Is having an alt account a crime ? Why red trust for having one ?

[nikjain422]

I do admit that I have one alt account but "The Pharmacist" blames me saying I am account farmer. I am not an account farmer and I don't know how should I prove it. I am sure he can't either. I do not deserve a red trust for this.
Yahoo has also red trusted me saying I have cheated eroiy campaign but I have not. Instead of sending him the btc address through my account I accidentally sent him the address through my alt account. He red trusted me for that and I do not deserve it.

I have followed the rules of the forum and since having an alt account is not against the rules I do not deserve to be red trusted.
I do respect yahoo but blaming me for the crimes which I have not done is not fair.

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[TryNinja]

You have 10 accounts that you use to spam and join bounties/signature campaigns so you can make money. Not only this, but you also gave yourself fake positive trusts between your alt accounts. Why would you have 10 accounts if not to maximize your earnings while spamming as many shitposts as possible?

You can't be trusted.

I have followed the rules of the forum and since having an alt account is not against the rules I do not deserve to be red trusted.

Yes, it's not against the rules. Otherwise, all your accounts would have been banned. That's why you only got a negative trust instead of a perma ban.

[Thanasis]

Having alt account is not a crime but if you are using those alt-accounts for cheating the campaigns then it is a crime and you will get a red tag if DT found that.It looks you are enrolling your multiple accounts into a campaign gave you the red trust initially so other DT also can consider that you are an account farmer making accounts for joining on the bounties.
But once you red tag there is no difference in getting multiple times of them so don't worry about the new feedback it will be considered same as the old one.

[nikjain422]

You have 10 accounts that you use to spam and join bounties/signature campaigns so you can make money. Not only this, but you also gave yourself fake positive trusts between your alt accounts. Why would you have 10 accounts if not to maximize your earnings while spamming as many shitposts as possible?

You can't be trusted.

I have followed the rules of the forum and since having an alt account is not against the rules I do not deserve to be red trusted.

Yes, it's not against the rules. Otherwise, all your accounts would have been banned. That's why you only got a negative trust instead of a perma ban.

What 10 accounts are you talking about ? I just have 2 accounts including this one.
Please stop blaming others if you don't have a proof. Let my posts be shitposts if you consider it so but I don't have any more than 2 accounts.

[TryNinja]

What 10 accounts are you talking about ? I just have 2 accounts including this one.
Please stop blaming others if you don't have a proof. Let my posts be shitposts if you consider it so but I don't have any more than 2 accounts.

All the evidence is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg36254804#msg36254804

[nikjain422]

What 10 accounts are you talking about ? I just have 2 accounts including this one.
Please stop blaming others if you don't have a proof. Let my posts be shitposts if you consider it so but I don't have any more than 2 accounts.

All the evidence is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg36254804#msg36254804

I can't believe this. I swear on GOD I don't have any connection with the rest of the accounts. Preditor422 is my alt account as you can see the last 3 digits are the same as this account. You can ban all the rest  accounts and I don't give a damn. I don't see any connection between my accounts and theirs.
nikjain422  and preditor422 are my accounts . I don't have any more accounts than this.

[LeGaulois]

I have no problem if a member has another account because, for example, he needs it to represent his site/business. However, 99.9% of users with multiple accounts here don't use it to do highly desirable things. Years ago it wasn't a real problem to have more than 1 account here, it was acceptable. (I even think there was no problem if you were involved in the same campaign) But since people started to abuse the forum,  most of the "normal" users don't appreciate it.
So don't complain about a situation you guys created yourselves.

[1993jochico]

I can't believe this. I swear on GOD I don't have any connection with the rest of the accounts. Preditor422 is my alt account as you can see the last 3 digits are the same as this account. You can ban all the rest  accounts and I don't give a damn. I don't see any connection between my accounts and theirs.
nikjain422  and preditor422 are my accounts . I don't have any more accounts than this.

Of course you will never admit it and you only want to take nikjain422 back because it is the highest rank on your accounts and you cant afford to lose it because you know to yourself that you cant earn merit by posting shit.

