Massive abuse in the Russian section.

[stompix]

You did not - they were trying to manipulate to get you on the list - as a staff member you should be shutting down conversations like that, if not you are part of the conspiracy

They're doing the same things as you, guys.

Reminds me of:

Whataboutism


Now, I'm not surprised even a bit about this. Even one tiny bit!!!
We know about the huge merit trading happening in the Russian section, we know about the army of bots ranking up between them, the hundred of ICO scams coming from it.

Was anyone genuinely surprised that this idea will take root also?

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[mdayonliner]

I can't but to mention the merit exchange between Alex_Sr and Nikisa.

I don't want to go back to my past of merit investigation. I have had it enough mate. I remember I had some investigations for the user Alex_Sr receiving merits from a moderator.

[TheFuzzStone]

We are not abusing anything. Just spreading the word about changes in trust system.

[mdayonliner]

~

So you do response quickly. Last time when I wanted to get your attention - it took you around a month to repond my topic.

Hello everyone. First of all: thanks to all who have explained my point of view in this thread. I have read this thread only today, thanks to user ToTheMoon_XOM9IK which has openly shown discontent in identification of plagiarism.

The topic was create on may 28 2018.

Hmm...

[DabLjat]

I am not aware of any other posts where people are colluding to get people onto the DT-1 ranking, there are lots of discussion about adding people into trust lists, who will be eligible - who needs to "vote" etc etc in that thread, but almost as alarming is my snip above showing a user trying to attack the trust network by setting up ~defaulttrust as a username - you were in that thread, you commented in that thread - why the fuck didn't you do something about it?

There is no such a topic you say? Isn't that the topic? I created mine topic by her example...

Show your trust list! - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096204.0
January 12, 2019, 05:37:36 AM

[Чeллeндж] Hacтpoй и пoкaжи cвoй Trust-лиcт - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096402.0
January 12, 2019, 05:28:49 PM

Since the new default trust system came out and everyone is making a trust list, I want to see who has whom on their trust list. I'll release mine first.
My trust list is pretty small to be honest, would like it to be bigger but I mainly lurk on Meta and Lending and Gambling sections.

edit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096207.0 Just go look at DdmrDdmr's thread SMH.

Code:

theymos
gmaxwell
~OgNasty
DarkStar
Vod
~TheButterZone
~cryptohunter
~TMAN
~Lauda
DefaultTrust
hilariousandco
~suchmoon
~owlcatz
minerjones
yahoo62278
zazarb
hilariousetc
LoyceV
The Pharmacist
~marlboroza
Hhampuz
ThatRandom8543
nullius

My trust list

Code:

theymos
Vod
TMAN
Lauda
DefaultTrust
hilariousandco
suchmoon
hilariousetc
LoyceV
The Pharmacist
marlboroza
xandry
Alex_Sr
Poptop
esmanthra
Nikisa
chimk

If you really want to see everyone's trust list, you can always look at the latest trust dump:
https://www.bitcointalk.org/trust.txt.xz

Parsing and reading is hard.

I can throw some resources at it, and update it weekly for all users.

Here's mine. I don't have many unusual names on it yet, just enough to make it 10+ trusted users. Excluding users is much easier than including them:

Code:

~mike
dooglus
gmaxwell
Vod
SaltySpitoon
mprep
philipma1957
Cyrus
~cryptohunter
guitarplinker
NLNico
DefaultTrust
Blazed
hilariousandco
~Velkro
~BiPolarBob
~Gleb Gamow
actmyname
The Pharmacist
DarkStar_
marlboroza
~gamerfan
~game-protect
~BITMIXCOIN.IO
~John547s3
~ChangeNOW
coinlocket$
~bountyhunters.io
~SmartPayMINT
~LoyceValenzuela

[TMAN]

The big problem that you doesn't translate all posts in that thread so you imagine conspiracy theory. I see that you even don't understanding what about this thread.

I'm well aware, the thread was innocent enough until the 14th when your boy got excluded - then the little monkeys went off the rails and you did fuck all to sort it out. 

You are Paid to make the forum a better place, you did not do your job to an acceptable level. You did nothing to discourage the exclusion of people who have thousands of ratings, do you have a personal agenda here?

[Lauda]

LOL, there, everyone just shares his opinion and peloso speaks about that because has red trust. Did you see that someone support him?

Yes, quite many. Endorsing mutual inclusions is also colluding. Do you really want someone to dump all your trust lists and merit histories? Just don't try to upset marlboroza. You should have mentioned it to someone, somewhere after reading it (e.g. opened a thread about it).

There is no such a topic you say? Isn't that the topic? I created mine topic by her example...

