CHANGELLY - Illegal exchanger from RUSSIA with FAKE team

[Bowtiesarecool]

Was seriously at the verge of getting into the Atomic Wallet ICO... now I have to peddle backwards on that thought. The more we delve into decentralization, the obvious it becomes that some players still want to keep their centralized mindset by building businesses that only carries the blockchain label, not its spirit.

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[Atomicwallet]

Hey! We saw the mention of Atomic. However the topic starter issue was NOT related directly to our company. As we see, he used pretty other service and strictly VIOLATED their AML/KYC policy by providing FAKE documents twice. Instead of legal investigation, he started to chase company anonymously from various FAKE accounts. Seems to be pretty clear the only way to resolve the dispute is to identify the customer, prove the source of funds and complete legal investigation.

here is some INVESTIGATION from the other side
https://medium.com/@arennathan9/changenow-scam-or-review-how-ni23457-blackmails-the-exchange-978c483ef81a
 

All good in the hood but i think this line went to far:



And also this is clear enough to avoid you with any significant amount:




In other words, spread your sells or dont use those centralize crappy services.

Good points, thanks!

Before using any centralised services you should agree with their terms of use. Otherwise just not to use them. But if you VIOLATED the KYC/AML policy by sanding FAKE documents twice, you simply became responsible for that. Any exchange will block your transaction and start legal investigation in that case. Unfortunately a lot of money laundering in crypto.

[ni23457]

Before using any centralised services you should agree with their terms of use

I changed my mind to use your pathetic service 3 months ago. Return my money to sender's wallet idiot! This is not your property to hold it 3 months asshole... asshole with FAKE names and location. You have no right to ask anyone for documents, because you work illegally in Russia. The whole KYC thing is designed by you only for the fact that ~10% of customers will never send their documents to you and their money will left with you. Where do you spend the money of people who have not passed KYC? Where? Do you travel the world and under fake names fool people like Binance CEO?

is to identify the customer, prove the source of funds and complete legal investigation on possible money laundering.

You are pathetic liar answer me. Who is launderer?

At the same time, I was a customer of Changelly and have whitelisted account there and exchanged hundreds of bitcoins in recent months without any kind of KYC. (it's funny but they gave me whitelisted account after ChangeNOW's scam!) The fact is that I have 5-year-old crystal clear coins, so it never aroused suspicion from anyone.

[BitCent Exchange]

Thinking that Changelly should go under the AML/KYC process for their own self too. They have no right to impose this rule to the customers and at the same time they are not transparent about the legitimacy. Let the community evaluate either they are legit or not. A swap exchange shouldn't freeze customer's fund with baseless accusation. If there is any legal investigation, Changelly must dislose the details to customer.

[Atomicwallet]

At the same time, I was a customer of Changelly and have whitelisted account there and exchanged hundreds of bitcoins in recent months without any kind of KYC. (it's funny but they gave me whitelisted account after ChangeNOW's scam!) The fact is that I have 5-year-old crystal clear coins, so it never aroused suspicion from anyone.

Perfect, you had no issues with Changelly. But had the deal with another service ChangeNow, agreed with their terms of use before deposit. Than strictly violated their KYC/AML policy by sending FAKE documents twice. You are responsible for that. If you have any doubts, simply take the legal action instead of chasing company anonymously from various paid accounts here. The best way to resolve the dispute, ChangeNow should identify the customer, prove the source of funds and complete legal investigation.

Here is discussion thread with answers from ChangeNOW and other user opinions as well
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619534.0

[ni23457]

Here is discussion thread with answers from ChangeNOW and other user opinions as well
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619534.0

Did you find only the first 2 posts in your defense, idiot? 3-months old posts??? I would be interested to know the opinion of these people about you now. I'll write to them now.
This is current opinion about your "service"

At the same time, I was a customer of Changelly and have whitelisted account there and exchanged hundreds of bitcoins in recent months without any kind of KYC. (it's funny but they gave me whitelisted account after ChangeNOW's scam!) The fact is that I have 5-year-old crystal clear coins, so it never aroused suspicion from anyone.

Perfect, you had no issues with Changelly. But had the deal with another service ChangeNow, agreed with their terms of use before deposit.

This is not another service. This is YOU. You are Br**ov, right? You are co-founder of St. Peterburg' Evercode Lab (the developer of ChangeNOW). So you Br**ov owe me this money

agreed with their terms of use before deposit.

