REEEEE: PussyGate, a Collection of Trump Investigations

[Spendulus]

Plea was not made voluntarily, or was entered without knowledge of the charge or sentence.

do you ever read things that might disprove what u thinks is true?


THE COURT: Do you wish to challenge the circumstances on
which you were interviewed by the FBI?
FLYNN: No, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you understand that by maintaining your
guilty plea and continuing with sentencing, you will give up your
right forever to challenge the circumstances under which you were
interviewed?
FLYNN: Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Do you have any concerns that you entered your
guilty plea before you or your attorneys were able to review
information that could have been helpful to your defense?
FLYNN: No, Your Honor.
THE COURT: At the time of your January 24th, 2017
interview with the FBI, were you not aware that lying to FBI
investigators was a federal crime?
FLYNN: I was aware.
THE COURT: You were aware?
FLYNN: Yeah.

Sure. What part of the two elements I bolded have anything to do with your list?

How about you?Have you considered Flynn's pleading guilty after the FBI agents threatened to charge is son if he did not?

Does that sound like it's okay in your internal system of judgement? It doesn't bother Twitch, that's certain.

how do u know they threatened to charge is son?

maybe he knew his son committed crimes and said he would cooperate only if they didnt charge him.

You don't seem to have any problem making assumptions when it comes to Flynn being a victim, but when presented when facts and evidence of him being guilty...totally different story.

You are completely deluded. Let me explain.

I am only describing the reality of a case, in which D is seeking to have a guilty plea overturned, and in which he has multiple methods in law to do so. It is what it is.

You would opinionate on why he's guilty, without even caring about the nature of the problem. Of course we know you believe "Orange Man Bad" and "Friends of Orange Man Bad".  The reversal of the plea will be handled in court.

Does he have a good chance that his strategy will work?

I'm just an observer of this, not an influencer.

You believe you influence opinion by posting on the internet. In doing your little job there you've been fronting a great deal of mis information, mis direction and outright lying.

Have fun at it, but don't you think you might need to go back to self moderated threads?

[TwitchySeal]

Have you considered Flynn's pleading guilty after the FBI agents threatened to charge is son if he did not?

We don't know what really happened.

But, have you considered Flynn's pleading guilty after he knew his son committed crimes and said he would cooperate and plead guilty to lesser charges only if they didnt charge his son?

[TECSHARE]

Have you considered Flynn's pleading guilty after the FBI agents threatened to charge is son if he did not?

We don't know what really happened.

But, have you considered Flynn's pleading guilty after he knew his son committed crimes and said he would cooperate and plead guilty to lesser charges only if they didnt charge his son?

Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%. Guilty or innocent, it would have ruined his son's life. Also, there is the little matter of the fact that they aren't allowed to do this by policy, but they did it anyway. Please do engage in more of your tu quoque fallacies though. They seem to be your favorite reply after "CONSPIRACY SITES! CONSPIRACY SITES!".

[Spendulus]

Have you considered Flynn's pleading guilty after the FBI agents threatened to charge is son if he did not?

We don't know what really happened.

But, have you considered Flynn's pleading guilty after he knew his son committed crimes and said he would cooperate and plead guilty to lesser charges only if they didnt charge his son?

I already posted a link showing such a thing is exactly one of the prohibited items; thus a valid cause for reversal of a guilty plea in a plea bargain.

You ignored it and kept trudging down the same path.

If you seriously want to discuss the Flynn case, you really need to understand the legal concepts involved, and keep up to date with the case.

Either you are delusional or you are 2 years in the past. WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING is that Flynn is using valid, standard legal technques to overthrow a guilty plea. What part of that do you not understand?

[TwitchySeal]

Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.

As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.

Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)

You aren't going to face federal charges unless there is overwhelming evidence that you're guilty and the DOJ is confident they can convince a jury to vote unanimously to convict.

[TECSHARE]

Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.

As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.

Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)

You aren't going to face federal charges unless there is overwhelming evidence that you're guilty and the DOJ is confident they can convince a jury to vote unanimously to convict.

Nice cherry picking. The conviction rates year by year have been as high as 99% You go ahead and quibble over a few digits to pretend to have a point. What is important is you have very little chance of defending yourself. Just because you are convicted of a crime doesn't make you guilty or even a criminal. The system is set up to railroad people innocent or guilty.

https://fee.org/articles/three-felonies-a-day-how-the-feds-target-the-innocent/

[TwitchySeal]

Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.

As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.

Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)

Nice cherry picking.

[Spendulus]

Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.

As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.

Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)

You aren't going to face federal charges unless there is overwhelming evidence that you're guilty and the DOJ is confident they can convince a jury to vote unanimously to convict.

Unless someone has a couple million $ and a couple years to spend in federal court, there will be no court trial with a jury. Ever.

[TECSHARE]

Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.

As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.

Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)

Nice cherry picking.

[img ]https://i.gyazo.com/e65ffa3d9692832d0e89fe3d1e71d6c3.png[/img]

Wow! You repeated your cherry picking, only this time with a graph! Very much more convincing thank you!

[Spendulus]

Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.

As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.

Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)

Nice cherry picking.

[img ]https://i.gyazo.com/e65ffa3d9692832d0e89fe3d1e71d6c3.png[/img]

Wow! You repeated your cherry picking, only this time with a graph! Very much more convincing thank you!

And I thought I was the only one that noticed Twitch repeating the same things.

[TwitchySeal]

Once again, the federal conviction rate is 98%.

