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May 28, 2019, 04:58:11 PM
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Dude, Virat Kohli is 10 times better than Sachin and Sehwag combined. I don't have anything against Sachin. But I believe that he was given a larger than life image by the media. The vast majority of his tons came against weak sides such as Zimbabwe and Kenya, and that too on flat tracks. BTW, I don't have anything against Bangladesh... the border is just 20 km from my village.
Never ever compare Sachin Tendulkar with anyone else in world cricket, Lara and Sachin are the greatest modern day cricketers and you have to be ashamed if you compare legendary players who played the game of cricket when there was bigger grounds and better world class bowlers and good pitches and there were no rules favoring the batsmen when they started playing and they scored runs around the globe. Kohli is a good player and we know how many world class bowlers are there in world cricket now  Tongue.

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May 28, 2019, 05:22:18 PM
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Sachin always faced criticism for not performing well in overseas pitches. I can remember dozens of matches, in which he failed against good bowling lineups (especially the Australian combo of Glenn McGrath and  Brett Lee). Out of his 49 ODI hundreds only 12 were scored outside the sub-continent (less than one-fourth and this includes centuries against Kenya and Zimbabwe).  

But I agree when you say that he was hugely inspirational. At his peak, he was the most popular individual in India. Even more than any Bollywood actor or national politician.
Not sure why you mentioned Sachin failed in overseas and later showed a data of subcontinent area.
Sachin total century in ODI- 49
In India- 20
In overseas- 29

In test, out of 51 century, he has 29 century in overseas.

Sachin is only one piece, as royse said, he is the one for which at least India has such big batting line up.
Sachin failed against Bret Lee? Mcgrath?

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I'll be going to bed having nightmares of Sachin just running down the wicket and belting me back over the head for six. He was unstoppable. I don't think anyone, apart from Don Bradman, is in the same class as Sachin Tendulkar.


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May 28, 2019, 05:36:37 PM
Merited by eaLiTy (1), Little Mouse (1)
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~snip~

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I'll be going to bed having nightmares of Sachin just running down the wicket and belting me back over the head for six. He was unstoppable. I don't think anyone, apart from Don Bradman, is in the same class as Sachin Tendulkar.


I read this quote too, can't remember when but this shows that how dangerous Sachin was for the top class bowlers. I remember Sachin giving nightmare to Shoaib Akhtar, Glenn McGrath, Wasim Akram, Sane Warne

This something I found: https://www.quora.com/Is-Virat-Kohli-facing-relatively-easy-bowling-attack-compared-to-what-Sachin-Tendulkar-faced-in-his-era

I think this speaks better.

The bowlers Sachin faced:


The bowlers Kohli is facing/faced:


No disrespect for anyone but find me a Muttiah Muralitharan, Shane Warn, Shoaib Akhtar, Glenn McGrath, Wasim Akram or even Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock. Forget about the Pitch and boundary.

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May 28, 2019, 05:42:37 PM
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Out of his 49 ODI hundreds only 12 were scored outside the sub-continent (less than one-fourth and this includes centuries against Kenya and Zimbabwe).  
In test, out of his 51 century, he had 3 century against Zimbabwe, no century against Kenya or lower team you mentioned. (Not sure if Kenya played test)
In ODI, out of 49, he had 10 century against Zimbabwe, Kenya and 1 against Namibia.

I was way to sleep but noticed your post, to be honest, you have no idea about whom you are talking. You know he is GOD of cricket. He has introduced the century of century, double century in ODI, and the thousand club(for most club).

No disrespect for anyone but find me a Muttiah Muralitharan, Shane Warn, Shoaib Akhtar, Glenn McGrath, Wasim Akram or even Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock. Forget about the Pitch and boundary.
This..
I respect Kohli, he is one of my favorite player.
But there's no bowler like Shane Warne not Muttiah these days.
Saaed Ajmol or Rashid Khan is far away from that class.

However, if Virat would face world class bowler, I would still says there's no way of comparing Sachin with anyone.

