THEYMOS - FACTS BASED POST - only interested in hearing HIS OPINION . Thanks.

[cryptohunter]

Dear Theymos,


Please can you read this fact based post and then give me your opinion on each of the points. I do not want any mod moving this because this is for Theymos directly. I have tried to discuss with MODS and although they have been fair to this point I prefer to hear directly from the top so that I know how the forum is going to go here from this point on.


Having been a long time member here and have discovered and fought to crush some of the largest and most unfair scams ever to come to bitcointalk. I will just mention 1 here.

Now I wish to present FACTS that I feel demonstrate that certain members need to be blacklisted from both the trust system and from the merit source system.

The most analysed scam on this board is Darkcoin/DASH. This have been studied in depth by 100's of persons on this board after I (who was on the launch on the first page of dash launch) realised that whilst they claimed a fair launch protocol like other POW launches of that time that they certainly did not want a fair launch and engineered it so they may captive (only they) instamine (10x size 500coins blocks by at rocket speed).

There has been much analysis on it but this seems a simple one that someone assisted me and others to once and for all crush their supporters lies by providing this..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.msg7535561#msg7535561

There is much more but that covers the basics of the scamming launch and they went on to reduce the rest of the announced minting by 75% I believe so compounding their huge instamine, then to further compound and benefit forever from miners they made up masternodes and I am sure you know how it all turned out.

Whilst I was battling it against those that that were promoting and enabling this scam to flourish because not many people after this point realised xcoin changed its name darkcoin.  Anyway there was a guy called LAUDAM (lauda now).

He fought for ages against me and others who realised it was a scam claiming there was no instamine and there was no unfair launch (which they claimed was fair launch )at all. There are lots of posts from LAUDAM some may be edited now but lots still remain. Here is one example.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.msg6748208#msg6748208

If you read the history of laudaM then you will start to see that he was a protector and enabler of the biggest most investigated scam on this board. A proven Scam. He lied constantly saying there was no instamine because he was at launch.


So here is the weird part (I mean aside from lauda being allowed to red trust me for simply telling him I will inform others of his publicly observable past and they can check it out) I mean that is a threat only if he has something to hide in the first place.


SUCHMOON
 - now this person is provably a hypocrite and also a scammer/scammer protector/enabler deserving red trust by his very own definition. Suchmoon gives red trust to people for simply promoting POSSIBLE SCAMS i mean these are not even PROVEN SCAMS. He says you promote POSSIBLE scams you are enabling scams and therefore an untrustworthy/scammer who needs red trust. I agree with him if it is a proven scam or very highly probable a scam actually.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093172.msg49081005#msg49081005

Here is exactly how.

He has been told many times Lauda was promoting and defending a PROVEN HUGE SCAM. He knows this and yet.. He still however ignores

1. The fact lauda is untrustworthy/ scammer
2. Not only does he not RED TRUST lauda but actually adds him to his trust list
3. Ignores the fact lauda and friends trying to silence me from telling about his past history so agrees with DT being used to prevent or punish those that reveal factual information regarding scams or scammers.


I mean that minex guy ( minex not as yet a proven scam) is the  same as a  scammer according to  suchmoon and he gives him red trust.

however

Lauda - lies and says no instamine and goes on to lie and protect this proven scam for months. Suchmoon adds him to the dt1 trust list and gives him no red trust??


Lauda comes into threads I am on claiming I have told lies?? I ask him for evidence he provides NOTHING. He then keeps bugging me in threads and I  I will tell present facts from your past. Lauda red trusts me now for saying that?

Lauda and his friends are using the TRUST system to give my account red trust for .... saying that I will reveal his past that is publicly available and factual just actually his post history.

He and his friends are using the TRUST system here to corrupt it so badly that it is not being used for highlighting scams and scammers. It is now being used to silence people who say they will whistle blow (again) on scams and scammers.


I would like to see then manually blacklisted from DT lists and Merit sources (any positions of trust or power)

Can you tell me please...

1. if you will do this
2. if not then can you tell me why will you allow these types of people to infest positions of trust and control here. Surely there must be enough people here on this forum with squeaky clean pasts that demonstrate fairness and non scamming or hypocritical behaviour.


