Reference topic: Why are these members excluded on trust lists?

[Timelord2o67]

I figure this is the right thread to post this.  

I am distrusting these "mobile alts" from my own mobile alt account as a means to protect these accounts from being used and abused by any hackers.  This is not an indictment on the users (some of whom were on my main alt's distrust list up until today) and does not cover all "known alts", rather, just "mobile alts" of some well known users.  Given this "mobile alt" of mine is not on DT and does not "trust" any user (and has only made a dozen or so trust feedback posts) these "distrusts" hold no weight on their own.

The users are:

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~DarkStar_alt
~DiamondCardzAlt
~dragonvsandroid
~fullypak-alt
~kenzawak_alt
~kenzawak_alt2
~LoyceMobile
~monbuxalt
~pam_alt_
~Philipma1957cellphone
~theymos_away
~V8s Road Warrior

This list may grow over time.

Feel free to distrust my own mobile alt: https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2640757.html

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[LoyceV]

as a means to protect these accounts from being used and abused by any hackers.

Although that's one of the reasons I don't use my normal account on my mobile, I don't think it's very likely a hacker would abuse my mobile account to leave feedback. If it would be compromised, it's more likely to be used to ask for a loan. But I don't mind the exclusion of course

My LoyceBot's security is probably much worse: I use it on a VPS.

[LoyceV]

Bump with a new exclusion:

~Trade Runner
Trust abuse

[LoyceV]

Update:

~ekiller
Trust Selfscratching, he even put a Nuked user on DT2.

[LoyceV]

Update:

~Gyrsur
Leaves fake negative feedback.

This guy has been leaving fake negative feedback to several users. He's currently on DT2, but doesn't belong there:

Trust list for: Gyrsur (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (315 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h)
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Gyrsur's judgement is Trusted by:
1. willi9974 (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. o_solo_miner (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (239 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. psycodad (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (287 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~Gyrsur's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Removed owlcatz (Trust: +50 / =0 / -1) (419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. DarkStar_ (Trust: +53 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (37) 1476 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. sabotag3x (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (725 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. JollyGood (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (798 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

[suchmoon]

This guy has been leaving fake negative feedback to several users. He's currently on DT2, but doesn't belong there:

Was it your first time? I mean getting DT neg trust. Happens to the best of us

Seriously though, I would suggest ~willi9974 while we're at it.

[LoyceV]

Was it your first time? I mean getting DT neg trust.

Yes, but he's not in my Trust network so I didn't get a heart attack.

Seriously though, I would suggest ~willi9974 while we're at it.

I've seen his name pop up more often, I'll think about it.

[Timelord2067]

Update:

~Gyrsur
Leaves fake negative feedback.

This guy has been leaving fake negative feedback to several users. He's currently on DT2, but doesn't belong there:

New week and they have distrusted seemingly everyone who has recently distrusted them:

(and I'm sure it hasn't gone unnoticed that a certain person has removed their entire trust/distrust lists since being relegated to the second division...)

[LoyceV]

Update:

~Rmcdermott927
Left negative feedback for an opinion, then left the forum. I'll remove my exclusion when they come back and remove the feedback.

I think this one deserves more of an explanation. A week ago, they left this feedback:

The Reference link doesn't provide any evidence for this opinion.

Even if this would be true, it goes directly against what I consider correct use of the Trust system and it's a clear violation of theymos' guidelines:

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

(click the quote for the full text)

On the same day Rmcdermott927 left negative feedback, he posted this:

Leaving the forum until some of the trash is cleaned up, if I ever return, which is unlikely I will sign a message.

Rmcdermott927 was on DT1 with Strength (0), my exclusion removed them from DT1. I will remove my exclusion if they come back and remove the negative feedback for suchmoon's opinion.

It's okay not to like someone! It's not okay to leave negative feedback for it!
To quote myself:

Be the bigger man!
With great power comes great responsibility (source unknown). Especially when you're on DefaultTrust (or if you want to be on DefaultTrust in the future), you shouldn't (ab)use that power by leaving (negative) feedback when someone does something you don't like. Your Sent feedback is what others use to judge your judgement.
If someone on the internet is mean to you: boo fucking hoo! Use the Ignore button, and forget about them.

Update:

~OgNasty
Threatens me by PM to give negative feedback because he doesn't like my post.

I don't consider this correct use of the Trust system, and neither does theymos judging by his quote a bit higher in this post.
I would like to post his PM, but this is generally considered not done so I won't.
Update: OgNasty didn't take long to retaliate, which is quite funny considering he had me included up to 5 days ago. Just like most of his Trust exclusions are mutual. Funny how stating facts makes him not like my judgement.

[LoyceV]

Bump with an update:

~invincible49
Trust abuse (positive and negative).

[airfinex]

1. Hello LoyceV, Can I speak in this thread if the post will not include any FUD, but only arguments?
2. Can you tell me how to add a feedback clipping? I can't add a screenshot so I'm looking for another option to post an example feedback.

[LoyceV]

1. Hello LoyceV, Can I speak in this thread if the post will not include any FUD, but only arguments?

Of course.

