Demoted from Jr. Member to Newbie? Read here first.

[Obiwankenodium]

Even if he is not  a good guy that was a good post.  It is important for people to know that there are 35-36 new people that can give merit As a source.  He mentioned it and gets my points.

Totally your judgement man. Not questioning that. I am just pointing out that it is unfair to hundreds of those posters who get lost in the din because someone like toheed2x spams 1000 reports in the time a serious poster would actually manage to post much less. If the post histories are taken as a reference, then at least the deserving ones get a better chance. Those who just "woke up because of rules change" should have to wait a little longer.

I would just prefer that the "good guys" get more of a chance than the "not a good guys".. So shared my opinion with you.

Of course as do I .

but when I give out points  they will not be to people asking for them.  which neither person I gave points to today were asking.

I will sift through about 5 to 10 people a day  that were jrs and were demoted.

I will ask if anyone would make that list  and post it in this thread  I won't give you any merits for doing it.

But the list would help me and others like me look at the demoted people's posts.

here is the list of people that posted in this topic and got demoted (included mine as well):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2099348
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1855287
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1925023
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1821639
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1393506
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2169483
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1911471
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2110024
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2226189
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2112621
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1136975
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1931495
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2146224
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2032982
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1256570

[toheed2x]

Does newbies can't make a post ? I see newbies writing about it. In rules there is not mentioned they can't create a thread or reply to a thread.

[rolleth.io]

I think that this is a good start to systematization of the forum in an even better way. And i want to add a few important thoughts.

To write something really decent, without getting lost in a bunch of other posts, and to avoid repeating other people's thoughts, you need to spend a lot of time studying all the topics and messages in them. I don't know, maybe most people have that time, but I'm not sure. It's great that there are moderators, without them it would be very sad, but it seems to me that we need a bot that will help to control messages, user actions and other activities. And also it would be interesting to make a topic summary and pin few main good users thoughts to help new users understand the line of thought.

In addition, the introduction of subcategories within the forums is also necessary for companies, and in the future it would be possible to enter a rating of trust of users of a company depending on their behavior on the forum and the response they receive from users (like users trust).

The forum needs a systematization. Because to some extent, it has ceased to be just a forum very long time ago. And what is extremely important, this is one of the few sites that brings real benefit to the crypto community, allowing you to see the "true" value of some projects.

[Ksu_bor345]

I joined this group many months ago, I just post or commend needed not spam or do something wrong. And now i receive my rank down from Jr to newbie. Just a litle upset for this change, why don’t we apply this change for newbie to reduce fraud or spam. It’s unfair with old users, I just think I was punished by other people fault. We have many way to encourage newbie to get merit don’t do like down rank.

I looked at all of your posts before the Rule change. Barring one post about automatically adding LinkedIn contacts (which is also dubious as far as linkedin policy is concerned), you have sadly made no useful posts. All of them are simply reports. This gives the impression that you are here just for farming bounties.

I'd recommend you spend some time at the forum engaging in fruitful conversation. I am sure you will get that 1 merit in a jiffy. I'll be glad to check in later too.

You reproach the participant, that he is engaged in bounties, but in fact everyone here came to the crypto currency to make his life better. And the way a person earns is his personal business. I, for example, have no money for trading, investment, .. The most suitable for me to earn at this stage is the bounty. And the fact that we are clogging the forum is not our fault.Terms of companies require you to submit a report in the forum branches. And if you require companies to accept reports in Google forms, then the amount of spam has decreased dramatically!

I agree with you. I often read these posts where you write, that people will not give merit to those who have a lot of bounty report in the message history. That's not quite right. If a beginner writes a good post that will be useful, why not reward him for it? And it doesn't matter that he has a lot of bounty reports in history. Each earns as he can.

[Cabella]

Should I go to the moon to get merit ?? whatever the cause and effect, don't be sad, think positive, keep trying, for me this is a forum to give and receive knowledge, so just enjoy ..

