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November 29, 2018, 11:33:25 PM
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He probably doesn’t have time for this. You broke the rules and you got banned. Usually it doesn’t matter if you did a lot of « great » for the forum over the years.



If you did a lot of great work for this forum I hope one copy and paste would not be a perm ban. Depending on severity of the instance. We are trying to rid the forum of serial spammers who have nothing to say of their own that is of any value and is just there to gain them a few bucks promoting some spam campaign. I would not want to get rid of many good legend members for this kind of thing.

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November 30, 2018, 12:20:08 AM
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He probably doesn’t have time for this. You broke the rules and you got banned. Usually it doesn’t matter if you did a lot of « great » for the forum over the years.



If you did a lot of great work for this forum I hope one copy and paste would not be a perm ban. Depending on severity of the instance. We are trying to rid the forum of serial spammers who have nothing to say of their own that is of any value and is just there to gain them a few bucks promoting some spam campaign. I would not want to get rid of many good legend members for this kind of thing.
I agree with you. I know yeswepump because he's a member of the Italian community and he's always been very active and helpful with several projects/bounties. He made a few mistakes but banning him in my opinion is a bit too much, maybe a suspension would have been better especially because he recognized more than once in this thread that he was wrong, it would be a pity losing a good user like him.
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November 30, 2018, 12:54:02 AM
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If you did a lot of great work for this forum I hope one copy and paste would not be a perm ban. Depending on severity of the instance. We are trying to rid the forum of serial spammers who have nothing to say of their own that is of any value and is just there to gain them a few bucks promoting some spam campaign. I would not want to get rid of many good legend members for this kind of thing.

Nope, the rules apply to everyone. Copy and pasting is absolutely not tolerated here. There is never a case where you will accidentally plagiarise. We've previously talked about plagarism spam vs incorrectly cited passages, so I hope we don't need to further discuss what if scenarios. Whether you are a legendary account or not, you shouldn't have any impunity to the rules. If you are here to gain a few bucks promoting some spam campaign, as long as you don't spam, its fine. The second you start spamming, you are detracting from other's forum experience to earn those few bucks, and need to be politely told to leave. A few years ago, the only copy and paste spam reports that I recall seeing were just bots advertising ED medicine or something. People just copy and pasting other people's posts is a relatively new thing. Its started because of signature advertising, its unbelievably lazy, and there can't be any tolerance for it.

The people who have been here for years and have done a lot of great work aren't here for the signature ads that incentive's spamming. Even if they are, they know better than to spam, and can get their post counts up by continuing to be helpful and do the same great work they've been doing all along. Copy and pasting posts is just lazy. If you want an excuse to get your post count up, go help some newbies, don't try to artificially inflate your post count with spam.

Look at that, this upped my post count by 1, but I'm reasonably confident it wont be reported as spam.

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November 30, 2018, 08:49:17 AM
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Nope, the rules apply to everyone. Copy and pasting is absolutely not tolerated here. There is never a case where you will accidentally plagiarise. We've previously talked about plagarism spam vs incorrectly cited passages, so I hope we don't need to further discuss what if scenarios. Whether you are a legendary account or not, you shouldn't have any impunity to the rules. If you are here to gain a few bucks promoting some spam campaign, as long as you don't spam, its fine. The second you start spamming, you are detracting from other's forum experience to earn those few bucks, and need to be politely told to leave. A few years ago, the only copy and paste spam reports that I recall seeing were just bots advertising ED medicine or something. People just copy and pasting other people's posts is a relatively new thing. Its started because of signature advertising, its unbelievably lazy, and there can't be any tolerance for it.

The people who have been here for years and have done a lot of great work aren't here for the signature ads that incentive's spamming. Even if they are, they know better than to spam, and can get their post counts up by continuing to be helpful and do the same great work they've been doing all along. Copy and pasting posts is just lazy. If you want an excuse to get your post count up, go help some newbies, don't try to artificially inflate your post count with spam.

Look at that, this upped my post count by 1, but I'm reasonably confident it wont be reported as spam.

Thanks SaltySpitoon for your reflection. Since I have already admitted my faults, and that I hadn't read this meta section before today (I suppose this can't be my fault if I read other sections and not this one), and that I was not aware of this direct permaban for plagiarism (again my fault - the mother of all my faults!), my humble request is to receive a penalty that is not permanent.

I already know that people in this meta section is here mainly to gain merits (another thing I didn't know before this fact) so most people here will say that I can just leave forever, since they are perfect while I'm the sinner.

My request is to Theymos, which people tells me is the only one that can remove permabans, in order to be judged not only for my 1 or 2 or 3 or whatever sins, but also for my contributions made over the years.

In other words, instead of death penalty, I humbly request any other kind of clemency.

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November 30, 2018, 09:47:27 AM
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I already know that people in this meta section is here mainly to gain merits (another thing I didn't know before this fact) so most people here will say that I can just leave forever, since they are perfect while I'm the sinner.

Is this true? Kind of weird and ironic. It is where a lot of Merit sources / holders hang out but I'm personally here for the entertainment.

