[RETURN] Announcing CoinReturn Financial IPO!

[beaknuke]

sold half of mine, big shame

just another risk we take, why we need better designed websites unlike Cryptostocks mess we have where admin can take 3-4 days break leaving the website broken.

Live and Learn

[badpeanut]

For the last few weeks I have been doing some in-depth checks into CoinReturn and its founders.  Here is a brief summary of my findings and observations for the benefit of the community:


Negative Points

• Introductory blurb states that the company is registered in Cyprus, however this is not the case.  I asked the the CoinReturn team about this and they said that while this was the original idea, they changed their minds on this after seeking legal opinion.
• We have yet to see the delayed stream of trade history as mentioned in the company introduction

Positive Points

• The Coinreturn team are fairly communicative and continue to be up-front and open about the operations of the company
• The fund has been operating for over 3 months
• There has never been a missed dividend without notice or good reason (eg; CS wallets being down)
• CoinReturn is not promising loss-free operation
• The company is open about losses when they occur, often providing details of exactly what happened
• Returns appear to be realistic and consistent with market conditions at the time
• The company is taking a realistic cut of the profits
• I have seen some behind the scenes trading history, which all seems to be legitimate
• There is currently a stop on further share issues until 2015.  This is a strong indicator that they are not a Ponzi operation
• The team are actively concerned about loosing contact with shareholders (in the event of CS shutting down) and have a plan in place to mitigate this risk
• I have sighted an official ID for Tom, including address of residence

I don't want to go into my general opinion of CoinReturn in this post as I'd rather keep it as neutral as possible and leave the conclusion up to the reader.  However...

Disclosure:  I am a shareholder in CoinReturn.

Nice review SamboNZ as always, NOT.
Release the ID if you have a screenshot and stop hostage this thread. You cant wait for 2 weeks man, this is bitcoin world. One week missing is pretty alarming. They are a team, if one team member get sick or have a situation other member could still type an announcement. You should really stop waisting your time by defending scammers and hyping your shares. This is the 2nd securitie you involved in that has 90% scam chance and you still dont want to believe it! I wonder if you have ever make a fold in a cardgame before

@shareholders
Contact this person for recovery  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=261927

[StakeHunter]

I agree. BTC moves too fast. It has been ~1 week. We need action. If you have information we need to get it to authorities.

[NotLambchop]

A big %age off IPO price is better than the current price...  who's Drivers Licence do you have an image of, have you checked it back to a real persons ID?

Is this him?



@SamboNZ:  Sorry you couldn't get his IP, but since you have his name and address, why would you need it?  Just, you know... Walk over to his place and ask for your money back

[Dingir]

~ Who are you guys?
We are Tom Mica, Jeff Lombard, and Tony Dewitt.... We are not saying we live in the U.S. but we have all visited Tacoma, Washington and found it to be lovely....

So according to this quote, their should be even 3 people involved, so 1 week is deffinately enough to react and post a message!

@SamboNZ does the ID include one of those names? Could you please send the ID to the email adresses, you got from the time CoinReturn send their emails around and had every shareholder visible?

I am european, so no chance to hunt them personally. :-) But my local police station, said on phone, that I can always file a case against unknown, (dont know if that is the right english expression) with the information I have, including the possible names and where they live, webpage used etc. Of course the success is virtually 0%. However,they told me that, at least all of those things will be recorded in one of them interpol databases... So most probabbly only an innocent Tom, Jeff and Tony will get problems once in the future...

@NotLambchop instead of them GIFS i would appreciate a little donation at: 17qX1EfAQ2sZX3o49R8HFxEprr4PJRRhGp for them 10BTC I lost with CoinReturn :-)

edit:

@shareholders
Contact this person for recovery  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=261927

what do you mean with that? Contact him/her for to recover the IP used with their bitcointalk login? thanx for info!