Also now I have started bringing up the fact prove scam enablers should not be able to red trust scam hunters for saying they will inform others about those facts.

They change their story and say we gave you red trust because you are insane and make crazy claims.

Next I say okay bring just one crazy claim that is untrue and we will investigate this. - THEY REFUSE

Next TMAN ( and Owlcatz ( implicated in several dirty looking things with LAUDA and OWLCATZ  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0))

Starts to tell me that I am crazy because I use strong language to present facts to people that been aggressive to me first (actually I am always nice to people in every thread unless they become hostile to me first or are scammers or protecting scams) this can be proven by studying my entire post history.


So apparently that makes me crazy but he comes with some very strange sexual deviance with carrots in ass pipes, uncles touching me up or parents doing it, an entire array of very aggressive sexual fantasies he spouts out all over the place? this sounds like very serious damage and not even related to any facts at all.

He then makes his biggest mistake of all he publicly admits in black and white something that there can be no mistake over.

I tell him he can not Red trust me for presenting facts about scammers and scams

He tells me - " CAN WILL HAVE"  and if I don't like it tough luck???

I would like to hear your opinion on this and if this will merit their blacklisting from DT and merit sources?  Because really I can see nothing more perverse (other than tmans fantasies) than the DT system being used to Red trust scam hunters presenting factual evidence about scams?


Thanks for careful consideration and reply.

p.s I know you may think I am ungrateful actually about the systems in place and I know perhaps you made a lot of effort and time to making them. However I am not ungrateful at all I just want to help get this board back to how it was before.

Making it all decentralised and automated is great but it can not start with a bad root like this and it needs all subjectivity removed as much as possible because that is where the abuse takes root and multiplies. We need carrot and stick to keep people using these systems and intended and if carrot and stick does not work then they get the chop.

This is all just my opinion not facts like the above.

thanks
ch

[tmfp]

Reading the title only, (I can't see the rest as you are on *ignore*), sounds like a PM would be more suitable.

[TMAN]

Hey Hawking JR,

I think you should read The Art of War by Sun Tzu, the below is a pretty relevant quote to you.

"Do not engage an enemy more powerful than you. And if it is unavoidable and you do have to engage, then make sure you engage it on your terms, not on your enemy's terms.

also, ever heard the phrase "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight" you are not intelligent enough to win an argument against any of the individuals you are attacking above, trying to fight 10 people at once is just insane.

you are proving every single post that I was correct in my tag.

Once again as you still don't get it.

"I do not trust you because you are bat-shit crazy" that is it, End of - change the tampon and move on or you could leave - all the tags will not be removed, and if anything your behavior is likely to have more added back.

xxx see ya sexual chocolate

[nutildah]

Reading the title only, (I can't see the rest as you are on *ignore*), sounds like a PM would be more suitable.

No way Theymos is reading all that. It's like Mark Twain came back from the dead to bitch about forum politics.

CH... hey man (or woman), sometimes you just gotta let things go... I mean I would be pissed too if I got a red DT, and it may yet happen to me someday, but there's more to the world than this forum.

[cryptohunter]

Reading the title only, (I can't see the rest as you are on *ignore*), sounds like a PM would be more suitable.

No way Theymos is reading all that. It's like Mark Twain came back from the dead to bitch about forum politics.

CH... hey man (or woman), sometimes you just gotta let things go... I mean I would be pissed too if I got a red DT, and it may yet happen to me someday, but there's more to the world than this forum.

I mean people who have me on ignore needing to comment. Get a grip. I'm on ignore fair enough keep away then.
This is not about just ME.

This is about the ability for DT to be used as a tool for scammers to silence scam hunters presenting facts.

Re read or not it is up to you. This is a VERY important issue for the entire board not just ME.

I am loving though everyone coming here to oppose this because you can not alter observable FACT.

Jetcash - I now see you are not interested in facts and support scammers??

It is great to get all the untrustworthy in one go.

Keep coming but I see as yet NO DENIAL OF MY FACTS PRESENTED  well done. Keep coming I am enjoying dredging the swamp.

[tmfp]

It's like Mark Twain  

Surely not............................

[TMAN]

 this is factual presentation

This is a VERY important issue for the entire board not just ME.