[Winter1810]

Good day everyone, I've been here since 2017, and working for bounty every day.
The Merit system was a good way to reduce the spammers. The new rules are necessary, but im not spammers, scamer.
What  can i do?

[Ndok88]

Even if he is not  a good guy that was a good post.  It is important for people to know that there are 35-36 new people that can give merit As a source.  He mentioned it and gets my points.

Totally your judgement man. Not questioning that. I am just pointing out that it is unfair to hundreds of those posters who get lost in the din because someone like toheed2x spams 1000 reports in the time a serious poster would actually manage to post much less. If the post histories are taken as a reference, then at least the deserving ones get a better chance. Those who just "woke up because of rules change" should have to wait a little longer.

I would just prefer that the "good guys" get more of a chance than the "not a good guys".. So shared my opinion with you.

Of course as do I .

but when I give out points  they will not be to people asking for them.  which neither person I gave points to today were asking.

I will sift through about 5 to 10 people a day  that were jrs and were demoted.

I will ask if anyone would make that list  and post it in this thread  I won't give you any merits for doing it.

But the list would help me and others like me look at the demoted people's posts.

here is the list of people that posted in this topic and got demoted (included mine as well):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2099348
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1855287
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1925023
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1821639
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1393506
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2169483
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1911471
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2110024
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2226189
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2112621
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1136975
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1931495
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2146224
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2032982
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1256570

Me demoted too

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1906656

How should we do to get merit if people wont to give it?
Pay member?🤔

[danice15]

This merit system is the best way to avoid spamming of post.It will definitely clean the forum and put in your mind that this is just for the sake of the forum. To be honest even i cried in the new update but instead of making a rant. I will just do my best to receive a merit. Not because you've been demoted you will demotivated. Just stay positive and dont make this rule block your dreams.

[manyexp]

There are a lot of people praising the Merit system to get Merit, but I think differently.

Of course it is true that Merit has many advantages.
However, there are many drawbacks.
Merit Abuse, Merit black market, overly concentrated authority on High ranker. useless arguments consumed by the Merit dispute, etc.

[rolleth.io]

There are a lot of people praising the Merit system to get Merit, but I think differently.

Of course it is true that Merit has many advantages.
However, there are many drawbacks.
Merit Abuse, Merit black market, overly concentrated authority on High ranker. useless arguments consumed by the Merit dispute, etc.

That's obvious Do you see any solutions?

[waniowski]

One may ask whether the level obtained can not be treated as acquired right?

The  European Court of Human Rigths proved in its decisions, that acquired rights are property, and therefore are protected under First Protocol for European Convention of  Human Rights.

[philipma1957]

Even if he is not  a good guy that was a good post.  It is important for people to know that there are 35-36 new people that can give merit As a source.  He mentioned it and gets my points.

Totally your judgement man. Not questioning that. I am just pointing out that it is unfair to hundreds of those posters who get lost in the din because someone like toheed2x spams 1000 reports in the time a serious poster would actually manage to post much less. If the post histories are taken as a reference, then at least the deserving ones get a better chance. Those who just "woke up because of rules change" should have to wait a little longer.

I would just prefer that the "good guys" get more of a chance than the "not a good guys".. So shared my opinion with you.

Of course as do I .

but when I give out points  they will not be to people asking for them.  which neither person I gave points to today were asking.

I will sift through about 5 to 10 people a day  that were jrs and were demoted.

I will ask if anyone would make that list  and post it in this thread  I won't give you any merits for doing it.

