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January 15, 2019, 12:58:12 AM
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Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Interesting.

First of all, I'd like FortuneJack to be a bit more transparent and make that google doc actually viewable to the public.

I think there are a few fair ways to approach this.

1. Re-evaluate his bets on non-bugged games (plinko, etc.) and treat it as if his starting balance was .009 for this series of bets. Any bet made for more than his total balance would be considered an all in. Given he said he was gambling for 8+ hours, it is possible he would've started plinko with more than .009 and still won the entire jackpot.
2. Re-evaluate his bets on non-bugged games (plinko, etc.) and treat his bets as proportional to the size of his bankroll at the time. Assuming he tried to cash out .45 of the 2 BTC he won at the beginning, he would've started the legitimate betting series with a bankroll of 1.55 BTC, or 172x his deposit. So, simply reduce every bet by a factor of 172.

Considering it was ultimately FortuneJack's error, I think it would be fairest to go with the higher value of the approaches mentioned above.

The value for the second comes out to .116 BTC, meaning the additional bug bounty he received is only .09 BTC.

A closer look at the other wagers is necessary to determine the value from the first approach.
You really can't use choice two because they've seen all my bets that day. They know I barely touched that bug money except that one occasion in where I tried to pull out a few BTC (I believed I was ahead and that I won the game through fair play). In all of the transactions they can confirm I did not bet in any extreme or outrageous manner. I treated all earnings as if I had won them and that I should do in my best not to lose such gained winnings by trying to blow it all for a huge payout.
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January 15, 2019, 12:59:37 AM
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Out of curiosity, what was your initial deposit?

Could you have made the bets you did on Plinko without winning the first 2 BTC?

IIRC he deposited 0.009BTC and placed bets on plinko for ~0.02BTC.

So no, he could not have made those same bets without the ineligible winnings.

Interesting.

First of all, I'd like FortuneJack to be a bit more transparent and make that google doc actually viewable to the public.

I think there are a few fair ways to approach this.

1. Re-evaluate his bets on non-bugged games (plinko, etc.) and treat it as if his starting balance was .009 for this series of bets. Any bet made for more than his total balance would be considered an all in. Given he said he was gambling for 8+ hours, it is possible he would've started plinko with more than .009 and still won the entire jackpot.
2. Re-evaluate his bets on non-bugged games (plinko, etc.) and treat his bets as proportional to the size of his bankroll at the time. Assuming he tried to cash out .45 of the 2 BTC he won at the beginning, he would've started the legitimate betting series with a bankroll of 1.55 BTC, or 172x his deposit. So, simply reduce every bet by a factor of 172.

Considering it was ultimately FortuneJack's error, I think it would be fairest to go with the higher value of the approaches mentioned above.

The value for the second comes out to .116 BTC, meaning the additional bug bounty he received is only .09 BTC.

A closer look at the other wagers is necessary to determine the value from the first approach.
You really can't use choice two because they've seen all my bets that day. They know I barely touched that bug money except that one occasion in where I tried to pull out a few BTC (I believed I was ahead and that I won the game through fair play). In all of the transactions they can confirm I did not bet in any extreme or outrageous manner. I treated all earnings as if I had won them and that I should do in my best not to lose such gained winnings by trying to blow it all for a huge payout.
So for them to 172x in funds I had not even touched would be absurd. Other than that I appreciate your statistical revealings.
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January 15, 2019, 07:20:09 AM
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Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing

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January 15, 2019, 07:24:18 AM
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Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing
Are these all of the bets of the users made on the game?

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January 15, 2019, 07:31:39 AM
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Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing
Are these all of the bets of the users made on the game?

This are bet history of player on adrenaline, wins made of the bug money. User just spinned all around x200 and to be short, incredible advantage was taken over the bug. If community wishes so, we are open to publicly post any bet history of related data as well.

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January 15, 2019, 07:59:26 AM
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Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing
Are these all of the bets of the users made on the game?