Reported for plagiarism:

I'm reasonably confident

I'm reasonably confident

J/K... i think copyright infringement is at least 7 words in a row anyway

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November 30, 2018, 11:37:18 AM
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I already know that people in this meta section is here mainly to gain merits (another thing I didn't know before this fact)

Nah. Most people are actually just in Meta to try get their ban for plagiarism removed.

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November 30, 2018, 01:51:29 PM
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Update:

Your post
Cryptopia is pleased to announce support for the upcoming Penguin (PENG) coin swap.

All PENG balances held on Cryptopia by the 25th of August 2018 will be swapped 10:1 to the new PENG coin.

Please complete any PENG deposits and trades on Cryptopia before the 25th of August 2018 23:00 UTC for them to be credited and swapped to the new coin. Any transactions after this time may not be credited.

Old PENG transactions will not be supported after the 25th of August 2018.

Cryptopia will implement the new PENG wallet and credit users with 1 new PENG coin for every 10 old coins once we've completed our swap procedure. We will provide any further updates as they become available.


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Cryptopia is pleased to announce support for the upcoming Penguin (PENG) coin swap.
All PENG balances held on Cryptopia by the 25th of August 2018 will be swapped 10:1 to the new PENG coin.
Please complete any PENG deposits and trades on Cryptopia before the 25th of August 2018 23:00 UTC for them to be credited and swapped to the new coin. Any transactions after this time may not be credited.
Old PENG transactions will not be supported after the 25th of August 2018.
Cryptopia will implement the new PENG wallet and credit users with 1 new PENG coin for every 10 old coins once we've completed our swap procedure. We will provide any further updates as they become available.


This will be good to be reported as plagiarism if only you put the reference then this could be a different story.

It seems quite obvious to me that the copied content was from Cryptopia, even without "quotes" or "reference" even though it should've been noted that the author was Cryptopia. E.g. that "We will provide..." obviously hints that it's a copy paste from some announcement by Cryptopia. Or in other words, I don't see that anyone really took this content to be written by the banned user, as it is obvious that it's Cryptopia's announcement. Not something that plagiarism is...

Also AFAIK it's allowed to create an alt account to appeal for the ban, which is not considered as ban evasion itself.

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November 30, 2018, 05:03:40 PM
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It seems quite obvious to me that the copied content was from Cryptopia, even without "quotes" or "reference" even though it should've been noted that the author was Cryptopia. E.g. that "We will provide..." obviously hints that it's a copy paste from some announcement by Cryptopia. Or in other words, I don't see that anyone really took this content to be written by the banned user, as it is obvious that it's Cryptopia's announcement. Not something that plagiarism is...

I agree with you regarding this one post from Cryptopia, but if you read down the thread, he has been busted multiple times for plagiarism. On one occasion he even pasted his own referral link at the bottom of a plagiarized post - i.e. he knew fine well what he was doing and was doing it for monetary gain.

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November 30, 2018, 08:44:40 PM
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If you did a lot of great work for this forum I hope one copy and paste would not be a perm ban. Depending on severity of the instance. We are trying to rid the forum of serial spammers who have nothing to say of their own that is of any value and is just there to gain them a few bucks promoting some spam campaign. I would not want to get rid of many good legend members for this kind of thing.

Nope, the rules apply to everyone. Copy and pasting is absolutely not tolerated here. There is never a case where you will accidentally plagiarise. We've previously talked about plagarism spam vs incorrectly cited passages, so I hope we don't need to further discuss what if scenarios. Whether you are a legendary account or not, you shouldn't have any impunity to the rules. If you are here to gain a few bucks promoting some spam campaign, as long as you don't spam, its fine. The second you start spamming, you are detracting from other's forum experience to earn those few bucks, and need to be politely told to leave. A few years ago, the only copy and paste spam reports that I recall seeing were just bots advertising ED medicine or something. People just copy and pasting other people's posts is a relatively new thing. Its started because of signature advertising, its unbelievably lazy, and there can't be any tolerance for it.

The people who have been here for years and have done a lot of great work aren't here for the signature ads that incentive's spamming. Even if they are, they know better than to spam, and can get their post counts up by continuing to be helpful and do the same great work they've been doing all along. Copy and pasting posts is just lazy. If you want an excuse to get your post count up, go help some newbies, don't try to artificially inflate your post count with spam.

Look at that, this upped my post count by 1, but I'm reasonably confident it wont be reported as spam.


I'm sorry to disagree with you since you seem like a decent guy for sure.

Copy and paste is context dependent for a perm ban. I can't think how what Theymos has said said can be interpreted any other way in his most recent post on the matter.

Of course the context will be ultimately up to Theymos. Also if he even has time to review it. So that could be unlikely. Unless there was a huge outcry about someone being banned like in the case of anonymint.  Perm banning his account was a bad idea since a lot of posts he made were of great value to many including new persons seeking information. He could have just has his account frozen so he could not post but to delete all his 40k posts was quite a big loss to the board imho.

