REEEEE: PussyGate, a Collection of Trump Investigations

[TECSHARE]

90% of that garbage has been proven false. Good try tho digging up corpses of arguments long dead to try to pretend you still have a point.

[TwitchySeal]

90% of that garbage has been proven false. Good try tho digging up corpses of arguments long dead to try to pretend you still have a point.

Which 10% is true has not been proven false?

[dupeddonk]

How they interfered in the 2016 election.

Could you possibly be any more vague? Also what would make this different than any other election previous? Are you suggesting they suddenly started doing this in 2016?

You should read the report.   https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf





Also check out the Russian indictments.  Here is an example of how much Mueller uncovered:

On occasion, the Conspirators facilitated bitcoin payments using the same computers that
they used to conduct their hacking activity, including to create and send test spearphishing emails.

Additionally, one of these dedicated accounts was used by the Conspirators in or around 2015 to
renew the registration of a domain (linuxkrnlnet) encoded in certain X-Agent malware installed
on the DNC network.

The Conspirators funded the purchase of computer infrastructure for their hacking activity
in part by “mining” bitcoin. Individuals and entities can mine bitcoin by allowing their computing
power to be used to verify and record payments on the bitcoin public ledger, a service for which
they are rewarded with freshly-minted bitcoin. The pool of bitcoin generated from the GRU’s
mining activity was used, for example, to pay a Romanian company to register the domain
dcleaks.com through a payment processing company located in the United States.

In addition to mining bitcoin, the Conspirators acquired bitcoin through a variety of means
designed to obscure the origin ofthe funds. This included purchasing bitcoin through peer-to-peer
exchanges, moving funds through other digital currencies, and using pre-paid cards. They also
enlisted the assistance of one or more third—party exchangers who facilitated layered transactions
through digital currency exchange platforms providing heightened anonymity

The Conspirators used the same funding structure—and in some cases, the very same pool
of fundsito purchase key accounts, servers, and domains used in their election—related hacking
activity.

a. The bitcoin mining operation that funded the registration payment for dcleaks.com
also sent newly-minted bitcoin to a bitcoin address controlled by “Daniel Farell,”
the persona that was used to renew the domain linuxkrnlnet. The bitcoin mining
operation also funded, through the same bitcoin address, the purchase of servers
and domains used in the GRU’s spearphishing operations, including accountsqooqle.com and account—gooogle.com.

b. On or about March 14, 2016, using funds in a bitcoin address, the Conspirators
purchased a VPN account, which they later used to log into the @Guccifer_2
Twitter account. The remaining funds from that bitcoin address were then used on
or about April 28, 2016, to lease a Malaysian server that hosted the dcleaks.com
website.

c. The Conspirators used a different set of fictitious names (including “Ward
DeClaur” and “Mike Long”) to send bitcoin to a US. company in order to lease a
server used to administer X-Tunnel malware implanted on the DCCC and DNC
networks, and to lease two servers used to hack the DNC’s cloud network.

I like how you make the baseless claim of Russian collusion and move the goal posts to Ukraine so you can pretend you have an argument as we delve into yet another baseless accusation.

You wouldn't say that if you would have actually read the report.  It's willful ignorance at this point.

i didnt make it to read about these parts lol its more interesting than i thought

so paul manafort was convincing russia that if trump won then trump would help russia take over ukraine.  ukraine is our ally russia is our enemy so thats awful.  but trump probably had nothing to do with this part of it, manafort just saw it as win win since hes friends with trump and also the oligarchs right?  all this must have just given russia even more motivation.

[TECSHARE]

90% of that garbage has been proven false. Good try tho digging up corpses of arguments long dead to try to pretend you still have a point.

Which 10% is true has not been proven false?

That Russia spent a few thousand dollars on social media ads. Clearly that was the deciding factor in the 2016 election.