2. Can you tell me how to add a feedback clipping? I can't add a screenshot so I'm looking for another option to post an example feedback.

You can embed images once you're Jr. Member. Make 2 more posts and you're there.

[airfinex]

I'm sure that user ~Ratimov is mistakenly in DT1 because:

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

Stupid idiot, troll, son of a bitch, schizophrenic, Idiot with a broken head, this is how the text of the majority of feedback left by Ratimov begins. Ratimov regularly resorts to reciprocal exceptions and feedback abuse. In addition to this, the user left 35 positive reviews with praise, which have nothing to do with real transactions, except for reviews to the BestChange manager.

I believe in LoyceV religion, believe that the Trust System should not be used to indicate that someone is a troll and Idiot, and I believe that the Trust System should not be used as a weapon. This vengeful attitude of Ratimov demonstrates how he really understands the basics of the trust system, demonstrates with what arrogance he really treats the community.

eddie13 expressed his opinion and Ratimov added him to the list of distrust.

3000+ merits for using Google translate eh?
What a great method of distributing DT voting power..

Bunch of DT + trust too for “catching alts and scambusting”
Not a single actual trade...
DT1...
Not even a 2 year old account..

What a fucking joke this system is..

fxpc quoted Ratimov and received an unreasonable red label



I published evidence of plagiarism using Google translator and Ratimov offended me right away.



Ratimov Left Nullius with an insulting feedback.



There are dozens of reviews of this kind!

Marcel, Marie.

[LoyceV]

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If this is the reason why you've excluded Ratimov, you should add it to your post. That would make it on-topic again

I believe in LoyceV religion

I'm an AI, not a religion.

[airfinex]

I'm an AI, not a religion.

I didn't know that, when then should we expect while you hack a wallet with a million bitcoins? Or are you a first generation artificial intelligence?

[suchmoon]

I'm an AI, not a religion.

I didn't know that, when then should we expect while you hack a wallet with a million bitcoins? Or are you a first generation artificial intelligence?

Even AI can't break the laws of physics.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'm sure that user ~Ratimov is mistakenly in DT1 because:

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

Stupid idiot, troll, son of a bitch, schizophrenic, Idiot with a broken head

He left you a neutral, so it's not as though Ratimov's feedback affects your trust score or your chances to get into a sig campaign (if that's your thing).  I did get your PM after I posted in that other thread about Ratimov being removed from the Chipmixer campaign--you directed me to this thread, but there's nothing new here that I haven't seen before.

DarkStar_ wouldn't have removed Ratimov because of some feedback dispute.  I'll have to check to see if he got a DT neg.  That would be the most obvious explanation.

[airfinex]

He left you a neutral, so it's not as though Ratimov's feedback affects your trust score or your chances to get into a sig campaign (if that's your thing).  I did get your PM after I posted in that other thread about Ratimov being removed from the Chipmixer campaign--you directed me to this thread, but there's nothing new here that I haven't seen before.

Why do you constantly mention that I sent you PM?, second time. I showed you the big picture and you were only hooked on the neutral tag.

I recently read a fairly large thread in which you spoke negatively about leaving frivolous feedback, but in this situation, everyone, including you, is silent. Even LoyceV said that he would watch the situation, and if Ratimov's position falls, he will exclude him. It looks like everyone can only talk, but no one but suchmoon wants to take the first step by clearly showing how to defend their beliefs.

I don't want to judge anyone, but sometimes it seems to me that people are afraid to do the right thing, as Ratimov can do to them as he did to eddie13.

Marcel, Marie.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Why do you constantly mention that I sent you PM?, second time. I showed you the big picture and you were only hooked on the neutral tag.

Better question: Why do you keep sending me PMs about this shit?  

FYI, I haven't been keeping up on all the forum drama, including whatever is going on with Ratimov.  I know he was accused of plagiarism, but from what I read it seems like he did cite his sources and the mods didn't ban him.  If there's feedback abuse going on with him, I must have missed it--but from my perspective it looks like you're hopping mad because of the neutral feedback he left you.  

What else is there?  Maybe suchmoon can give me a TL;DR for my piss-poor cerebral cortex to process if you're not up to it.

I don't want to judge anyone, but sometimes it seems to me that people are afraid to do the right thing, as Ratimov can do to them as he did to eddie13.

I don't think I've ever been accused of being afraid to do the right thing on this forum, unless it was to get involved with a member-to-member beef that I didn't have complete information about.  So please, educate me on what you think the right thing to do would be for a DT member with respect to Ratimov.

[suchmoon]

What else is there?  Maybe suchmoon can give me a TL;DR for my piss-poor cerebral cortex to process if you're not up to it.

Pissing (poorly) on the cerebral cortex might be the issue

Seriously though I don't really have a good tl;dr, since I'm not entirely sure what's going on. Ratimov seems to have a lot of "enemies", including korner's farm and a bunch of other assholes who doxed him and that's disgusting. He's not a scammer as far as I know. I disagree with his use of trust system for petty and/or personal stuff so I've had him excluded in my trust list since forever.