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article46148.html

Pastor Lindsey Williams is friends with retired high level oil industry executives who alerted him years ago to the plans of the global elite to create an Arab Spring to destabilize the Middle East in order to drive all marginal oil supply back to the USA in order to reorganize their global hegemony.

You can clearly see the USA aided and abetted this outcome on purpose starting with destabilizing Iraq, even now not supporting the remaining strong regimes in the region (even refusing to do drone airstrikes) in order to aid it to fall into chaos.

The global elite clearly are implementing their plan to create chaos in order to drive the people of the world into begging for security and order, which can only be provided by the global elite (and their control over all the major sources of production and their capture of the fiat central banking system and thus government).

This is all exactly as portrayed on the strange murals at the Denver airport, where the world is first plunged into chaos, death, and war, before the idealistic youth will join hands in 2032 to usher in a new world order of peace and 666 control.

Meanwhile Martin Armstrong pisses away our time and effort ranting about the irrelevant pawns known as bureaucrats.

Armstrong is a computer programmer. If was really serious, he would be working with us to create the technological solutions.

I wonder if he is working for the global elite? How can he be so blinded to what is going on?

Sheesh!

This is very serious!

[AnonyMint]

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Subject: How the banksters end up owning everything (at the end times of  the Bible)
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Fri, June 27, 2014 12:37 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/06/26/argentina-fights-back/

Argentina is then left with trying to settle with people who were NOT the original investors that they have labelled “vulture funds”. Argentina’s position they have stated bluntly: “7 percent of bondholders did not accept the restructuring. The vulture funds that secured a ruling in their favour are not original lenders to Argentina. They purchased bonds in default at obscenely low prices for the sole purpose of engaging in litigation against Argentina and making an enormous profit. Paul Singer’s NML fund, for example, in 2008 paid only 48.7 million dollars for bonds in default. Judge Griesa’s ruling now orders that it be paid an amount of 832 million dollars, i.e. a gain of 1608 percent in only six years.”

On the one hand, the original investor was willing to settle for less, but the buyer wants 100%. Britain sold student loans for pennies on the pound. They did not give the students the right to pay off those loans at the same rate they sold the loans. There too, the students should have been allowed to pay off their loans at that reduced price.

The globalist bankster business model to own everything:

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/06.11/owntheearth.html

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.10/thinklikeabanker.html

During the collapse of the Soviet Union, a few Oligarchs seized more than half of ALL of the wealth in the former super power

They bought companies the size of Exxon Mobil for a few hundred million dollars. They bought huge tracts of land for nothing, to harvest incredible lumber and minerals. They bought media conglomerates and entire auto and aero industries for pennies on the dollar. The collapse of the Soviet Empire due to its inability to service the debts. This brought about the most amazing transfer of wealth the world has ever seen. Seeming overnight, former cab drivers and teachers became billionaires. Now before you think that these guys were self made men, they were not. They were front men for the Rothschilds and were given hard money and their own banks to go forth and buy assets for pennies on the dollars when there was no money. This is the same thing Greece is going through right now. Greece’s best lands and assets are being sold right now to Elitists for nothing. The Elite will then turn around and raise rates to the consumers and reap huge returns on investment. Again, all with money created out of thin air. What a sick system we have!

Let's not forget the banksters sent your buddy Larry Summers over to Russia after the collapse to coordinate this.

Yet, the nimcompoop Armstrong still thinks it is uncoordinated, myopic bureaucrats running the global system by random chance.

Sheesh!

If he just did a smidgen of research, he can't possibly continue to deny.

[AnonyMint]

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Subject: Selfless Armstrong can't grasp the true nature of the power vacuum  of democracy
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Sat, June 28, 2014 1:42 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/06/28/london-the-labour-socialists/

The socialists argue it is not fair that they do not pay tax on their income to them. But they earn nothing there in Britain – they just spend there income in town. They certainly pay in taxes more than they fair share of any government services, yet what is ignored is they do not have to stay there. If they leave, the unemployment and bankruptcy rate in London would soar...