"Hidden Over 2 Years: Dem Cyber-Firm's Sworn Testimony It Had No Proof of Russian Hack of DNC"

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_hack_of_dnc_123596.html



"Russiagate Exposed: It’s A Fraud"

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/07/18/russiagate-exposed-fraud/



"VIPS: Mueller’s Forensics-Free Findings"

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/03/13/vips-muellers-forensics-free-findings/



"Guccifer 2.0 Game Over – Year End Review"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-25/guccifer-20-game-over-year-end-review-0



"FISA Bombshell: Russian Intelligence Knew Christopher Steele Was Investigating Trump During 2016 Campaign"

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/15/steele-dossier-russian-disinformation-trump/



"Former NSC Chief Of Staff: John Brennan Buried Evidence That Putin Actually Favored Hillary In 2016"

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/23/fred-fleitz-john-brennan-buried-evidence-putin-favored-hillary/



"Rosenstein on Russian Indictment: No American was “knowing participant,” no allegation conduct “altered the outcome of the 2016 election”"

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/02/rosenstein-on-russian-indictment-no-american-was-knowing-participant-no-allegation-altered-the-outcome-of-the-2016-election/

[TwitchySeal]

i didnt make it to read about these parts lol its more interesting than i thought

so paul manafort was convincing russia that if trump won then trump would help russia take over ukraine.  ukraine is our ally russia is our enemy so thats awful.  but trump probably had nothing to do with this part of it, manafort just saw it as win win since hes friends with trump and also the oligarchs right?  all this must have just given russia even more motivation.

Whether or not Trump was aware of or involved in Manafort offering Russia support in dealing with Ukraine (and keeping crimea, the part of Ukraine that Russia had recently invaded), while also passing along campaign info to oligarchs is something that Mueller was not able to prove. 

If Trump didn't know then there are a ton of crazy coincidences.

For example, we know that on July 29, Manafort tells Kilimnik that Aug 2 would be a good date to meet in NYC.

Trump ABC interview on July 31:

"You know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were, And you have to look at that, also. Now, that was under -- just so you understand, that was done under Obama's administration. ... Crimea has been taken. Don't blame Donald Trump for that."

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (page 139)

[dupeddonk]

i didnt make it to read about these parts lol its more interesting than i thought

so paul manafort was convincing russia that if trump won then trump would help russia take over ukraine.  ukraine is our ally russia is our enemy so thats awful.  but trump probably had nothing to do with this part of it, manafort just saw it as win win since hes friends with trump and also the oligarchs right?  all this must have just given russia even more motivation.

Whether or not Trump was aware of or involved in Manafort offering Russia support in dealing with Ukraine (and keeping crimea, the part of Ukraine that Russia had recently invaded), while also passing along campaign info to oligarchs is something that Mueller was not able to prove. 

If Trump didn't know then there are a ton of crazy coincidences.

For example, we know that on July 29, Manafort tells Kilimnik that Aug 2 would be a good date to meet in NYC.

Trump ABC interview on July 31:

"You know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were, And you have to look at that, also. Now, that was under -- just so you understand, that was done under Obama's administration. ... Crimea has been taken. Don't blame Donald Trump for that."

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (page 139)

oh yeah i remember that. and then ukraine got pissed trump said that so trump said that was proof ukraine interfered to help hillary lol.  thats wild. if only trump followed through and just sat down with mueller.

[TECSHARE]

i didnt make it to read about these parts lol its more interesting than i thought

so paul manafort was convincing russia that if trump won then trump would help russia take over ukraine.  ukraine is our ally russia is our enemy so thats awful.  but trump probably had nothing to do with this part of it, manafort just saw it as win win since hes friends with trump and also the oligarchs right?  all this must have just given russia even more motivation.

Whether or not Trump was aware of or involved in Manafort offering Russia support in dealing with Ukraine (and keeping crimea, the part of Ukraine that Russia had recently invaded), while also passing along campaign info to oligarchs is something that Mueller was not able to prove. 

If Trump didn't know then there are a ton of crazy coincidences.

For example, we know that on July 29, Manafort tells Kilimnik that Aug 2 would be a good date to meet in NYC.

Trump ABC interview on July 31:

"You know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were, And you have to look at that, also. Now, that was under -- just so you understand, that was done under Obama's administration. ... Crimea has been taken. Don't blame Donald Trump for that."

