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January 18, 2019, 07:00:10 AM
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Sometimes to keep in perfect shape the procedure of free elections, more important than the result. Everyone knows that freedom and responsibility are two sides of the coin. Therefore, if as a result of free elections, people get an ineffective leader, they reserve the right to impeachment \ blacklist and internal investigation. There is a structure in politics that provides freedom and protects against the fatal mistakes of bad leaders. That is how it should be.

There are many experienced people in the English-speaking section who are able to observe the activities of people from the DT list and inform the community about their mistakes in time. For example, if the reference reference does not contain investigation and evidence, but only a personal offense, this is incompetence. Having several active accounts can be a bad sign, what are the goals of this person and how to prove it?
 
In local sections, more difficult. Some local sections live in a vacuum, they are like “Gotham sity”, I wrote about this in the summer. Whole groups of scammers can influence the formation of these local partitions. Russian section, you need to know it well, without knowledge of the language it is difficult. But for now, you can help the Russian guys choose honest people. How to do this, I do not know, it is easy to confuse honest and dishonest. May need a centralized destination, Or something average. You can experiment with elections, but remember, there is no internal security service there and the error will not be detected soon, clans may appear. Good job, not an easy, real maturity test.

It is rightly observed that the candidate must be fully prepared for this position. A candidate in the list of DT will need a Kevlar suit and mask, help in gaining knowledge and experience. If experienced DT members agree to help in correspondence, this will be a responsible attitude to the development of the forum community.

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January 18, 2019, 07:06:43 AM
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I guess there was some misunderstanding. People here just share there opinions and knowledge. Anyway, if there is such a problem, hope soon people will become more friendly and attentive to others
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January 18, 2019, 07:07:22 AM
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~snip~

Thanks man, although as I stated before up until the exclusion there was nothing wrong with the thread - you missed out a few of the pertinent posts though.

klarki - one voice of 250 is not enough either. Well, with voices of 10 each will not be superfluous either.
So let's think of something with this.

I interperate the above as discussing how to use a "vote" to get members onto DT-1


Until the majority of forum users delete DefaultTrust from their DT0 and make their own, it will be problematic to change the DT1 list. Users with a rank below Member, having configured their DT0, are not able to somehow influence the list of DT1.

Above needs no explanation

I have no time to go through the whole thread again, but I see the above as blatant manipulation - keen to hear others views.

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January 18, 2019, 07:47:08 AM
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@ LoyceV can you scrap trust lists of all accounts mentioned in topic?
Theymos' trust data dump happens on Saturday, so it'll have to wait a bit.

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January 18, 2019, 08:17:31 AM
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Not to mention that if you remove DefaultTrust then excluding individual DT1 members is meaningless unless you're in DT1 yourself. This seems to be peloso's attempt to convince other users to distrust actmyname and others who neg-trusted him, not a genuine attempt at building custom lists.

Then, what is you thought on why theymos has removed DefaultTrust entry from his DT0? Is that his "not a genuine attempt at building custom lists."?

What is this?



Cheesy These immature individuals should stay far away from DT IMO. Emotional responses are not welcome.

Can someone quickly parse who from that local section is in DT2?

Don't worry, it's not  final. you'll like it. I'm free to include anyone at any time for any reason. Removed a tilde (~)  at both you&TMAN  as it has no sense   for me at the present but included a few honorable names.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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January 18, 2019, 08:33:31 AM
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Don't worry, it's not  final. you'll like it.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

hey if they don't need help, let them be. They probably figure if they could get to the POTUS then can get to a forums DT list

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January 18, 2019, 09:35:40 AM
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That's it from me, I don't see anything wrong in this discussion
Nice work, but.... If you didn't see the conspiracy there, then you either conspired with us or misunderstood the translation. /s

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This is strange but today I felt(just for a little) How was that to be a famous)
I came to this forum a year ago and I think until yesterday 99,99999....9% people from this forum know that I even exist, but everything changed when  TMAN mentioned me on this thread with (~) . I wrote more than 450 posts but I was observed only for 4 messages in one thread. These messages were from 75-90 messages that marlboroza described as "#75 - 90 discussing trust system, merit abuse, farming accounts, trading accounts etc". That close to the point. I didn't called to put (~) to everyone, I don't have any personal problems with anyone from this thread. I just thought about 4 things on these 4 messages when I wrote them 2 days ago :

1) What is that new trust system about? What is that mean for everyone? what changes it carries. I did my trust list without any ~ sign cause I didn't have motive to do that. I didn't make any deals, any personal issue or something. I didn't have any motive to use ~ for anyone and I didn't. I didn't know about Lauda of TMAN before this thread or why I got on their list with ~.
In general I'm searching on Russian local cause this is easy for me, this is my native language. Technical thread on English terra incognita for me. Most of us do the same, not many people know Ehglish well. Most of people here forget that we read about new rules not from theymos, but from translator and for most of us this is not easy to understand about, cause not everyone knows English perfectly and and of course everyone in the translation have their own interpretations. If we didn't make this thread in Russian local most of the people from our local even didn't know that something changed.