As of 2018, 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.

Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)

Nice cherry picking.

Wow! You repeated your cherry picking, only this time with a graph! Very much more convincing thank you!

And I thought I was the only one that noticed Twitch repeating the same things.

What did I cherry pick?  I don't understand.

Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018?  I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.

[TECSHARE]

What did I cherry pick?  I don't understand.

Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018?  I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.

Disingenuouscherrypickingtwatsayswhat?

Yes, that is the definition of cherry picking. The hilarious part is you are arguing over single digits in difference when the whole point is you have a sliver of a chance of defending yourself, and even then you will almost certainly have years of your life wasted and be bankrupted doing so. Why would anyone fear that for their children?

[Spendulus]

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What did I cherry pick?  I don't understand.

Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018?  I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.

trying to argue, maybe he's got a 17% chance in this rigged system...

What are you DOING? There is a guy named Flynn, who is trying to get out of this contrived, rigged politically motivated scam of a court process.

I am only describing it.

Are you advocating the process? His guilt? Anything that promotes "Orange Man Bad?"

[TwitchySeal]

What did I cherry pick?  I don't understand.

Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018?  I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.

Disingenuouscherrypickingtwatsayswhat?

Yes, that is the definition of cherry picking.

What statistics did I leave out?

As of 2018 (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/ft_19-06-11_trialsandguiltypleas-pie-2/), 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.

Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)

Do you think these numbers are not accurate?

[Spendulus]

What did I cherry pick?  I don't understand.

Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018?  I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.

Disingenuouscherrypickingtwatsayswhat?

Yes, that is the definition of cherry picking.

What statistics did I leave out?

As of 2018 (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/ft_19-06-11_trialsandguiltypleas-pie-2/), 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.

Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)

Do you think these numbers are not accurate?

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Do you have a point? If so, what? That the 2% that went to trial 83% depleted all their financial resources, that 8% got their cases dismissed by ratting on someone up the chain?

The entire reason you are talking about a Flynn case at all is because he didn't have anything to rat on Trump about because Trump was doing nothing wrong. So your lying cunts that were trying to entrap Trump failed.

[TECSHARE]

Do you have a point? If so, what? That the 2% that went to trial 83% depleted all their financial resources, that 8% got their cases dismissed by ratting on someone up the chain?

The entire reason you are talking about a Flynn case at all is because he didn't have anything to rat on Trump about because Trump was doing nothing wrong. So your lying cunts that were trying to entrap Trump failed.

Of course he doesn't have a point, which is why he is desperately trying to topic slide. His premise is meaningless no matter which years numbers you look at. My premise still stands. Anyone facing federal charges has only a sliver of a chance of defending themselves, and those who do will spend years doing so resulting in bankruptcy.

This was exactly the reason they threatened to charge his son in the hopes of leveraging Flynn to plea bargain and bear false witness against Trump. They were DESPERATE to cover up their own treasonous crimes. They figured once Killary was in it would all just go away. Ooopsey poosey doopsey.

[TwitchySeal]

What did I cherry pick?  I don't understand.

Do you think I cherry picked the year 2018?  I can't find the numbers for 2019 - if you can let me know.

Disingenuouscherrypickingtwatsayswhat?

Yes, that is the definition of cherry picking.

What statistics did I leave out?

As of 2018 (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/ft_19-06-11_trialsandguiltypleas-pie-2/), 90% of those facing federal charges plead guilty, 8% have their case dismissed, 2% go to trial.

Of the 2% that go to trial, 83% are found guilty by a jury (or occasionally a judge if they waive their right to trial by jury)

Do you think these numbers are not accurate?

.....

Do you have a point? If so, what?

Yes.  The data isn't cherry picked.

[Spendulus]

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Do you have a point? If so, what?

Yes.  The data isn't cherry picked.
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That's not enough. I really don't get it. Overall, the discussion is about Flynn reversing his guilty plea. Is that material? Is the exact percentage material? It sounds like you agree with Techshare and I that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI has overwhelming odds and costs stacked against him.

Do you agree or not that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI is a fucked monkey?

[TwitchySeal]

That's not enough. I really don't get it. Overall, the discussion is about Flynn reversing his guilty plea. Is that material? Is the exact percentage material? It sounds like you agree with Techshare and I that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI has overwhelming odds and costs stacked against him.

Do you agree or not that anyone brought into the federal court system by the FBI is a fucked monkey?

If we're going to have a rational discussion, we have to figure which facts we agree on.

Are you willing to do that?

When I post data with sources, and the response is 'nice cherry picking' followed by an argument....do you understand why it doesn't make sense to continue the discussion until we figure out what the actual facts are that we agree on?

I didn't intentionally cherry pick the data.  Maybe I missed something, it's possible - and I'll apologize and admit I made a mistake if so.

[TECSHARE]

If we're going to have a rational discussion, we have to figure which facts we agree on.

Are you willing to do that?

When I post data with sources, and the response is 'nice cherry picking' followed by an argument....do you understand why it doesn't make sense to continue the discussion until we figure out what the actual facts are that we agree on?

I didn't intentionally cherry pick the data.  Maybe I missed something, it's possible - and I'll apologize and admit I made a mistake if so.

It is cherry picking because you picked one year as opposed to the average which is even higher. Again, it is irrelevant to the premise anyway. The fact is if the feds charge you you have a sliver of a hope of spending years in court and being bankrupted if you are lucky.