Reference topic: Why are these members excluded on trust lists?

[LoyceV]

Reference post: Why have I excluded members on my trust list?
Since I can't give an explanation or Reference link with my trust list, I'll keep track here.

Currently excluded
~cryptohunter
Bad judgement, conspiracy nut, and spamming many topics with his "ideas".

~BiPolarBob
Hacked account.

~Gleb Gamow
Several reasons, see his red trust.

~gamerfan
Red trusted user who was included on DT.

~Alex_Sr
Right after being on DT2, he left positive trust to the many users he seems to like, and deleted it after being excluded. Apparently being on DT is more important than leaving accurate ratings. He is "still very inexperienced in matters of trust".
Reminder for myself: review this one somewhere in the future (weeks/months).

~SmartPayMINT
Red trusted user who leaves retaliatory feedback and was included on DT2.

~LoyceValenzuela
Imposter.

~IdiotCoder
Leaves ratings without reference, and left red trust based on a user's religion (reference).

~BetKing.io
Scammed me out of $700 and left 6 users fake retaliation feedback after I opened a scam accusation.

~griffoninvest
Leaves fake red trust to spam hunters after theymos wiped all yobit signatures.

~BillyBurns
Shills hard for a scammer, and leaves fake red trust to people who tagged said scammer.

~Kriptonian1661
Leaves fake red trust.

~Blazr
This user's feedback is for sale, the account might be compromised.

~Vadi2323
This guy gave yahoo62278 red feedback because of his personal vendetta against another user. See Reference post.

~wolwoo
1. In one week, this DT1-member added 24 users to his Trust list. Most of those users never left any feedback and don't have a custom Trust list. Therefore, they don't belong on DT2, and the user who adds them doesn't belong on DT1.
2. 4 months ago, this user left positive feedback to 16 users, all without reference link. The only thing they seem to have in common is their nationality, just like the users on his Trust list. That shouldn't be a reason to give them positive feedback and/or DT2-powers.
3. This user leaves retaliation feedback.

~peloso
A red trusted Merit abuser who's trying a hostile takeover of DT to clear his red trust.
Update May 6, 2020: peloso abused his DT1 powers to shower one (or more) users with negative feedback, while increasing his own Trust score (Trust selfscratching).

~vycl87
He has included several users who shouldn't be on DT (see his Trust list) and left positive feedback for what looks like nationalism on their local board. I don't think this positive feedback to Trust abusers (not all of the receivers) should be on DT.

~smartcontracts100
Leaves fake negative feedback and abuses the Trust Flag system.

~Trade Runner
Trust abuse.

~ekiller
Trust Selfscratching, he even put a Nuked user on DT2.

~Gyrsur
Leaves fake negative feedback.

~Rmcdermott927
Left negative feedback for an opinion, then left the forum. I'll remove my exclusion when they come back and remove the feedback. See this post.

~OgNasty
Threatens me by PM to give negative feedback because he doesn't like my post.

No longer excluded
~invincible49
Trust abuse (positive and negative).

Currently not excluded because they're not a threat to the system, but I'll exclude them if someone ever includes them again
~mike
A Brand new user who somehow was included in DT.

~game-protect
Loads of red trust.

~BITMIXCOIN.IO
Scammer called out by me.

~John547s3
Scammer called out by me.

~ChangeNOW
Scammer with red trust from me.

~bountyhunters.io
Potential (failed/prevented) exit scam.

~mdayonliner
This user isn't on DT, but showed up on my depth 1, which I don't think they deserve.

~MrCryptHodl
This user leaves positive feedback to many users without valid reason (he didn't risk anything), and adds many (new) users who leave him positive feedback to his Trust list (which puts them on DT2).

~Timelord2067
I've hesitated to exclude this user for a long time. That moment has arrived: he's too stubborn to admit he was wrong leaving negative feedback to 2 users while he was on DT2. Even after locking his topic and adding neutral feedback (with the same incorrect claims) he hasn't removed his negative feedback. It's unfortunate he removes the importance of all his good ratings by leaving ratings that are objectively incorrect.

~Ratimov
This user rages in the feedback he leaves, sometimes neutral, sometimes negative. This has been going on for years. Instead of improving his feedback, he retaliates against users who call him out, and against users who exclude him from their Trust list. That's not how the Trust system is supposed to be used. See Should Ratimov be in DT1?

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All my threads are now self-moderated to stop signature spam. I will remove all irrelevant posts. If you quote the entire OP, your entry will be deleted.
Once in a while I'll summarize posts and clean up this thread.

Share yours
I encourage everyone to keep track of the reasons behind their own exclusions too.
I don't think it's helpful to create many topics on this, feel free to use 1 post here for yours (including reasons), and I'll link it from the next post.

Static list?
This list isn't static, I'll add, change or remove entries when I think it's needed.

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[LoyceV]

Reserved for links to posts from other users

Timelord2067
mdayonliner
coinlocket$
Timelord2o67
OgNasty
airfinex

[mdayonliner]

~

I always have respect for you and I consider you as a very good data analyst.

I wonder why Lauda her/his Cult of Lauda and whey did she added the picture too   The community wanted to spam there  

[Slow death]

~Gleb Gamow
Several reasons, see his red trust.

Bruno was a guy who contributed a lot to the forum, I always liked his posts because he has a style of posting different from most of the people of forum and looking at the Latest posts made in this account becomes very doubtful that it is post done by bruno

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[The Cult of Lauda] My Trust List:

~Quickseller  

I wonder What happen if all the old guys on the forum show their trust list

[Lauda]

May I suggest not bloating your trust list with exclusions of scammers or other abandoned (neg. rated accounts) that have near zero chance of ever being excluded? For example BITMIXCOIN.IO, with -256:

Last Active:    June 20, 2018

[LoyceV]

I wonder What happen if all the old guys on the forum show their trust list

It's public data, dumped by theymos once a week.

May I suggest not bloating your trust list with exclusions of scammers or other abandoned (neg. rated accounts) that have near zero chance of ever being excluded? For example BITMIXCOIN.IO, with -256:

My list is "work in progress", but you make a good point. I've removed those from my list, but keep track of the removed entries here.

[Timelord2067]

I'll claim a spot on the first page:

Code:

~[BTC]onFIRE
~[btc]onfire1
~~PayPal-Trader~
~1discovery
~4x4et
~98problems
~Abiky
~ACCTseller
~AcoinL.L.C
~ActSeller
~AGLD
~Akka
~Alaki
~Alanay
~Altcoin4life
~applesRyummy
~asche
~bigvern
~BiPolarBob
~Bitcoin-Police
~BitcoinSupremo
~BurHan-Hacker
~captainfuture
~Casper Simian
~Champion Of PvP Humb
~Chevas Regal
~Coinbuddy
~coindetective
~CoinMonster
~crazyivan
~CrazyLoaf
~crazyloaffer
~cryptohunter
~Cyrus
~DarkStar_
~DavidGermany
~DavidSantamaria
~DavidXXXX
~defcon23
~deluxeCITY
~digaran
~Disposition
~e1ghtSpace
~EcuaMobi
~EFS
~Engg.Chaks
~erikalui
~Erkallys
~erundook
~escrow.ms
~exstasie
~extraKrispy
~FriendlyChemist
~game-protect
~Gildarts
~Gleb Gamow
~goose20
~gorgon666
~Hi7
~hilarious*
~hilariousandco
~Humbertin19_
~Humberton19
~iconis999
~jamalaezaz
~jamesmerton
~kano
~KeithBeeCham
~kenzawak
~KingofSwing
~Kolder
~kralle
~Kummerf
~Lauda
~logictense
~lokos1913a
~LuckyYOU
~Lutpin
~marcelus
~MarkMJ
~master-P
~max in montreal
~mexxer
~mexxer-2
~MicroGuy
~miningdude
~Mister k
~mixan
~mjsbuddha
~monbux
~Muhammed Zakir
~needFREElunch
~nulo0b
~omegaflare
~Omegasun
~ONLYfree
~Operatr
~orryde
~Panthers52
~Phinnaeus Gage
~popshot
~ProfMac
~Quickseller
~Robertt
~RodrigoHenrik
~Scam Investigator
~SmartPayMINT
~teamy5892
~Tomatocage
~Tomatocage1
~TrueHari
~usamakhalid961
~V.Lace
~VINSIN
~VonSpass
~Wendigo
~YuTü.Co.in
~Zeroxal
~Zin-Zang

Most are obvious Known Alts (the ring leaders or UID with most to loose) / scammers (Kolder Alaki etc) / trust abuse / account sellers etc. There are 18 who have me on their list (including Lutpin who (until I found out had me on his Negative DT list) I thought was OK), so I have obligingly reciprocated.  QS & TC for self escrowing / TC & QS' alts eg Mexxer - Panthers52 etc / Bruno(s) / Chronic gamblers (Humbertin/DavidXXXX etc) / Butt Hurt ^TM - the list goes on. I went back through my trust list Red Paint ^TM and have picked out the names that jumped out at me.

