Massive abuse in the Russian section.

[Lauda]

1) What is that new trust system about? What is that mean for everyone? what changes it carries. I did my trust list without any ~ sign cause I didn't have motive to do that.

This is not the place to ask something that has been answered in the announcement thread.

2) Curious that there was so many negative feedback for TheFuzzstone , cause most of people before this new trust system didn't know that he even exist.  What he did wrong for these people? Curios also about taikuri13 cause he was deleted after TheFuzzstone as his enemy of people(вpaг нapoдa) . This is very popular term here in times of political repression in the 30s of the 20th century.

TheFuzzstone has no idea what he is doing, none of the positive feedback that he received is legitimate, he retaliaties due to his emotional responses; he should stay far away from DT.

4) I mentioned that "Lauda's people" well learned how effective are the Sulla's proscriptions was. If someone interesting you can read about that here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulla

There is no "Lauda's people", there is only The Cult of Lauda.

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Is the rest supposed to be a lesson about Sulla? If so, off-topic.

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[TMAN]

Need to stop with the cult/people/gang jokes now bud, people wont understand in other languages and its rather sensitive at the moment, and I really would prefer to sort this all peacefully without an east V west war.

There is no "Lauda's people", there is only The Cult of Lauda.

I feel there was abuse but as I had previously posted I don't believe everyone was involved and I do believe the local sections need representation on DT-2. My exclusions are not final, they were made due to what I saw as manipulation and gaming of the system and it seems others agree with me although I cannot remove any of my exclusions right now as I do not have the time to re go though the thread and make justifications to myself of who was actually involved, who I feel is guilty by association and who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I will do this when I have the free time to dedicate and I will be speaking to other members of DT to justify my reasoning.

now just to confirm the exclusions were made as a preemptive measure by me and some innocent people quite possibly have got grouped in with others, but checking my un-trusted tags there is enough proof that members of that community are not fit to be on DT especially TheFuzzstone who had malicious intent to game the system and has resorted to retaliatory negs over this - the guys who are sitting back and letting this play out are the ones who are in with a much better chance of having the exclusions removed.

Please people stop being emotional and give it a week tops

[Polkeins]

1) What is that new trust system about? What is that mean for everyone? what changes it carries. I did my trust list without any ~ sign cause I didn't have motive to do that.

This is not the place to ask something that has been answered in the announcement thread.

2) Curious that there was so many negative feedback for TheFuzzstone , cause most of people before this new trust system didn't know that he even exist.  What he did wrong for these people? Curios also about taikuri13 cause he was deleted after TheFuzzstone as his enemy of people(вpaг нapoдa) . This is very popular term here in times of political repression in the 30s of the 20th century.

TheFuzzstone has no idea what he is doing, none of the positive feedback that he received is legitimate, he retaliaties due to his emotional responses; he should stay far away from DT.

4) I mentioned that "Lauda's people" well learned how effective are the Sulla's proscriptions was. If someone interesting you can read about that here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulla

There is no "Lauda's people", there is only The Cult of Lauda.

-snip-

Is the rest supposed to be a lesson about Sulla? If so, off-topic.

1)I didn't ask about that here. I wrote that I asked about trust system on Russian thread 2 days ago, not here.

2)This is not my business to judge that TheFuzzstone received feedback legitimate or not, I just mentioned on Russian thread that that was strange that so many people sent ~ for him, because they didn't even know that he exist, just when he was mentioned on thread these people sent him ~. They really so well know him for a few moments and then gave him ~? Did they do that for their will?  Without pressure?

3)It's more of a philosophical and language moment. I don't know what is more proper "people or cult".

4)This is not lesson about Sulla. This is this is rather a hint that this thread is more like the massacre of a political opponent than the establishment of the essence of the point of Russian thread about trust system and the list in the beginning of the thread similar to the proscription, like the order for the elimination of competitors.

[Lauda]

1)I didn't ask about that here. I wrote that I asked about trust system on Russian thread 2 days ago, not here.

You clearly have a hard time expressing yourself in this language.

2)This is not my business to judge that TheFuzzstone received feedback legitimate or not, I just mentioned on Russian thread that that was strange that so many people sent ~ for him, because they didn't even know that he exist, just when he was mentioned on thread these people sent him ~. They really so well know him for a few moments and then gave him ~? Did they do that for their will?  Without pressure?

He should NOT be in DT and that is why people who see him exclude him. It'a as simple as that. Nobody can pressure you to exclude anyone, if they explicitly did then they would be painted red and removed.