But the list would help me and others like me look at the demoted people's posts.

here is the list of people that posted in this topic and got demoted (included mine as well):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2099348 now has 9 merits Obiwankenodium
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1855287 now has a copper jfvmcryptoblock
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1925023 335 posts 90% bounty no real content fxcryptotrader
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1821639 274 posts lots in russian working on them now bounty hunting and angry about no merits
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1393506
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2169483
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1911471
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2110024
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2226189
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2112621
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1136975
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1931495
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2146224
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2032982
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1256570

Me demoted too

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1906656

How should we do to get merit if people wont to give it?
Pay member?🤔

You can buy a copper or wait for someone like me to read your posts
maybe you were not all bounty or bounty with very little content

[ksiazek7]

Before all of y'all start complaining and making a billion new topics about being demoted, read this announcement from theymos. Essentially:

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.

It's not super difficult to get one merit. Make decent posts that add something to the conversation rather than just rephrasing something someone else has already said. Also, if you're concerned about any bounties you were in that had a rank requirement, talk to your bounty manager about seeing if they will still give you credit for your work.

Finally, don't beg for or buy merits. I can understand that this is frustrating for a lot of you guys, but there's no reason to risk your account for just one merit.

And for those of us that have merits to send, please keep this in mind:

I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

You may not agree with everything someone says, but try to look into the effort behind the posts. It will encourage those who are at least trying to make decent posts to continue posting in the future. Spend some time in the patrol section and look for posts to give merit to

Or it will stifle the growth of this forum and turn many people away who could have contributed positively to the growth of crypto in general.  Merit is finite, the time people have is finite, so that doubles up to a lot of people not advancing in rank that likely earned it.  I don't have an answer for spam I simply ignore it.  You already had it gated at Jr Member which just had a minimum post amount along with an amount of time needed on the forums I believe. 

Really this only matters because you have removed our ability to set signatures or personal texts which is a dick move in my opinion.  Who exactly are you protecting with this move?  You say people are getting scammed right?  Who the hell is looking at a spam post looking at their signature and going that guy spamming LEET CRYPTO BLOCKCHAIN MOON MONEY MOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He looks like the guy I want to take advice from.  Realistically it allows people to look at what that poster is advertising and maybe avoid it because of that.

What it does take away is people who would have been Jr. Member making reasonable to quality posts (but not exceptional enough to get merit or simply was never seen) from advertising whatever project they have found.  Giving them less reason to even use this forum.  Overall this change is just going to drive people away from this forum imo. 

[Velkro]

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.

Great idea, great way to improve forum quality.
I agree, it isnt hard to be helpful to others which equals to earning some merits.
People just want merits for nothing, begging etc. its worst way to get merit actually. You wouldn't want this. Be helpful, dont spam = you earn merits.

[deguzmanwacky]

well guys I read somewhere there is 36 new soruces for merit added today

we have to earn it 

Never give up. This guy got 2 already and i have checked his post history. boy oh boy

[yen10]

Before all of y'all start complaining and making a billion new topics about being demoted, read this announcement from theymos. Essentially:

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.

It's not super difficult to get one merit. Make decent posts that add something to the conversation rather than just rephrasing something someone else has already said. Also, if you're concerned about any bounties you were in that had a rank requirement, talk to your bounty manager about seeing if they will still give you credit for your work.

Finally, don't beg for or buy merits. I can understand that this is frustrating for a lot of you guys, but there's no reason to risk your account for just one merit.

And for those of us that have merits to send, please keep this in mind:

I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

You may not agree with everything someone says, but try to look into the effort behind the posts. It will encourage those who are at least trying to make decent posts to continue posting in the future. Spend some time in the patrol section and look for posts to give merit to.

I totally agree with these. To be honest I was a bit frustrated at first when I learn the new rules regarding Jr. Member accounts because I was affected by those mass demotion. I'm a bit disappointed because I believe that its unfair for us whose making good posts and contribution in this forum.

But then I realized that its actually a good thing because it will minimize the amount of garbage posts here in this forum. Also, I noticed that previously, in signature campaigns, most of the posts made by some participants are actually don't have any substance on it. Its like they are only posting it for the sake of stakes.

I just hope more members of this forum will understand the rationale behind this changes. Besides sacrifice is essential in able to be successful.