Ten UID's have me as trusted while 18 don't, so I'll never be DT2 much less one, so I'm not really worried about adding a few hundred UID's over the next few weeks.  I think from now on I'll be adding more regularly. (I never really added anyone except for a couple of real noteworthy assholes until this recent DT drama started.)

*edit* I've already had an enquiry via PM about my list, by way of answering, the 18 who don't trust me (or previously didn't trust me but have removed their negative) according to this list https://anduck.net/files/bct_trustlists.txt are:

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         asche
         Casper Simian
         DarkStar_
         defcon23
         EcuaMobi
         erikalui
         Erkallys
         exstasie
         hilariousandco
         iconis999
         kenzawak
         logictense
         Lutpin
         Mister k
         nutildah
         Operatr
         Quickseller
         Tomatocage
         VonSpass
         Zeroxal
         Zin-Zang

Four or five of these I've never crossed paths with and I suspect are alts of some of the other's mexxer-2 *did* have me on their untrusted list and has come on today to remove me with another UID filling their place at to keep the list at 18 not trusting me.

*third edit*

My excluded by these people on the 5th of Jan looked like this:

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     excluded by (14): 
         defcon23
         EcuaMobi
         EFS
         erikalui
         Erkallys
         hilariousandco
         iconis999
         Lutpin
         mexxer-2
         Operatr
         Quickseller
         Tomatocage
         VonSpass
         Zeroxal

As you can see EFS and mexxer-2 were on the list seven days earlier, now they have been replaced by Casper Simian, DarkStar_, exstasie, kenzawak, Mister k and Zin-Zang - will have to investigate if they are alts of QS/TC etc

*second edit*

I've added the following for the reasons given:

kano for holding extraordinary amounts of "dust" from their mining operations instead of paying it out manually once in a while. Some dust is over $100 *per user* even at today's rates.

*third edit* List of persons who removed me from their DT list under instruction from various DT manipulators: I haven't added them to my don't trust list.

Code:

owlcatz
bones261
Slow death

List of persons who have removed others from their DT list under instruction from manipulators: (none of whom are on either my trust or not trusted list)

• achow101
• owlcatz

[mdayonliner]

I wonder What happen if all the old guys on the forum show their trust list

I guess people who are on DT (both DT1 and DT2) - their trust list is already public?

[The Cryptovator]

Since I am new on DT network I don't have excluded list yet. If I am not wrong whoever is not on DT network not necessary to exclude him. Because exclude means I don't want to see his feedback. If he isn't on DT network then automatically his feedback will not visible for me. Correct me if I am wrong.
Or exclude means I don't want to see on DT network if he isn't already on DT.
So I don't think just make your exclusion list bigger if there is not obvious abuse case.

~Alex_Sr
Right after being on DT2, he left positive trust to the many users he seems to like, and deleted it after being excluded. Apparently being on DT is more important than leaving accurate ratings. He is "still very inexperienced in matters of trust".

Regarding Alex_Sr case I already discussed him and I think TMAN also discussed with him. He is very new and he send few positive feedback which is wrong in my eye. So I asked him to delete all the feedback without reference and instruct him to avoid future like this activity. And I recommend him to write on comment as much as possible with reference link on every feedback.
So he refresh his feedback's and it's seems now quite legitimate.

It's depend on you you will delete or not, but I think you can give him second chance. Hope he will not misuse anymore. As far as I know TMAN already add him again after refresh feedback

I have the whole of the Russian section after me, check meta for more fun

Lol. Just noticed now. Really interesting....

[TMAN]

Regarding Alex_Sr case I already discussed him and I think TMAN also discussed with him. He is very new and he send few positive feedback which is wrong in my eye. So I asked him to delete all the feedback without reference and instruct him to avoid future like this activity. And I recommend him to write on comment as much as possible with reference link on every feedback.
So he refresh his feedback's and it's seems now quite legitimate.

He is more on and off than a whores nickers, he is gone again - I have the whole of the Russian section after me, check meta for more fun

[Timelord2067]

I wonder What happen if all the old guys on the forum show their trust list

I guess people who are on DT (both DT1 and DT2) - their trust list is already public?

https://anduck.net/files/bct_trustlists.txt All will be reveled.

[LoyceV]

You can easily check everyone's trust list by putting the desired username in your trust list and then setting the trust depth to 1 (it shows both inclusions and exclusions).

Don't do this on a live DT1 account please

[morvillz7z]

^ Haha, right. I didn't think of that.

Is the Default trust breakdown live or it updates every couple of days/week?

[TMAN]

You can easily check everyone's trust list by putting the desired username in your trust list and then setting the trust depth to 1 (it shows both inclusions and exclusions).

Don't do this on a live DT1 account please

oh my, please don't tell me anyone on DT is stupid enough to try this.

[Slow death]

Ten UID's have me as trusted while 18 don't...

https://anduck.net/files/bct_trustlists.txt All will be reveled.

I have 3 guys who trust me... hahahaha

[mdayonliner]

https://anduck.net/files/bct_trustlists.txt All will be reveled.

This is a great one. Thanks. I don't know how I missed this. The data seems old. Anyway...

My name appeared 31 times! That's quite a lot   and I see a lot of exclusion for me  

And the users:
tmfp <=  
marlboroza <= as expected lol
IconFirm <= who is this? Really LOL
kenzawak <= no clue about this user
kirito1614 <= who is this again LOL I see he excluded hilariousetc too LOL
o_e_l_e_o <=  

Anyway these are the people are in my trust included list:

Code:

satoshi
theymos
OgNasty
Vod
Anduck
mprep
KWH
Cyrus
Welsh
TMAN
Lauda
DefaultTrust
Blazed
suchmoon
minerjones
yahoo62278
zazarb
LoyceV
actmyname
The Pharmacist
DarkStar_
Jet Cash
Hhampuz
krogothmanhattan
iasenko
DdmrDdmr
shahzadafzal

Can I add the exclusion list? Is it ok for a non-DT?

[LoyceV]

Can I add the exclusion list? Is it ok for a non-DT?

DT or not doesn't matter, as that often changes. But this topic is for exclusions, or at least good reasoning with each name.

[DarkStar_]

As you can see EFS and mexxer-2 were on the list seven days earlier, now they have been replaced by Casper Simian, DarkStar_, exstasie, kenzawak, Mister k and Zin-Zang - will have to investigate if they are alts of QS/TC etc

Good luck with your investigation! I excluded you because I think you leave negative trust a bit too easily and sometimes based off of a lot of assumptions. Overall you probably do more good than harm, but I don't want to have a lot of innocent people having DT red simply because their registration date lined up or something

[mdayonliner]

Can I add the exclusion list? Is it ok for a non-DT?

DT or not doesn't matter, as that often changes. But this topic is for exclusions, or at least good reasoning with each name.

Thank you so here I am ....
~hilariousandco
~hilariousetc
The feedback should speak. Too much power is not good by the way. Read the highlights.

Changing my positive feedback to negative. https://i.imgur.com/m4Ixb1A.png (I was wrong)

A community counts on members like hilariousetc and hilariousandco (both same). One of the oldest, one of the most reputed. People believe them and follow them but when they starts acting irresponsible then it harms those same people, truth is the entire community.

I am worried how many forum members are victim of his poor judgements.

Please read the 124th comment in the reference URL.

Reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20190114190741/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.0;all

~xandry: I really has hiccup for this user. I'm just not sure if my hiccup's are true or not. So, I would like to keep him away. No disrespect.

