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January 24, 2019, 11:24:55 PM
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You can't expect of course the same pacquiao from years ago to be the same at 40years old. But you have to appreciate the evolution of his style. Not as explosive but more efficient and mature. Maybe as boring as mayweather but it works for boxers his age. And that rematch is probably just attracting hype for now. If the money becomes right, floyd may consider coming out of retirement.
After his lost with Marquez Manny Pacquiao is more careful than before. The last fight with Market before he was knocked down, he is ahead in points and then all of a sudden, the lucky punch of Marquez hits him hard ad knocked him down. Aside form that, Manny Pacquiao is now a Christian, he turned into a religious person so the beast in him is now tamed down. So no more of those days when he fought Morales and Barrera. Those are the days that we can call his prime.

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January 24, 2019, 11:58:02 PM
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You can't expect of course the same pacquiao from years ago to be the same at 40years old. But you have to appreciate the evolution of his style. Not as explosive but more efficient and mature. Maybe as boring as mayweather but it works for boxers his age. And that rematch is probably just attracting hype for now. If the money becomes right, floyd may consider coming out of retirement.
After his lost with Marquez Manny Pacquiao is more careful than before. The last fight with Market before he was knocked down, he is ahead in points and then all of a sudden, the lucky punch of Marquez hits him hard ad knocked him down. Aside form that, Manny Pacquiao is now a Christian, he turned into a religious person so the beast in him is now tamed down. So no more of those days when he fought Morales and Barrera. Those are the days that we can call his prime.
He turned into a Christain has nothing to do with how he fights lol His fight with Gay Weather was planned like all other fights of Gay Weather. When two best fighters are put into the same ring, it's money that makes the most noise.


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January 25, 2019, 12:13:27 AM
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It's obvious that boxing fans wants to see action on both fighters, that is if Mayweather would fight to to toe with Manny. The excitement brought by how Manny fight will be nothing if Mayweather still fight in a boring way.
We as fans want to see on how Manny will take revenge from his lost to Mayweather. That's what we feel and we don't care if this is going to be the same fight, scripted (as others claim and said before) or what.

We always buy this fight although we know it's gonna be another boring fight and I wouldn't be surprise if it will surpass the success of the previous fight.

My 2 cents.
I don't think it's going to be boring. Give the two a chance to entertain you, I don't usually watch Mayweather fights alone but since it will be versus to Manny, I'll watch it. I won't expect that it's going to be a boring fight.

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January 25, 2019, 01:15:54 AM
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It's obvious that boxing fans wants to see action on both fighters, that is if Mayweather would fight to to toe with Manny. The excitement brought by how Manny fight will be nothing if Mayweather still fight in a boring way.
We as fans want to see on how Manny will take revenge from his lost to Mayweather. That's what we feel and we don't care if this is going to be the same fight, scripted (as others claim and said before) or what.
It's not scripted, they are wrong, that's the way the fight should go and Mayweather simply beat Manny.
Mayweather is better between the two since he is perfect in this career, Manny has a lot of loses but people love him because he is entertaining to watch

We always buy this fight although we know it's gonna be another boring fight and I wouldn't be surprise if it will surpass the success of the previous fight.

My 2 cents.
I don't think it's going to be boring. Give the two a chance to entertain you, I don't usually watch Mayweather fights alone but since it will be versus to Manny, I'll watch it. I won't expect that it's going to be a boring fight.
People will think it's boring and these two fighters already knew people's reaction, maybe they will improve a big this time.

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January 25, 2019, 02:04:09 AM
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It's not scripted, they are wrong, that's the way the fight should go and Mayweather simply beat Manny.
Mayweather is better between the two since he is perfect in this career, Manny has a lot of loses but people love him because he is entertaining to watch
They tell it scripted in a way that the judges didn't voted appropriately. It's a 'cooking show' many have said before. But it doesn't really matter now, most of the fans are thirsty to see another action from these two.

Floyd had a small fight on Tokyo while Manny just went from a recent fight. Expect 6 months up to a year before anything else confirmed for these two fighters to box again for their v2.

People will think it's boring and these two fighters already knew people's reaction, maybe they will improve a big this time.
As a boxing fan, I don't see a rematch is a boring fight. Maybe he just considers that this kind of match is boring to him because he had seen it before or the playstyle of Mayweather was just a marathon.