Dude its just 10 merit's to be a "member" its not that hard if you learn how to use this forum properly.

[marlboroza]

All the evidence is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg36254804#msg36254804

Yahoo's screenshot is solid proof of connection between OP and account preditor422.

Connection between OP and other 7-8 accounts is:

Name:    nikjain422
Last Active:    April 29, 2018, 06:28:59 AM

Name:    LamontFalkner
Last Active:    April 29, 2018, 08:08:14 PM

Name:    MarlonDamon
Last Active:    April 29, 2018, 10:24:39 PM

 

Are we going to take "nikjain422 was active on 6 AM and LamontFalkner was active on 8 PM" as solid proof? I don't think so.

More likely is that Glomerulus22 accidentally copied his alt account's ID "U=1277719"(nikjain422, preditor422) while investigating. But that is only assumption. *

Yahoo has also red trusted me saying I have cheated eroiy campaign but I have not. Instead of sending him the btc address through my account I accidentally sent him the address through my alt account. He red trusted me for that and I do not deserve it.

This is not so hard to prove.

I don't see any of these accounts here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3002004.0;all or here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3002007.0;all so looking at reference link, I figured there was another signature thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827626.msg28977175#msg28977175

Looking at that screenshot https://imgur.com/kFjoDTp account predito422 was in Eroiy signature campaign while account  nikjain422  was in EBCOIN signature campaign.

PM "do we have to apply again or we get in directly" indicates that someone who was already in Eroiy's campaign wants to know answer, and they probably logged in to wrong accounts.

So, question is - did both accounts enroll or have tried to enroll in campaign? My logic is telling me they figured that they sent PM from wrong account and then they sent identical PM from alt account only few minutes later.

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[HCP]

I honestly don't see any connection between nikjain422/predito422 and the other supposed alts.

Honestly, that "known alts" thread has turned into a total witch hunt and accounts are being "linked" on very circumstantial "evidence"

Note: can't comment on the supposed merit farming between the two 422 accounts... It doesn't show on the 120days merit report and no one archived it

[LoyceMobile]

I honestly don't see any connection between nikjain422/predito422 and the other supposed alts.

Me neither! Collecting evidence is terrible on a phone, but I'll give it a shot.

Note: can't comment on the supposed merit farming between the two 422 accounts... It doesn't show on the 120days merit report and no one archived it

Several people archive the merit history, see http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/1277719.html for example. It confirms sending 1 merit to his alt.
I wouldn't call this farming, it's just 1 merit. That means the second part of this statement isn't true:

yahoo62278 identifies nikjain422 and preditor422 as being alts... both give each-other merits here and here

Abusing the same signature campaign isn't contested here, so I assume that part is true.

[marlboroza]

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Abusing the same signature campaign isn't contested here, so I assume that part is true.

Where is abuse part? 

I don't see it and I can't find it.

For example, if DarkStar_ close chipmixer signature campaign and after some time reopens it, and you ask them from this account "do I need to join again" and after few minutes you ask them the same question from main account, should both accounts be tagged for abusing campaigns?

From all information collected I see only 1 account was in that campaign.

[LoyceV]

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Abusing the same signature campaign isn't contested here, so I assume that part is true.

Where is abuse part?  

I don't see it and I can't find it.

You're right. It was contested in the OP, I overlooked that (I really hate phone screens!).

For example, if DarkStar_ close chipmixer signature campaign and after some time reopens it, and you ask them from this account "do I need to join again" and after few minutes you ask them the same question from main account, should both accounts be tagged for abusing campaigns?

From all information collected I see only 1 account was in that campaign.

This sounds like a very reasonable explanation, which should at least count as "reasonable doubt".

It seems like some people are now "collateral damage" from the large number of cheaters, spammers and copy/pasters, and the case against OP is far from airtight.

@OP: you should probably move (bottom-left) this thread to Reputation. Mods aren't going to help you, Reputation is the right board to discuss this.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Changed feedback to something more appropriate.  But I'm questioning why this member would send the same PM to Yahoo62278 asking the same question if he had no intention of getting both accounts into the same campaign.  Either way I don't trust him, and the neg I just left is going to stay.  