This are bet history of player on adrenaline, wins made of the bug money. User just spinned all around x200 and to be short, incredible advantage was taken over the bug. If community wishes so, we are open to publicly post any bet history of related data as well.

What constitutes a losing bet if BPS is always positive? How do you calculate the profit/loss from each roll? Where are the other bets he made after the bugged game?
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January 15, 2019, 08:46:57 AM
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Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing
Are these all of the bets of the users made on the game?

This are bet history of player on adrenaline, wins made of the bug money. User just spinned all around x200 and to be short, incredible advantage was taken over the bug. If community wishes so, we are open to publicly post any bet history of related data as well.

What constitutes a losing bet if BPS is always positive? How do you calculate the profit/loss from each roll? Where are the other bets he made after the bugged game?
I just assumed I just hit start to play stop when finish. That's all it said to do in their directions. Don't know what the number 200 is referring to. Thought that was just the times amount I won.
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January 15, 2019, 08:55:15 AM
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Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing
Are these all of the bets of the users made on the game?

This are bet history of player on adrenaline, wins made of the bug money. User just spinned all around x200 and to be short, incredible advantage was taken over the bug. If community wishes so, we are open to publicly post any bet history of related data as well.

What constitutes a losing bet if BPS is always positive? How do you calculate the profit/loss from each roll? Where are the other bets he made after the bugged game?
I just assumed I just hit start to play stop when finish. That's all it said to do in their directions. Don't know what the number 200 is referring to. Thought that was just the times amount I won.
and no I was in there 13 hours I hardly stayed on adrenaline for maybe 2 hours at best.

Also I'd like your opinion on what I have realized and lmk what you thibk. So on their website, they have a free play currency which is virtually used for strats, and theories, and idk maybe find bugs? What is concerning to me is that they post on my original topic that they were planning on releasing the game with the bugs as a community Easter hunt of sorts. What's real baffling to me is. Why on earth would they freely allow the use of real money when they can use FJC to promote the game? Why would they go through the hassle of having to intentionally reset everyone's initial bankroll. Over allowing people to play with free funds to find the bugs? I mean if there whole means was to uncover bugs shouldn't that be the only logical option. I mean unless they planned to reduce the site's loss of profit that day. Is it crazy of me to think such an action be made possible by the casino?
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January 15, 2019, 02:27:25 PM
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Posting here again to update on Verusfides Case. As promised we decided to make more files public and to cut it short, we decided to make all records public. Here in this document, you see the whole betting history of the player from the beginning of the play on Adrenaline, where the bug affected his winnings to the alleged jackpot win on Plinko.

See Betting history from Verusfides here ==>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11r_GqS-eVadHHJxRAdCaVSqqBosQWz4y98F48CyvvPs/edit#gid=492165691

After making a deposit of 9.4mBTC  in sum player started to play Adrenaline game on our website. As we already said, the game was first tested in public in those days, and FortuneJack made an official announcement on it as well. We offered players a bug bounty as a gesture that we care and listen to our community and wanted to make all this game development process a community thing as well, so just put the game out and challenged players to find bugs in it.

At some point of the game, severe bug affected the play of some players online at that very moment. This is the moment when player Verusfides set auto cash out on 60. As you see from his bet history game starts to bug, and every bet turns out to be won and player suddenly after realizing this firstly doubles the bet and continues to play the bugged game and after 20 minutes or so raises auto cash out from 60 to 200 continuing to stream money from the bugged game. As you see in history, every single bet is won, and I am talking about 70 consecutive bets. I have already posted the formula making us think that the game was bugged. In the usual cases of winning Win Amount equals of Bet Amount multiplied on RealBPS. WinAmount = BetAmount × RealBPS, here it was all out of control. It does not require rocket science to conclude that the game had suffered a significant bug. And this is not an only player effected from the bug; actually, we learned about the bug from players, who wrote to our support that game was doing funny things and asked us to check it out.