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January 25, 2019, 03:15:17 AM
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You can't expect of course the same pacquiao from years ago to be the same at 40years old. But you have to appreciate the evolution of his style. Not as explosive but more efficient and mature. Maybe as boring as mayweather but it works for boxers his age. And that rematch is probably just attracting hype for now. If the money becomes right, floyd may consider coming out of retirement.
After his lost with Marquez Manny Pacquiao is more careful than before. The last fight with Market before he was knocked down, he is ahead in points and then all of a sudden, the lucky punch of Marquez hits him hard ad knocked him down. Aside form that, Manny Pacquiao is now a Christian, he turned into a religious person so the beast in him is now tamed down. So no more of those days when he fought Morales and Barrera. Those are the days that we can call his prime.
He turned into a Christain has nothing to do with how he fights lol His fight with Gay Weather was planned like all other fights of Gay Weather. When two best fighters are put into the same ring, it's money that makes the most noise.
It's not only me who noticed that, even Freddie Roach the former chief trainer of Manny Pacquiao for 15 years also noticed the changes.

"Roach, who was a tenacious featherweight contender himself during the 80s, concedes that he’s seen some of Pacquiao’s killer instinct wane in recent years, beginning around the time that he became more involved with religion."

If there's anyone who knows the fighting style of Manny Pacquiao, that would be Freddie Roach and Buboy Fernadez, Manny's chief trainer and also his best friend.

Buboy also said "Stop being a Christian for a while" before Manny's fight with Adrien Broner,

Source:https://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/boxing-mma/pacquiao/55008-roach-conditioning-religion-pacquiao
https://sports.inquirer.net/334755/stop-being-a-christian-for-a-while-buboy-tells-manny-pacquiao

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January 25, 2019, 03:52:48 AM
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^^ Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Manny doesn't have the killer instinct we have seen him during his peak. Maybe he has aged or religion really play a key role.

But even at 40 he can still gave us a good fight. If the fight with Mayweather doesn't push through, there's a lot of fighters around the 147 lbs, like Thurman how is a heavy puncher and this will also a big test for him and even his former sparring mate, Shawn Porter, that will also be one of fight I wanted to see. Those two are in the peak of their career so its going to be interesting how Manny will do against this champions.

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January 25, 2019, 06:24:03 AM
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You can't expect of course the same pacquiao from years ago to be the same at 40years old. But you have to appreciate the evolution of his style. Not as explosive but more efficient and mature. Maybe as boring as mayweather but it works for boxers his age. And that rematch is probably just attracting hype for now. If the money becomes right, floyd may consider coming out of retirement.
After his lost with Marquez Manny Pacquiao is more careful than before. The last fight with Market before he was knocked down, he is ahead in points and then all of a sudden, the lucky punch of Marquez hits him hard ad knocked him down. Aside form that, Manny Pacquiao is now a Christian, he turned into a religious person so the beast in him is now tamed down. So no more of those days when he fought Morales and Barrera. Those are the days that we can call his prime.
He turned into a Christain has nothing to do with how he fights lol His fight with Gay Weather was planned like all other fights of Gay Weather. When two best fighters are put into the same ring, it's money that makes the most noise.
It's not only me who noticed that, even Freddie Roach the former chief trainer of Manny Pacquiao for 15 years also noticed the changes.

"Roach, who was a tenacious featherweight contender himself during the 80s, concedes that he’s seen some of Pacquiao’s killer instinct wane in recent years, beginning around the time that he became more involved with religion."

If there's anyone who knows the fighting style of Manny Pacquiao, that would be Freddie Roach and Buboy Fernadez, Manny's chief trainer and also his best friend.

Buboy also said "Stop being a Christian for a while" before Manny's fight with Adrien Broner,

Source:https://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/boxing-mma/pacquiao/55008-roach-conditioning-religion-pacquiao
https://sports.inquirer.net/334755/stop-being-a-christian-for-a-while-buboy-tells-manny-pacquiao
I guess it's because he aged and he is always wiser now, but the most important is he is still impressive and keeps winning his fight.
Buboy said during Manny's last fight always said do not be careless, so he doesn't want Manny to be very aggressive because they know they are leading the scoring and it's pretty obvious, I would have protest if Manny loss the fight. Grin

Manny is using his speed and skills in boxing, if you are the opponent of Manny, you need to knock him down for you to win because he always have the score.
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January 25, 2019, 08:09:05 AM
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^^ Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Manny doesn't have the killer instinct we have seen him during his peak. Maybe he has aged or religion really play a key role.
I never thought of this even before to be honest, it's part of his attitude that he doesn't have to be like that. When this fight is already on contract, is someone thinking here of watching the fight live in front of the ring? on MGM?