The problem isn't the thread itself, it lies in the content of the posts.

We are not abusing anything.

My avatar is not a cat. Both statements are equally honest.

Reminds me of:

Whataboutism

I'm waiting until someone says something in the lines of "they may also be doing this in another local section, so why are you only looking at us?". 

[stompix]

taikuri13
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1855828



Spotika4
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1062160


Lol, for two years he was a member of this forum and sent only one rating and suddenly 3 on the same day....and in English.

This is Farmville 2.2

I'm waiting until someone says something in the lines of "they may also be doing this in another local section, so why are you only looking at us?".  

I guess it's time to poke the Turkish and Indonesian section a bit also...


LE:
Oh...lols again:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2197723

[DabLjat]

The problem isn't the thread itself, it lies in the content of the posts.

Do you really think that if a group of people really want to conspire and start manipulating the trust system they will create a topic and will tell everyone about it?

Haaaa.... Under the table....

Do you really think so? Why so naive?

[Lauda]

taikuri13
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1855828

taikuri13 (-5)

Spotika4
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1062160

Just excluded him too.

Lol, for two years he was a member of this forum and sent only one rating and suddenly 3 on the same day....and in English.
This is Farmville 2.2

Nah, this is the evil catbat witch's fault! A good starting point for Trust Lists [The Cult of Lauda] My Trust List. I might add elaborations one day just as Loyce did.

I guess it's time to poke the Turkish and Indonesian section a bit also...

I expect them to be worse, especially Indonesian.

LE:
Oh...lols again:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2197723

We are not abusing anything.

The problem isn't the thread itself, it lies in the content of the posts.

Do you really think that if a group of people really want to conspire and start manipulating the trust system they will create a topic and will tell everyone about it?
Haaaa.... Under the table....
Do you really think so? Why so naive?

You're the naive one, thinking that established forum members are going to let this fly.

[taikuri13]

taikuri13
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1855828

Yes, those are my reviews.
There were more (16).

But the Russian legendary MaoChao and Dark Star_ showed me my mistake.

...
Я кcтaти пo этoмy вoпpocy c Лayдoй coглaceн.
Tpacт ≠ peпyтaция ≠ лaйки

...
In this question I agree with Lauda.
Trust is not a "like"

...
If you've been helping xtraelv with investigations and plan on leaving negative trusts, that's fine with me. I've removed you from my suggested exclusions list after xtraelv stated it.
It's just a bit unusual for someone to not leave a single trust rating, and all of a sudden leave 16 on the day they were added to DT2.

You might be confusing trust list with trust feedback too. You don't have to leave someone trust feedback if you want to add them to your trust list.

Yeah, I was able to figure it out.
And I understood my mistake.

I deleted 10 feedbacks.
Now I understand that every feedback from DT2 participants is a big responsibility.

ps: I have helped and will continue to help xtraelv regardless of whether I am at DT2 or not.

I admitted my mistake.

I did not run to remove from my list.
I did not act out of revenge.

I know marlboroza as a talented bench investigator.
I read the Lauda profile and studied.
I'm not familiar with yogg (absolutely)
I know suchmoon as a makes the forum cleaner and a cosmic sense of humor.
I know yahoo62278 as one of the best bounty managers.

And from the fact that they removed me from the list - my opinion about them has not changed.

Those people who received my feedback (6):
xtraelv - The person from DT1, the forum's investigator and historian
chimk - merit source, the man who explains the idea and meaning of Bitcoin.
esmanthra - merit source, which explains the rules, translates them into Russian and helps the forum enormously in the fight against shitposting and scam.
xenon131 - A security specialist who explains the Bitcoin storage device explains how to work safely on the network.
TheFuzzStone - I know this person from other forums.
temarazin - The deal is not in this forum, I received a service, then paid for it (more than once).

[TMAN]

~SNIP~

Thanks for admitting to manipulating trust to get more members onto DT, proving that I was correct there bud.

[xandry]

So you do response quickly. Last time when I wanted to get your attention - it took you around a month to repond my topic.

The quantity of reports, as well as activity of users at a forum decreased. And i can said many thanks to user Piggy for notification bot

I'm well aware, the thread was innocent enough until the 14th when your boy got excluded - then the little monkeys went off the rails and you did fuck all to sort it out.  

You are Paid to make the forum a better place, you did not do your job to an acceptable level. You did nothing to discourage the exclusion of people who have thousands of ratings, do you have a personal agenda here?

Looks like on the 3rd time i need to translate text instead of you... People said that it would be good to have the Russian-speaking person in DT to tag known scammers, account sellers and merit sellers, because many of victims don't speak English and they can't explain to DT them problems. Of course they were upset when their one behind another was thrown out from DT for some strange reason (I didn't read a detail).
And then you say that they are participants of some criminal plot.