~marlboroza: LOL obviously. I found him numerous time he bring the evidences how he wants. Only judge from one side. He forgets that a coin has another side. Sorry mate.

~digaran: Although I adopted his shorten style for hilariousetc as "Hilary" which I spelled "Hilari" which is led me to... blab blab... LOL. Anyway, I guess he was just a troll. Mentally unstable.

~AdolfinWolf: Not sure what did I do for him but seems like he does not like me. Always finds a way to humiliate me. May be he does the same for others. I just don't know.

~TheUltraElite: Same as AdolfinWolf. I noticed the user feels good when things go wrong from my side. May be he does the same for others too.

~xtraelv: Huh! obviously. I even think the guy planned for everything to get listed in DT network. He built up relationships with the key characters in the forum to get the advantages.

~bigmelons25: Trolls and had issues with me is several times.
~Dig Bicks: Completely troll I even believe it's digaran

That's all in my distrust list.

[marlboroza]

~

You shouldn't set up trust list and send/change trust feedback based on your emotions.

[Timelord2067]

Circle Jerk.

TomatoCage gives TomatoCage1 (their own alt) DT Trust http://archive.fo/KLejM#selection-9.735529-9.735907

TomatoCage1 gives quickseller DT Trust

quickseller gives tomatocage DT trust

(am cross posting for anyone who may have missed it)

[The Sceptical Chymist]

(am cross posting for anyone who may have missed it)

I did see that on the other thread--not sure if it's off-topic here, but is QS on DT now or what?  And I thought Tomatocage was off DT.

~TheUltraElite:<snip>

~xtraelv:<snip>

I don't think either one of these members is untrustworthy, but to each his own (nor marlboroza).  You claimed that xtraelv was aiming to be on DT, and while that could certainly be true I don't suspect it was for nefarious purposes.  He has been very good at busting scams along with cryptodevil.  Just my 2 cents; it's your trust list.

[Lauda]

~TheUltraElite:<snip>

~xtraelv:<snip>

I don't think either one of these members is untrustworthy, but to each his own (nor marlboroza).  You claimed that xtraelv was aiming to be on DT, and while that could certainly be true I don't suspect it was for nefarious purposes.  He has been very good at busting scams along with cryptodevil.  Just my 2 cents; it's your trust list.

I do also question why TheUltraElite is exlcluded. I've seen him a couple of times and talked to him a couple of times. He seems to have good judgement unless I have missed something.

[TMAN]

I do also question why TheUltraElite is exlcluded. I've seen him a couple of times and talked to him a couple of times. He seems to have good judgement unless I have missed something.

He is a good lad, not about much any more  but I think that's due to studies.

[TheUltraElite]

I do also question why TheUltraElite is exlcluded.

Went through the hierarchical list and found that Hhampuz is the person who has added me to their trust list turning me from neutral trust to DT-2 much to my displeasure because I prefer to stay off the drama that goes around DT in the forum, like for instance the cryptohunter spam, though I guess its just me because I tend to visit the forum more for its discussions related to crypto and at times calling out the scum and the scammers trying to rob naive newbies and obviously account sellers.

I've seen him a couple of times and talked to him a couple of times. He seems to have good judgement unless I have missed something.

Just a couple of times?

He is a good lad, not about much any more  but I think that's due to studies.

I keep track of everything happening in the forum even when I am not logged in. Still trying to balance studies and visiting the forum.

[Timelord2067]

(am cross posting for anyone who may have missed it)

I did see that on the other thread--not sure if it's off-topic here, but is QS on DT now or what?  And I thought Tomatocage was off DT.

TC is included by 97 and excluded by 27 (and more importantly is included by theymos http://archive.fo/KBj0E#selection-9.103901-9.103908 )

QS is included by just 21 (included by such luminaries as james.lent, escrow.ms and goose20) and excluded by 77 ( http://archive.fo/KBj0E#selection-9.636672-9.636763 )

[LoyceV]

Currently excluded
~Alex_Sr
Right after being on DT2, he left positive trust to the many users he seems to like, and deleted it after being excluded. Apparently being on DT is more important than leaving accurate ratings. He is "still very inexperienced in matters of trust".
Reminder for myself: review this one somewhere in the future (weeks/months)

Alex_Sr was on DT2 already, and moved up to DT1 today. This seems like a good moment to re-evaluate, and I'm no longer excluding him.
I'm still not entirely happy with the way he left and then removed trust, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt (like many other users have done).

[coinlocket$]

~yo-blin untrustworthy management
~TradeFortress 🏕 Obvious reason
~peloso conspiration
~needmoney untrustworthy management
~cryptohunter conspiration
~hua_hui untrustworthy management
~Gleb Gamow untrustworthy management
~Thule conspiration
~olcaytu2005 untrustworthy management
~Ehrhc scammer
~Yankeestyle scammer
~trugad untrustworthy management
~Bazinga442 conspiration
~Xwin untrustworthy management
~Deena conspiration
~H8bussesNbicycles conspiration

Even if they are excluded from my trust list most of them have no feedback.

Serial bad managers like tokensuite people have the feedback also.


Update:

~yo-blin
~TradeFortress 🏕
~peloso
~needmoney
~cryptohunter
~marcotheminer
~Hexah
~hua_hui
~Gleb Gamow
~Thule
~Fire Rabbit
~stingers
~olcaytu2005
~game-protect
~cheus
~Ehrhc
~Yankeestyle
~ok-aurus
~trugad
~Blossom15
~Bazinga442
~Xwin
~Deena
~Joseph R. Cord
~Rambotnic
~Dig Bicks
~H8bussesNbicycles
~The-One-Above-All

[LoyceV]

Update:

~BetKing.io
Scammed me out of $700 and left 6 users fake retaliation feedback after I opened a scam accusation.

[LoyceV]

Update:

~griffoninvest
Leaves fake red trust to spam hunters after theymos wiped all yobit signatures.

Yesterday, I created a tool to archive trust ratings, which is what I used.

[LoyceV]

Updated:

~BillyBurns
Shills hard for a scammer, and leaves fake red trust to people who tagged said scammer.

[LoyceV]

Updated:

~Kriptonian1661
Leaves fake red trust.

[Timelord2067]

My distrust list has been paired down considerably since my previous post and now looks like this:

Code:

~asche
~BenTheAnonMod
~bill gator
~BitcoinSupremo
~Bleutrade
~cryptohunter
~Cyrus
~defcon23
~EcuaMobi
~El-Cezeri
~erikalui
~Erkallys
~exstasie
~Gleb Gamow
~gospodin
~Hhampuz
~hilarious*
~hilariousandco
~hilariousetc
~Kalemder
~kano
~Lafu
~Lauda
~logictense
~marlboroza
~mexxer-2
~monbux
~peloso
~PHI1618
~Phinnaeus Gage
~Quickseller
~The-One-Above-All
~Tomatocage
~Vispilio
~VonSpass
~YuTü.Co.in
~Zeroxal
~Zin-Zang

All the rest that were removed are mostly inactive alts or, have little or no merits.  Let that one sink in for a moment...

The new additions appear to be part of an attempt to get an unknown user into the DT1 with Vispilio on 250+ merits after begging for merits he then didn't hand out but did give dozens of merits out in bulk to El-Cezeri, Kalemder, PHI1618 and gospodin which makes up half of the ten needed for an unknown user to be voted into DT1 similar to the 550+ merits wasted trying to get someone onto DT1 a few weeks back.

[Vispilio]

The new additions appear to be part of an attempt to get an unknown user into the DT1 with Vispilio on 250+ merits after begging for merits he then didn't hand out but did give dozens of merits out in bulk to El-Cezeri, Kalemder, PHI1618 and gospodin

I did not beg for merits; I applied to become a merit source following the recommended forum procedure, for very specific reasons that are clearly beyond your intellectual capabilities to figure out.

The disgusting hateful way you typically construct your messages should instantly disqualify you from any trust list as a dishonorable human being @Timelord2067, but I will respond one final time for the benefit of valuable and intellectual members of this forum who might be reading.

I give merits to El-Cezeri, Kalemder & gospodin because these are some of the most active and helpful members on the Turkish forums.