Manny is using his speed and skills in boxing, if you are the opponent of Manny, you need to knock him down for you to win because he always have the score.
Yep, he's agile enough to move and what I like to him is his courage and being brave. He don't show any sign of afraid even his opponent is popular, strong or a complete showcase of a great fighter.

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^^ Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Manny doesn't have the killer instinct we have seen him during his peak. Maybe he has aged or religion really play a key role.
AS you have mentioned its a Killer instinct so no doubt this cant never be gone but the problem now is all hes moves has been anticipated nowadays as Pacquiao’s popularity grows as days passed ,many coaches are learning hes style in the ring to prevent their players losing good example is Boner in which he does just like what Mayweather did against manny ,making the ring as a race track and runs against opponent lol

And lets add the carelessness Manny did the last fight with Juan Manuel Marquez when he was knocked by a single punch,today he was more careful and watching all the possibilities of defensive and offensive.

About the religion i dont think this will be an issue because theres nothing wrong in boxing that prohibits in bible or in sector he was being with
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^^ Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Manny doesn't have the killer instinct we have seen him during his peak. Maybe he has aged or religion really play a key role.
AS you have mentioned its a Killer instinct so no doubt this cant never be gone but the problem now is all hes moves has been anticipated nowadays as Pacquiao’s popularity grows as days passed ,many coaches are learning hes style in the ring to prevent their players losing good example is Boner in which he does just like what Mayweather did against manny ,making the ring as a race track and runs against opponent lol

And lets add the carelessness Manny did the last fight with Juan Miguel Marquez when he was knocked by a single punch,today he was more careful and watching all the possibilities of defensive and offensive.

About the religion i dont think this will be an issue because theres nothing wrong in boxing that prohibits in bible or in sector he was being with
I agree with your point, I mean all that you stated is true.
Manny's killer instinct was never gone, the problem is not with him, it's on his opponent.

They know that Manny is a heavy volume puncher and it's not good for them to be added in the history of the boxers which Manny knock out.
Broner style was just to survive, he is counter punching but not throwing a good number of punch.




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Buboy said during Manny's last fight always said do not be careless, so he doesn't want Manny to be very aggressive because they know they are leading the scoring and it's pretty obvious, I would have protest if Manny loss the fight. Grin

Yeah, I also heard that as well. Seems that Buboy is giving good advises to Manny during the Broner fight. Prior to that we have seen Manny being hit in the last 10 seconds either in the end of 4th or 5th round. Buboy immediately, jump on Manny and tell him to be very careful specially in the last 10 seconds or so to prevent another "JMM".

But even at 40 he can still gave us a good fight. If the fight with Mayweather doesn't push through, there's a lot of fighters around the 147 lbs, like Thurman how is a heavy puncher and this will also a big test for him and even his former sparring mate, Shawn Porter, that will also be one of fight I wanted to see. Those two are in the peak of their career so its going to be interesting how Manny will do against this champions.

Not only those two but you have a lot of good welterweights at Al Haymon's stable, Let's see:

1. Danny Garcia (that left hook)
2. Amir Khan (who will be fighting Crawford)
3. Errol Spence (who will be fighting Mikey Garcia)
4. Thurman
5. Porter

All of those are elite WW so Manny can be match with those fighters anytime of the day. And anyone of them may give Manny a good and exciting fight, it will be a test if Manny Pacquiao has that killer instinct if he goes against those top dogs in welterweight division.

 
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This fight would be massively lucrative to both fighters & those around them but will it happen?
I’m not sure if they’ll be able to agree a purse.

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January 25, 2019, 03:40:53 PM
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This fight would be massively lucrative to both fighters & those around them but will it happen?
I’m not sure if they’ll be able to agree a purse.
Pacman has no control over the purse because Floyd will be the A-Side in this fight. So he may not received the same offer he got from the first fight, I'm sure it will be less, but nevertheless if will be big money even for a current boxing champ. Those two are still the cash cow, no matter how boring the fight could be.

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^^ Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Manny doesn't have the killer instinct we have seen him during his peak. Maybe he has aged or religion really play a key role.
AS you have mentioned its a Killer instinct so no doubt this cant never be gone but the problem now is all hes moves has been anticipated nowadays as Pacquiao’s popularity grows as days passed ,many coaches are learning hes style in the ring to prevent their players losing good example is Boner in which he does just like what Mayweather did against manny ,making the ring as a race track and runs against opponent lol

And lets add the carelessness Manny did the last fight with Juan Miguel Marquez when he was knocked by a single punch,today he was more careful and watching all the possibilities of defensive and offensive.