2) Curious that there was so many negative feedback for TheFuzzstone , cause most of people before this new trust system didn't know that he even exist.  What he did wrong for these people? Curios also about taikuri13 cause he was deleted after TheFuzzstone as his enemy of people(вpaг нapoдa) . This is very popular term here in times of political repression in the 30s of the 20th century.

3) I mentioned that usually people (from the world) think that we (Russian-Soviet) think and act equally and that we don't have  our own opinion. Usually people think this is cause we have 70 years of communism, but I mentioned that people from English local act much more cohesive, almost unconditionally follow behind the leader and that we still have to learn this. We are just noobs on this, cause we are just students, though not the worst, but rather follow the English threads than organize  trends themselves, most of the good topics, it's just translations from English thread. Although we learned well and we(Russian local) made some good things too.

4) I mentioned that "Lauda's people" well learned how effective are the Sulla's proscriptions was. If someone interesting you can read about that more when you'll have time.
For a very small part of myself I felt  what was carried by the proscriptions of Sulla. When you can see your name on this proscription list just cause you were mentioned as a person that have "bad political stance" or too good a Villa on Capri.
Unfortunately, despite globalization and freedom of opinion,  sometimes we are still dominated by mentality, language barrier, mental patterns. Anyway there are some good sides of this situation and one of this that now more people try to understand about this new trust-system and start think about that more. More people will begin to understand more deeply in the forum, as most of they did when merit system came first time. So if someone read this message Don't listen to anyone. This should be your opinion and remember that you only you are responsible for the consequences of your decision.

and I think I should read book about Sulla again, one more time. With each new reading, it seems to me that Caesar's opponents, when they call him "the murderer of the Republic", simply do not study enough the history and prerequisites for the emergence of certain events.
English is not my native language so hope you'll excuse me for my grammar mistakes.

 
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January 18, 2019, 11:51:58 AM
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1) What is that new trust system about? What is that mean for everyone? what changes it carries. I did my trust list without any ~ sign cause I didn't have motive to do that.
This is not the place to ask something that has been answered in the announcement thread.

2) Curious that there was so many negative feedback for TheFuzzstone , cause most of people before this new trust system didn't know that he even exist.  What he did wrong for these people? Curios also about taikuri13 cause he was deleted after TheFuzzstone as his enemy of people(вpaг нapoдa) . This is very popular term here in times of political repression in the 30s of the 20th century.
TheFuzzstone has no idea what he is doing, none of the positive feedback that he received is legitimate, he retaliaties due to his emotional responses; he should stay far away from DT.

4) I mentioned that "Lauda's people" well learned how effective are the Sulla's proscriptions was. If someone interesting you can read about that here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulla
There is no "Lauda's people", there is only The Cult of Lauda.

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Is the rest supposed to be a lesson about Sulla? If so, off-topic.

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January 18, 2019, 12:07:28 PM
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Need to stop with the cult/people/gang jokes now bud, people wont understand in other languages and its rather sensitive at the moment, and I really would prefer to sort this all peacefully without an east V west war.

There is no "Lauda's people", there is only The Cult of Lauda.

I feel there was abuse but as I had previously posted I don't believe everyone was involved and I do believe the local sections need representation on DT-2. My exclusions are not final, they were made due to what I saw as manipulation and gaming of the system and it seems others agree with me although I cannot remove any of my exclusions right now as I do not have the time to re go though the thread and make justifications to myself of who was actually involved, who I feel is guilty by association and who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I will do this when I have the free time to dedicate and I will be speaking to other members of DT to justify my reasoning.

now just to confirm the exclusions were made as a preemptive measure by me and some innocent people quite possibly have got grouped in with others, but checking my un-trusted tags there is enough proof that members of that community are not fit to be on DT especially TheFuzzstone who had malicious intent to game the system and has resorted to retaliatory negs over this - the guys who are sitting back and letting this play out are the ones who are in with a much better chance of having the exclusions removed.