Marlboroza, I respect your opinion but I think a red tag is appropriate here.

Then again, I too respect your opinion, so let's agree to disagree

We can agree to that.  If I didn't have nagging suspicions about this guy, I would have deleted the feedback altogether.  I respect your position as well.

He sent 1 Merit only (and that's probably all he had to give as a Member), 2 weeks after Merit was introduced. I would barely call this merit abuse, and in my opinion it's far too little to justify red trust.

I would argue that it was never alright to send merits to your alt accounts.  Yes, it was a new thing back in Jan/Feb, but it was obvious even then that meriting alts was not acceptable.

[LoyceV]

Changed feedback to something more appropriate.

Current trust: "Abused merit system by sending merits to his admitted alt account.".
He sent 1 Merit only (and that's probably all he had to give as a Member), 2 weeks after Merit was introduced. I would barely call this merit abuse, and in my opinion it's far too little to justify red trust.

Then again, I too respect your opinion, so let's agree to disagree

[athanz88]

This story is interesting and all of you guys opinion are great. I think it is hard to guess the reasons why he got the red tag though since the account is not in the same campaign and the merit abuse is kinda acceptable for some and not for the others.

Maybe we need yahoo62278's word about his red tag and explain it further? I really hope he can come to this thread and tell us the reasons.

[coinlocket$]

Accounts are proven alts, so if they enrolled the same yahoo's campaing they abused it

They used the same BTC address

Code:

38QMoiXdgWJrgRRWhTBtZgtdrKKPeePem1

ACCOUNT: nikjain422

MSG https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2679182.msg27386110#msg27386110 -> ARCHIVE http://archive.is/eNgwA#selection-523.13-523.47

ACCOUNT: preditor422

MSG https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2745185.msg28070243#msg28070243 -> ARCHIVE http://archive.is/nzLt7#selection-1589.17-1589.51

[marlboroza]

Accounts are proven alts

We know that  

so if they enrolled the same yahoo's campaing they abused it

Did they?

Marlboroza, I respect your opinion

It's not my opinion - connection is not good.

Look at this logic(don't ask me how I figured this):

Account TheUltraElite ID: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=878630
Account marlboroza ID: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=787736

User ID's are very close.

TheUltraElite was last time active September 01, 2018, 06:46:58 PM...


...while my last post was posted only 5 minutes before that on: September 01, 2018, 06:41:06 PM



Both of us were in FortuneJack's signature campaign(Theultraelite still is).

They use ["hr"] the same as I do, also " "[1], they make this grammar mistakes "Dont", "Its", "Thats" which I used to do 2 years ago etc. Also, if you look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=878630;sa=showPosts;start=3380 you will see that they started this "journey" [1] in microearning section, the same as I did.

I can probably connect dozens accounts like this with my account, the same way I can connect dozens accounts with your account or anyone else's account, such connections are very dangerous - I am not sure why timelord sometimes connects accounts this way and it is  first reason why I countered this - second reason is I can't find where both accounts enrolled in yahoo's campaign - I see only 2 PM's which in my opinion isn't reason to tag someone.

red tag is appropriate here.

Well, about that, I can only repeat what LoyceV said  

I too respect your opinion, so let's agree to disagree

[pugman]

TP,you shouldn't take half of Timelord's connections. They hardly make any sense. No offense to timelord2067, but still doesn't change the reality. He even accused me of being TheUltraElite's alt just because we used the edit button a lot, and used to report the same type of accounts and we used to use the word "This". Strong connection,don't you think?

The OP really doesn't deserve a negative for that, sending a Pm from an alt account could be an honest mistake, and a red tag for it is beyond too much.

[r1s2g3]

I will just add everybody should add a neutral trust between all alt accounts claiming that they are alt accounts of the main account. I think when things are transparent from beginning  they need not be investigated.

I think nobody will abuse anything. (whether it is DT power or bounty).