About the religion i dont think this will be an issue because theres nothing wrong in boxing that prohibits in bible or in sector he was being with
I agree with your point, I mean all that you stated is true.
Manny's killer instinct was never gone, the problem is not with him, it's on his opponent.

They know that Manny is a heavy volume puncher and it's not good for them to be added in the history of the boxers which Manny knock out.
Broner style was just to survive, he is counter punching but not throwing a good number of punch.
Knowing that a wrong mistake will lead him into K.O, Manny's quick punch back is continuous Broner knew that so he will not do unnecessary mistakes to avoid being in a critical situation, he just trying to make a counter to make sure Manny's attack will be avoided, the Match is over and now most of us are waiting for the final say about this rematch, if that will happen or it won't take any effects to floyd.
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^^ Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Manny doesn't have the killer instinct we have seen him during his peak. Maybe he has aged or religion really play a key role.
AS you have mentioned its a Killer instinct so no doubt this cant never be gone but the problem now is all hes moves has been anticipated nowadays as Pacquiao’s popularity grows as days passed ,many coaches are learning hes style in the ring to prevent their players losing good example is Boner in which he does just like what Mayweather did against manny ,making the ring as a race track and runs against opponent lol

And lets add the carelessness Manny did the last fight with Juan Miguel Marquez when he was knocked by a single punch,today he was more careful and watching all the possibilities of defensive and offensive.

About the religion i dont think this will be an issue because theres nothing wrong in boxing that prohibits in bible or in sector he was being with
I agree with your point, I mean all that you stated is true.
Manny's killer instinct was never gone, the problem is not with him, it's on his opponent.

They know that Manny is a heavy volume puncher and it's not good for them to be added in the history of the boxers which Manny knock out.
Broner style was just to survive, he is counter punching but not throwing a good number of punch.
Knowing that a wrong mistake will lead him into K.O, Manny's quick punch back is continuous Broner knew that so he will not do unnecessary mistakes to avoid being in a critical situation, he just trying to make a counter to make sure Manny's attack will be avoided, the Match is over and now most of us are waiting for the final say about this rematch, if that will happen or it won't take any effects to floyd.

As of now, I would take that it hasn't take any effect on Floyd, except for the encounter on a basketball game, we never heard anything from their camp regarding a rematch so for now we can say that it won't happen. Everything is still up in the air, let Manny Pacquiao rest and enjoy his win against Broner.

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January 25, 2019, 11:50:43 PM
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You can't expect of course the same pacquiao from years ago to be the same at 40years old. But you have to appreciate the evolution of his style. Not as explosive but more efficient and mature. Maybe as boring as mayweather but it works for boxers his age. And that rematch is probably just attracting hype for now. If the money becomes right, floyd may consider coming out of retirement.
After his lost with Marquez Manny Pacquiao is more careful than before. The last fight with Market before he was knocked down, he is ahead in points and then all of a sudden, the lucky punch of Marquez hits him hard ad knocked him down. Aside form that, Manny Pacquiao is now a Christian, he turned into a religious person so the beast in him is now tamed down. So no more of those days when he fought Morales and Barrera. Those are the days that we can call his prime.
He turned into a Christain has nothing to do with how he fights lol His fight with Gay Weather was planned like all other fights of Gay Weather. When two best fighters are put into the same ring, it's money that makes the most noise.
It's not only me who noticed that, even Freddie Roach the former chief trainer of Manny Pacquiao for 15 years also noticed the changes.

"Roach, who was a tenacious featherweight contender himself during the 80s, concedes that he’s seen some of Pacquiao’s killer instinct wane in recent years, beginning around the time that he became more involved with religion."

If there's anyone who knows the fighting style of Manny Pacquiao, that would be Freddie Roach and Buboy Fernadez, Manny's chief trainer and also his best friend.