[NotLambchop]

@Dingir:
I have already given generously of my time to educate and warn you.  The money you've lost is the price of ignoring my advice [along with common sense].
Begging for donations, and further straining my good will by appealing to various government agencies [for which I pay with my taxes] is beyond egregious

P.S:  10 BTC!?  Seriously?  And there are more like you out there? 

[RiverBoatBTC]

Woke up with 2 PM's asking me to work on this case, all information on the owners would be helpful. I will start to read though here and see if I can not pull some info on the owners.

[RiverBoatBTC]

What about DEBT!!!
...see here https://cryptostocks.com/announcements/2519

MPOE PR?

They are paying crazy dividends for being a brand new business.... I would like to see a audit. Some questions have been previously raised about both this persons IPO's.

[StakeHunter]

Woke up with 2 PM's asking me to work on this case, all information on the owners would be helpful. I will start to read though here and see if I can not pull some info on the owners.

We are discussing CoinRETURN
https://cryptostocks.com/securities/101

Which has gone missing for one week.

http://coinreturn.me/

[RiverBoatBTC]

First step is to find out who was the IPO issurer. Does anyone have any names thought I seen something about them living in Washington state?

[Dingir]

~ Who are you guys?
We are Tom Mica, Jeff Lombard, and Tony Dewitt. We are three friends in our late 20's who discovered bitcoin in 2011 and have been hooked since. We've seen regulators shut down other projects here on CS when people disclosed their info so we'd like to say where we're from but are a bit nervous. We are not saying we live in the U.S. but we have all visited Tacoma, Washington and found it to be lovely. Legally this portfolio is located in, and managed from the nation of Cyprus.

They admited the Cyprus part was not true

In a later version they stated:

. We admit we (Tom and Jeff) had pretty strong opposing opinions about the benefits/risks of disclosing a photo of sensitive information (in this case Tom's DL), so in the end I (Tom) agreed to disclose a pic of my ID to SamboNZ.

So apparently SamboNZ has seen a Drivers License (however i presume, easily to fake...)
@SamboNZ could you forward your information, please?

I have one email from them, but dont know how to read out the header/ find the IP from it... shall I Message it to you if it helps? (edit: I posted one of the IPs i got out with my minimal skill, on this thread on #334)

[RiverBoatBTC]

Or his full name first middle and last, with state of issued ID.

[Jugglex]

If I know who they are, they will be in a big problem.

The jail to start.. 

[NotLambchop]

...
The onus is still on you to answer why you still think this is a scam, especially in light of being asked following the good faith moves the project manager(s) made in an effort to try and dispel ambiguity and suspicion.
...

Noobthegreat!
In light of the project manager(s) running away after making an effort to try and dispel ambiguity and suspicion, here's that condolences gif I promised you.
Already gave one to SamboNZ, so this one's all yours, friend!

Sorry for your loss!

[GanderFly]

...
The onus is still on you to answer why you still think this is a scam, especially in light of being asked following the good faith moves the project manager(s) made in an effort to try and dispel ambiguity and suspicion.
...

Noobthegreat!
In light of the project manager(s) running away after making an effort to try and dispel ambiguity and suspicion, here's that condolences gif I promised you.
Already gave one to SamboNZ, so this one's all yours, friend!

Sorry for your loss!
http://s27.postimg.org/ftw2jxfkz/RAIx_AKS.gif

Thank you. These kinds of posts are very helpful.

[NotLambchop]

^
And just when I was beginning to lose hope.  You're welcome, GanderFly!
Sorry I wasn't there to stop you from gifting your coin to coinmarket.io, but I'm just one man...

~Happy investing

[iPhoneDude777]

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They also included the entire email list that this message was sent to.

[biztek]

The owners should at least make some kind of announcement. 

[RiverBoatBTC]

What something like this?
http://youtu.be/moCSndrmBZE?t=55s

[biztek]

What something like this?
http://youtu.be/moCSndrmBZE?t=55s

lol even that will be fine.