The problem we have is simply government consumes way too much and it is the lining of their pockets with pensions that can never be paid. It is not that the international rich do not contribute to the local economy for they certainly do. The problem has been government is consuming more than 40% of everything with no end in sight. You cannot tax your way out of this situation. It will never be resolved. Tax the international rich and they will simply leave...

They only way any permanent solution can be accomplished is to reform government and bring it within the means of society.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/06/28/its-about-fairness/

A socialist, of course, would never do that. It is all about taking what someone else earns to get even with the world for their own failures.

Most of us give something at Christmas or Hanukkah for two reasons – (1) we like to see a smile of their face, and (2) it does feel good to give. You can tell a greedy socialist from the outset. They only take and give nothing back and use socialism as a scoreboard to justify themselves basically robbing other people using a pen.

Martin Armstrong is a selfless (unselfish) guy who reminds me in some ways of my grandfather who would LITERALLY give you the shirt off his back if you asked him to without any valid reason needed (unfortunately we mischievous grandchildren actually tested that theory). I love that man, so sad he is no longer will us. See his image at my sister's college graduation (CPA like him) attached.

Because of his desire to see people basically as good, Martin apparently can't comprehend that nonevil (normal, good) people do collectively selfish things unknowingly and this is nature. Martin is thus hell bent on blaming bureaucrats and other overtly selfish people for the problem of democracy. Armstrong apparently thinks he could just eliminate the selfish ones, then nirvana would be achieved.

Tonight at dinner in Davao, Mindanao, Philippines, I met an older man from Norway. He seemed to be a very cordial, jovial, unselfish (he offered me a free beer which I declined because I don't drink), and upstanding person (he mentioned the Australian who was caught in Cebu this week with a dozen minors in his resort hotel room).

Then he told me he admired the Russian (communism) model, but he lamented the socialism model failed because of corruption. I mentioned the potential EU collapse, and he mentioned rampant speculators in stocks as his logic for the cause. I told him that businesses would leave Europe because the taxes (and regulations) were too high.

His perspective is that a fair society is one that takes care of everyone and that companies can afford to pay taxes and that evasion must be stopped on a global basis. He was all in support of the destruction of the sovereignty of these developing countries who are being ushered into the global Technocracy system. His point is the only way to have a fair society is the have control over all the corruption, thus Technocracy (666-like) system is fair.

This is the way many (perhaps up to half or more) of the people of the world think. They are not selfish, evil people. They just believe that big corporations would keep everything for themselves if they weren't taxed.

What these people don't realize of course is that global elite are managing this march to a global Technocracy, and that giving everyone everything guaranteed demotivates people to compete and innovate.

So the failure of the power vacuum of democracy has nothing to do with personal selfish and unselfish attitudes.

It has everything to do with the ignorance in the Bell Curve. And this can never be changed.

Nature periodically culls the population due to its ignorant desire for socialism. This is natural.

Only frontiers have ever provided a release valve from socialism collapsing (even into a Dark Age).

There has never been and never will be a permanent fix.

In fact, a permanent fix would be so against thermodynamics and the factors which motivate the creation of knowledge and life itself, that I am really surprised Armstrong hasn't come to this conclusion. I urge him to read the following blog article of mine very, very carefully and take some quite time to reflect on the science of it:

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html

[AnonyMint]

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Subject: Global elite managing the dumb sheeople
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Sat, June 28, 2014 2:51 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Come on Martin, wake up from your myopic idealism and naivete.

The USA and Russia are working together to destroy Ukraine's sovereignty, because the people there tried to be somewhat self-reliant. The global elite want to destroy all attempts at self-reliance as this competes with their global hegemony plans.

The USA (and global elite) knew far in advance about ISIS and did nothing:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182064#.U68KFkAryho

Because they are the ones who designed and fostered this outcome. They want to destabilize the Middle East as this serves several objectives in terms of moving the self-reliant portions of the world into the 666-like Technocracy.