Buboy also said "Stop being a Christian for a while" before Manny's fight with Adrien Broner,

Source:https://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/boxing-mma/pacquiao/55008-roach-conditioning-religion-pacquiao
https://sports.inquirer.net/334755/stop-being-a-christian-for-a-while-buboy-tells-manny-pacquiao
I guess it's because he aged and he is always wiser now, but the most important is he is still impressive and keeps winning his fight.
Buboy said during Manny's last fight always said do not be careless, so he doesn't want Manny to be very aggressive because they know they are leading the scoring and it's pretty obvious, I would have protest if Manny loss the fight. Grin

Manny is using his speed and skills in boxing, if you are the opponent of Manny, you need to knock him down for you to win because he always have the score.
When it comes on making points or do make landing punches on opponent then Manny would really have it.Why? because he do keep punching up specially when on a drive where barrage of punches would be made.
He do really still have the speed thats why theres no doubt when making up points.Unlike on his fight with bradley where you can see he do barely punch plus the opponents counter attack which do leads into split score decision.

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^^ Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Manny doesn't have the killer instinct we have seen him during his peak. Maybe he has aged or religion really play a key role.
AS you have mentioned its a Killer instinct so no doubt this cant never be gone but the problem now is all hes moves has been anticipated nowadays as Pacquiao’s popularity grows as days passed ,many coaches are learning hes style in the ring to prevent their players losing good example is Boner in which he does just like what Mayweather did against manny ,making the ring as a race track and runs against opponent lol

And lets add the carelessness Manny did the last fight with Juan Miguel Marquez when he was knocked by a single punch,today he was more careful and watching all the possibilities of defensive and offensive.

About the religion i dont think this will be an issue because theres nothing wrong in boxing that prohibits in bible or in sector he was being with
I agree with your point, I mean all that you stated is true.
Manny's killer instinct was never gone, the problem is not with him, it's on his opponent.

They know that Manny is a heavy volume puncher and it's not good for them to be added in the history of the boxers which Manny knock out.
Broner style was just to survive, he is counter punching but not throwing a good number of punch.
Thats it mate knowing how Pacquiao can beat them with a single strike all they do now is take the precautionary measures to assure the safeties on the ring since Manny has proven this for so many occasions that Hes Left punch is hard as a hammer

This fight would be massively lucrative to both fighters & those around them but will it happen?
I’m not sure if they’ll be able to agree a purse.
Pacman has no control over the purse because Floyd will be the A-Side in this fight. So he may not received the same offer he got from the first fight, I'm sure it will be less, but nevertheless if will be big money even for a current boxing champ. Those two are still the cash cow, no matter how boring the fight could be.
Maybe not though the two fighters are still gaining their popularity again from the viewers thats why their camps are creating gimmicks just to know whats the impact if this fight will be done sooner,meeting twice in the basketball match up is something to consider since this is normal occasion that could happen from two most popular boxer of all time
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January 26, 2019, 06:01:08 AM
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But even at 40 he can still gave us a good fight. If the fight with Mayweather doesn't push through, there's a lot of fighters around the 147 lbs, like Thurman how is a heavy puncher and this will also a big test for him and even his former sparring mate, Shawn Porter, that will also be one of fight I wanted to see. Those two are in the peak of their career so its going to be interesting how Manny will do against this champions.

Not only those two but you have a lot of good welterweights at Al Haymon's stable, Let's see:

1. Danny Garcia (that left hook)
2. Amir Khan (who will be fighting Crawford)
3. Errol Spence (who will be fighting Mikey Garcia)
4. Thurman
5. Porter

All of those are elite WW so Manny can be match with those fighters anytime of the day. And anyone of them may give Manny a good and exciting fight, it will be a test if Manny Pacquiao has that killer instinct if he goes against those top dogs in welterweight division.

That is what I'm trying to drive at. There's a lot of fighters in the division that Manny can fight in the next coming years and not just Floyd Mayweather.

On the list you put up, I saw 3 names that can beat Manny though, D. Garcia, E. Spence and K. Thurman. Those guys are in their prime and Manny might find it difficult stylistically. Amir Khan, with his glass chin will be the easiest amongst them, while Shawn Porter (former sparring mate) will be worried about how fast and strong the left hand and might be cautious all the time.

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January 26, 2019, 06:23:08 AM
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Manny is using his speed and skills in boxing, if you are the opponent of Manny, you need to knock him down for you to win because he always have the score.
Yep, he's agile enough to move and what I like to him is his courage and being brave. He don't show any sign of afraid even his opponent is popular, strong or a complete showcase of a great fighter.
Not as popular as Manny, this kid (I would call broner a kid now) didn't show the heart of a champion and very disrespectful during the interview.
Honestly, I would have respect him if he only engage in the ring even if he is a trash talker, but unfortunately he was expose being a coward.

PPV amount is good but broner does not deserve a fair share, people are just praising manny while hating this young kid.
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