Incorrect, why are you so Trumpesque? if the whole room is telling ya something - either you in a mental home, or should be in one yourself.

what don't you understand about that?

is it that English is not your 1st language or is it a genuine mental retardation?

[nutildah]

It's like Mark Twain  

Surely not............................

Touche...

[Lauda]

As I was initiated into a cryptic cult with rites of the goddess Hecate, the renowned paranormal researcher William Blake caught this photograph of Lauda shapeshifted to the form of a flying catbat:

The witch LAUDA

I casted a dark spell on theymos, it's all over now. The student became the master.
There may be some extreme misinformation here. I believe suchmoon is my alt, although that would make The Pharmacist, nullius and thermos also me. Maybe we just have multiple personality disorder?

[cryptohunter]

Hey Hawking JR,

I think you should read The Art of War by Sun Tzu, the below is a pretty relevant quote to you.

"Do not engage an enemy more powerful than you. And if it is unavoidable and you do have to engage, then make sure you engage it on your terms, not on your enemy's terms.

also, ever heard the phrase "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight" you are not intelligent enough to win an argument against any of the individuals you are attacking above, trying to fight 10 people at once is just insane.

you are proving every single post that I was correct in my tag.

Once again as you still don't get it.

"I do not trust you because you are bat-shit crazy" that is it, End of - change the tampon and move on or you could leave - all the tags will not be removed, and if anything your behavior is likely to have more added back.

xxx see ya sexual chocolate

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095469.msg49176960#msg49176960

have another read it is there in black and white

Just like back in the darkcoin days.... sometimes when things are so infested and dirty it seems fun because there are so many people trying to prevent the observable events from being proven facts.  Then over time they realise contrary to their lies and excuses there is no time machine and you can not go back and change the observable events.

Keep coming Meta is the most fun sub board since alt discussion with lauda  and fellow scammers denying observable events....

I never want it to stop. It is like the fun will be over once the swamp is drained. So it is win win for me. The swamp is drained or else more dirty scamps that want to continue abusing and scamming to bitch slap around with FACTS.

I mean NONE of you have made a rebuttal or proven me to have said anything that is not correct.

Let that sink in for a moment before I bring out the facts to bitch slap you all about some more and listen to the excuses, lies, lemons, time machines, scare quotes," "most" pre merit legends are scammers "  " it is idiotic and incorrect to believe that some of the 99.87% of this board are capable of making some posts as good or better than the "0.13%" ..." I CAN WILL AND HAVE"  just red trust you for daring to tell about my scamming friends. " tmans sexual fantasies about carrots , assholes, uncles , parents" suchscamoons self scamming diagnosis.

How can I lose this kind of thing is beyond something you can just purchase. This is doing the right thing, making things fairer, dredging the swamp and being fully entertained at the same time.

Keep it coming guys I will reply as and when I can. Also JET CASH YOU IMBECILE can you make sure to provide a video that proves you are trying to make light of scammers infesting DT and red trusting proven scam hunters. That's a nice touch that I will make sure to not ever let you forget.

[TMAN]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095469.msg49176960#msg49176960

have another read it is there in black and white

Fact is you have an issue digesting information - you even quoted my comment.

What is fucking wrong with you? seriously you are mental - got to stick you on ignore for a bit, I cant handle the level of crazy oozing out of you.

[Zin-Zang]

As I was initiated into a cryptic cult with rites of the goddess Hecate, the renowned paranormal researcher William Blake caught this photograph of Lauda shapeshifted to the form of a flying catbat:

The witch LAUDA

I casted a dark spell on theymos, it's all over now. The student became the master.
There may be some extreme misinformation here. I believe suchmoon is my alt, although that would make The Pharmacist, nullius and thermos also me. Maybe we just have multiple personality disorder?

By Dark Spell, I assume you mean you gave him Syphilis.
More the power of a slut , than a witch.

Syphilis is a sexually transmitted infection (STI) caused by bacteria.
Even though it is curable, if syphilis isn't treated, it can cause serious damage to your brain, heart, nervous system, and even lead to death.

