Problem with negative Trust.

[suchmoon]

How can you even try to understand the problem, if no one can provide solid evidence that there was an evil intent, it was realized and someone was injured !!!

This is not a court of law, but your main problem is that you're approaching this all wrong. You should have tried to understand why your behavior was considered untrustworthy and appeal to yogg directly. That might have worked. This thread has predictably backfired.

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[Andrey123]

How can you even try to understand the problem, if no one can provide solid evidence that there was an evil intent, it was realized and someone was injured !!!

This is not a court of law, but your main problem is that you're approaching this all wrong. You should have tried to understand why your behavior was considered untrustworthy and appeal to yogg directly. That might have worked. This thread has predictably backfired.

I explained to yogg that a lot of time had passed, and I deserved approval.
Since no selfish goals pursued.
He simply replied that there would be no change in decisions, and that’s all ...

You also do not want to understand my alarm (
To compare me with the scammers who create hundreds of accounts per day, in the hope of fooling someone, this is very scary!
After all, no one sees the advantages that I have made for the forum ...
I did not create bad topics ...
I do not cheat people ....
I try to be helpful ...

But no one sees this .... just some old messages that have not offended anyone.

This is true??

[suchmoon]

I explained to yogg that a lot of time had passed, and I deserved approval.
Since no selfish goals pursued.
He simply replied that there would be no change in decisions, and that’s all ...

You also do not want to understand my alarm (
To compare me with the scammers who create hundreds of accounts per day, in the hope of fooling someone, this is very scary!
After all, no one sees the advantages that I have made for the forum ...
I did not create bad topics ...
I do not cheat people ....
I try to be helpful ...

But no one sees this .... just some old messages that have not offended anyone.

This is true??

I'm not surprised by yogg's response if your explanation was like above.

The way you asked for the loan is considered untrustworthy by many users here. You seem to be unable to understand that so your trust rating reflects this.

[Andrey123]

I'm not surprised by yogg's response if your explanation was like above.

The way you asked for the loan is considered untrustworthy by many users here. You seem to be unable to understand that so your trust rating reflects this.

But you understand that a year and a half has passed!
And it was just a question?

There was a need, I wondered, got an answer and changed my mind.
Where in this chain is deception and fraud
Why blame a person?
You can not blame the person only from the assumptions!
It violates even the Convention on Human Rights!

If, for example, the FBI knocks on your house and says that a man like you has deceived a bank of $ 100,000 ... but we don’t really want to understand everything.

We decided that you are alike and put you in prison for life. And the decision can not be appealed.

What are you going to do? Who to ask for advice?

Here I am now in a similar situation ...

[Lauda]

It violates even the Convention on Human Rights!

What is this nonsense? How old are you? You are not making your case any better IMO.

[suchmoon]

Convention on Human Rights!
FBI
prison for life
Here I am now in a similar situation ...

No, you're not. You're a shady persona on an internet forum. Nobody is putting you in prison. You can still use the forum or you can leave.

[Andrey123]

It violates even the Convention on Human Rights!

What is this nonsense? How old are you? You are not making your case any better IMO.

I have enough years ....
What does this have to do with your speculations?

You did not say anything about the essence of my problem, but only grin and insult ...
Is this attitude to me because I live in Russia?
Personal dislike or what?

You will answer me: I really cheated someone a year and a half ago and this one suffers?
Or are you at the same time with yogg and just put a negative trust, because no one can influence you?

Or do you do it on purpose so that participants with high ranks cannot participate in bounty and develop further?

I'm right?

[yogg]

There was a need, I wondered, got an answer and changed my mind.

This isn't what happened. You are trying to prettify the facts.

Is this attitude to me because I live in Russia?

Sincerely this thought hasn't even strucked me. You're seeing attacks where there is none, really.

You are missing one important thing!
Because no one understands me!
Asking a question and receiving some kind of answer does not mean that the person has conceived a deception ...

~snip~

The sun will explode in a million years, and what? Now go to bed and die because of this assumption?