And what's next? YOU DECEIVED ME! YOU ARE NOT LEGITIMATE SERVICE. YOU HID BEHIND THE ENGLISH LETTERS. I'M NOT OBLIGED TO DISCLOSE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT MYSELF TO OFFSHORE MONKEYS FROM RUSSIA! If it was written on your website that it was just the Russians who bought the company in an offshore garbage dump(650 USD), I would never change anything there.  Return the money to sender's wallet idiot. I don't need your ILLEGAL exchange. I do not want to dirty my wallets about your money. Your business is not legal in Russia.  And that is why you use fake names because you are afraid of problems with the law in Russia.

[JollyGood]

Was seriously at the verge of getting into the Atomic Wallet ICO... now I have to peddle backwards on that thought. The more we delve into decentralization, the obvious it becomes that some players still want to keep their centralized mindset by building businesses that only carries the blockchain label, not its spirit.

It is not just about the spirit of the project it is also about the team behind it.

If you put 2 and 2 together you will see (thanks to user ni23457) that Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps are part of the same group of operators that scam investors and users by "Selective Scamming". So they portray themselves as a bonafide business but in reality they selectively scam their customers.

On this occasion the Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps scammers messed with the wrong person because user ni23457 decided principle was more important than money so he spent more money (on top of the 110 BCH those scamming thieves stole from him) to pay for banner adverts in this Bitcointalk forum to warn gullible investors, newbies and seasoned users about their scams.

Kudos to user ni23457 for exposing those scamming thieves at Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps

Thank you for deciding you will not participate in the Atomic Swaps scam ICO. Please keep away from them and uninstall their software if you installed it.

[Bowtiesarecool]

Was seriously at the verge of getting into the Atomic Wallet ICO... now I have to peddle backwards on that thought. The more we delve into decentralization, the obvious it becomes that some players still want to keep their centralized mindset by building businesses that only carries the blockchain label, not its spirit.

It is not just about the spirit of the project it is also about the team behind it.

If you put 2 and 2 together you will see (thanks to user ni23457) that Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps are part of the same group of operators that scam investors and users by "Selective Scamming". So they portray themselves as a bonafide business but in reality they selectively scam their customers.

On this occasion the Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps scammers messed with the wrong person because user ni23457 decided principle was more important than money so he spent more money (on top of the 110 BCH those scamming thieves stole from him) to pay for banner adverts in this Bitcointalk forum to warn gullible investors, newbies and seasoned users about their scams.

Kudos to user ni23457 for exposing those scamming thieves at Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps

Thank you for deciding you will not participate in the Atomic Swaps scam ICO. Please keep away from them and uninstall their software if you installed it.

The ad was what lead me here. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw and figured that someone paid to actually sensitize the community - especially about a company as widely known as Changelly. Consider the bear market and all and the effort becomes much more magnanimous

[s1lverbox]

I do understand this kyc and AML crap and that some businesses must obey otherwise will be closed. But what's them services done is clearly dick move.
Looks like they selectively scamming knowing that some will not chase money.

Op keep fighting. Don't let go. Cos if u will they will scam again and again.

To other services in question , if you don't know how to deal with this just send funds back to same wallet u got them from.

Easy. As I think this situation will cost you more than you think.

Op, I do have faucet on my service https://ontcalc.info and if you need some more visits and viewers just message me.

[JollyGood]

On this occasion the Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps scammers messed with the wrong person because user ni23457 decided principle was more important than money so he spent more money (on top of the 110 BCH those scamming thieves stole from him) to pay for banner adverts in this Bitcointalk forum to warn gullible investors, newbies and seasoned users about their scams.

Kudos to user ni23457 for exposing those scamming thieves at Changelly, Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps

The ad was what lead me here. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw and figured that someone paid to actually sensitize the community - especially about a company as widely known as Changelly. Consider the bear market and all and the effort becomes much more magnanimous

It clearly shows the OP would never let those scammers get away with it without facing the consequences of other users knowing about their scam. I have total respect for the OP.

How would you feel if you sent 110 BCH (around 11 BTC at the time) to an exchange that was calling itself "anonymous and limitless" yet selectively scammed you? Changelly is part of the same stable of scammers including Changenow, Evercode and Atomic Swaps.