I asked Kalemder & El-Cezeri "are you the same person", they said no, but that they were related and shared the same house, even the same PC sometimes (actual quotes for this are all available on the Turkish section and in my post history).

Are they the same guy? I don't know I did not investigate them like a detective. What I do know is both of them come up with an extra-ordinary number of high quality posts which most people on the Turkish section love and engage with, but I still merit them 50% of what they would otherwise get from me in the name of fairness and equal opportunity to all local participants.

PHI1618 on the other hand  is a special case; as a matter of fact I'm the guy who disclosed the giant merit circle jerking that went on for about a year in the Turkish forums led by PHI1618, and ever since I found out about it with good evidence, I have not given him a single merit, and will not do so out of my general principles of justice and meritocracy.



a special appeal to @theymos and other honorable DT1 members:

this guy @Timelord2067 pursues a provably false medieval inquisition against the Turkish section day and night now, raises lies and false accusations about me in multiple parts of the forum, and I hope you will agree with me that it's a total waste of time to have to humor every amount of unbelievable deranged lunacy this guy serves on a daily basis to protect one's reputation on a respectable forum like this,

so I ask you what is the procedure in the forum against psychos like this, so they finally understand they fucked up and take their insane ideas elsewhere ?..




Special Edit upon LoyceV's request

I'm excluding user @Timelord2067 from all of my past, present and future lists, and I want to make it crystal clear that it's not based on retaliation, but based on the very tangible observation that this guy brings a level of crazy to the game that one wouldn't expect to encounter even in Turkish state asylums for the clinically insane...

[Timelord2067]

Archived for future reference...

...

Kind of creepy how you're stalking me in threads you have never posted in before.

Never the less, I look forward to @theymos reviewing my evidence and making a determination.

(With apologies to @LoyceV for the intrusion by this person into your thread)

[LoyceV]

Please stay on-topic in my thread

[LoyceV]

Bump with a new exclusion:

Currently excluded
~Blazr
This user's feedback is for sale, the account might be compromised.

[LoyceV]

Another update:

Reference post: Why have I excluded members on my trust list?
~Vadi2323
This guy gave yahoo62278 red feedback because of his personal vendetta against another user. See Reference post.

[LoyceV]

I've always tried to be very conservative when leaving feedback and when including/excluding users from my Trust list.
Today, I made my first DT1-exclusion:

Currently excluded
~wolwoo
1. In one week, this DT1-member added 24 users to his Trust list. Most of those users never left any feedback and don't have a custom Trust list. Therefore, they don't belong on DT2, and the user who adds them doesn't belong on DT1.
2. 4 months ago, this user left positive feedback to 16 users, all without reference link. The only thing they seem to have in common is their nationality, just like the users on his Trust list. That shouldn't be a reason to give them positive feedback and/or DT2-powers.
3. This user leaves retaliation feedback.

For the above reasons, I ask all other users to consider excluding ~wolwoo too.

As a reference: this is what I consider correct use of the Trust system: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.

I've deleted wolwoo's off-topic posts. This topic isn't meant to just post a Trust list. Wolwoo is welcome to post again if he can add his reasons for the exclusions:

Share yours
I encourage everyone to keep track of the reasons behind their own exclusions too.
I don't think it's helpful to create many topics on this, feel free to use 1 post here for yours (including reasons), and I'll link it from the next post.

I can't wait to see "retaliation" as a reason instead of valid thoughtful reasons that are worthy of being on DT.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Peloso has contacted me twice in the past couple of weeks regarding removal of my exclusion, and I honestly don't even remember why I have him excluded.  The same could be said about some other members I have as inclusions or exclusions, and it's basically my absentmindedness flaring up.  I did have a look at his feedback, however, and I'm pretty sure my exclusion is justified.  I'll have to take a closer look, but not now.  My eyes and mind are fatigued.

~The Pharmacist

Gee, I was just going to comment that I was excluding you from my trust list as well when i noticed that you'd posted that.  Reason: you're quite obviously mentally unstable and if you were ever to stay on any level of DT, it would be a disgrace to the system.  My exclusion of you might not have a powerful effect, but it's one that I can comfortably live with.  Bye bye, princess.

[Timelord2067]

Peloso has contacted me twice in the past couple of weeks regarding removal of my exclusion, and I honestly don't even remember why I have him excluded.  

Week 47 Peloso adds 150 UID's to his "I trust" list taking their tally to 176.


Week 48 of LoyceV's trust list Peloso added 110 UID's to his "I trust" list taking the tally to 287 (including three who are banned taking that tally to four banned he trusts)

At the same time all three distrusts are removed:

peloso Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. Removed ~Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =5 / -1) (DT1 (-10) 305 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed ~whywefight (Trust: +6 / =4 / -0) (38 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed ~Slow death (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (255 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Week 49 Peloso then removes 22 UID's (including all four banned) taking their trust list back down to 265

At the same time Peloso is hustling The Pharmacist to remove their distrust, Peloso has possably been pressing the flesh elsewhere:

9. Removed owlcatz (Trust: +45 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (24) 242 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. actmyname (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 862 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Removed Slow death (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (255 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Lafu (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 754 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

But has gained one in the process:

15. NEW fzkto (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (170 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

[JollyGood]

Reference post: Why have I excluded members on my trust list?
Since I can't give an explanation or Reference link with my trust list, I'll keep track here.

Currently excluded


~snip~


~wolwoo
1. In one week, this DT1-member added 24 users to his Trust list. Most of those users never left any feedback and don't have a custom Trust list. Therefore, they don't belong on DT2, and the user who adds them doesn't belong on DT1.
2. 4 months ago, this user left positive feedback to 16 users, all without reference link. The only thing they seem to have in common is their nationality, just like the users on his Trust list. That shouldn't be a reason to give them positive feedback and/or DT2-powers.
3. This user leaves retaliation feedback.

Happy New Year to everybody reading this post.

This is an excellent thread, I only came across it just now. I decided to highlight this one particular user from the OP because I made reference to him without mentioning his name yesterday in my rank thread in the section headed "MERIT ABUSERS & FAKE TRUST":

JollyGood: an amazing journey becoming Hero member rank on 1st January 2020

Merit abuse and fake trust are a new tool used by some users to cheat their way to DT status. An associate of the user you mentioned in the OP (wolwoo) who it seems was DT1 and it seems part of their merit abuse racket even sent a PM to another user threatening him with negative Trust if various feedback was not removed. This type of conduct is unacceptable in any walk of life and should never be tolerated in this forum.

No spam
All my threads are now self-moderated to stop signature spam. I will remove all irrelevant posts. If you quote the entire OP, your entry will be deleted.
Once in a while I'll summarize posts and clean up this thread.

Now this is a very good idea Loyce. Maybe going self-moderated in some circumstances is essential.

I started a couple of threads recently and they seem to get flooded by one particular signature campaign which makes payment to participants for every post and I prefer they were excluded from my threads so I will probably have to go down the self-moderated route in future too.

EDIT: I added the name wolwoo to my thread OP JollyGood: an amazing journey becoming Hero member rank on 1st January 2020

[Timelord2067]

I have added Foxpup u=55384 to my distrust list after finding out that he distrusts me on the basis I trust "actmyname" - one of the investigator's in the Known Alts thread - essentially retaliatory distrust of me by him.

24 hours after Foxpup claimed "nothing personal" in DT distrusting me he has now created a FUD thread causing me to gain distrusts - which just goes to show there is cause and effect in all his actions.

*edit* and in related news, I have also added this user (Steamtyme) to my trust list for this gem of wisdom.

[LoyceV]

Update:

Currently excluded
~peloso
A red trusted Merit abuser who's trying a hostile takeover of DT to clear his red trust.
Update December 4, 2019: peloso asked me to reconsider, and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He still has 6 more exclusions to clear before reaching DT.
Update May 6, 2020: peloso abused his DT1 powers to shower one (or more) users with negative feedback, while increasing his own Trust score (Trust selfscratching).

[Timelord2067]

Update:

Currently excluded
~peloso
A red trusted Merit abuser who's trying a hostile takeover of DT to clear his red trust.
Update December 4, 2019: peloso asked me to reconsider, and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He still has 6 more exclusions to clear before reaching DT.
Update May 6, 2020: peloso abused his DT1 powers to shower one (or more) users with negative feedback, while increasing his own Trust score (Trust selfscratching).

