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[LoupGaroux]

I can only wonder how a coding class would make anyone accept the concept of "trusted nodes" which should actually be called "co-conspirator nodes"? Even if the proverbial 10,000 monkeys put together the most streamlined, crisp, never breaks at all wonder-code for sc, nothing can change the fact that the concept is fatally flawed. Who wants something where one person can dictate changes and values at will? It doesn't work in this model. Perhaps there is a community of intellectual troglodytes somewhere on the planet who have need of a value transfer mechanism that can be manipulated by a single sociopath. And maybe they can use those tokens to buy rides on a short bus to the head shop, or a ticket to see pigs fly, but here in the real world? Shortbus coins are as useless as tits on a boar. And about as desirable.

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[stryker]

its possible, should the SC network grow in size and power then the trusted nodes would become redundant.... they were only really needed because of the asses that would destroy a new alt chain while its starting out.

[DeathAndTaxes]

its possible, should the SC network grow in size and power then the trusted nodes would become redundant.... they were only really needed because of the asses that would destroy a new alt chain while its starting out.

You don't honestly believe that do you?

You think it is a coincidence that King RealScam owns 100% of the control nodes (they have nothing to do w/ trust).
You think it is a coincidence that the network can't operate without consent of the control nodes.
You think it is a coincidence that after giving himself 12M+ coins and then early adopter cronies another 2M in "broken" difficulty adjustment the reward was cut 87%.

The control nodes will never go away.  They exist for the purpose of allowing a single person complete and never ending control over the network.

At the current rate of generation the network will only produce roughly 1M coins a year.  The network follows the decision of 51% of control money so to take the network out of King RealSolid hands would require ~12M new control nodes.  Lets just say roughly a decade.  It is never going to happen.

[johnj]

You sir are gravely mistaken...

Check the source, it installs pre-hacked. Central control can do anything they want with your coins, your account and you ability to do anything about it. And has.

Not centrally controlled by design, stop jerking off to the rhetoric.  It has a small amount of centralized economic consolidation, which is planned to be controlled by a non-profit.

RS has the private keys of all 10 control accounts.  The control accounts decide what gets accepted.  If RS wants to change something, he changes the code on the control nodes - and if you don't follow suite you have no recourse.  Without more 'control accounts' from legitimate 'sc millionaires' to override the 12m+ premine RS gave to himself, there is *nothing* to prevent RS from doing what he wants.

You're better at math than I am Viper, how long will it take for 13m solidcoins to be mined?  And that's only meeting the theoretical threshold.

That's not talking about the tax and where it goes.  That's talking about the core mechanics themselves are enforced by one person, who has already seen fit to change mechanics at will.

You sir are gravely mistaken,

That's complete centralization.

Edit:  Also Viper, you should be less concerned with whatever 'lies and rhetoric' are on bitcointalk forums.  If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to leave.  However note the ironic privilege you enjoy here, being able to 'correct' others - while your dear leader censors most correction.

[HolodeckJizzmopper]

makes you lot sound like you're in some troll cult fan club organization.

 Do you have any sense of irony ? At least a basic self-awareness ?

[bulanula]

Not centrally controlled by design, stop jerking off to the rhetoric.  It has a small amount of centralized economic consolidation, which is planned to be controlled by a non-profit.

Not centrally controlled by design? Are you stupid?  

Ok Viper Lemon Bitch I will *pretend* that central control was accidental LOL, but it is still centrally controlled, thank you for explaining.

Small amount of control? Again Are you stupid?

Coinhunter recently demonstrated that he could totally force any code change he wanted no matter how many of the peasant miners objected. Case in point, (IRC logs below) Ahimoth one of the top SC "co-conspirators" was complaining about not knowing no more than 3 minutes in advance of the block reward change from 32 to 5. A lot of the inner circle chimed in and basically RS said "Tough Shit". CH/RS confirms he didn't ask, discuss or need anyone's permission to change his block chain.

It doesn't matter if it is CH/RS, A Non Profit or God himself, Central Control is just that, no matter who or what wields it. This is nothing more than Paypal without any of the good and no real merchant system will trade with a system that can be stopped, can be manipulated or hijacked at will, at any time by a single entity, no matter who it is.