[ni23457]

I do understand this kyc and AML crap and that some businesses must obey otherwise will be closed. But what's them services done is clearly dick move.
Looks like they selectively scamming knowing that some will not chase money.

It all looks like some kind of madness. These idiots(Changelly) exchanged hundreds of bitcoins a month ago and gave me a whitelisted account without KYC. I just did not know that they were all from the same gang and I sent them letter before exchange with asking to guarantee exchange without KYC surprises. And now the second part of the idiots(ChangeNOW) realized that it is no longer possible to lie about the fear of Europol for returning such a large amount without documents and just ran away from the forum.

Op, I do have faucet on my service https://ontcalc.info and if you need some more visits and viewers just message me.

Thank you, but I don't want to spend the money for this. I really have a lot of spending.

But if this problem really worries you, then I have no right to forbid you to distribute this information at your discretion.  

[gold969]

   giving a revolution in the crypto community! zayebat all these crooks who hide behind centralized stock exchanges. and another, it became impossible to work normally, if the developer did not fuck you from the very beginning, then it tries to fuck the pool, then the stock exchange and in the end if you are lucky and you jumped between the tycoons, then maybe you will earn something! and everyone wonders why when they go to the stock exchange, everyone is draining coins, but because they are happy to jump out with at least some profit (or just money for a piece of bread and butter). and here it is not all ... here you are waiting for the exchanger, which also wants to get from you.
 three years ago, I was running away from this infinite world in crypto, but this is only an illusion. this world is what we are! all life is a struggle!

p.s. A McAfee Alliance announcement. Help us fight corruption within the crypto community. https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1046894245829910528

ni23457, thanks for this thread.

[BitCent Exchange]

I do understand this kyc and AML crap and that some businesses must obey otherwise will be closed. But what's them services done is clearly dick move.
Looks like they selectively scamming knowing that some will not chase money.

It all looks like some kind of madness. These idiots(Changelly) exchanged hundreds of bitcoins a month ago and gave me a whitelisted account without KYC. I just did not know that they were all from the same gang and I sent them letter before exchange with asking to guarantee exchange without KYC surprises. And now the second part of the idiots(ChangeNOW) realized that it is no longer possible to lie about the fear of Europol for returning such a large amount without documents and just ran away from the forum.

Perhaps Changelly aka Changenow aka Evercode aka Atomic Swap should insert the term states that " If you fail in our KYC/AML process, your funds will be ours."

[toodamntired]

I am going to throw my two cents in here for a minute... I am too lazy to grab all the quotes that I should, so if it doesn't make sense, just read the whole thread.

First, forget about the fact that Changelly has 2-million customers served... McDonald's has over 3-Billion people served and they screw people over daily. Just because a business is big does not mean that they are saints. In case you need some further examples of this, just think of Exxon, Enron, Wells Fargo.... see? big names, bad practices...

moving on....

On the other hand... Just because a company is registered in one jurisdiction and works from another, wile claiming to be from yet another location does not automatically make them scammers. Many examples in this category, as well..  I mean, who can blame them? If I was a Russian citizen, who owned a business that targeted customers on a global scale, I sure the hell would not say I was in Russia. Who would do business with me? I am not being mean, i happen to love Russia, have been there several times, but let's ace it, Russia has not been getting the best reputation for trust in the news lately.

While I admit that sending pictures of Trump and Putin has got to be the funniest thing I have ever heard in my life, you maybe should not have done it with $70,000 USD worth of Bitcoin Cash being the sole reason the documents were requested.

I understand your frustration and anger, but you are the one who gave them the right to take your money. By sending in those images, you did violate their terms of service and really there is no one to blame for that, except for yourself. The fact that they did that, and have continued to hold it is simply bad business practices on their part. Maybe even bordering on criminal, i am not sure. Either way, i do not agree with it at all.

Furthermore, I think that while Changelly is not directly responsible, the representative from Changelly who has posted here is incorrect in one aspect for sure. A comment by the person posting as Changelly said that they were not responsible for what a third-party does using their API. Clearly, they are no responsible, because a Responsible company would investigate this and revoke ChangeNow's API access in the interim. By not doing this, it shows a lack of concern for consumers,as well as support for anyone who wishes to scam others.

In fact, Changelly should just start a new marketing campaign.... The banners can read something like this:

"Looking to scam people for a lot of Bitcoin? Changelly has all the tools you need to ensure you maximize your scamming potential. Sign up now and start robbing people today!"