Top of this page - Seriously, why throw your arms in the air now when the evidence was before you six months ago?

[JollyGood]

Here is what I just posted in the other thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg54372358#msg54372358

At some stage something needs to be done to tackle this issue but will it be down to theymos or down to DT1 users getting together to remove those that are abusing the system?

[LoyceV]

Wolwoo's fake negative feedback made me look into the DT2-member that left him positive feedback. I've excluded him:
~vycl87

He has included several users who shouldn't be on DT (see Trust list for: vycl87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-05-09_Sat_05.05h)), and left positive feedback for what looks like nationalism on their local board. I don't think this positive feedback to Trust abusers (not all of the receivers) should be on DT.

[JollyGood]

Be careful LoyceV because you stand the risk of being attacked en mass by the mob from the local community board and those that are hanging on to their every post because they are suffering from an attention seeking disorder.

Many are part of the gang but here are some that have scammed their way on to DT at the moment:

   peloso
    Vispilio
    wolwoo
    Blacknavy
    gospodin


They just might play the race card against you and might create thread after thread spreading propaganda against you - beware of the backlash.

Wolwoo's fake negative feedback made me look into the DT2-member that left him positive feedback. I've excluded him:
~vycl87

He has included several users who shouldn't be on DT (see Trust list for: vycl87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-05-09_Sat_05.05h)), and left positive feedback for what looks like nationalism on their local board. I don't think this positive feedback to Trust abusers (not all of the receivers) should be on DT.

[LoyceV]

I thought LoyceV was a good and objective user, but by ignoring the facts, he proved to be one of the sig-gang. Disappointment..

Is this a Turkish thing or something? I've seen it from many different Turkish forum members: they trust my judgement, until I post the smallest thing that doesn't fit their narrative. When that happens, they switch from "included" to "excluded".
Another thing I've noticed is the complete lack of arguments. That's what civilized people do when something comes up: they discuss it. The most vocal part of the Turkish local board instantly starts calling names and pulls the race card, which can only mean they have no arguments. It's also funny that the Turkish themselves made this about their "race" (really, a race based on nationality?), and it's something I haven't seen from any other local board. The rest of the developed world left tribal nationalism a long time ago.

Now, please stay ontopic. You're free to discuss why you're excluded those 134 members.

For deleted posts, see View all unedited (or deleted) posts in Reference topic: Why are these members excluded on trust lists?

[Lauda]

I propose adding this user: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2756407. He is giving fake vouches (trust farming) to wolwoo and Kalemder. Therefore he is actively supporting and involved in all of this.

[suchmoon]

Is this a Turkish thing or something? I've seen it from many different Turkish forum members: they trust my judgement, until I post the smallest thing that doesn't fit their narrative. When that happens, they switch from "included" to "excluded".

LOL. This has been going on outside of Switzerland for months, I'm surprised it took so long to get to you. I have excluded probably a couple dozen Turkish users who keep getting into DT1/DT2 despite being utterly unfit for it. BTW Blacknavy is one of the more moderate ones... many of them are like wolwoo and Vispilio - lying shit-stirring demagogues.

[examplens]

Be careful LoyceV because you stand the risk of being attacked en mass by the mob from the local community board and those that are hanging on to their every post because they are suffering from an attention seeking disorder.

Many are part of the gang but here are some that have scammed their way on to DT at the moment:

   peloso
    Vispilio
    wolwoo
    Blacknavy
    gospodin


They just might play the race card against you and might create thread after thread spreading propaganda against you - beware of the backlash.

Wolwoo's fake negative feedback made me look into the DT2-member that left him positive feedback. I've excluded him:
~vycl87

He has included several users who shouldn't be on DT (see Trust list for: vycl87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-05-09_Sat_05.05h)), and left positive feedback for what looks like nationalism on their local board. I don't think this positive feedback to Trust abusers (not all of the receivers) should be on DT.

Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen, I can't believe what all this is turning into. only intrigue and gossip.
Check this: [Right to Respond] Disgusting Bigot LoyceV
self-moderated topic from DragonDance (he is not on your list )

[LoyceV]

Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen

Yep. Some people don't seem to appreciate this topic is made for transparency. I'm willing to explain to anyone why they're excluded, and I'm very curious why some users have excluded me. I've invited them to post it here, but it should be more than "you're racist", lol.

[gospodin]

...PLEASE ADD ME DİSTRUST. 

@theymos @dooglus @gmaxwell @OgNasty @mprep @cyrus @Welsh @ibminer @by rallier @Lydian @LoyceV @DarkStar_ @bobita @Vispilio @wolwoo @TECSHARE @Foxpup @suchmoon and all dt1 members. Please add me. Thank you.

,,

iwrote before(12/2019)
"gospodin bla bla bla" i'm really bored, enough!

[Timelord2067]

Not sure which thread to post this to. Originally I thought of the DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned) - thread, but given it's on topic for the last few days of discussion, I thought I'd added it here.

This makes no sense at all:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131361;dt

The reference used to counter the negative is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg52890824#msg52890824 which is the following investigation:

[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg52890824#msg52890824 date=1572151550]
3 Accounts Connected:

Zz, mhanbostanci, altcoin_trader,

[color=#0a80b1]Proof:[/color]

Wallet [77c8711960] contains just four wallet addresses:

Code:

1mhandh8J4uJx18sHhgeBJWZLKxMnuqGv	0.00022383 	259	549263
19Aw9JN3ypHDrd9AA1LyYJjaTWHHGDhhDP	0.         	83	467408
1GU2gN5s8ZWNjLto7JoMycMNGwpyPtzARr	0.         	33	397713
1JZYPRKap4hTQm9dQQMWhWeivkSo5Y1iUT	0.         	17	420332

[/quote]

Six months and fifteen days later, I read this on the Known Alts thread: (it's the reference given by the negative trust feedback giver) AFAIK it is the first time the accused has responded to the proof I posted in October last.

[quote author=mhanbostanci link=topic=2544574.msg54405620#msg54405620 date=1589160417]
[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg52890824#msg52890824 date=1572151550]
3 Accounts Connected:
...
unfounded claims
...
[/quote]

zz and altcoin_trader are different people I know personally.  This is known in the Turkish forum and it is no secret.
You can query this situation from Turkish users you know.
The negative feedback you provided is unfounded and misleading.
[/quote]

I would like to think that clearly my work is sound if a person can contradict themselves by saying triple check my work and a month later counter someone else by referencing my work as proof of the counter.

??

I feel that the negative feedback given to me and the corresponding "counter" are a part of an (un)civil war being waged by factions within a certain local community.  Their actions are untrustworthy as they are using my reputation as their field of conflict when attacking each-other.


[quote author=LoyceV link=topic=5098623.msg54417735#msg54417735 date=1589303496]
[quote author=examplens link=topic=5098623.msg54417644#msg54417644 date=1589302711]
Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen[/quote]
Yep. Some people don't seem to appreciate this topic is made for transparency. I'm willing to explain to anyone why they're excluded, and I'm very curious why some users have excluded me. I've invited them to post it here, but it should be more than "you're racist", lol.
[/quote]

Well... not quite the first person... (note the merit giver)

[JollyGood]

Sadly the same group of highly questionable members always use that racist allegation as a tool to deflect. It was only a matter of time before they started going after other users. As soon as a comment is made that shows them in a bad light they attack and leave negative trust en mass.

DragonDance quite clearly is part of the merit abuse and fake trust circle group headed by a minority of members from the Turkish language board. I have left appropriate feedback for him - thank you examplens 

And look even low-life members such as hacker1001101001 managed to post propaganda as he is in total cahoots with the army of trolls:

I beg to differ. The only lesson here is that nationalism doesn't work in a place like this.

BTW LoyceV didn't attack a country or a nation or a race, he commented on the actions of some Turkish users here. In return he was subjected to childish personal attacks. This doesn't help whatever point you're trying to make, it just exposes your inability to handle certain topics.

There is already a race attack going on clearly on Turkish members of the forum and from LoyceV's comments it is pretty clear they are trying to boost the same propaganda. There is more behind the story afterall.