@Tman, you are a virgin , that his Mother literally tucks into bed at night. You have no power. (Except to wet your bed)  


 

FYI: My New Trust Settings, everyone should update: ~ excludes the asshats, especially if you delete the default trust stupidity
~gmaxwell
~Vod
~TMAN
~Lauda
~Timelord2067
~Blazed
~achow101
~owlcatz
~Hhampuz
~cabalism13

[cryptohunter]

As I was initiated into a cryptic cult with rites of the goddess Hecate, the renowned paranormal researcher William Blake caught this photograph of Lauda shapeshifted to the form of a flying catbat:

The witch LAUDA

I casted a dark spell on theymos, it's all over now. The student became the master.
There may be some extreme misinformation here. I believe suchmoon is my alt, although that would make The Pharmacist, nullius and thermos also me. Maybe we just have multiple personality disorder?

By Dark Spell, I assume you mean you gave him Syphilis.
More the power of a slut , than a witch.

Syphilis is a sexually transmitted infection (STI) caused by bacteria.
Even though it is curable, if syphilis isn't treated, it can cause serious damage to your brain, heart, nervous system, and even lead to death.

@Tman, you are a virgin , that his Mother literally tucks into bed at night. You have no power. (Except to wet your bed)  


 

FYI: My New Trust Settings, everyone should update: ~ excludes the asshats, especially if you delete the default trust stupidity
~gmaxwell
~Vod
~TMAN
~Lauda
~Timelord2067
~Blazed
~achow101
~owlcatz
~Hhampuz
~cabalism13

I also think Jetcash has proven to be a complicit scam helper now. So needs removal also. He is either too old and stupid to digest fact based information or a complicit scammer or just a pussy and scared ....either way DT can not suffer such such a dangerous supporter of scammers. Look at him meriting tman for essentially producing a post that is based on false assumptions and lies.

STILL NO DENIAL OF FACTS I PRESENTED IN THE OP YOU NOTICE......

[suchmoon]

I mean I would be pissed too if I got a red DT

OP was batshit way before that, in fact the reds are caused by the nincompoopery, not the other way round.

[DireWolfM14]

@Cryptohunter,
I think you have a hard time distinguishing facts from opinion, so let me try to help you out some:

1. The fact lauda is untrustworthy/ scammer

1. That is not a proven fact but is your opinion, to which you are entitled.  You may share that opinion with other users by leaving the appropriate feedback on Lauda's trust review page.  If other users agree with you they will follow your lead.  The newly implemented DefaultTrust algorithm gives you exactly the same opportunity to become a DT1 member that has now allowed Suchmoon to achieve that status.

2. Not only does he not RED TRUST lauda but actually adds him to his trust list

2. That is a fact.  Suchmoon is exercising his entitlement to express his opinion.  You are entitled to express yours (obviously) as often as you like.

3. Ignores the fact lauda and friends trying to silence me from telling about his past history so agrees with DT being used to prevent or punish those that reveal factual information regarding scams or scammers.

3. The very fact that you claim anyone is attempting to silence you is laughable.  You are the most vociferous critic of nearly everything relating to merit and trust.  How many threads have you started just to complain about these two subjects?  How many have been deleted by mods or admin?  Leaving you negative feedback does nothing to silence you, it's an expression of one's opinion, just like this post is an expression of yours.

[cryptohunter]

@Cryptohunter,
I think you have a hard time distinguishing facts from opinion, so let me try to help you out some:

1. The fact lauda is untrustworthy/ scammer

1. That is not a proven fact but is your opinion, to which you are entitled.  You may share that opinion with other users by leaving the appropriate feedback on Lauda's trust review page.  If other users agree with you they will follow your lead.  The newly implemented DefaultTrust algorithm gives you exactly the same opportunity to become a DT1 member that has now allowed Suchmoon to achieve that status.

2. Not only does he not RED TRUST lauda but actually adds him to his trust list

2. That is a fact.  Suchmoon is exercising his entitlement to express his opinion.  You are entitled to express yours (obviously) as often as you like.

3. Ignores the fact lauda and friends trying to silence me from telling about his past history so agrees with DT being used to prevent or punish those that reveal factual information regarding scams or scammers.

3. The very fact that you claim anyone is attempting to silence you is laughable.  You are the most vociferous critic of nearly everything relating to merit and trust.  How many threads have you started just to complain about these two subjects?  How many have been deleted by mods or admin?  Leaving you negative feedback does nothing to silence you, it's an expression of one's opinion, just like this post is an expression of yours.