Do you remember the quote of Kissinger promising "blue hats" in the USA one day. And so now it approaches:

http://www.infowars.com/un-accelerates-plan-for-global-gun-confiscation-after-collapse/

This is why they destroyed the USA and Europe with multi-culturalism, feminism, environmentalism, etc...

http://www.infowars.com/uc-professor-immigration-influx-is-about-re-education-of-society/

How much longer are you going to remain a buffoon?

I expect a man of your intellect can be rational and learn.

[AnonyMint]

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Subject: Global elite to control all real property tracked in the 666-like  Technocracy
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Sat, June 28, 2014 3:06 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/06/28/collapse-of-democracy-in-europe/

I have explained numerous times that to cover up defaults, you need to change the system. This is what we see underway here in Europe. They are pushing even Basel IV that will be the usurpation of all control to the Bank of International Settlements and the IMF. They fear massive bank failures and sovereign debt failures and they are not prepared to reform the monetary system for fear of a loss of power. Therefore, they are seeking to usurp ALL power and create essentially a de facto communist-style state that controls every aspect of the economy. They will stop short of communism insofar as actually taking title to all property. Instead, this will be more of a fascist type state where you retain ownership in name, but they dictate what can and cannot be done. Moving to electronic currency is part of the game. They will cut off the underground economy in their eyes and force everything into the open. Spain has passed new laws allowing the taxation of bank accounts directly. This is what we see on the future after 2015.75.

This is not a collapse of democracy. This _IS_ the power vacuum of democracy. The NPs will whine, but when push comes to shove, most of the socialists citizens want their cake and eat it too, so they will acquiesce to the power that feeds them government entitlements, such as free healthcare, pensions, etc..

Can any say "anonymous crypto-currency"?

Only frontiers have ever saved collective mankind sheepeople from their themselves.

[AnonyMint]

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Subject: Successful people don't waste time
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Sun, June 29, 2014 12:18 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/06/28/22227/

My point is not to protect the billionaires – it is to protect society from those that plunder everything we have. The only viable solution is to restrict the size of government. I disagree with the social state for it would be cheaper for just about everything to be private and far less corruption. They started the income tax swearing they were only targeting the rich – lie. Then they started the payroll tax so they could give you social security – now people pay more in SS than taxes and they keep raising the age and reducing the payouts. If you want to believe these people are honest and care about you, great. Have a nice dream. When it comes time to collect – well you will discover your entire life trusting them was wrong. Then what? You die in some ditch dead broke and nothing to support you when you can no longer work?

Martin surely you are smart enough to realize that the socialist citizens who believe in socialism will never listen to what you are writing above.

And those who will listen to you do not have the power to overthrow the corrupt governments and rescue the socialist citizens from themselves. The corrupt governments have the power because the socialist citizens give it to them and will not wake up.

So why are you wasting time?

I hope I can read something from you soon which realistic.

What you should be doing with your valuable time and resources instead is working on replacing the internet with an anonymous decentralized model that will provide an outlet for free speech and virtual commerce. Tor is and other low-latency chaum mix-nets are not immune to NSA snooping. We need something better.

And you should be advising people on how to opt-out of the morass, so they can continue to do commerce (investing, etc) as the entire global morass crashes into the abyss.

I don't see any way to opt-out and separate myself from those socialist citizens other than with anonymity technology on the internet.

I could buy stocks and real estate, but eventually the socialism will so bankrupt itself (i.e. the 10% confiscation in Europe will worsen the economy and demand greater confiscation rates) that it will clawback any such investments as these are traceable.

You are hoping the people will blink and such a Dark Age will be averted.