Well done @JollyGood
you foresaw perfectly well what would happen, I can't believe what all this is turning into. only intrigue and gossip.
Check this: [Right to Respond] Disgusting Bigot LoyceV
self-moderated topic from DragonDance (he is not on your list )

[peloso]

Another thing I've noticed is the complete lack of arguments.

arguments ?
you even not want see arguments

arguments was in my case but you ignored it cos its not legit arguments for you
you just want that

many of them are like wolwoo and Vispilio - lying shit-stirring demagogues.

may be like as croatian people you want to say?

Yep. Some people don't seem to appreciate this topic is made for transparency. I'm willing to explain to anyone why they're excluded, and I'm very curious why some users have excluded me. I've invited them to post it here, but it should be more than "you're racist", lol.

i exluded you because you support corruption

[LoyceV]

There is already a race attack going on clearly on Turkish members of the forum and from LoyceV's comments it is pretty clear they are trying to boost the same propaganda. There is more behind the story afterall.

I expected more from hacker1001101001. The only onces making it about "race" (I think they mean nationality) is those Turkish members. They only care for cases that involve Turkish members, and when that happens, they all jump on it. Maybe GazetaBitcoin can add this to his Gangs of BitcoinTalk.

i exluded you because you support corruption

Thanks for being (a bit) on-topic. You're allowed to have (and post) your opinion on this

First:
corruption (definition from Google):

dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.

That's not even an argument, it's just an accusation withoutevidence. Thanks for proving my point.

Second:
You're confused You were the one abusing his power, see:

Someone on DT1 is targeting Lauda. This morning, Lauda was at +33 / =6 / -4, now it's +32 / =6 / -11.
https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx shows that peloso (DT1 strength (2)) has added many users to DT2 today, and several of those have left Lauda negative feedback in the past.

It could be the real target is someone else (or multiple users), but I guess Lauda is the most likely scenario.

Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse.

I'll leave it to the reader to decide who's right. I expect only "the usual suspects" from your own local board to believe your narrative because for some reason they don't dare criticise their fellow citizens.

[peloso]

Thanks for being (a bit) on-topic. You're allowed to have (and post) your opinion on this

First:
corruption (definition from Google):

dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.

That's not even an argument, it's just an accusation withoutevidence. Thanks for proving my point.

Second:
You're confused You were the one abusing his power, see:

Someone on DT1 is targeting Lauda. This morning, Lauda was at +33 / =6 / -4, now it's +32 / =6 / -11.
https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx shows that peloso (DT1 strength (2)) has added many users to DT2 today, and several of those have left Lauda negative feedback in the past.

It could be the real target is someone else (or multiple users), but I guess Lauda is the most likely scenario.

Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse.

I'll leave it to the reader to decide who's right. I expect only "the usual suspects" from your own local board to believe your narrative because for some reason they don't dare criticise their fellow citizens.

thanks loycev to allow me
i know and sure you are not bad man and even good man but a lilibit corruptioneer
and you lie a lilbit )

first as i explaned i not attacked fucking lauda) i just added some people and nothing else
its not my blame that some of they lauda's enemy
also i added some peoples that support lauda but you not want see they
i can understand why you support this corruption attack to  me
i know why suchmoon and other morons support this attack cos they are morons
but you are a fair and wise man for what you need it ?

second
"Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse."
this is not true
because this

He is also adding people to boost his positive score (UserCoin, Mad_Max, aliborn, GAMORA, sashapan) users who previously have given him positive ratings.

why you ask only about this 5 users?
i have other users that gave me positive ratings ( |Admiral| Wananavu99 ancientcoins
UPPEX Thule Kingf1sher villain_Mr.Burns )  why i didnt add they?
why you not ask about yogg, LFC_Bitcoin, The Pharmacist, Lafu, JollyGood and others that distrusted me but they in my trust list WHY ?
LFC_Bitcoin gave me stupid neg but he it my trust list WHY?
so wassup ?

you don’t want to see a mass attack on me but you want to see me a trus abuser

this is a biased attitude and this is not fair

also you can find users that distrusted me last week making vendetta

[suchmoon]

"Peloso has also increased his own positive feedback by adding users who left him positive feedback to DT2 (Trust Selfscratching).
I'd say this is Trust abuse."
this is not true

You're missing the point. You can add anyone to your trust list for any reason. Just man up and accept the fact that some users might see your self-serving actions as harmful to the trust system. You think LoyceV is wrong? Great. I don't think you'll change his mind but feel free to exclude him and tell your friends to do so as well. Which in turn might be seen as a bullshit retaliatory action given that LoyceV is a smart reasonable person, but hey it's your God-given right to be an idiot who thinks they can earn trust via some made-up technicality. Ooh you didn't include some backscratchers, do you want a cookie for that?

i know why suchmoon and other morons support this attack cos they are morons

Either that or people just don't trust you. We'll never know.

[Timelord2o67]

I figure this is the right thread to post this.  

I am distrusting these "mobile alts" from my own mobile alt account as a means to protect these accounts from being used and abused by any hackers.  This is not an indictment on the users (some of whom were on my main alt's distrust list up until today) and does not cover all "known alts", rather, just "mobile alts" of some well known users.  Given this "mobile alt" of mine is not on DT and does not "trust" any user (and has only made a dozen or so trust feedback posts) these "distrusts" hold no weight on their own.

The users are:

Code:

~DarkStar_alt
~DiamondCardzAlt
~dragonvsandroid
~fullypak-alt
~kenzawak_alt
~kenzawak_alt2
~LoyceMobile
~monbuxalt
~pam_alt_
~Philipma1957cellphone
~theymos_away
~V8s Road Warrior

This list may grow over time.

Feel free to distrust my own mobile alt: https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2640757.html

Code:

~Timelord2o67

[LoyceV]

as a means to protect these accounts from being used and abused by any hackers.

Although that's one of the reasons I don't use my normal account on my mobile, I don't think it's very likely a hacker would abuse my mobile account to leave feedback. If it would be compromised, it's more likely to be used to ask for a loan. But I don't mind the exclusion of course

My LoyceBot's security is probably much worse: I use it on a VPS.

[LoyceV]

Bump with a new exclusion:

~Trade Runner
Trust abuse

[LoyceV]

Update:

~ekiller
Trust Selfscratching, he even put a Nuked user on DT2.

[LoyceV]

Update:

~Gyrsur
Leaves fake negative feedback.

This guy has been leaving fake negative feedback to several users. He's currently on DT2, but doesn't belong there:

Trust list for: Gyrsur (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (315 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h)
Back to index

Gyrsur's judgement is Trusted by:
1. willi9974 (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. o_solo_miner (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (239 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. psycodad (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (287 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~Gyrsur's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Removed owlcatz (Trust: +50 / =0 / -1) (419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. DarkStar_ (Trust: +53 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (37) 1476 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. sabotag3x (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (725 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. JollyGood (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (798 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

[suchmoon]

This guy has been leaving fake negative feedback to several users. He's currently on DT2, but doesn't belong there:

Was it your first time? I mean getting DT neg trust. Happens to the best of us

Seriously though, I would suggest ~willi9974 while we're at it.

[LoyceV]

Was it your first time? I mean getting DT neg trust.

Yes, but he's not in my Trust network so I didn't get a heart attack.

Seriously though, I would suggest ~willi9974 while we're at it.

I've seen his name pop up more often, I'll think about it.

[Timelord2067]

Update:

~Gyrsur
Leaves fake negative feedback.

This guy has been leaving fake negative feedback to several users. He's currently on DT2, but doesn't belong there:

New week and they have distrusted seemingly everyone who has recently distrusted them:

(and I'm sure it hasn't gone unnoticed that a certain person has removed their entire trust/distrust lists since being relegated to the second division...)

[LoyceV]

Update:

~Rmcdermott927
Left negative feedback for an opinion, then left the forum. I'll remove my exclusion when they come back and remove the feedback.

I think this one deserves more of an explanation. A week ago, they left this feedback:

The Reference link doesn't provide any evidence for this opinion.

Even if this would be true, it goes directly against what I consider correct use of the Trust system and it's a clear violation of theymos' guidelines:

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

(click the quote for the full text)

On the same day Rmcdermott927 left negative feedback, he posted this:

Leaving the forum until some of the trash is cleaned up, if I ever return, which is unlikely I will sign a message.