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May 28, 2019, 06:07:23 PM
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No disrespect for anyone but find me a Muttiah Muralitharan, Shane Warn, Shoaib Akhtar, Glenn McGrath, Wasim Akram or even Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock. Forget about the Pitch and boundary.
No one in world cricket was under pressure like Sachin Tendulkar as we all know the immense hope we had in him to score runs every time he goes out to bat, i grew up seeing Sachin play right from his debut and the people of my age will understand his influence in the game and why India love cricket more than any other sport, remember hockey is our national game, if not for Sachin we will not see these big endorsement we have now.
The bowlers he faced and i can quote many legendary bowlers praising Sachin and his skills, a gentlemen inside and outside of cricket and he is the true role model for kids.
Right now the average of many players in ODI is close to 50. I wonder how they will play if they face bowlers like Mitchell Johnson, Jason Gillespie, Shoaib Akhtar, Brett Lee, Waqar Younis, Wasim Akram, Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Malcolm Marshall, Imran Khan, Glenn McGrath, Shaun Pollock, Allan Donald, Ian Botham, Makhaya Ntini, Craig McDermott, Damien Fleming, Shane Bond, Muttiah Muralitharan, shane Warne, Abdul Qadir, Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed, Daniel Vettori, Chaminda Vaas and the list goes on.

I am not including Dale Steyn and Jimmy Anderson as they are still playing and Sachin smashed them and remember the first double century in ODI against Steyn and company.

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No disrespect for anyone but find me a Muttiah Muralitharan, Shane Warn, Shoaib Akhtar, Glenn McGrath, Wasim Akram or even Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock. Forget about the Pitch and boundary.
No one in world cricket was under pressure like Sachin Tendulkar as we all know the immense hope we had in him to score runs every time he goes out to bat, i grew up seeing Sachin play right from his debut and the people of my age will understand his influence in the game and why India love cricket more than any other sport, remember hockey is our national game, if not for Sachin we will not see these big endorsement we have now.
The bowlers he faced and i can quote many legendary bowlers praising Sachin and his skills, a gentlemen inside and outside of cricket and he is the true role model for kids.
Right now the average of many players in ODI is close to 50. I wonder how they will play if they face bowlers like Mitchell Johnson, Jason Gillespie, Shoaib Akhtar, Brett Lee, Waqar Younis, Wasim Akram, Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Malcolm Marshall, Imran Khan, Glenn McGrath, Shaun Pollock, Allan Donald, Ian Botham, Makhaya Ntini, Craig McDermott, Damien Fleming, Shane Bond, Muttiah Muralitharan, shane Warne, Abdul Qadir, Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed, Daniel Vettori, Chaminda Vaas and the list goes on.

I am not including Dale Steyn and Jimmy Anderson as they are still playing and Sachin smashed them and remember the first double century in ODI against Steyn and company.
However there are players far better than Sachin, and now through IPL some has got identified. During the early days the competence isn't that high which gave him the opportunity to play for a long even if he hasn't performed good at times. Now the scenario is different, if one hasn't performed good in few matches he'll be in the fifteen members but won't get into the playing eleven. Moreover over the years kohli will smash all the records that have been made by Sachin who is prasied as the God of cricket, and in my personal opinion he played for his records than playing for the country.

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All I need to say here is India needs Dhoni as a captain if they dream of getting anything near to the finals. This game proves nothing, just two Indian players had their day while Bangladesh struggled to chase a large target. Bangladesh too played very well. But I feel both of these teams are lacking the vibe for this worldcup.
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No disrespect for anyone but find me a Muttiah Muralitharan, Shane Warn, Shoaib Akhtar, Glenn McGrath, Wasim Akram or even Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock. Forget about the Pitch and boundary.
No one in world cricket was under pressure like Sachin Tendulkar as we all know the immense hope we had in him to score runs every time he goes out to bat, i grew up seeing Sachin play right from his debut and the people of my age will understand his influence in the game and why India love cricket more than any other sport, remember hockey is our national game, if not for Sachin we will not see these big endorsement we have now.
The bowlers he faced and i can quote many legendary bowlers praising Sachin and his skills, a gentlemen inside and outside of cricket and he is the true role model for kids.
Right now the average of many players in ODI is close to 50. I wonder how they will play if they face bowlers like Mitchell Johnson, Jason Gillespie, Shoaib Akhtar, Brett Lee, Waqar Younis, Wasim Akram, Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Malcolm Marshall, Imran Khan, Glenn McGrath, Shaun Pollock, Allan Donald, Ian Botham, Makhaya Ntini, Craig McDermott, Damien Fleming, Shane Bond, Muttiah Muralitharan, shane Warne, Abdul Qadir, Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed, Daniel Vettori, Chaminda Vaas and the list goes on.