Please people stop being emotional and give it a week tops

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January 18, 2019, 12:18:34 PM
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1) What is that new trust system about? What is that mean for everyone? what changes it carries. I did my trust list without any ~ sign cause I didn't have motive to do that.
This is not the place to ask something that has been answered in the announcement thread.

2) Curious that there was so many negative feedback for TheFuzzstone , cause most of people before this new trust system didn't know that he even exist.  What he did wrong for these people? Curios also about taikuri13 cause he was deleted after TheFuzzstone as his enemy of people(вpaг нapoдa) . This is very popular term here in times of political repression in the 30s of the 20th century.
TheFuzzstone has no idea what he is doing, none of the positive feedback that he received is legitimate, he retaliaties due to his emotional responses; he should stay far away from DT.

4) I mentioned that "Lauda's people" well learned how effective are the Sulla's proscriptions was. If someone interesting you can read about that here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulla
There is no "Lauda's people", there is only The Cult of Lauda.

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Is the rest supposed to be a lesson about Sulla? If so, off-topic.
1)I didn't ask about that here. I wrote that I asked about trust system on Russian thread 2 days ago, not here.

2)This is not my business to judge that TheFuzzstone received feedback legitimate or not, I just mentioned on Russian thread that that was strange that so many people sent ~ for him, because they didn't even know that he exist, just when he was mentioned on thread these people sent him ~. They really so well know him for a few moments and then gave him ~? Did they do that for their will?  Without pressure?

3)It's more of a philosophical and language moment. I don't know what is more proper "people or cult".

4)This is not lesson about Sulla. This is this is rather a hint that this thread is more like the massacre of a political opponent than the establishment of the essence of the point of Russian thread about trust system and the list in the beginning of the thread similar to the proscription, like the order for the elimination of competitors.

 
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January 18, 2019, 12:28:06 PM
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1)I didn't ask about that here. I wrote that I asked about trust system on Russian thread 2 days ago, not here.
You clearly have a hard time expressing yourself in this language.

2)This is not my business to judge that TheFuzzstone received feedback legitimate or not, I just mentioned on Russian thread that that was strange that so many people sent ~ for him, because they didn't even know that he exist, just when he was mentioned on thread these people sent him ~. They really so well know him for a few moments and then gave him ~? Did they do that for their will?  Without pressure?
He should NOT be in DT and that is why people who see him exclude him. It'a as simple as that. Nobody can pressure you to exclude anyone, if they explicitly did then they would be painted red and removed.

3)It's more of a philosophical and language moment. I don't know what is more proper "people or cult".
Cult.

4)This is not lesson about Sulla. This is this is rather a hint that this thread is more like the massacre of a political opponent than the establishment of the essence of the point of Russian thread about trust system and the list in the beginning of the thread similar to the proscription, like the order for the elimination of competitors.
If any of you consider yourself analogous to "political opponents", then it is very clear to me that none of you deserve to be anywhere close to DT.

now just to confirm the exclusions were made as a preemptive measure by me and some innocent people quite possibly have got grouped in with others, but checking my un-trusted tags there is enough proof that members of that community are not fit to be on DT especially TheFuzzstone who had malicious intent to game the system and has resorted to retaliatory negs over this - the guys who are sitting back and letting this play out are the ones who are in with a much better chance of having the exclusions removed.
Which is alright. Those preemptive exclusions harm nobody unless they have mallicious intentions.

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January 18, 2019, 01:05:32 PM
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2) Curious that there was so many negative feedback for TheFuzzstone , cause most of people before this new trust system didn't know that he even exist.  
I only realized he existed when I found out he'd excluded me from his trust list.  I've never had any interaction with him and don't know who he is--so either he's trying to make a trust list the exact opposite of Lauda's, or he genuinely doesn't trust me based on things I've written.  I suspect it's the former. 

Honestly I don't see a problem with the Russian section trying to gain some political power--or at least it doesn't surprise me--but creating trust lists that include QS and cryptohunter is just idiotic.  That's not the right way to go about getting a member onto DT in my opinion.

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Honestly I don't see a problem with the Russian section trying to gain some political power--or at least it doesn't surprise me--but creating trust lists that include QS and cryptohunter is just idiotic.  That's not the right way to go about getting a member onto DT in my opinion.
I could understand the emotional response and excluding me thereafter, but adding those two out of spite is just very childish. DT material for sure. Roll Eyes

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Thanks. I will also check accounts manually and I will exclude them all(except xandry, but I have to check something first).