3)It's more of a philosophical and language moment. I don't know what is more proper "people or cult".

Cult.

4)This is not lesson about Sulla. This is this is rather a hint that this thread is more like the massacre of a political opponent than the establishment of the essence of the point of Russian thread about trust system and the list in the beginning of the thread similar to the proscription, like the order for the elimination of competitors.

If any of you consider yourself analogous to "political opponents", then it is very clear to me that none of you deserve to be anywhere close to DT.

now just to confirm the exclusions were made as a preemptive measure by me and some innocent people quite possibly have got grouped in with others, but checking my un-trusted tags there is enough proof that members of that community are not fit to be on DT especially TheFuzzstone who had malicious intent to game the system and has resorted to retaliatory negs over this - the guys who are sitting back and letting this play out are the ones who are in with a much better chance of having the exclusions removed.

Which is alright. Those preemptive exclusions harm nobody unless they have mallicious intentions.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

2) Curious that there was so many negative feedback for TheFuzzstone , cause most of people before this new trust system didn't know that he even exist.  

I only realized he existed when I found out he'd excluded me from his trust list.  I've never had any interaction with him and don't know who he is--so either he's trying to make a trust list the exact opposite of Lauda's, or he genuinely doesn't trust me based on things I've written.  I suspect it's the former. 

Honestly I don't see a problem with the Russian section trying to gain some political power--or at least it doesn't surprise me--but creating trust lists that include QS and cryptohunter is just idiotic.  That's not the right way to go about getting a member onto DT in my opinion.

[Lauda]

Honestly I don't see a problem with the Russian section trying to gain some political power--or at least it doesn't surprise me--but creating trust lists that include QS and cryptohunter is just idiotic.  That's not the right way to go about getting a member onto DT in my opinion.

I could understand the emotional response and excluding me thereafter, but adding those two out of spite is just very childish. DT material for sure.

[marlboroza]

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Thanks. I will also check accounts manually and I will exclude them all(except xandry, but I have to check something first).

I will update this post shortly with my reason.

Xenon131 has added escrow scammer(quacksy) to trust network and peloso has added scammer |Admiral| who has default on loan and there is solid connection between Admiral and pinkman, chivasregal and some other accounts. I don't know who is owner of the account at the moment as account has probably changed hand. It can't be trusted.

They don't have good trust lists. Trust list with scammer on it is very bad list.

Dabljat included xenon131
taikuri131 included xenon131
MaoChao included peloso and xenon131
xenon131 included peloso and vice versa
TheFuzzStone included xenon131
biom33 included taikuri13
Rooivalk included TheFuzzStone  

Hope this is clear.

[suchmoon]

Not to mention that if you remove DefaultTrust then excluding individual DT1 members is meaningless unless you're in DT1 yourself. This seems to be peloso's attempt to convince other users to distrust actmyname and others who neg-trusted him, not a genuine attempt at building custom lists.

Then, what is you thought on why theymos has removed DefaultTrust entry from his DT0? Is that his "not a genuine attempt at building custom lists."?

theymos is in DT1. His exclusions matter. peloso's exclusions don't unless he gets into DT1.

You seem to have a serious problem either with the English language or with honesty. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the former but perhaps you should refrain from posting total bullshit if you don't really understand what it means:

theymos дepжaл и бyдeт дepжaть в ceкpeтe вce дeтaли:

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 I would've kept the DT1 criteria secret.
.....

There is no secret.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

TBH I wouldn't want moderators to start removing posts on topics like that or otherwise interfering in trust system matters. We're supposed to police ourselves.

Agreed.  Trust isn't moderated in the main sections in English and there shouldn't be some sort of double standard for any other section.  Whatever is happening in the Russian section as far as the trust system goes doesn't need to have moderator involvement--that's outside the scope of a mod's job as far as I can see.

I could understand the emotional response and excluding me thereafter, but adding those two out of spite is just very childish. DT material for sure.

It kind of makes me wonder whether newbies are aware of QS's "self-escrow" history.  I put that in quotes, because there's no such thing in the real world and if you searched for it you'd probably only get results from this forum.  There are also still some folks who don't think escrowing your own deals using an alt account is totally fine, and that just flabbergasts me.  Anyone who's got QS on his trust list ought to think about that a little. 

As far as including cryptohunter on a trust list, I would expect that from his alt accounts and people who don't fully comprehend the extent of BS he's writing.  It's not just a smear campaign; it's psychosis masquerading as helpfulness.  Sort of like what digaran was doing, though I have my doubts as to whether they're one and the same.