You really seem to have trouble to understand what is going on. Let me clarify the reason why this feedback will remain.

And the fact that I just asked! Wrote as is and waited for suggestions.
They explained to me that my request was not feasible, the question was closed.
So where did I earn bad trust?
Just asking a question that someone misinterpreted ??

Let's get the facts clear and reply to the points above.
The reason why this feedback will stay isn't only about a completely insane loan request.
It is not "request was not feasible, question closed", as you brag all thread long.
You kept the question open and harassed me for 3 days, after I politely declined on the first day.

I have denied the loan to you on the 2nd of May 2017.



I misclicked and removed the above reply to it, but the quote of your loan request is still there.

On the next day, you replied the following :

I wrote that I will send you my trading strategies, there some indicators are more expensive and all together priceless.
Plus my documents and a receipt on the loan.

I do not come back on my decision : denied.
You still do not offer proper collateral.

Please check these threads :
- The Rule of "No Collateral, No Loan"
- EXERCISE CAUTION WHEN LENDING TO USERS!"

Please submit a loan with a proper collateral.
That would be 3.2BTC worth of a stable altcoin. (120% of loan amount)
If you don't have that, there's no point in begging to get a $3000 loan.

and on the day after that, this happened :

Sir, but I also have a trading account, where already 4160 dollars!

You should withdraw the money on that account and then use it.
I'm not giving you 2 satoshis.

By the way, your account doesn't qualify as a proper collateral :

What is not considered collateral?
[...]
- Most valuable online accounts can easily be recovered by social engineering (the user contacting support to say they were hacked, and regain control of the account)  Examples:  Steam

Please stop PMing me about this ! How many times do we need to say "denied" for you to understand ?

So .. I explained to you how this works, pointed you to threads so you can formalize your loan better. Did you read them ? Why do you offer something not considered a collateral then ?
Your following reply tells me you didn't read these threads.
And you kept pushing for a 2.7BTC loan for two more days after the initial decline.
On top of that, you started PMing me about it. Stop. Just ... Stop !
Seriously that's harassing. What will it take for you to understand and stop ?


A few days ago, you PMed me to remove that feedback I left to you.
Shortly after the PM, you started posting on my escrow service thread :

I am available for escrow.

Hello yogg!
I wrote you a personal message, but it remained unanswered.
And the question is very important!
In the current situation, I can not even use your services, as people are confused by the Trust .... not to mention more.

So you know, even with your negative trust score, it is possible for you to use escrow services, and should be needed when you transact with someone.

I replied to your PM, and then replied to you on the thread. You then replied again on the thread, something that had only to do with the feedback that was left in 2017.
Your latest reply was reported and deleted because it was off topic.

Then you started this thread, which was a good idea, so you can understand once and for all why this feedback will stick, and advertised this thread later on in a thread, in Meta.

What will you do next ?


I don't think I misinterpreted anything.
My opinion is not only that you ask for insane amounts, but also that someone who engages in trading with you should be aware that you can be extremely insistent and intrusive, to say the least, without understanding the situation fully.
You have successfully demonstrated this in the current thread.
Here was a loan request. My legitimate questioning is : how is it when there's BTC involved ? What can happen if you think you've been fooled ? This is up for speculations.
That's the reason why my factual feedback will remain.

You're not in prison, and you can continue to make your wallets and be recognized for that.
If there is someday a record of legit transactions between yourself and other users, and you understand what happened, I may remove the feedback, but given how you react in this thread, this won't be today.
You shouldn't setup fake ones, you'd be only fooling yourself..

[Andrey123]

I did not hide that a year and a half ago I asked for a loan.
I do not deny my messages.
BUT a year and a half has passed!

And you, of course, forgive me, but you are not the president of the country, that you cannot even write messages ... and the forum is open and public.

Why did TMAN reduce my trust? I don't even know him!
Just for the company?

We found out even then that my desire is not feasible.
And where is the obsession?