The people are rising up as predicted by your model, but it appears to me this will be symbolic only and all will remain within the socialist system, because the western world is dominated by old boomers who depend on the free entitlements. Even most of the youth have been indoctrinated into socialism, feminism, gay rights, environmentalism, student debt, etc.. See Greece, Ireland, and Ukraine as recent examples of uprisings that failed. The powers-that-be are successfully destroying the self-reliant cultures in these nations and moving many of the citizens further onto their system of dependence and debt.

Thus I don't believe the USA will successfully disintegrate. Third parties will rise, but Hillary Clinton will win the next dictatorship in 2016 and she will lockdown the USA with militarized police and UN "gun control specialists". They will open the floodgates on immigration as necessary to achieve the Hillary popular vote.

You are conflating the rising tide of discontent in your model with a successful disintegration away from socialism, but in fact the socialism is becoming more engrained everywhere except in Iceland. Which is exactly what I predicted in my 2010 essay which was widely syndicated on the internet:

http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Understand%20Everything%20Fundamentally.html#europe

http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/understand-everything-fundamentally

Coase’s theorem says that an inefficient internal order will continue for as long as there remains an unavoidable frictional barrier insulating it from the more efficient external possibilities. The fundamental reason the EU crisis will not result in a disintegration of the union, at least not until its people significantly abandon collectivism, is that organisms which are unable to comprehend the mechanism by which they are consuming resources faster than their ecosystem can replenish, thus are unable to stop the mechanism before they perish. So the implosion of the friction and thus the order only occurs when they perish, because they will continue to repeat the mechanism which they do not understand to be a cause of their suffering. This can be verified in a petri dish, as an organism will reproduce until it consumes all of its food or oxygen. Due to the lack of a pre-frontal cortex, it is unable to comprehend the connection of reproduction to unsustainability. Unfortunately, even though humans have a pre-frontal cortex, they do not comprehend that debt, insurance, bonds, fractional reserve money, and centralized governance, cause the demand (and thus production) of resources to be overconcentrated in sectors of the ecosystem that create a less productive future. In the next section, I will explain that these financialization mechanisms cause collective failure and thus demand ever increasing centralization (i.e. “too big to fail”), because from their inception they all pool capital. Thus they are always collectivism.

    “It amazes that otherwise bright people can’t understand the simple concept that economic collapse doesn’t convert collectivists into anarchists.”

Thus the people are blind to the mechanism which is enslaving them and reducing their prosperity. Thus, since they will not change the mechanism, centralization of governance will grow stronger from the current financial crisis, and will diminish only when the involved organisms perish. Entropy is continuously culling the center of the bell curve so that knowledge can advance. I make no political judgment when I state factually that these mega-death cullings take many forms, e.g. abortions kill 42 million annually, it is reasonable to assume birth control probably more than that, some statistics claim that governments and wars have killed a couple 100 million in the past century, totalitarianism (the political end of pooling resources) kills millions, drugs and medications probably kill millions, cancer rates are double in the ‘developed’ world (the countries with financialization), and arguably GMO food may add to that. I am not making a political judgment on reproduction, rather to state the fact that actuarial economics are constrained and politically intractable without a sufficient population of youth. And as will be explained with the entropic force, it is the antithesis of knowledge formation, to a have uniform (replicated) social action.

    “Currency wars are like [...] slap wars, trade wars is where the knives come out.”

        “Currency wars > trade wars > hot wars.”

Europe is predominantly retirees (low or negative birth rates exacerbate this), that own various european country bonds via their retirement plans. If interest rates go up, the bond values decline, and their retirement is toast. The politics is to appease subconscious denial, which is why you see Merkel talking tough and simultaneously making gradual steps towards centralized printing and fiscal controls. The savers want to penalize the non-savers, under some illusion that they can convert the non-savers, but they don’t accept culpability for causing the problem with a collectivist form of saving. If the collectivist non-savers were converted to collectivist savers, then who would borrow? Illogical.