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (page 139)

So in summary, after years of baseless accusations with no evidence, you still have suspicions you have no proof of, but you don't need proof, because of course orange man bad.

[TwitchySeal]

i didnt make it to read about these parts lol its more interesting than i thought

so paul manafort was convincing russia that if trump won then trump would help russia take over ukraine.  ukraine is our ally russia is our enemy so thats awful.  but trump probably had nothing to do with this part of it, manafort just saw it as win win since hes friends with trump and also the oligarchs right?  all this must have just given russia even more motivation.

Whether or not Trump was aware of or involved in Manafort offering Russia support in dealing with Ukraine (and keeping crimea, the part of Ukraine that Russia had recently invaded), while also passing along campaign info to oligarchs is something that Mueller was not able to prove. 

If Trump didn't know then there are a ton of crazy coincidences.

For example, we know that on July 29, Manafort tells Kilimnik that Aug 2 would be a good date to meet in NYC.

Trump ABC interview on July 31:

"You know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were, And you have to look at that, also. Now, that was under -- just so you understand, that was done under Obama's administration. ... Crimea has been taken. Don't blame Donald Trump for that."

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (page 139)

oh yeah i remember that. and then ukraine got pissed trump said that so trump said that was proof ukraine interfered to help hillary lol.  thats wild. if only trump followed through and just sat down with mueller.

He actually did ask him about these questions in the written statements.

Questions:

A) Prior to mid-August 2016, did you become aware that Paul Manafort had ties to the
Ukrainian government? Ifyes, describe who you learned this information from, when, and
the substance of what you were told. Did Mr. Manafort's connections to the Ukrainian or
Russian governments play any role in your decision to have him join your campaign? If
yes, describe that role.

B)Were you aware that Paul Manafort offered briefings on the progress of your campaign to
Oleg Deripaska? If yes, describe who you learned this information from, when, the
substance of what you were told, what you understood the purpose was of sharing such
information with Mr. Deripaska, and how you responded to learning this information.

C) Were you aware ofwhether Paul Manafort or anyone else associated with your campaign
sent or directed others to send internal Trump campaign information to any person located
in Ukraine or Russia or associated with the Ukrainian or Russian governments? If yes,
identify who provided you with this information, when, the substance ofthe discussion(s),
what you understood the purpose was of sharing the internal campaign information, and
how you responded to learning this information.

D) Did Paul Manafort communicate to you, directly or indirectly, any positions Ukraine or
Russia would want the U.S. to support? If yes, describe when he communicated those
positions to you and the substance of those communications.

Trumps response to Question IV, Parts (a) through (d):

Mr. Manafort was hired primarily because of his delegate work for prior presidential candidates,
including Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Bob Dole. I knew that Mr.
Manafort had done international consulting work and, at some time before Mr. Manafort left the
campaign, I learned that he was somehow involved with individuals concerning Ukraine, but I do
not remember the specifics of what I knew at the time.

I had no knowledge of Mr. Manafort offering briefings on the progress of my campaign to an
individual named Oleg Deripaska, nor do I remember being aware of Mr. Manafort or anyone else
associated with my campaign sending or directing others to send internal Trump Campaign
information to anyone I knew to be in Ukraine or Russia at the time or to anyone I understood to
be a Ukrainian or Russian government employee or official. I do not remember Mr. Manafort
communicating to me any particular positions Ukraine or Russia would want the United States to
support.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (p. 438)

[TECSHARE]

[more topic sliding designed to avoid addressing the fact that all of these investigations were based on fraud and ended up being proved baseless]

You really are desperate to cling to this delusion of Russia collusion at all costs aren't you?

[dupeddonk]

[more topic sliding designed to avoid addressing the fact that all of these investigations were based on fraud and ended up being proved baseless]

You really are desperate to cling to this delusion of Russia collusion at all costs aren't you?

his campaign manager was working with russia to help get trump elected.  he told them if trump won, they would have support from america on their invasion of ukraine.  he passed them internal campaign data and regularly briefed them on things only a campaign insider would know. he was convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy to commit offenses against the United States

[TECSHARE]

[more topic sliding designed to avoid addressing the fact that all of these investigations were based on fraud and ended up being proved baseless]

You really are desperate to cling to this delusion of Russia collusion at all costs aren't you?

his campaign manager was working with russia to help get trump elected.  he told them if trump won, they would have support from america on their invasion of ukraine.  he passed them internal campaign data and regularly briefed them on things only a campaign insider would know. he was convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy to commit offenses against the United States

Citiation needed.