We found the bug and improved it as soon as we could, it took time to determine all the players affected, some of them willingly wrote us themselves and gave the money back and have received a bug bounty, because, I don't know, every player knows that no casino on earth will issue a bug winning. Yes, this is unfortunate accident, but things like this happen, games sometimes are affected by bugs, and we improve it and issue bug bounty and go on.

But Verusfides continued to play, as you see from his game history and he moves on Plinko where alleged jackpot win has happened. 3 Hours after finishing playing on adrenaline Player moves to Plinko, where starts bets with 0.1mBTC and raising money from time-to-time, finally reaching a single bet of 25.6mBTC. In sum, the player had made more than 5 000 bets before reaching a point when the jackpot was won.

Firstly, as the discussion arose to this, there is no chance that player would have made 5 000 bets with this amount on a single bet with his deposit of 9.4mBTC, please review the betting history as a proof of this.

Secondly, this is not even a subject of discussion, as the win made from the bug abuse on our website has triggered a point in our T&C: Bets and any winnings made during malfunctioning of a game shall be void. Any subsequent Games or Services that you participate in with funds obtained from a malfunctioning Game shall also be void.

Thirdly, a player was communicated with this matters several times and at some point, has accepted to get Large Bug Bounty, which is 0.2btc, got his deposit back and also got 30 Free Spins with minimum x2 Wagering because, to be honest, I liked the guy and thought  giving him some additional bonus because of the trouble would have been a nice gesture. But after losing the amount he got from Casino, he started to ask for the money again.

We certainly can not continue with this, from files now made public, it's evident that player got winnings from bug money and rules are entirely clear with this - company has right to seize bug winnings.

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January 15, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
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Thirdly, a player was communicated with this matters several times and at some point, has accepted to get Large Bug Bounty, which is 0.2btc, got his deposit back and also got 30 Free Spins with minimum x2 Wagering because, to be honest, I liked the guy and thought  giving him some additional bonus because of the trouble would have been a nice gesture. But after losing the amount he got from Casino, he started to ask for the money again.
The user has already accepted/received the bug bounty? If so, that combined with the following:

At some point of the game, severe bug affected the play of some players online at that very moment. This is the moment when player Verusfides set auto cash out on 60. As you see from his bet history game starts to bug, and every bet turns out to be won and player suddenly after realizing this firstly doubles the bet and continues to play the bugged game and after 20 minutes or so raises auto cash out from 60 to 200 continuing to stream money from the bugged game. As you see in history, every single bet is won, and I am talking about 70 consecutive bets.
= there's no case here. If anything, I'd be more inclined to tag the user for demanding the money after accepting the compensation.

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c'mon verusfides how can you keep complaining after:

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The Player has already received Large Bug Bounty (0.2 BTC) plus his initial deposit back, and as a personal present from me, 30 Free Spins with minimum x2 wagering requirement.

I know 0.2btc isn't that 20btc jackpot, but at least the casino was nice giving you this $740 as a bug bounty.

Sometimes casinos make mistakes and code fail, but if you find a bug that makes you win again and again, the right thing to do is to report it to the casino and not to exploit it. I learned this by the hard way when i was exploiting a bug on a casino and they decided to freeze my account with 0.05btc on it. I lost my money and get zero bug bounty for exploit it and not report it. After that, i had reported more than 5 bugs in different casinos and they always say thanks with a nice bounty.

Casinos appreciate users who report the bugs. Take this as a lesson and as a happy end, at least you get a nice prize, so wasn't just a waste of time.

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January 15, 2019, 02:47:10 PM
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c'mon verusfides how can you keep complaining after:

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The Player has already received Large Bug Bounty (0.2 BTC) plus his initial deposit back, and as a personal present from me, 30 Free Spins with minimum x2 wagering requirement.