I do what i should. Any can discuss DT users and post his trust list.

Sorry, i don't understand about what ratings you talking about.

Do you really want someone to dump all your trust lists and merit histories?

I don't mind. My merit history mistakes was explained in mdayonliner thread and I try not to make them anymore; trust list can be viewed anytime.

[TMAN]

Looks like on the 3rd time i need to translate text instead of you... People said that it would be good to have the Russian-speaking person in DT to tag known scammers, account sellers and merit sellers, because many of victims don't speak English and they can't explain to DT them problems. Of course they were upset when their one behind another was thrown out from DT for some strange reason (I didn't read a detail).
And then you say that they are participants of some criminal plot.

I do what i should. Any can discuss DT users and post his trust list.

no you didn't do what you should - and you read in detail as you quoted a post then added your thoughts.

stop lying about this, there is obvious blatant collusion after the 14th when your "comrade" was excluded - then mob rule came along, some scammer tried to break the whole of DT with ~defaulttrust and I still see that now - why no ban? why no tag?

you are not suitable to do this job, god knows what else goes on in that section. And no I am not racist or whatever else you want to say, I was one of the members who added Alex_SR onto DT.

[suchmoon]

no you didn't do what you should - and you read in detail as you quoted a post then added your thoughts.

stop lying about this, there is obvious blatant collusion after the 14th when your "comrade" was excluded - then mob rule came along, some scammer tried to break the whole of DT with ~defaulttrust and I still see that now - why no ban? why no tag?

you are not suitable to do this job, god knows what else goes on in that section. And no I am not racist or whatever else you want to say, I was one of the members who added Alex_SR onto DT.

TBH I wouldn't want moderators to start removing posts on topics like that or otherwise interfering in trust system matters. We're supposed to police ourselves. I'll be excluding some of the obviously unsuitable members, even if they're not malicious but merely misguided. That's all we really need to do. The attempts to game the system are fully expected and even if that thread didn't exist it could still happen via PMs, telegram, etc so we better be ready and check and re-check those DT1/2 newbie lists.

[Oxstone]

I openly admit my mistakes and talk about it.
I deleted my reviews - very quickly.
Leaving only those - to whom I can entrust my money.

I wasn't manipulating.

That's the behaviour of someone caught red-handed IMO.

You admitted your mistakes in less than 2 posts without any arguments?

That's not a mistake, that's trying to fraud and giving up after getting caught.

[xandry]

and you read in detail as you quoted a post then added your thoughts.

Please, re-read my post:

Of course they were upset when their one behind another was thrown out from DT for some strange reason (I didn't read a detail).

It means I don't read a detail in English thread the reason why TheFuzzStone was excluded from DT.

[TMAN]

~snip~

Lies - Trust farming and public manipulation to get your "comrades" onto the DT network.

[Lauda]

and you read in detail as you quoted a post then added your thoughts.

Please, re-read my post:

Of course they were upset when their one behind another was thrown out from DT for some strange reason (I didn't read a detail).

It means I don't read a detail in English thread the reason why TheFuzzStone was excluded from DT.

He should have never been there to begin with. If they respond emotionally to one of "their" getting excluded, then they should all be excluded far away from DT. Just the usage of that wording symbolized gang.

no you didn't do what you should - and you read in detail as you quoted a post then added your thoughts.
stop lying about this, there is obvious blatant collusion after the 14th when your "comrade" was excluded - then mob rule came along, some scammer tried to break the whole of DT with ~defaulttrust and I still see that now - why no ban? why no tag?
you are not suitable to do this job, god knows what else goes on in that section. And no I am not racist or whatever else you want to say, I was one of the members who added Alex_SR onto DT.

TBH I wouldn't want moderators to start removing posts on topics like that or otherwise interfering in trust system matters. We're supposed to police ourselves. I'll be excluding some of the obviously unsuitable members, even if they're not malicious but merely misguided. That's all we really need to do. The attempts to game the system are fully expected and even if that thread didn't exist it could still happen via PMs, telegram, etc so we better be ready and check and re-check those DT1/2 newbie lists.

Indeed. I think he meant that xandry as a somewhat more reputable member and staff member should have pointed this out to the rest of us.

[TMAN]

Indeed. I think he meant that xandry as a somewhat more reputable member and staff member should have pointed this out to the rest of us.

Post in Meta or talk to other mods those are expected actions of a person of responsibility. I do think the ~Defaulttrust user should of been banned and post removed though - that is shoddy as hell leaving that there - what if It actually worked?