[BADecker]

Let me just leave this here. I'm not going to go into detail.

The Coronavirus pandemic has been introduced by Trump's team, and by people who are backing him, many of whom are true God-believing Jews and Christians.

The reason why? To drain the Swamp in areas and ways that won't work in any other way.

If you are a good person, one who doesn't like corruption, pray that the Swamp gets drained fast, and that God will clear a way for us to come back into stabilization.

[TwitchySeal]

[more topic sliding designed to avoid addressing the fact that all of these investigations were based on fraud and ended up being proved baseless]

You really are desperate to cling to this delusion of Russia collusion at all costs aren't you?

his campaign manager was working with russia to help get trump elected.  he told them if trump won, they would have support from america on their invasion of ukraine.  he passed them internal campaign data and regularly briefed them on things only a campaign insider would know. he was convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy to commit offenses against the United States

Citiation needed.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

On September 14, 2018, Manafort
pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to (1) conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy to
commit offenses against the United States

[TECSHARE]

his campaign manager was working with russia to help get trump elected.  he told them if trump won, they would have support from america on their invasion of ukraine.  he passed them internal campaign data and regularly briefed them on things only a campaign insider would know. he was convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy to commit offenses against the United States

Citation needed in bold.

[dupeddonk]

wait you dont think manafort is not guilty because he pleaded guilty so it doesnt count?

[TwitchySeal]

his campaign manager was working with russia to help get trump elected.  he told them if trump won, they would have support from america on their invasion of ukraine.  he passed them internal campaign data and regularly briefed them on things only a campaign insider would know. he was convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy to commit offenses against the United States

Citation needed in bold.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

The section titled 'Paul Manafort'
Chapter IV, A), part 8.


Why not just read the report so you can have an intelligent discussion without having to ask for help. 

[TECSHARE]

wait you dont think manafort is not guilty because he pleaded guilty so it doesnt count?

Wait do you think you can read my mind and tell me what I am thinking?

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

The section titled 'Paul Manafort'
Chapter IV, A), part 8.


Why not just read the report so you can have an intelligent discussion without having to ask for help. 

It is your job to source your own arguments, not my job. You have shown an aversion to sourcing your claims repeatedly in the past. Also when you are forced to source your claims it makes it that much harder for you to move the goal posts after I dismantle your assertions.


"Mueller Withheld "Details That Would Exonerate The President" Of Having Kremlin Backchannel"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-03/mueller-withheld-details-would-exonerate-president-over-trump-tower-moscow



"“Though Cohen may have lied to Congress about the dates,” one Hill investigator said, “it's clear from personal messages he sent in 2015 and 2016 that the Trump Organization did not have formal lines of communication set up with Putin’s office or the Kremlin during the campaign. There was no secret ‘back channel.’”

    “So as far as collusion goes,” the source added, "the project is actually more exculpatory than incriminating for Trump and his campaign.” -RCI"


"The Trump Tower Moscow meeting - spearheaded by New York real estate developer and longtime FBI and CIA asset, Felix Sater, bears a passing resemblance to the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting between members of the Trump campaign and a Russian attorney (who hated Trump), and which was set up by a British concert promotor tied to Fusion GPS - the firm Hillary Clinton's campaign paid to write the salacious and unverified "Trump-Russia Dossier." "



"Man Cited As Trump's "Russian Link" Actually Works For The FBI"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-12/man-cited-trumps-russian-link-actually-works-fbi



"As Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch noted of Mueller's strategy: ""Mueller seems desperate to confuse Americans by conflating the cancelled and legitimate Russia business venture with the Russia collusion theory he was actually hired to investigate," said Fitton. "This is a transparent attempt to try to embarrass the president.""