I know 0.2btc isn't that 20btc jackpot, but at least the casino was nice giving you this $740 as a bug bounty.
I believe that doing this is actually illegal. If the demands started only after he lost the money (by gambling), it would be even more illegal. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Thirdly, a player was communicated with this matters several times and at some point, has accepted to get Large Bug Bounty, which is 0.2btc, got his deposit back and also got 30 Free Spins with minimum x2 Wagering because, to be honest, I liked the guy and thought  giving him some additional bonus because of the trouble would have been a nice gesture. But after losing the amount he got from Casino, he started to ask for the money again.
The user has already accepted/received the bug bounty? If so, that combined with the following:

At some point of the game, severe bug affected the play of some players online at that very moment. This is the moment when player Verusfides set auto cash out on 60. As you see from his bet history game starts to bug, and every bet turns out to be won and player suddenly after realizing this firstly doubles the bet and continues to play the bugged game and after 20 minutes or so raises auto cash out from 60 to 200 continuing to stream money from the bugged game. As you see in history, every single bet is won, and I am talking about 70 consecutive bets.
= there's no case here. If anything, I'd be more inclined to tag the user for demanding the money after accepting the compensation.

Yes, here is also screenshot of him accepting the bounty. I was so disappointed with his action to be honest, because I really wanted to help and I told him that I was going on honeymoon next day and tried to solve the situation before. But apparently player just got the money and lost it and than started to demand money again, while I was on vacation Sad


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Last edit: January 15, 2019, 11:34:49 PM by marlboroza
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Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing
Without bugged wins, was it possible for player to place plinko bet and all other bets before they played plinko?

If answer is no, case closed. If answer is yes, you own them 20BTC, it is simple as that.

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Sorry for the link issue, the link in response has now been updated and bets are now public and can be viewed on this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iLLzeap4MdHwMeVyun3lHA2JxUkPG8lg/view?usp=sharing
Without bugged wins, was it possible for player to place plinko bet and all other bets before they played plinko?

If answer is no, case closed. If answer is yes, you own them 20BTC, it is simple as that.

Answer is no, irrespective of that the post above is enough evidence that FJ owes him nothing

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January 15, 2019, 04:12:05 PM
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Posting here again to update on Verusfides Case. As promised we decided to make more files public and to cut it short, we decided to make all records public. Here in this document, you see the whole betting history of the player from the beginning of the play on Adrenaline, where the bug affected his winnings to the alleged jackpot win on Plinko.

See Betting history from Verusfides here ==>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11r_GqS-eVadHHJxRAdCaVSqqBosQWz4y98F48CyvvPs/edit#gid=492165691

After making a deposit of 9.4mBTC  in sum player started to play Adrenaline game on our website. As we already said, the game was first tested in public in those days, and FortuneJack made an official announcement on it as well. We offered players a bug bounty as a gesture that we care and listen to our community and wanted to make all this game development process a community thing as well, so just put the game out and challenged players to find bugs in it.

At some point of the game, severe bug affected the play of some players online at that very moment. This is the moment when player Verusfides set auto cash out on 60. As you see from his bet history game starts to bug, and every bet turns out to be won and player suddenly after realizing this firstly doubles the bet and continues to play the bugged game and after 20 minutes or so raises auto cash out from 60 to 200 continuing to stream money from the bugged game. As you see in history, every single bet is won, and I am talking about 70 consecutive bets. I have already posted the formula making us think that the game was bugged. In the usual cases of winning Win Amount equals of Bet Amount multiplied on RealBPS. WinAmount = BetAmount × RealBPS, here it was all out of control. It does not require rocket science to conclude that the game had suffered a significant bug. And this is not an only player effected from the bug; actually, we learned about the bug from players, who wrote to our support that game was doing funny things and asked us to check it out.

We found the bug and improved it as soon as we could, it took time to determine all the players affected, some of them willingly wrote us themselves and gave the money back and have received a bug bounty, because, I don't know, every player knows that no casino on earth will issue a bug winning. Yes, this is unfortunate accident, but things like this happen, games sometimes are affected by bugs, and we improve it and issue bug bounty and go on.