Guides, jokes , and being helpful with no financial motivation should obviously not get a legend banned. That is totally not in the spirit of this board. I have no idea why anyone would like to see that even happen.

No black and white, no robotic attitude, just simple human decision based on the individual circumstances. Imagine you found someone like gmaxwell had in all of his posts accidentally missed a reference in something he had posted. Would we simply say bye bye to one of the smartest people here for good and delete all of his posts?

Nobody is above the rules because I would not even want a newbie banned for honestly trying to be helpful.... but even less a legend that has done a lot of good to help a lot of people.

Of course others doing this to bump post counts and earn a few bucks need to be deleted.

I don't know why people are still saying that the punishment is not context dependent after Theymos last post. He is actually a very sensible and balanced person from what I can tell and would not like to see this kind of thing spiral out of control.

Of course I see the issue with not making it black and white hence why there needs to be the option of paying 0.1 btc to have your account fully reviewed if you believe you are net positive after copy and paste (not guides for noobs to mine, not humour from films etc) forund on your account.

I agree no way to have people above the rules but still we need a sensible approach where we can get rid of the spammers/scammers but not ban the net positive.

Also going back too far is strange, I mean this was not something that was policed before so going back 3 years is enough, that was really before all financially motivated people with no real enthusiasm for the environment we all want to create here turned up. If someone has made a mistake 3 years ago and not since seems very weird to punish them harshly now. I know you can't murder someone and 3 years later expect to get let off but let's remain sensible in our comparisons.

Let's clean up the board but try to not remove any net positive contributors.

I can not say about this person but he has said he would be more than willing to pay 0.1 btc for review so to me he sounds confident unless he likes blowing money away.

I am not putting blame anywhere because it is a nightmare to try and keep the board in a state that is practical for all. However legends do deserve review if they believe they are net positive over the years. That is years of work just deleted so this does need a lot of consideration. I mean I can't imagine what anonymint must feel after having years of work deleted. Some people really have over the years poured HUGE effort into helping others and stopping them getting scammed and also trying to teach them things.

This board has been the best board on the net for years ... so to suddenly be banned from it would be a dreadful thing. Let's have some empathy for others.

1 in 1000 seems reasonable of course not for financial reasons too.

Let's start with temp ban +rank reduction merit reduction. Perm ban straight away for everyone for any copy paste is too harsh.














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I think that the only question everyone should answer is: Is this permanent ban too much? Is it possible that the decision of a single user can cause a pemanent ban?
I am not happy with this kind of ban because they will destroy bitcointalk forum, banning good users.
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Angry I think that the only question everyone should answer is: Is this permanent ban too much?  Angry

Sad Is it possible that the decision of a single user can cause a pemanent ban? Sad

Cry I am not happy with this kind of ban because they will destroy bitcointalk forum, banning good users. Cry

The ban was reasonable and you should be temp-banned for whining about it.

Then, your temp ban should be made permanent for writing a Goodbye Cruel World post in the indirect form of a bitcointalk obituary.


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February 07, 2019, 09:08:49 AM
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I do happen to think that some of the plagiarism perma bans are way overly harsh here. A 4.5 year old account here thrown straight in the bin.

Sad!

I think there should be a warning / temp ban first depending on the circumstances.

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One suggestion that was talked about is if the plagiarism is done due to monetary gains - the user would be permabanned.
If the plagiarism was caused due to forgetting to provide a source link or not giving credit to the original author - maybe a reconsideration if the complete post history of the user is positive and he made significant contributions to the forum. But it has been said that only one account was brought back from permabanned status.

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February 07, 2019, 10:43:19 AM
Last edit: February 07, 2019, 12:23:23 PM by LFC_Bitcoin
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One suggestion that was talked about is if the plagiarism is done due to monetary gains - the user would be permabanned.
If the plagiarism was caused due to forgetting to provide a source link or not giving credit to the original author - maybe a reconsideration if the complete post history of the user is positive and he made significant contributions to the forum. But it has been said that only one account was brought back from permabanned status.

Totally agree with the points made in the quoted post. There should be movement for a reprieve in some cases. Imagine copying & pasting something you find interesting or useful that you want to share but forget to credit the original source, you then lose your account that you’ve had for years.

 I definitely think they need to have a think about the plagiarism rules. I’m sure 95% of plagiarism is done by shit posters to fill sig campaign quotas or shill shit tokens or ICO’s but there will definitely be exceptions & I don’t think it’s fair to lose your account for a genuine mistake.

Perhaps a panel of 3 DT1 or DT2 members make a decision where majority rule decides the fate of accounts. I definitely do not think plagiarism = total ban. There should be wriggle room for genuine posters who make a mistake.

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Perhaps a panel of 3 DT1 or DT2 members make a decision where majority rule decides the fate of accounts. I definitely do not think plagiarism = total ban. There should be wriggle room for genuine posters who make a mistake.

This has nothing to do with DT. It is forum policy  that theymos need to decide whether he want the alternative punishment or not.
And do not be lenient with plagiarist , because it take too much time and effort to find them.

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