From "Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election" P. 66


"Outreach fromindividuals with ties toRussia continued in the spring and summer of 2016, when  Trump  was  moving  toward—and  eventually  becoming—the  Republican  nominee  for President.  As set forthbelow, the Office alsoevaluated aseries of links during this period: outreach  to  two  of  Trump’s  then-recently  named  foreign  policy  advisors,  including  a representation that Russia had “dirt” on Clinton in the formofthousands of emails (VolumeI, Sections IV.A.2 & IV.A.3); dealings with aD.C.-based think tank that specializes in Russia andhas connections with its government (VolumeI, Section IV.A.4); a meeting at Trump Towerbetween the Campaign and a Russian lawyer promising dirt on candidate Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for [Trump]” (Volume I, SectionIV.A.5); events at theRepublican National Convention (Volume I, Section IV.A.6); post-Convention contacts between Trump  Campaign  officials  and  Russia’sambassador  totheUnited States  (VolumeI,  SectionIV.A.7); and contacts through campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who had previously worked for a Russian oligarch and a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine (Volume I, Section IV.A.."



So far I see a failed real estate licensing deal with no direct ties to the Kremlin or Putin, and Manafort previously doing some lobbying for USA allies, Ukraine. I don't see this claim supported anywhere:

his campaign manager was working with russia to help get trump elected.  he told them if trump won, they would have support from america on their invasion of ukraine.

[TwitchySeal]

From "Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election" P. 66

So far I see a failed real estate licensing deal with no direct ties to the Kremlin or Putin, and Manafort previously doing some lobbying for USA allies, Ukraine. I don't see this claim supported anywhere:

his campaign manager was working with russia to help get trump elected.  he told them if trump won, they would have support from america on their invasion of ukraine.

You're only on the first page of chapter IV "RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LINKS TO AND CONTACTS WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN".  I recommend reading the whole chapter, but if you want to skip ahead Section 8 is all about Manafort. If you if you see a name you don't recognize, make sure you ctrl+f the name to find an explanation of what that persons role is.  The Russian names are confusing to keep track of - at least for me.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

The section titled 'Paul Manafort'
Chapter IV, A), part 8.

Pro tip: The table of contents is clickable.

[Spendulus]

From "Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election" P. 66

So far I see a failed real estate licensing deal with no direct ties to the Kremlin or Putin, and Manafort previously doing some lobbying for USA allies, Ukraine. I don't see this claim supported anywhere:

his campaign manager was working with russia to help get trump elected.  he told them if trump won, they would have support from america on their invasion of ukraine.

You're only on the first page of chapter IV "RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LINKS TO AND CONTACTS WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN".  I recommend reading the whole chapter, but if you want to skip ahead Section 8 is all about Manafort. If you if you see a name you don't recognize, make sure you ctrl+f the name to find an explanation of what that persons role is.  The Russian names are confusing to keep track of - at least for me.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

The section titled 'Paul Manafort'
Chapter IV, A), part 8.

Pro tip: The table of contents is clickable.

Are you trying to draw conclusions about guilt based on charges that did not result in a conviction on that charge by the jury involved?

[TwitchySeal]

From "Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election" P. 66

So far I see a failed real estate licensing deal with no direct ties to the Kremlin or Putin, and Manafort previously doing some lobbying for USA allies, Ukraine. I don't see this claim supported anywhere:

his campaign manager was working with russia to help get trump elected.  he told them if trump won, they would have support from america on their invasion of ukraine.

You're only on the first page of chapter IV "RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LINKS TO AND CONTACTS WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN".  I recommend reading the whole chapter, but if you want to skip ahead Section 8 is all about Manafort. If you if you see a name you don't recognize, make sure you ctrl+f the name to find an explanation of what that persons role is.  The Russian names are confusing to keep track of - at least for me.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

The section titled 'Paul Manafort'
Chapter IV, A), part 8.

Pro tip: The table of contents is clickable.

Are you trying to draw conclusions about guilt based on charges that did not result in a conviction on that charge by the jury involved?

I'm drawing the conclusion that Paul Manafort, former Trump Campaign Chairman, has a felony conviction for conspiracy to defraud the United States.