Rmcdermott927 was on DT1 with Strength (0), my exclusion removed them from DT1. I will remove my exclusion if they come back and remove the negative feedback for suchmoon's opinion.

It's okay not to like someone! It's not okay to leave negative feedback for it!
To quote myself:

Be the bigger man!
With great power comes great responsibility (source unknown). Especially when you're on DefaultTrust (or if you want to be on DefaultTrust in the future), you shouldn't (ab)use that power by leaving (negative) feedback when someone does something you don't like. Your Sent feedback is what others use to judge your judgement.
If someone on the internet is mean to you: boo fucking hoo! Use the Ignore button, and forget about them.

Update:

~OgNasty
Threatens me by PM to give negative feedback because he doesn't like my post.

I don't consider this correct use of the Trust system, and neither does theymos judging by his quote a bit higher in this post.
I would like to post his PM, but this is generally considered not done so I won't.
Update: OgNasty didn't take long to retaliate, which is quite funny considering he had me included up to 5 days ago. Just like most of his Trust exclusions are mutual. Funny how stating facts makes him not like my judgement.

[LoyceV]

Bump with an update:

~invincible49
Trust abuse (positive and negative).

[airfinex]

1. Hello LoyceV, Can I speak in this thread if the post will not include any FUD, but only arguments?
2. Can you tell me how to add a feedback clipping? I can't add a screenshot so I'm looking for another option to post an example feedback.

[LoyceV]

1. Hello LoyceV, Can I speak in this thread if the post will not include any FUD, but only arguments?

Of course.

2. Can you tell me how to add a feedback clipping? I can't add a screenshot so I'm looking for another option to post an example feedback.

You can embed images once you're Jr. Member. Make 2 more posts and you're there.

[airfinex]

I'm sure that user ~Ratimov is mistakenly in DT1 because:

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

Stupid idiot, troll, son of a bitch, schizophrenic, Idiot with a broken head, this is how the text of the majority of feedback left by Ratimov begins. Ratimov regularly resorts to reciprocal exceptions and feedback abuse. In addition to this, the user left 35 positive reviews with praise, which have nothing to do with real transactions, except for reviews to the BestChange manager.

I believe in LoyceV religion, believe that the Trust System should not be used to indicate that someone is a troll and Idiot, and I believe that the Trust System should not be used as a weapon. This vengeful attitude of Ratimov demonstrates how he really understands the basics of the trust system, demonstrates with what arrogance he really treats the community.

eddie13 expressed his opinion and Ratimov added him to the list of distrust.

3000+ merits for using Google translate eh?
What a great method of distributing DT voting power..

Bunch of DT + trust too for “catching alts and scambusting”
Not a single actual trade...
DT1...
Not even a 2 year old account..

What a fucking joke this system is..

fxpc quoted Ratimov and received an unreasonable red label



I published evidence of plagiarism using Google translator and Ratimov offended me right away.



Ratimov Left Nullius with an insulting feedback.



There are dozens of reviews of this kind!

Marcel, Marie.

[LoyceV]

~

If this is the reason why you've excluded Ratimov, you should add it to your post. That would make it on-topic again

I believe in LoyceV religion

I'm an AI, not a religion.

[airfinex]

I'm an AI, not a religion.

I didn't know that, when then should we expect while you hack a wallet with a million bitcoins? Or are you a first generation artificial intelligence?

[suchmoon]

I'm an AI, not a religion.

I didn't know that, when then should we expect while you hack a wallet with a million bitcoins? Or are you a first generation artificial intelligence?

Even AI can't break the laws of physics.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'm sure that user ~Ratimov is mistakenly in DT1 because:

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

Stupid idiot, troll, son of a bitch, schizophrenic, Idiot with a broken head

He left you a neutral, so it's not as though Ratimov's feedback affects your trust score or your chances to get into a sig campaign (if that's your thing).  I did get your PM after I posted in that other thread about Ratimov being removed from the Chipmixer campaign--you directed me to this thread, but there's nothing new here that I haven't seen before.

DarkStar_ wouldn't have removed Ratimov because of some feedback dispute.  I'll have to check to see if he got a DT neg.  That would be the most obvious explanation.

[airfinex]

He left you a neutral, so it's not as though Ratimov's feedback affects your trust score or your chances to get into a sig campaign (if that's your thing).  I did get your PM after I posted in that other thread about Ratimov being removed from the Chipmixer campaign--you directed me to this thread, but there's nothing new here that I haven't seen before.

Why do you constantly mention that I sent you PM?, second time. I showed you the big picture and you were only hooked on the neutral tag.

I recently read a fairly large thread in which you spoke negatively about leaving frivolous feedback, but in this situation, everyone, including you, is silent. Even LoyceV said that he would watch the situation, and if Ratimov's position falls, he will exclude him. It looks like everyone can only talk, but no one but suchmoon wants to take the first step by clearly showing how to defend their beliefs.

I don't want to judge anyone, but sometimes it seems to me that people are afraid to do the right thing, as Ratimov can do to them as he did to eddie13.

Marcel, Marie.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Why do you constantly mention that I sent you PM?, second time. I showed you the big picture and you were only hooked on the neutral tag.

Better question: Why do you keep sending me PMs about this shit?  

FYI, I haven't been keeping up on all the forum drama, including whatever is going on with Ratimov.  I know he was accused of plagiarism, but from what I read it seems like he did cite his sources and the mods didn't ban him.  If there's feedback abuse going on with him, I must have missed it--but from my perspective it looks like you're hopping mad because of the neutral feedback he left you.  

What else is there?  Maybe suchmoon can give me a TL;DR for my piss-poor cerebral cortex to process if you're not up to it.

I don't want to judge anyone, but sometimes it seems to me that people are afraid to do the right thing, as Ratimov can do to them as he did to eddie13.

I don't think I've ever been accused of being afraid to do the right thing on this forum, unless it was to get involved with a member-to-member beef that I didn't have complete information about.  So please, educate me on what you think the right thing to do would be for a DT member with respect to Ratimov.

[suchmoon]

What else is there?  Maybe suchmoon can give me a TL;DR for my piss-poor cerebral cortex to process if you're not up to it.

Pissing (poorly) on the cerebral cortex might be the issue

Seriously though I don't really have a good tl;dr, since I'm not entirely sure what's going on. Ratimov seems to have a lot of "enemies", including korner's farm and a bunch of other assholes who doxed him and that's disgusting. He's not a scammer as far as I know. I disagree with his use of trust system for petty and/or personal stuff so I've had him excluded in my trust list since forever.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

He's not a scammer as far as I know. I disagree with his use of trust system for petty and/or personal stuff so I've had him excluded in my trust list since forever.

Well I took a look at the trust he's left (at least the feedbacks written in English), and there's nothing worse in there than anything Lauda had given.  I see Ratimov has tagged a lot of account sellers and didn't seem to be giving out negs for frivolous reasons, though he tagged some members as being alts and I don't know if they're alts of scammers or what.  A lot of his negative feedbacks were worded very strongly, but I don't see that as a big deal. 

And yet the fact remains that Ratimov got removed from the Chipmixer campaign, so something must have happened.  I thought he might have gotten a DT neg, but that isn't the case.  Last I checked there was nothing about it in the Chipmixer thread.

[airfinex]

Well I took a look at the trust he's left (at least the feedbacks written in English), and there's nothing worse in there than anything Lauda had given.  I see Ratimov has tagged a lot of account sellers and didn't seem to be giving out negs for frivolous reasons, though he tagged some members as being alts and I don't know if they're alts of scammers or what.  A lot of his negative feedbacks were worded very strongly, but I don't see that as a big deal.  

Feedback means nothing under proof. And all the links left by Ratimov in Russian, have you read them? If not how can you then say that the feedback left by him is justified. You trust suchmoon opinion and he understands Russian like    Royse777 too. Formally, this means that you can trust their opinion regarding exceptions.

To convince you, you can choose any feedback left by him and I will translate the evidence for you and suchmoon will certify their authenticity.