~BCX~



IRC Logs showing CH/RS demonstrating his total control
[23:36] <@RealSolid> FlipPro: no one except ahimoth knew about the 5SC change
[23:36] <Sp0tter> blobber_: why not now?
[23:36] <@RealSolid> and he only knew about it 3 minutes before i told the channel
[23:36] <FlipPro> I know this
[23:36] <FlipPro> Thats a PROBLEM
[23:36] <Sp0tter> thats part of the problem
[23:36] <Sp0tter> yea...
[23:36] <@RealSolid> no its good

The King changes the rules of the game, the peasants must obey and conform

You don't argue with his lordship, King RealSolidScam.

[LoupGaroux]

"Gravely mistaken" Do you really think that altcoins of any flavor are important enough to label them "grave"? They are an alternate that is in its infancy. Unluckily for this particular baby, it was born into a village that likes to fuck around with it, with each other, with the rules, with the code, and with the ways to twist a profit out of anything we touch. Your guy created an alt that he, or his vainglorious non-profit Rangeroos can control utterly and completely. I will give credit that his marketing stays on topic- his is maniacal in staying on-message. Unfortunately that message is that his sliced bread is somehow magically better in every conceivable way, and in fact represents a complete re-invention of the concept of bread, and anyone who enjoys bread should immediately flock to his, because it will destroy all other slices in the universe by the very fact of its existence.

It is exactly the message and the delivery of that message that turns people off. Some find the misrepresentations about releasing the code to be the issue that drives their criticism, others look to the gross mis-statements about non-centralized control nodes which are in fact exactly the opposite, to be a turn-off. SC has a horrible poster child, and he scares anybody legitimate off. SC will never enjoy any significant market adoption because the self proclaimed messianic goofball who runs it is such a complete and utter failure at interpersonal communication. He is a liar, me is an arrogant braggart, and he is an unrepentant simpleton who thinks that screaming at the world will convince the world that he is right, either in person or through proxies.

You choose to be one such proxy- Yay, you! You are a savvy investor who watches and plays the markets closely. Yay, you! You want to preach the gospel of how wrong the rest of the world is because we don't fall into lockstep with you on following the screaming fuck-wit rowing the wrong way on your slave galley of fools. Yay, you, you have found purpose in the world! Dial back the vitriol, muzzle your mouthy little bitch-in-charge and the world might be able to consider SC on it's own merits without a headache from the incessant noise. Many who have taken a look at it have determined that it doesn't fit their needs, and many of those have decided to share their reasoned criticism with the world. Your shilling and pimping is not going to change facts, regardless of how many times you scream "troll" Chicken Lemon. The only sky that is falling is your own credibility for representing a really crappy batch of snake oil.

[johnj]

"Gravely mistaken" Do you really think that altcoins of any flavor are important enough to label them "grave"? They are an alternate that is in its infancy. Unluckily for this particular baby, it was born into a village that likes to fuck around with it, with each other, with the rules, with the code, and with the ways to twist a profit out of anything we touch. Your guy created an alt that he, or his vainglorious non-profit Rangeroos can control utterly and completely. I will give credit that his marketing stays on topic- his is maniacal in staying on-message. Unfortunately that message is that his sliced bread is somehow magically better in every conceivable way, and in fact represents a complete re-invention of the concept of bread, and anyone who enjoys bread should immediately flock to his, because it will destroy all other slices in the universe by the very fact of its existence.

It is exactly the message and the delivery of that message that turns people off. Some find the misrepresentations about releasing the code to be the issue that drives their criticism, others look to the gross mis-statements about non-centralized control nodes which are in fact exactly the opposite, to be a turn-off. SC has a horrible poster child, and he scares anybody legitimate off. SC will never enjoy any significant market adoption because the self proclaimed messianic goofball who runs it is such a complete and utter failure at interpersonal communication. He is a liar, me is an arrogant braggart, and he is an unrepentant simpleton who thinks that screaming at the world will convince the world that he is right, either in person or through proxies.

You choose to be one such proxy- Yay, you! You are a savvy investor who watches and plays the markets closely. Yay, you! You want to preach the gospel of how wrong the rest of the world is because we don't fall into lockstep with you on following the screaming fuck-wit rowing the wrong way on your slave galley of fools. Yay, you, you have found purpose in the world! Dial back the vitriol, muzzle your mouthy little bitch-in-charge and the world might be able to consider SC on it's own merits without a headache from the incessant noise. Many who have taken a look at it have determined that it doesn't fit their needs, and many of those have decided to share their reasoned criticism with the world. Your shilling and pimping is not going to change facts, regardless of how many times you scream "troll" Chicken Lemon. The only sky that is falling is your own credibility for representing a really crappy batch of snake oil.