Thus, the savers are blind to the fact they too are collectivists. Productive europeans (e.g. Germans) want to have a fixed interest rate return by loaning money to less productive sectors who can buy their exports. Now they want to deny they are subconsciously in support of money printing, because they also don’t want their fixed income to disintegrate (even though it will be debased either way). Due to the psychological phenomenon of ‘false attribution error’ (i.e. blaming the stone that one tripped on, a form of cognitive dissonance), they want to be the victim who will spank and control the bad PIIGS, via increased centralized control. Neither the savers nor the borrowers are the victim, they all are collectivists and being culled by the entropic force. Note, Germany’s debt ratio is as bad as the USA and Canada.

Fiscal centralization to come next (link explains how), with copious money printing and centralized rationing (i.e. austerity and/or price controls). The recent health care legislation in the USA, is price controls and rationing. The only prosperous fix for health care, was to eliminate insurance a priori so that individuals could maximize and individualize their preparations for aging. I will explain that pooled savings, i.e. insurance, is collectivism and thus automatically wasted.

My outlook is optimistic, in that those who understand how to avoid collectivism, facilitate maximum knowledge formation and efficiency of market fitness, will prosper and (they and their offspring will) survive entropic culling.

[AnonyMint]

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Subject: Armstrong's amazing economics correlation prediction models
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Fri, July 4, 2014 9:03 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Kudos to Martin Armstrong (the former $1+ trillion hedge fund manager of the Japanese Postal fund-- largest fund ever) on getting back focused on his expert computerized A.I. models (and stop wasting time trying to convince socialist citizens to reform themselves or blaming everything on bureaucrats and not also on the socialist citizens)...

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/07/03/then-now-always-the-same/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/07/02/when-will-the-monetary-system-crack/

This previous 8.6 year wave that peaked in 2007.15 was just the beginning with the realization of the Sovereign Debt Crisis. The current wave that peaks in 2015.75 should start the debt crisis with more government being forced into insolvency. This is what the IMF proposal is all about and the Fed looking to impose an exit tax on the most liquid market in the world – US debt. The next wave 2024.35 will be the pulling apart of the world monetary system and the peak of this wave in 2032.95 is most likely where the tangible assets rise as a store of value in a world of uncertainty with respect to the medium of exchange.

Regarding the comparison of today to the peak and decline of the Athens empire, I note from the following chronological timeline:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_ancient_Greece

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/democracy/qt/121009AthensTimeline.htm

So 408 B.C. for Athens should correlate to 2032 A.D. for us now. Interestingly we see that in 433-432 B.C. the Greek empire coalition fails and infighting begins. That was 24-25 years before the peak in 408 (count backwards in B.C. time) so that would correspond to 2007-8 now which is exactly when the first stage of the sovereign debt crisis exploded with Sub-Prime defaults in the USA.

Also note that infighting was due to economic decline and a fight for available resources, which is similar now to how teachers' unions in the USA are saying to raise taxes to pay their salaries and retirement plans. Raising taxes will further implode economic activity and collapse the economy. The problem is we spent more than we had, and now the defaults and decline are unavoidable.

We can see on the timeline that up until 426-425, Athens grew stronger than the peripheral regions and was defeating them. Then by 414 (which will correspond to our 2016), Athens (which corresponds to our USA) started to fall weaker than the periphery in battle.

The USA is clearly coming stronger right now as capital is fleeing the rest of the world (periphery) and into USA stocks and real estate as a safe haven. But 2016 will mark the peak of the USA.

Then you can see that by 416-415 (our 2024), Athens (the USA!) falls to massacres and total chaos.

And then by 408 (our 2032), Athens falls over a cliff economically and socially until hitting rock bottom in 404.

Then after 404, the public wave starts where even Socrates is executed by the idealistic youth government that takes over. Don't forget the generational wave research I shared previously which predicts this nasty Orwellian control aspect of the public wave which follows 2032:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=594024.msg6551625#msg6551625

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.msg6551755#msg6551755


So here is what we can expect. USA will grow stronger until 2016, then it will decline until finally total chaos by 2024. There could be a lot of war before 2024, probably after 2018 or so. Between 2024 and 2032 will be total chaos as the world fights capitulation, until there is finally total capitulation in 2032 and then we crash into a global economic bottom by 2036.