I am not including Dale Steyn and Jimmy Anderson as they are still playing and Sachin smashed them and remember the first double century in ODI against Steyn and company.
However there are players far better than Sachin, and now through IPL some has got identified. During the early days the competence isn't that high which gave him the opportunity to play for a long even if he hasn't performed good at times. Now the scenario is different, if one hasn't performed good in few matches he'll be in the fifteen members but won't get into the playing eleven. Moreover over the years kohli will smash all the records that have been made by Sachin who is prasied as the God of cricket, and in my personal opinion he played for his records than playing for the country.

I don't think IPL is a good place to look for ODI players. Though it has certainly made a good platform for a large number of players to showcase their talents and earn, ODI and worldcup are still a different genre. Records are made to be broken but I don't think some of the older records made by legends are going to be broken so soon.

 
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All I need to say here is India needs Dhoni as a captain if they dream of getting anything near to the finals. This game proves nothing, just two Indian players had their day while Bangladesh struggled to chase a large target. Bangladesh too played very well. But I feel both of these teams are lacking the vibe for this worldcup.

Dhoni as a Indian Captain? hmmm not possible, not even in a wildest dream. he already gave his captaincy for good. so everyone should make it peace with it. That's what cricket does, some players performs in the match ,some don't and don't forget Indian spinners and Bumrah's contribution.

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Sachin is only one piece, as royse said, he is the one for which at least India has such big batting line up.
Agree, at early age, in our era, we used to think him as idol. That's how India got thousands of batsman. In our country, teenagers are highly motivated by Shakib Al Hasan. We can expect a bunches of All rounder in the upcoming days. That's how it works.

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Dude, Virat Kohli is 10 times better than Sachin and Sehwag combined. I don't have anything against Sachin.
Excuse me, Sachin is a character who inspired thousands of batsman around the world and if I am not wrong then Kohli, Dhoni are some of them. If Sachin was not exist then you would not find Kohli or others who grew up with a dream that one day they will play like him. Sehwag is no near to Sachin.

There are no comparison for Sachin not even Lara. He was one of another kind.

Sachin always faced criticism for not performing well in overseas pitches. I can remember dozens of matches, in which he failed against good bowling lineups (especially the Australian combo of Glenn McGrath and  Brett Lee). Out of his 49 ODI hundreds only 12 were scored outside the sub-continent (less than one-fourth and this includes centuries against Kenya and Zimbabwe).  

But I agree when you say that he was hugely inspirational. At his peak, he was the most popular individual in India. Even more than any Bollywood actor or national politician.

Other Posters already posted stats and arguments but Vishnu bhai let me know if you want more stats in details. Digging more information takes time but will bring it out for you Cheesy having said that I am not surprised that you are criticizing Sachin. it happens all the time and nothing wrong with it, you are entitled to your viewpoint and Sachin's critics use similar arguments all the time that "he plays for records or he's not match winner" etc

In Indian Cricket Sachin is Feeling, I am sure that Virat Kohli can break all records of Sachin but he can't replace the feeling and TBH we should never compare 2 players from a different era. game has changed so much, you and me both know that.