I will update this post shortly with my reason.

Xenon131 has added escrow scammer(quacksy) to trust network and peloso has added scammer |Admiral| who has default on loan and there is solid connection between Admiral and pinkman, chivasregal and some other accounts. I don't know who is owner of the account at the moment as account has probably changed hand. It can't be trusted.

They don't have good trust lists. Trust list with scammer on it is very bad list.

Dabljat included xenon131
taikuri131 included xenon131
MaoChao included peloso and xenon131
xenon131 included peloso and vice versa
TheFuzzStone included xenon131
biom33 included taikuri13
Rooivalk included TheFuzzStone  

Hope this is clear.

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January 18, 2019, 02:10:07 PM
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Not to mention that if you remove DefaultTrust then excluding individual DT1 members is meaningless unless you're in DT1 yourself. This seems to be peloso's attempt to convince other users to distrust actmyname and others who neg-trusted him, not a genuine attempt at building custom lists.

Then, what is you thought on why theymos has removed DefaultTrust entry from his DT0? Is that his "not a genuine attempt at building custom lists."?

theymos is in DT1. His exclusions matter. peloso's exclusions don't unless he gets into DT1.

You seem to have a serious problem either with the English language or with honesty. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the former but perhaps you should refrain from posting total bullshit if you don't really understand what it means:

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TBH I wouldn't want moderators to start removing posts on topics like that or otherwise interfering in trust system matters. We're supposed to police ourselves.
Agreed.  Trust isn't moderated in the main sections in English and there shouldn't be some sort of double standard for any other section.  Whatever is happening in the Russian section as far as the trust system goes doesn't need to have moderator involvement--that's outside the scope of a mod's job as far as I can see.

I could understand the emotional response and excluding me thereafter, but adding those two out of spite is just very childish. DT material for sure. Roll Eyes
It kind of makes me wonder whether newbies are aware of QS's "self-escrow" history.  I put that in quotes, because there's no such thing in the real world and if you searched for it you'd probably only get results from this forum.  There are also still some folks who don't think escrowing your own deals using an alt account is totally fine, and that just flabbergasts me.  Anyone who's got QS on his trust list ought to think about that a little. 

As far as including cryptohunter on a trust list, I would expect that from his alt accounts and people who don't fully comprehend the extent of BS he's writing.  It's not just a smear campaign; it's psychosis masquerading as helpfulness.  Sort of like what digaran was doing, though I have my doubts as to whether they're one and the same.

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January 18, 2019, 02:56:54 PM
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They don't have good trust lists. Trust list with scammer on it is very bad list.

Dabljat included xenon131
taikuri131 included xenon131
MaoChao included peloso and xenon131
xenon131 included peloso and vice versa
TheFuzzStone included xenon131
Accounts Rooivalk and biom33 included TheFuzzSton.

Thanks man - But of course TMAN is the bad guy here for bringing this all up!

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January 18, 2019, 03:01:31 PM
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http://archive.is/yNmaO

I only noticed this by chance as I am trying to teach myself a cyrillic language and happened to see a post publicly talking about exclusions and inclusions to get more Russians on DT.

I am excluding all the below and am slowly translating and tagging the obvious manipulators. (Staff are in that thread which is shocking)

one quote I liked - "But it is necessary to strengthen the position, since several people will be a little easier to show their strength"

~Alex_Sr
~peloso
~xenon131
~Rooivalk
~chimk
~esmanthra
~MaoChao
~DabLjat
~Polkeins
~madnessteat
~biom33
~Xal0lex

These are the guys they are talking about adding to trust to increase scores

~goran
~Provok
~Slasher
~Whitemanwhite
~TheFuzzStone
~zoldberg
~poptop
~be.open
~fzkto
~Gary levanevskii
~3meek
~chimk
~leonello
~MoxnatyShmel
~wh1rlw1nd
~xandry
Figured I might as well get this shit public as I am gonna have half the red army after me, I don't care if they manage to exclude me from DT, I just figure others need to be made aware of this behavior

seems like you can't stop the russians teaming up to increase their success

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Last edit: January 18, 2019, 03:40:09 PM by marlboroza
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But of course TMAN is the bad guy here for bringing this all up!
Very very bad man.

They probably didn't read this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
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List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists

Going to check other accounts listed in topic.

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    theymos
    minerjones
    MaoChao
    LoyceV
    TheFuzzStone
    xenon131
    Xal0lex
    chimk
    Alex_Sr
    taikuri13



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