So 2016 is the beginning of the slide into the abyss. And it will get worse until 2036. Twenty years of worsening suffering.

But during that time, high technology (e.g. robotics, 3d printing, crypto-currency) will prosper and many in high tech will become very rich. Remember the Oxford study in 2013 predicted 47% of all existing jobs will be replaced by computer automation with the 20 years to 2032-33.

This period will be very unfamiliar to most people as the world is shifting from socialism to autonomous, decentralized sovereign high tech individuals.

The Knowledge Age is replacing the Industrial Age:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.0

Collectivized society will decline and shrink economically into a bottom in 2036, while the Knowledge Age will grow all during this period.

This is my final communication.


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Subject: Question: timing on the bottom for BRICs, NICs?
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Fri, July 4, 2014 1:17 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Okay Western civilization falls off the capitulation cliff 2032 and
bottoms 2036 as the Public Wave begins.

When do the BRICs, NICs countries bottom?

How far back do they collapse? 1992 level? 1999 level? 2007 level?

[allsopfree]

Ok i didn't understand even the first 5 lines. Sorry to say, whole topic is much of the bullshit.

[pinky]

Ok i didn't understand even the first 5 lines. Sorry to say, whole topic is much of the bullshit.

It's nothing wrong with this brilliant topic, it's your IQ that cannot grasp and you have to make idiotic reply (your defense mechanism) as you wouldn't feel sheer stupidness.

[AnonyMint]

Re: Where's the exit ouf of the labyrinth?

There was a private message in my Inbox that I should quote anonymously and include my reply... so this is really the last communication...

Exploiting informationally is a form of knowledge and creates value in the sense of both culling and teaching.

Rather I'd summarize my advice as become more autonomous, which is what the Knowledge Age essentially entails (see my seminal 2010 essays linked at the OP of the Economics Devastation thread). See my blog "Information is Alive!" and the salient point being that each human is unique and this is the fundamental value in terms of fitness, resilience and the progression of knowledge.

Contradiction must exist because otherwise perfection must, but as I pointed out in the latest two essays on my blog (unheresy.com), infinite speed of light (perfection) would collapse the future into the present and there could be no change, no friction, no waves, no boom & bust, and thus no existence and no life.

Autonomy doesn't require paranoia, rather just a love of freedom and life as defined above. The centralized morass is always failing and falling behind the maverick individual creators who go out there and make their mark on the world.

Note I simply must quote you anonymously in a public post. You raise a very important misunderstanding.

Hello Anonymint,

I want to thank you for sharing all your knowledge with us. It's a bit hard to grasp at first as it's disseminated between many different posts but you make it all more easy to follow by quoting yourself as much as you can. I deeply appreciate that!

I don't see the whole structure of the system yet, nor do I have all your arguments in mind. But If I'd have to sum up the best course of actions one's should take in order to live - and not only survive - the coming decades, would it be something like : stop pursuing money, instead pursue knowledge, because we are shifting to a new era where your brain will be your capital?

This is a very important issue to me as it's the contrary to what I've done so far in my youth. To make money I should have created value, instead I've exploited people lack of information, for this is what trading is. I should change that. I am ashamed of it.

On the other hand, there was something I wanted to ask you for a long time. I read this quote, I dont know if it's from you or not but it reminded me of a problem I have in my life.

> Is it possible Armstrong represents an archetype of
> denial that once effectively cornered and challenged, responds in the
> highly irrational way Chomsky has in the past employing doublethink?  For
> instance, Chomsky is on record saying if 9/11 was a false flag then it
> would be the most monumental historical event in modern times and then
> when cornered with evidence says even if 9/11 was a false flag it is of no
> important consequence.  Which is it?