[LeavingEden]

hi. My English is not very good. I have to resort to google translation. And when do I make my comments or postings acceptable?

English is also my problem. So it's hard to those people like me to get merit.

well guys I read somewhere there is 36 new soruces for merit added today

we have to earn it 

Never give up. This guy got 2 already and i have checked his post history. boy oh boy

That person is very lucky. Easy merits for him. Extreme luck and knowledge are all i needed now as a beginner to get some merits.

[amishmanish]

I see quite a few demoted newbies commenting here with 0 merits. I went through the post histories of few of you earlier to see if i can find a merit-worthy post and have created a new topic about it in the beginner's section here: Checking Demoted members to give Merit: Feedback and Helpful Links.

I would also recommend that you all make a habit of checking the "Show new replies to your posts" link that appears alongside your avatar at the top-left. Whenever you login, first check the pages you have posted in earlier. Watch the discussion and add something useful or even your own perspective. Engaging with people is the best way to be on this forum as well as earn merit.

I am saying this because I have notices many newbies who write on these pages and never show up again to continue the discussion.

hi. My English is not very good. I have to resort to google translation. And when do I make my comments or postings acceptable?

Nobody needs you to pass an English proficiency test here. Your English also seems fine. You are able to navigate this space and learn about bounties, translations etc. means you can learn more and help those below you to gain and understanding too.
For that, first you have to show an intent of actually being here to join the bitcoin ecosystem and not make it just another way to earn some tokens which may or may not be worthless. The user LeavingEden seems to have some English issues too but he is engaging in the discussions. I saw it worth my time to merit one of his posts.

If users like you refrain from these report posts and you actually engage in discussion for next 2 activity periods, i.e. 28 days, I or any of the other sources will be glad to give you some merit. Check the link I have given above to look for resources that can help you be better.

Really this only matters because you have removed our ability to set signatures or personal texts which is a dick move in my opinion.  Who exactly are you protecting with this move? 

This is primarily a forum for discussion on bitcoin. Its a big problem if Newbies are not actively engaging with the bitcoin ecosystem but simply getting swayed by the glittery promises of ICOs, a lot of which are turning out to be scams. What is wrong if Theymos wants to take steps to avoid this slide as the forum admin?

What it does take away is people who would have been Jr. Member making reasonable to quality posts (but not exceptional enough to get merit or simply was never seen) from advertising whatever project they have found.  Giving them less reason to even use this forum.  Overall this change is just going to drive people away from this forum imo. 

Jr. Members who have been demoted but have reasonable quality posts will be back up in no time. Additional merit sources are working actively so these people can come back up. If it drives those people away who are here only for alts and have no stake or interest in bitcoin itself, well then, to each his own. Honestly though, nobody wants to be away from bitcoin too long. Which brings me to ask your opinion about bitcoin and bitcoin's goals. You are at Sl. 17 in the list at the link i shared in this post.

[Alone055]

hi. My English is not very good. I have to resort to google translation. And when do I make my comments or postings acceptable?

Stay where your posts are acceptable. In your Local board. There are Merit sources in Local boards too, who can Merit the posts that are worth it. Don't post outside it unnecessarily if you know you are not good at it. Do it only when you learn to write English in a proper way, or to at least in a decent manner which a person should understand by reading.

[zangleerb]

hi. My English is not very good. I have to resort to google translation. And when do I make my comments or postings acceptable?

Stay where your posts are acceptable. In your Local board. There are Merit sources in Local boards too, who can Merit the posts that are worth it. Don't post outside it unnecessarily if you know you are not good at it. Do it only when you learn to write English in a proper way, or to at least in a decent manner which a person should understand by reading.

What if they don't have local board? Not every language have accepted to have local board here. English is't that important with some people but it's a big problem with many people out there because they don't even understand an English word, they have to use google translate to understand and just can guess a little of meaning, so how to write an answer?

Having local board is a benefit that not every member here have.