Due to the fact that I have touched on such an important topic, now participants with high ranks simply reduce my trust in me!
This already looks like corruption!
How will people treat my messages now if no one wants to understand and help me !?

The fact that I helped and was on the forum for three years, you decided to destroy
Just? Because no one can influence it?

Every day dozens of themes with different content are created.
Someone selfish goals, someone does not understand.

When I created the topic, I did not know that there would be such a reaction!
I have a persistent feeling that it is beneficial to someone.

With that topic, have I ever asked someone else to lend? NOT!
For three years, someone raised the topic that I deceived a person? NOT!

I find it difficult to express my thoughts through a translator, we live in different countries, we have a different mentality.
But creating this topic, I was hoping for prudence and understanding, and what did I get in return

Even Lauda and Tman, to whom I have no relation, just so accused me of fraud, which was not!

This is normal?

[Lauda]

Even Lauda and Tman, to whom I have no relation, just so accused me of fraud, which was not!
This is normal?

Yes. Can we move on now? Stop posting about it in the wrong threads.

[Andrey123]

What is the way out of this situation?
I like the forum, and I do not pursue any self-serving goals.

I have met good people here, but now this terrible negative trust will always scare off (

If no one wants to hear and understand me in this topic, how will others perceive me now?
Even with the introduction of Merita, I did not have a couple of days to get the title of Hero.
And even Merit simply did not bet, but only for useful posts.

I never bought accounts, I did not participate in fraudulent schemes!
I just do not understand why so much malice and hatred for me?
Just because I asked the question a year and a half ago ...

[TMAN]

Why did TMAN reduce my trust? I don't even know him!

I didn't know you either till you started this thread, Funny that isn't it.

[Andrey123]

Why did TMAN reduce my trust? I don't even know him!

I didn't know you either till you started this thread, Funny that isn't it.

Why then aggravate the situation?
Or are you just bored and you decide to just make me feel bad ??
Seeing perfectly well that the topic of a loan has not been relevant for one and a half years now and I have not done anything wrong to anyone since the creation of an account ...

[TMAN]

Why then aggravate the situation?

I am not aggravating the situation, I am backing up the tags from other DT members.

[Andrey123]

I am not aggravating the situation, I am backing up the tags from other DT members.

But this is not fair!
After all, in fact, I asked only yogg to remove bad trust.
But you and Lauda just decided to aggravate everything ....
After all, I asked for help!
For someone to analyze my posts and see the pros!

[TMAN]

I am not aggravating the situation, I am backing up the tags from other DT members.

But this is not fair!
After all, in fact, I asked only yogg to remove bad trust.
But you and Lauda just decided to aggravate everything ....
After all, I asked for help!
For someone to analyze my posts and see the pros!

Lesson 1, read rules
Lesson 2, don’t do dodgy shit
Lesson 3, don’t highlight dodgy shit to DT members

[Andrey123]

Lesson 1, read rules
Lesson 2, don’t do dodgy shit
Lesson 3, don’t highlight dodgy shit to DT members

Good lord!
Are you reproaching me again?

Where did you see the trick and deception?
It was as if everyone had specially agreed and decided to do it their own way.

Someone even reads my posts or am I writing to emptiness?

[Lauda]

For someone to analyze my posts and see the pros!

I analyzed the situation and acted accordingly. What more can you ask of me?

Lesson 1, read rules
Lesson 2, don’t do dodgy shit
Lesson 3, don’t highlight dodgy shit to DT members

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[Andrey123]

For someone to analyze my posts and see the pros!

I analyzed the situation and acted accordingly. What more can you ask of me?

Lesson 1, read rules
Lesson 2, don’t do dodgy shit
Lesson 3, don’t highlight dodgy shit to DT members

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Here you really scoff ??
Analyzed the event that did not come and in which, except for me, no one was hurt !?

And which was a year and a half ago?
Do you really like to mock people?

[suchmoon]

What is the way out of this situation?

I tried to tell you but you didn't like it. Lock the thread and move on.