It's not about 9/11, it's about the reasoning behind, specifically about the law of non-contradiction as this is what Chomsky really gave up. I've been brought up in a family where that kind of thought was the law, where to survive you had to give up on the most basic laws of thinking. I still have trouble with it. I know my thinking has been impaired and I don't know how to cure myself. I went to study philosophy for that purpose, but after 3 years, it's starting to feel more and more like indoctrination than anything else. I wasn't given the keys to clear thinking. Either french teachers don't know how to transmit them, either they don't want us to think critically. As the time pass, I've been more and more interested in logic and physics, specifically in their laws. This is what I lack. I don't want to think through analogies anymore. I want clarity.

Also, I feel that the environment I've been brought up during my childhood looks like the environment that today's elite are creating; and it is functioning because of laws such as :

- A Manichean/binary law, either you are with us, either you are against us;
- A Submissive law that forbids any type of contradiction that attacks the roots of their system;
- A law of secrecy that lets them operate in the dark and prevents whistle-blowers to come out as they would been branded as crazy because what they would tell is outside of the imagination of most people.

It implies an individual, paranoid and submissive behavior because you can only count on yourself, and because in the end everyone is a potential agent of the system and because your survival depend of the goodwill of those at the head of the system.

Most of the time, I feel like Theseus inside the Labyrinth of the Minotaure. I'm desperately looking for the exit, if you can point me to the exit, I'd would like it very much!

[taylortyler]

So AnonyMint, you don't think that Bitcoin has what it takes to succeed because it's not anonymous and is too centralized through large mining pools? Are there any alt currencies that you think have to potential to succeed?

[AnonyMint]

So AnonyMint, you don't think that Bitcoin has what it takes to succeed because it's not anonymous and is too centralized through large mining pools? Are there any alt currencies that you think have to potential to succeed?

Keep you eye on the alts.


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Subject: An example of the fledging Knowledge Age the world is entering
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Sun, July 6, 2014 8:19 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Before I terminate my communications, a concrete example of the more autonomous, decentralized Knowledge Age in action...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/914635363/lace-anchors-20-a-simple-design-for-simple-people

The frontiers are where the free thinkers are headed, as is always the case and always the only solution to dying socialism.

Also Armstrong seems to have realized it...but I hope he realizes is it not just tangible assets, rather intellectual property that is the most significant frontier...

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/07/06/getting-off-the-grid-cars-as-well/

Government just do not get it. They are in serious trouble and the top 10% (free thinkers not richest) are moving be it stamps, coins, cars, art, real estate, whatever.

[heskey]

When I contemplate the world view that AnonyMint is portraying, I get struck with a feeling of sadness - partly because I realize that it is true, but even more so because you seem to be overlooking the spiritual aspect of life. (From my interpretation of what you write)

One might argue that spirituality has no real supporting evidence, that we are merely a more sophisticated category of apes, and that getting into this stuff is more of a hang-up that ultimately is to be counted as a weakness in the course of nature.
As I see it, life then becomes a matter of carefully considered decisions, "according to that fact I should or should not do this". It also strengthens the scale of measurement and comparison, some people simply becomes waste of time, because of their inability to comprehend or interpret 'reality' correctly.

But if we take one step back. As we assume that there is no such thing as soul or spirituality, or that these things are to be viewed as an illusory matter - this does imply that life itself is meaningless, because that 'thing' which is directing our actions and decisions, really doesn't exist. Therefore no actions becomes false, and we could just as well kill ourselves or drink excessive amounts of beer, as to be struggling with the survival in a painful world?

When I look at the world today, when I look inwards and on the people around me, I see the 1000's of years of misery that we all carry. The hate, the envy, the doubt, the lack of care, and the judgements we pass on each other - it sure is hell for many of us.
But behind all that I also see the reasons - the frightened egos, the narrow-mindedness, the lack of understanding. If we could understand each other and go deep into our misery, pain and agony which has grown out of a million years of evolution - perhaps we would seek to heal, to feel and to help one another.