[TMAN]

They don't have good trust lists. Trust list with scammer on it is very bad list.

Dabljat included xenon131
taikuri131 included xenon131
MaoChao included peloso and xenon131
xenon131 included peloso and vice versa
TheFuzzStone included xenon131
Accounts Rooivalk and biom33 included TheFuzzSton.

Thanks man - But of course TMAN is the bad guy here for bringing this all up!

[KingScorpio]

http://archive.is/yNmaO

I only noticed this by chance as I am trying to teach myself a cyrillic language and happened to see a post publicly talking about exclusions and inclusions to get more Russians on DT.

I am excluding all the below and am slowly translating and tagging the obvious manipulators. (Staff are in that thread which is shocking)

one quote I liked - "But it is necessary to strengthen the position, since several people will be a little easier to show their strength"

~Alex_Sr
~peloso
~xenon131
~Rooivalk
~chimk
~esmanthra
~MaoChao
~DabLjat
~Polkeins
~madnessteat
~biom33
~Xal0lex

These are the guys they are talking about adding to trust to increase scores

~goran
~Provok
~Slasher
~Whitemanwhite
~TheFuzzStone
~zoldberg
~poptop
~be.open
~fzkto
~Gary levanevskii
~3meek
~chimk
~leonello
~MoxnatyShmel
~wh1rlw1nd
~xandry
Figured I might as well get this shit public as I am gonna have half the red army after me, I don't care if they manage to exclude me from DT, I just figure others need to be made aware of this behavior

seems like you can't stop the russians teaming up to increase their success

[marlboroza]

But of course TMAN is the bad guy here for bringing this all up!

Very very bad man.

They probably didn't read this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists

Going to check other accounts listed in topic.

Update:

madnessteat
    theymos
    minerjones
    MaoChao
    LoyceV
    TheFuzzStone
    xenon131
    Xal0lex
    chimk
    Alex_Sr
    taikuri13

[Oxstone]

Man. your data require an updating  . My list is flexible.

It shouldn't be...
Unless I misunderstood the use of the list you should put only people you trust for a good objective reason.

If you removed him it should mean something happened that make you no longer trust him. Not just because you were caught red-handed.

[TMAN]

cryptohunter

bets on how many more exclusions come down just for that alone.

[KingScorpio]

They don't have good trust lists. Trust list with scammer on it is very bad list.

Dabljat included xenon131
taikuri131 included xenon131
MaoChao included peloso and xenon131
xenon131 included peloso and vice versa
TheFuzzStone included xenon131
Accounts Rooivalk and biom33 included TheFuzzSton.

Thanks man - But of course TMAN is the bad guy here for bringing this all up!

Good Trust list -> Bitcoin Centrists, it doesnt matter weather someone has a good trust list, he is just opposing you you should better do a grade of "bitcoin maximalism" that would be honest

[TMAN]

U can easily check it by yourself  

No need - just proving that your exclusion was a sound idea.

[madnessteat]

Going to check other accounts listed in topic.

Update:

madnessteat
    theymos
    minerjones
    MaoChao
    LoyceV
    TheFuzzStone
    xenon131
    Xal0lex
    chimk
    Alex_Sr
    taikuri13

I am very interested to hear your opinion about me. An honest man has nothing to fear.

[TMAN]

Lauda included TMAN

TMAN  included  Lauda

Should I proceed to find all dependencies?  

well its not exactly secret that most physical bitcoin collectors talk off forum, in fact I met a large number of them in April 2017 and 2018 at a coin expo - you know you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to check my trust feedback either.. now  enough deflections. you can go on ignore now as well

@madnessteat you seem like a reasonable guy, but I don't know you at all so cannot remove your exclusion yet, please be patient

[Lauda]

But of course TMAN is the bad guy here for bringing this all up!

Very very bad man.

They probably didn't read this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists

Going to check other accounts listed in topic.

Update:
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It's very clear that some of these folk are intentionally creating counter-lists, which alone makes them untrustworthy  (even if you ignore all the thread stuff).

[peloso]

Xenon131 has escrow scammer(quacksy) in trust network and peloso has scammer |Admiral| who has default on loan and there is solid connection between Admiral and pinkman, chivasregal and some other accounts. I don't know who is owner of the account at the moment as account has probably changed hand. It can't be trusted.

hey! are you sick? i sure yes
i dont know/remember |Admiral| i dont know why i have positive feedback from him
aдso you can see nobogy get positive feedback from me

so i added you to my include list and by your stupid logic you are scammer ? because you connected to Admiral through me you are fucking genius