[Snapman]

"Gravely mistaken" Do you really think that altcoins of any flavor are important enough to label them "grave"? They are an alternate that is in its infancy. Unluckily for this particular baby, it was born into a village that likes to fuck around with it, with each other, with the rules, with the code, and with the ways to twist a profit out of anything we touch. Your guy created an alt that he, or his vainglorious non-profit Rangeroos can control utterly and completely. I will give credit that his marketing stays on topic- his is maniacal in staying on-message. Unfortunately that message is that his sliced bread is somehow magically better in every conceivable way, and in fact represents a complete re-invention of the concept of bread, and anyone who enjoys bread should immediately flock to his, because it will destroy all other slices in the universe by the very fact of its existence.

It is exactly the message and the delivery of that message that turns people off. Some find the misrepresentations about releasing the code to be the issue that drives their criticism, others look to the gross mis-statements about non-centralized control nodes which are in fact exactly the opposite, to be a turn-off. SC has a horrible poster child, and he scares anybody legitimate off. SC will never enjoy any significant market adoption because the self proclaimed messianic goofball who runs it is such a complete and utter failure at interpersonal communication. He is a liar, me is an arrogant braggart, and he is an unrepentant simpleton who thinks that screaming at the world will convince the world that he is right, either in person or through proxies.

You choose to be one such proxy- Yay, you! You are a savvy investor who watches and plays the markets closely. Yay, you! You want to preach the gospel of how wrong the rest of the world is because we don't fall into lockstep with you on following the screaming fuck-wit rowing the wrong way on your slave galley of fools. Yay, you, you have found purpose in the world! Dial back the vitriol, muzzle your mouthy little bitch-in-charge and the world might be able to consider SC on it's own merits without a headache from the incessant noise. Many who have taken a look at it have determined that it doesn't fit their needs, and many of those have decided to share their reasoned criticism with the world. Your shilling and pimping is not going to change facts, regardless of how many times you scream "troll" Chicken Lemon. The only sky that is falling is your own credibility for representing a really crappy batch of snake oil.

Amen.

[k9quaint]

"Gravely mistaken" Do you really think that altcoins of any flavor are important enough to label them "grave"? They are an alternate that is in its infancy. Unluckily for this particular baby, it was born into a village that likes to fuck around with it, with each other, with the rules, with the code, and with the ways to twist a profit out of anything we touch. Your guy created an alt that he, or his vainglorious non-profit Rangeroos can control utterly and completely. I will give credit that his marketing stays on topic- his is maniacal in staying on-message. Unfortunately that message is that his sliced bread is somehow magically better in every conceivable way, and in fact represents a complete re-invention of the concept of bread, and anyone who enjoys bread should immediately flock to his, because it will destroy all other slices in the universe by the very fact of its existence.

It is exactly the message and the delivery of that message that turns people off. Some find the misrepresentations about releasing the code to be the issue that drives their criticism, others look to the gross mis-statements about non-centralized control nodes which are in fact exactly the opposite, to be a turn-off. SC has a horrible poster child, and he scares anybody legitimate off. SC will never enjoy any significant market adoption because the self proclaimed messianic goofball who runs it is such a complete and utter failure at interpersonal communication. He is a liar, me is an arrogant braggart, and he is an unrepentant simpleton who thinks that screaming at the world will convince the world that he is right, either in person or through proxies.

You choose to be one such proxy- Yay, you! You are a savvy investor who watches and plays the markets closely. Yay, you! You want to preach the gospel of how wrong the rest of the world is because we don't fall into lockstep with you on following the screaming fuck-wit rowing the wrong way on your slave galley of fools. Yay, you, you have found purpose in the world! Dial back the vitriol, muzzle your mouthy little bitch-in-charge and the world might be able to consider SC on it's own merits without a headache from the incessant noise. Many who have taken a look at it have determined that it doesn't fit their needs, and many of those have decided to share their reasoned criticism with the world. Your shilling and pimping is not going to change facts, regardless of how many times you scream "troll" Chicken Lemon. The only sky that is falling is your own credibility for representing a really crappy batch of snake oil.