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However there are players far better than Sachin, and now through IPL some has got identified. During the early days the competence isn't that high which gave him the opportunity to play for a long even if he hasn't performed good at times. Now the scenario is different, if one hasn't performed good in few matches he'll be in the fifteen members but won't get into the playing eleven. Moreover over the years kohli will smash all the records that have been made by Sachin who is prasied as the God of cricket, and in my personal opinion he played for his records than playing for the country.
Are you talking about Don Bradman and Viv Richards, i don't know whether you used to watch cricket for a long time or a recent viewer, IPL is not cricket and you really do not need stamina and patience, just brute force is needed to clear the boundary and everyone with good hand power can do in any pitches around the world now, i guess according to you Gayle and Andre Russel are better than Sachin as they can clear the rope easily  Roll Eyes. As said by many above, you cannot compare cricket players of different generation.
Don Bradman was playing without any protection while the bowlers were aiming for their heads and so does Viv Richards, look at their average, no one could compare them with the players we have now. Tongue

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In Indian Cricket Sachin is Feeling, I am sure that Virat Kohli can break all records of Sachin but he can't replace the feeling and TBH we should never compare 2 players from a different era. game has changed so much, you and me both know that.
One hundred percent i agree with everyone who is with Sachin, he was not just a player he embodied the emotion of every Indian while playing, i am not too sure what the new kids think about Sachin but there was a generation who loved Gavaskar and then when Sachin came to the scene he was everything for the poor and the rich and he was a symbol of hope, if you watch movies there is a movie every cricket lover should watch 1983 there is English subtitles so you will understand it  Smiley.

 
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Other Posters already posted stats and arguments but Vishnu bhai let me know if you want more stats in details. Digging more information takes time but will bring it out for you Cheesy having said that I am not surprised that you are criticizing Sachin. it happens all the time and nothing wrong with it, you are entitled to your viewpoint and Sachin's critics use similar arguments all the time that "he plays for records or he's not match winner" etc

In Indian Cricket Sachin is Feeling, I am sure that Virat Kohli can break all records of Sachin but he can't replace the feeling and TBH we should never compare 2 players from a different era. game has changed so much, you and me both know that.

OK... I would agree with you when you say that these two players can't be compared. They played during different era, and they faced different set of bowlers. Even the conditions were different. Two decades back, the game of cricket was not this much biased towards the batsmen. The bowlers at least had a fighting chance...  Grin

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May 30, 2019, 12:07:47 AM
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Wow, those are some really tempting multipliers! If I had to choose one out of those considering the risk/reward ratio, I'd go for New Zealand.
I consider New Zealand as a good team but do they have the team to win the world cup, highly unlikely considering their history, England and Australia have the chance to win the world cup and Australia always are a competitive team in the history of world cup, they were not performing well on the built up of the tournament but i think they will perform well in the tournament and can lift the world cup once again.
Any tipsters here for cricket.




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May 30, 2019, 02:41:41 AM
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Wow, those are some really tempting multipliers! If I had to choose one out of those considering the risk/reward ratio, I'd go for New Zealand.
I consider New Zealand as a good team but do they have the team to win the world cup, highly unlikely considering their history, England and Australia have the chance to win the world cup and Australia always are a competitive team in the history of world cup, they were not performing well on the built up of the tournament but i think they will perform well in the tournament and can lift the world cup once again.
Any tipsters here for cricket.
Australia didn't perform well? They had played a huge series against India recently and Pakistan as well. Their batsman and bowlers were successful. As usual they had good performance in warm up match as well.

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May 30, 2019, 05:38:30 AM
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Wow, those are some really tempting multipliers! If I had to choose one out of those considering the risk/reward ratio, I'd go for New Zealand.
I consider New Zealand as a good team but do they have the team to win the world cup, highly unlikely considering their history, England and Australia have the chance to win the world cup and Australia always are a competitive team in the history of world cup, they were not performing well on the built up of the tournament but i think they will perform well in the tournament and can lift the world cup once again.
Any tipsters here for cricket.

Neither of then have. So I think New Zealand could grab their first ever world cup if they played well. England too is a good team and would have home advantage. And India is ever strong.

 
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