1. is incorrect.  Re read the thread. If you can not see how, ask me.  It is suchmoons opinion and my own. If not get such moon to come and explain how it is not. I mean explain in light of my facts how he has not proven himself untrustworthy. Perhaps you are claiming someone that has enabled, lied and protected scams is trustworthy? Is that what you are saying?


2. If you can not see the glaring issue here you are either stupid or have not read the OP .... go have another read. Then revise it.

3. It is being used as a deterrent. It does not work on me but may on others. Perhaps they are encouraging me by placing red trust? Please get serious.

come on get some half smart people to form a rebuttal, dogs, cats wolves, tman, ....haha come on where are the smart scammers and scam enablers. How have this bunch of observable retards reached these levels on this board?

well done you got 5 merits from a scam protector and probable extortionist for forcing me to actually HELP YOU.

[cabalism13]

Hello Good Day mate,

Just want to ask this, no offense but, is it really necessary for you to create a number of threads if you're only stating the same thing all over again?... If you hadnt made a number of it I'm pretty sure the thread that you've firstly made was already consist of many pages.

Aren't you tired yet? Just look all over the place, Reputation Section, Meta and you even created a thread on Altcoin (which really help I think unlike the others) People are now just ignoring you, people just laugh at you, people doesn't give a fuck on what you're complaining so even I doubt theymos will ever read all of your threads.

I'm just concern on you fella, just leave them be, and for that red trust, you can just slowly move on and have a life, you may have a reputation to defend but the fact that they're not going to remove it well, its already on you.  You just have to accept it whether it hurts so badly, its just like loving a woman that isnt for you.

Have a life already, you may start a new account if you want and be somewhat anonymous again, or if you can't leave you're account just let it be, it may reflect you everytime but past will be past, as long as you're not committed on bad thing in the current time then its just certainly fine. If you know that you've been doing nothing wrong and you think that they're just mentally ill then you're the one who'll make an adjustment. Ranther than whining over and over again, creating numerous threads blah blah blah. I understand what you feel mate. Just cut the shitloads. It will be fine soonly.

TMAN's quoted words are quite right, you should just never make an enemy of ten simultaenously, you're not even superman mate. (I'm not siding on anyone here) Im just talking about that we all have to move on. If the trust system is sick then just go with the flow even if you dont like it.

Gonna leave this message: " if you can't beat them, join them"

[LoyceMobile]

Seriously? This entire wall of text, and nothing about me at all?
After summoning me dozens of times, apparently there's nothing worth sharing with theymos?
I'm disappointed! Lauda gets all the game again.

[theymos]

My opinion is that I'm not going to waste time reading your huge, rambly, low-content posts which you post everywhere.

Skimming:
 - Dash is a shitcoin, like the vast majority of altcoins, but I've heard absolutely nothing which makes me think that it's a scam on the whole.
 - Lauda has engaged in some behavior which I consider unethical or sub-optimal, but she's also done several good things. It's not for me to decide how her actions weigh out on net.
 - Suchmoon is an excellent forum member.

[cryptohunter]

My opinion is that I'm not going to waste time reading your huge, rambly, low-content posts which you post everywhere.

Skimming:
 - Dash is a shitcoin, like the vast majority of altcoins, but I've heard absolutely nothing which makes me think that it's a scam on the whole.
 - Lauda has engaged in some behavior which I consider unethical or sub-optimal, but she's also done several good things. It's not for me to decide how her actions weigh out on net.
 - Suchmoon is an excellent forum member.

That was kind of disappointing.

Dash is not a scam? What defines a scam?

Take into account they claimed a fair launch

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.msg7535561#msg7535561


then they reduce the rest of the available minting by 75%?

then they create masternodes to compound their advantage and suck off miners to the end?

this is not a scam
deceptive act or operation

To simplify for easier reading.

Lauda - claimed it was on the launch and there was no premine? for years protected/enabled/promomted that scam

suchmoon - red trusts people for promoting POSSIBLE scams but adds lauda to his trust list knowing of his prior promoting/enabling a proven scam. Also knows about laudas other unethical sub optimal behaviours ( i mean sub optimal gives a lot of scope i guess)

Restating because OP was too long to read for many. These are the cliff notes.