I think your deep insights into society actually is the reflection of insights that goes just as deep within our psyche. What we need to understand is not how to survive as a fragment in a collapsing world, but rather how we can change the whole by changing our own contribution.

I would like to remind everyone of the point I'm making here. Clearly you are a very intelligent person AnonyMint, with the eyes of a falcon - but you are still missing, or avoiding to include the philosophical factor that is a part of life. The world within - if we cant understand ourselves, we cant understand each other, and if we cant understand each other we will continuously create wars and try to dominate each other.
If we look outside ourselves we see the projection of our collective inner world.

As Carl Jung said “Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes" although it appears to go both ways.

The 'dark enlightenment' is a reference to a new era, and that new era will amount to as much of the inner world as of the outer world - that is my statement.

[heskey]

Also, take a look at this.
http://youtu.be/YJpyf_5nLEs?t=5m46s

[AnonyMint]

One more time...



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Subject: Govt fines banks,  banks will "bailin" (default on deposits) of the people
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Wed, July 9, 2014 3:09 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/07/09/banksters-more-fines-european-bail-ins-coming-to-canada/

Banksters More Fines – European Bail-ins Coming to Canada

Citigroup Inc is reported to be close to paying about $7 billion in fines to resolve a U.S. probe into whether it defrauded investors on billions of dollars worth of mortgage securities in the run-up to the financial crisis, reported News Daily. The USA has discovered a cash-cow and the banks have paid now over $100 billion in fines. Their activity is starting to bite them in the ass because the cost of government rises and there is now a competition among agencies to bring in money through fines and penalties to prevent job cuts.

The US prosecution has always gone after people not in New York, This trend has been serious internationally as they took down the Swiss banking system destroying most small banks, then they were after France’s BNP, and Germany’s Commerzbank, which now faces a fine of 500 million euros for illegal transactions with Iran, Sudan, North Korea, Myanmar and Cuba...

...The “bail-in” policies in Europe are now migrating to Canada. Even Moody’s has warned that Canada could be in trouble because the government that is moving to the same European directives of using bail-ins – just taking the money from Canadian’s bank accounts...

...Government is now milking the banks for everything they can get.

Martin Armstrong, I hope you realize this is just an indirect way of confiscating the assets of the populace. And the powers-that-be (i.e. the banksters such as Rockefeller) are not paying these fines, rather the populace is going to pay it with bailins. In 2008, they put all the bad paper on the Fed's balance sheet, now as they unwind it they will transfer it on to the banks' balance sheets then confiscate all the assets of the populace.

Always the universe is stealing and threatening those who work hard and try to be productive. Debt is a major tool of the bankster business model as explained in the following linked essays:

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.10/thinklikeabanker.html

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/06.11/owntheearth.html

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/07.11/venice.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=984 (Iron Law of Political Economics)


This is why economies collapse into war periodically throughout history. 2015 or 2016 will introduce the next hard down phase of bail-ins, and this time the populace will be impoverished unlike in 2008 when the government just handed out free money (except for the youth in southern Europe which got up to 60% unemployment which is now spreading to France, then next year to all of Europe).

My question to you is will India and China bottom in 2020? Will the developing nations (with their low levels of government handouts) improve after 2020 as the West goes into a morass and collapse of socialism until the 2032 bottom?

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/11/04/15435/




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Subject: We will repeat (modernized version of) the 18th century
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Wed, July 9, 2014 3:39 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Both of the war cycles turned upwards 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vABHfXRlAI#t=1084

Martin explains there is a 26 year international war cycle and a 309 cycle for domestic civil unrest. Both cycles turned up as of 2014.

Look what happened the last time both cycles turned at the same time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18th_century#Events


Expect technology to be different, so expect cyberwar as well as shooting wars. Expect use of unmanned drones as well...