While that may seem funny, it is basically what  has been done. Changelly said, well, not our problem and we are going to ignore it and let change now do whatever they want with the tools we provide. As long as they pay their bill every month, what do we care?"

I am in NO WAY saying that this is the view of Changelly. ll I am saying is that could VERY easily appear to be the Changelly attitude from someone who just happens upon this post at some un-Godly hour of the night...

I think that the OP got pissed and had the right to be pissed because of what happened. I then think he pissed them off with his joke nd they said, "Ha Motherfucker, we got the last laugh now!"

Give the man his money back... Changelly, do something about it. because if you serve 2-million customers, $70k worth of BCH is not worth the headache. Time spent posting on it here, replying to posts elsewhere, customers lost as a result of their opinion being in line with OPs, etc...

OP, I am on your side here.. they need to refund you right away. until then, and maybe even after, they should be b boycotted and ousted as performing bas business, but not of scamming since there is no actual proof of that.

I am foing to send you a PM ni23457

Putin and Trump!! Too funny!! 

[JollyGood]

I am going to throw my two cents in here for a minute... I am too lazy to grab all the quotes that I should, so if it doesn't make sense, just read the whole thread.

First, forget about the fact that Changelly has 2-million customers served... McDonald's has over 3-Billion people served and they screw people over daily. Just because a business is big does not mean that they are saints. In case you need some further examples of this, just think of Exxon, Enron, Wells Fargo.... see? big names, bad practices...

OP, I am on your side here.. they need to refund you right away. until then, and maybe even after, they should be b boycotted and ousted as performing bas business, but not of scamming since there is no actual proof of that.

I love this post. You are right the scammers (such as Changelly, Changenow and Atomic Swaps) need to be boycotted.

 

[BitCent Exchange]

I am going to throw my two cents in here for a minute... I am too lazy to grab all the quotes that I should, so if it doesn't make sense, just read the whole thread.

First, forget about the fact that Changelly has 2-million customers served... McDonald's has over 3-Billion people served and they screw people over daily. Just because a business is big does not mean that they are saints. In case you need some further examples of this, just think of Exxon, Enron, Wells Fargo.... see? big names, bad practices...

OP, I am on your side here.. they need to refund you right away. until then, and maybe even after, they should be b boycotted and ousted as performing bas business, but not of scamming since there is no actual proof of that.

I love this post. You are right the scammers (such as Changelly, Changenow and Atomic Swaps) need to be boycotted.

 

Keep on in spreading the awareness about this issue, so that community members can watch out their steps.

[s1lverbox]

Thank you, but I don't want to spend the money for this. I really have a lot of spending.

But if this problem really worries you, then I have no right to forbid you to distribute this information at your discretion.  

No worries. Create content - make sure all info is within. Provide me link and trust me it will not break your bank. Week of exposure to unlimited targeted (crypto) traffic is only 20$. I will even offer you exposure for free as I seriously think them scammers need to be stopped. If changelly gave u whitelisted account and change now is the same gang, than I don't see the reason why they should hold your coins untill you goes through kyc with them.

If they see you not going to do this , coins should be returned and case dismissed.

[ni23457]

toodamntired, impressive post  
I will only comment on what I do not fully agree with.

Just because a company is registered in one jurisdiction and works from another, wile claiming to be from yet another location does not automatically make them scammers.

I do not blame them for being registered somewhere. I blame them for giving out their registration for their real location. And people think that they are from the Czech Republic, but this is a lie.
Everyone knows that Yandex is a Russian company, which is located in Russia. And almost no one knows that it is registered in Netherlands. Yandex never pretended they were in Netherlands because they didn’t need to pretend. They are an honest and respected company in the world.

If I was a Russian citizen, who owned a business that targeted customers on a global scale, I sure the hell would not say I was in Russia.

I am sure that the only reason for which they conceal that they from Russia is not an image/reputaion, but a fear of the Russian authorities and laws. Since there are no laws on cryptocurrency in Russia their activity is shady there. And they have every chance that once masked people come to them (as in the photo in the first post).

By sending in those images, you did violate their terms of service and really there is no one to blame for that, except for yourself.