But Verusfides continued to play, as you see from his game history and he moves on Plinko where alleged jackpot win has happened. 3 Hours after finishing playing on adrenaline Player moves to Plinko, where starts bets with 0.1mBTC and raising money from time-to-time, finally reaching a single bet of 25.6mBTC. In sum, the player had made more than 5 000 bets before reaching a point when the jackpot was won.

Firstly, as the discussion arose to this, there is no chance that player would have made 5 000 bets with this amount on a single bet with his deposit of 9.4mBTC, please review the betting history as a proof of this.

Secondly, this is not even a subject of discussion, as the win made from the bug abuse on our website has triggered a point in our T&C: Bets and any winnings made during malfunctioning of a game shall be void. Any subsequent Games or Services that you participate in with funds obtained from a malfunctioning Game shall also be void.

Thirdly, a player was communicated with this matters several times and at some point, has accepted to get Large Bug Bounty, which is 0.2btc, got his deposit back and also got 30 Free Spins with minimum x2 Wagering because, to be honest, I liked the guy and thought  giving him some additional bonus because of the trouble would have been a nice gesture. But after losing the amount he got from Casino, he started to ask for the money again.

We certainly can not continue with this, from files now made public, it's evident that player got winnings from bug money and rules are entirely clear with this - company has right to seize bug winnings.

Cheers,
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You're joking right. You want to defend yourself like that? Where did you get 3 hours from David? Also yes I set those amounts because I thought those were automatic payouts when you have won the amount. I thought the times amount was 60 and then moved to 200 because I didn't see any signs of losing. Are you going to make me post every transaction between the Plinko bet and Adrenaline bet? Here I'll show you everything. If I have to prove every transaction in each slot I'll show that as well. You're really full of it. Further more, you want to claim you let users know about the bugs in Adrenaline? I don't think you're in a sober state of mind anymore to claim such a thing when you have visual proof on your Reddit explaining there were bug bounties currently available at the time for your new MINE and PLINKO game. WHERE do you ever mention Adrenaline? You really better stop falsely accusing a player of any fucking misdeed when you're showing false evidence to the community and lying to them. Seriously I wouldn't normally curse but where the fuck do you even have the nerve to act like this? If the community would like proof follow this hyperlink and read the damn title. https://www.reddit.com/r/FortuneJackCasino/comments/a400vp/bug_bounty_we_will_give_you_bitcoins_for_finding/ Allow me to show you real evidence that you can't hide from people. Then justify to everyone on here why you just lied on behalf of FortuneJack.

This person has claimed I jumped immediately from Adrenaline to Plinko in the span of three hours with the initial deposit and bug money in hand. Here are three simultaneous transaction logs paged from 21-19 with the number 21 being the latest. I have circle the starting bet, and the jackpot wager, and have underlined the removal of funds. Time line goes Left to Right starting from Bottom to Top respectively. He said 3 hours did he not? He said I jumped simply from Adrenaline to Plinko did he not? He claimed they had community posts about Adrenaline the game having a bug did he not? I don't think you should represent your company anymore. Really, however you acted towards peoples mediation in the past might have been phenomenal but, your half-assed lack of proof your half-assed research of the funds used and your lack of respect towards me to hide you and your companies backside is really humiliating to say the least.



Please everyone look at the image I have provided and confirm yourself the lies that this man is trying to spread to defend his Casino's actions.
What research took your staff so long that I did in the span of 30 minutes. I'm literally so dumbfounded by what you said I feel so bad that your own casino can't feed your correct information for you to relay back to your community that you are trying to look good for. Anyways moving on.