I spat on the rules written by some anonymous guys.
If they do not like that I spit on their rules, then let them just ban me in their service. Who are they to hold my property and refuse to refund?
I did not violate the laws of the state. I demanded to return my money in the first day (3 months ago)
If they had information that my money was stolen, they should have reported it to the Russian police. What the hell do they keep this money with? Who are they??

I repeat to you again. If I broke the rules of the fucking site, then this fucking site can stop working with me. Even in their wicked agreement there was no line that if I refuse to send them my documents, they will not return my money to me.

Therefore, they have the right to refuse me in exchange. I don't need their fucking exchange. But they have no right to hold my property, because they are nobody, they are not the police, they are not a bank, and not a stock exchange, they are Russian guys who bought the company in an offshore garbage dump for $ 650.

Furthermore, I think that while Changelly is not directly responsible, the representative from Changelly who has posted here is incorrect in one aspect for sure. A comment by the person posting as Changelly said that they were not responsible for what a third-party does using their API.

They are the same people living in the same city and having several shit companies
Russian Changelly, Atomic Wallet, ChangeNOW, Guarda, Ink.one, Evercode Lab (for unregistered users)
You for example have seen messages from Atomic Wallet here. This is a new company of the owner and former CEO of Changelly - Gla***hev. The co-founder of Atomic Wallet is Br**ov. Br**ov is co-founder of St Petersburg' Evercode Lab  (developer of ChangeNOW). It's just St. Petersburg family

Changelly, do something about it. because if you serve 2-million customers, $70k worth of BCH is not worth the headache. Time spent posting on it here, replying to posts elsewhere, customers lost as a result of their opinion being in line with OPs, etc...

It is very difficult for them. Because it is a system. If a person does not send documents, then the money remains with them.
And they find it difficult to go against it. They are afraid of precedent and its consequences for their rich life.
Read the Internet and see how many such cases. Someone even created a website.
http://changellyreview.com/
And everywhere the same words: fear of stolen money, Europol etc.
You understand that all this money remains with them? Do you understand the volume of this money? I think that for example 10% of users never send their documents. They are afraid of losing such a business. So it is very dangerous to make a precedent and return money to me.

they should be b boycotted and ousted as performing bas business, but not of scamming since there is no actual proof of that.

People use fake names and pretend that they are from the Czech Republic and you do not call it a scam? What names did they use here?
They are not rap singers to use pseudonyms. They manage MONEY business service. Ask yourself for what purpose do they use fake names?

If changelly gave u whitelisted account and change now is the same gang, than I don't see the reason why they should hold your coins untill you goes through kyc with them.

As you can see, they do not deny it. If they deny, then I will give theymos or another authoritative user a login/password from my email and he will confirm our correspondence and transactions.
I sent PM to you (not with login/pass  )

[Changelly]

Hey! Need to clarify once again. The issue was NOT related directly to Changelly. As you may see, topic starter had no issues with our service. Exchange was happened via pretty other service. ChangeNOW use our API for some trading pairs, that's right. As well, as many other reputable business partners do. But for BCH-BTC pair ChangeNow don't use our API, most probably they have their own trading engine or something else, we don't know. User had the deal with ChangeNow, accepted their terms of use before deposit. As far as we understand, transaction was blocked by ChangeNOW due to KYC/AML policy violation with fake documents. Changelly have no access to that funds. Unfortunately we can't help. Please, contact ChangeNOW directly to complete legal investigation.

[ni23457]

Hey! Need to clarify once again. The issue was NOT related directly to Changelly. As you may see, topic starter had no issues with our service. Exchange was happened via pretty other service. ChangeNOW use our API for some trading pairs, that's right. But for BCH-BTC pair ChangeNow don't use our API, most probably they have their own trading engine or something else, we don't know. User had the deal with ChangeNow, accepted their terms of use before deposit. Transaction was blocked by ChangeNOW due to KYC/AML policy violation with fake documents. Changelly have no access to that funds. Unfortunately we can't help. Please, contact ChangeNOW directly to complete legal investigation.

If you refuse to recognize your child, then why are you protecting it together with your another child?





And the topic mainly is not about 100 BCH but about your FAKE names and location. Where are your comments?

Transaction was blocked by ChangeNOW due to KYC/AML policy violation with fake documents.

Why do you constantly distribute this lie everywhere? Where did you get the confidence that I sent them the fake documents? You state that you are not related to this company. Why then do you repeat what you have not seen? You did not see what I sent to them, right? (After all, you're another independent company)