In this next post I will provide deposits that were made immediately after the management of FortuneJack stripped me of my winnings to prove to the community that in fact I would have gotten to this bet without the bugged money. I am just simply a player who does not like to deposit a gross amount of funds all at once and like to divide them into sections to try to limit my gambling habit. Please note that ALL deposits were made subsequently back to back to back to back to back. Showing even more likelihood that I would have gotten to that Plinko game no matter what kind of bug they try to blame.



Lastly I'd like to hear why you insist on lying to the players and the community respectively. You did nothing to prevent such events from occurring. Would you still have us believe that you did not do this with the inclination of reversing everyone's winnings that day?  How about you show us the logs of every persons deposit you altered that night. Tell me this the not all seem fishy to all the players out there.
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January 15, 2019, 04:15:31 PM
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Keep it up David you're doing great. How many FortuneJack workers does it take to relay the correct transaction log of one player? I'm doing what seems to be taking you guys days and days to do. You guys just don't like your jobs or the way the casino direction goes right. Don't worry man I'm with you all the way. You're literally creating a tombstone for FortuneJack and you really just can't seem to stop.
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Thirdly, a player was communicated with this matters several times and at some point, has accepted to get Large Bug Bounty, which is 0.2btc, got his deposit back and also got 30 Free Spins with minimum x2 Wagering because, to be honest, I liked the guy and thought  giving him some additional bonus because of the trouble would have been a nice gesture. But after losing the amount he got from Casino, he started to ask for the money again.
The user has already accepted/received the bug bounty? If so, that combined with the following:

At some point of the game, severe bug affected the play of some players online at that very moment. This is the moment when player Verusfides set auto cash out on 60. As you see from his bet history game starts to bug, and every bet turns out to be won and player suddenly after realizing this firstly doubles the bet and continues to play the bugged game and after 20 minutes or so raises auto cash out from 60 to 200 continuing to stream money from the bugged game. As you see in history, every single bet is won, and I am talking about 70 consecutive bets.
= there's no case here. If anything, I'd be more inclined to tag the user for demanding the money after accepting the compensation.

Yes, here is also screenshot of him accepting the bounty. I was so disappointed with his action to be honest, because I really wanted to help and I told him that I was going on honeymoon next day and tried to solve the situation before. But apparently player just got the money and lost it and than started to demand money again, while I was on vacation Sad


Btw since you just released my information without my approval you don't really get to make any other choices for your company. I'll let them know what you did here. You really don't know how to act professionally do you. Thanks for that.

P.S. Don't bother trying to edit this information I'm letting your support be aware of your violation of privacy right now.

You really can't be anymore ignorant right now. I'm sorry but, your not gonna get past this one so easily. I'll make sure of it.
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January 15, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
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You again? Didn't I already explained to you what gross negligence is in FJ's ANN thread? Yet you still continue to claim what is not rightfully yours. Like I have said before if you have obtained substantial and unfabricated evidence showing that they have done a willful neglect on their job in spotting the bug before you got an error in your winnings you must show it to us. Because just posting here playing around your words won't really help you progress at your case at all. Just be happy that you got a refund from your deposit because of the bug.

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You again? Didn't I already explained to you what gross negligence is in FJ's ANN thread? Yet you still continue to claim what is not rightfully yours. Like I have said before if you have obtained substantial and unfabricated evidence showing that they have done a willful neglect on their job in spotting the bug before you got an error in your winnings you must show it to us. Because just posting here playing around your words won't really help you progress at your case at all. Just be happy that you got a refund from your deposit because of the bug.
I just did jackass or are you too stupid to read the information given to you? Furthermore David and his bandwagon of associates claimed I was only in the casino for three hours going straight from Adrenaline to Plinko the posts above show the clear timeline of events. So you can actually take time to do some actual reading or stfu and stop trying to support a man who clearly has no idea how to approach this situation in a professional matter.

If you haven't noticed I'm not planning on approaching you dejects kindly anymore because you clearly comment just to troll and arouse accusations of things you don't even know. He tried to show his evidence and I'm showing mine, so lets see who's facts actually fucking add up then shall we?
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