And yet the fact remains that Ratimov got removed from the Chipmixer campaign, so something must have happened.  I thought he might have gotten a DT neg, but that isn't the case.  Last I checked there was nothing about it in the Chipmixer thread.

Darkstar is very tolerant so he will not disclose the reason. But you should have guessed anyway, he even condescendingly reacted to the fact that Ratimov created the FUD regarding the alleged national injustice.

I haven't looked at the feedback legendster has left for others, but I will after this post and if it looks like he's left a bunch of retaliatory feedback I'll exclude him from my trust list (not that it'll do much good, as I'm only on DT2 right now).  I know he's a volatile personality, almost like TECSHARE was, so it wouldn't surprise me if he is misusing the trust system--but I'm not saying he is, because I haven't looked for myself.

Could you explain the difference between the fact that you excluded legendster and the fact that you do not see abuse in Ratimov's actions? If it's not difficult for you, then answer.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Seriously though I don't really have a good tl;dr, since I'm not entirely sure what's going on. Ratimov seems to have a lot of "enemies", including korner's farm and a bunch of other assholes who doxed him and that's disgusting.

Huh, wait... WHAT? Oo

Who doxxed him? And where? I may have been a bit busy last days and didn't see all that happened around, but I thought I got myself up to date, Ratimov's exclusion from millionaires' billionaires' gang being the latest news. Then I see this. Did something like this really happened? If so, that's disgusting indeed... I knew he had many enemies, but I did not ever think it could end up in anything like this. OK, may him be a plagiarist or not; may him be a DT1 with good use of the system or not; may him be... whatever else... but why doxx him though...?

I looked in the Investigation board, which is the only board where revealing personal information is permitted, but I did not see any topic about him... Therefore I believe the doxxing took course on a prohibited area of the forum, which is even worse, as anyone can see it... I did not interact with him too much, but I never saw him offering personal information, so this is a wonder for me... how it could happen. And, most important, why... You may not like someone, but why harm him that way...?

[OgNasty]

LoyceV,
Being fair, I think you’re a weasel who supports the worst of the worst on this forum because you’re a trust manipulating coward. People like you who have had next to no real trustworthy interactions here shouldn’t even be in DT, let alone one desperately seeking control by adding mentally deranged users to their network that actively harass others here. You and suchmoon are just as scummy as Vod in my opinion, only you do so in the shadows. That’s why I excluded you from my network.

[suchmoon]

Who doxxed him? And where?

This was a while ago on the Russian board, and the rationale (if you can call it that) was that his opsec was shit so it's fair game. I'm not sure who originally did it - korner would be my guess - but as far as I know there wasn't even a remotely plausible reason for it.

[LoyceV]

~

That's cute, you're trying to insult me with this:

(source)

Did you not read my personal text?

It's okay you don't like me. Really, it's okay. But you're posting in the wrong topic, try this one. It would also be nice if you stick to just one topic, I wouldn't want to end up like your feud with Vod, but you seem to enjoy attacking my reputation in many topics for months now. It's a cheap trick though, you know I won't respond to your off-topic allegations in other topics, so you're hoping some of it will stick.
What was it again you threatened me with by PM? Something about feeling insulted (by facts!) and threatening with negative feedback for your hurt feelings? Shortly after, you were excluded from DT.

People like you who have had next to no real trustworthy interactions here shouldn’t even be in DT

This is gold, coming from the person who put me on DT when DT1 was still centralized. You must miss those times.
For the record: you've never been on my Trust list.

I didn't delete your rant because this part is on-topic. Incorrect, but on-topic:

You and suchmoon are just as scummy as Vod in my opinion, only you do so in the shadows. That’s why I excluded you from my network.

In reality, you removed me from your Trust list because I didn't support you in your feud with Vod, and you excluded me in retaliation for my exclusion. Let me quote myself on this:

~OgNasty
Threatens me by PM to give negative feedback because he doesn't like my post.

I don't consider this correct use of the Trust system, and neither does theymos judging by his quote a bit higher in this post.
I would like to post his PM, but this is generally considered not done so I won't.
Update: OgNasty didn't take long to retaliate, which is quite funny considering he had me included up to 5 days ago. Just like most of his Trust exclusions are mutual. Funny how stating facts makes him not like my judgement.

The users excluding me aren't really Bitcointalk's crème de la crème anyway:

Trust list for: LoyceV (Trust: +31 / =1 / -0) (6570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2021-03-06_Sat_04.07h)

~LoyceV's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. OgNasty (Trust: +87 / =3 / -6) (DT1! (0) 1164 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Gyrsur (Trust: +1 / =3 / -0) (434 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. peloso (Trust: +2 / =3 / -4) (DT1 (-18) 181 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. cryptohunter (Trust: +1 / =2 / -3) (167 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. funchiestz (Trust: #  +0 / =0 / -8) (92 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. bamb (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. Thule (Trust: +0 / =2 / -10) (25 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. Vadi2323 (Trust: +1 / =3 / -1) (173 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. ekiller (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (461 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. endlasuresh (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (3 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. wolwoo (Trust: +0 / =3 / -3) (DT1 (-14) 657 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Bazinga442 (Trust: +0 / =0 / -6) (24 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. tokneneng (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. argio (Trust: +0 / =2 / -3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. Trade Runner (Trust: +0 / =1 / -1) (48 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. H8bussesNbicycles (Trust: +0 / =1 / -10) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. ito-marketing (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. gwsukabokepjepang (Trust: +0 / =0 / -9) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. humanrights Banned! (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. villain_Mr.Burns (Trust: +0 / =1 / -2) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. smartcontracts100 (Trust: +0 / =1 / -5) (5 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

Thanks for posting your reasoning behind excluding users, I've added you to the list:

Reserved for links to posts from other users

Timelord2067
mdayonliner
coinlocket$
Timelord2o67
OgNasty

Please elaborate on your reasoning behind the rest of the 61 users you've excluded. I would especially like to hear about mutual exclusions.

[ScumBuster]

You lied again. These words contain only 27-30 tags, and I left more than 600 tags.

Admits to using trust 30 times just for pathetic insults. What a stupid child. Remove from DT now.

I do not trust the judgments of such a person who is not responsible for his words and spreads such false information.

Then you do not trust the judgements of yourself who spreads false information on trust walls about people being raped. Remove from DT now.

The tag was given for the fact that he began to spread information in different sections that I make money on the forum in corruption schemes. Of course, no proofs were presented

You made money by plagiarizing. Proofs - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5297144. Very corrupt thing to do. Leaving fake red trust for being called out about it is even more corrupt. Remove from DT now.

Bratty child having tantrum

It is not 2012, no one cares what you think any more. You are old has been.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I don't understand this kid-kid things LOL
How old are you Ratimov?

Happy $60k everyone!!

Happy $60k!!!
Looking forward to $100k soon?

[savetheFORUM]

Ratimov typing so much without signature breaks my heart. Someone give this man a signature campaign. It takes serious effort to first phrase in Russian or any native language, then translate into English and match the speed against a native English speaker.

Getting back to the topic, I have ~Legendster to my trust setting and I promise to remove him from there, although it doesn't matter, once he improves his attitude.

[LoyceV]

What happened to my beautiful topic?

[suchmoon]

What happened to my beautiful topic?

You know you can use the "Beautify" (AKA "delete") button, right?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

It is a pity, we all sincerely regret that BitcoinGirl.Club does not understand something there.

We? Mind giving the list?

Go to my profile, it says.  

You think you are having fun here?

I am sorry to say that I see frustration inside you. There are two ways to seek attention. One is putting negativity and another is being a positive mind. You are seeking attention by doing the first one lately which is not good for you. And if you continue such one day you will feel all doors are closed for you and you will leave the place. We have seen users with the same behaves and all of the ending are same.

You are attacking old time users here, telling them kids as if you are someone intellectual and giving years of time to the community and for bitcoin. It's a long road to earn it. This community does not owe you anything. At least looking at your time in the forum (since June 13, 2019) you are still truly a child my friend. And if you really think your profile is reflecting your age (which is of course not) then know that I have a young girl who is older than you and I am giving her a very well mannered life. You need to learn manners.

eddie13 and us WO users and also the old timers are here from ages and giving our bloods and sweats taking care of this community. We are with bitcoin at its good time, we are with bitcoin at its bad time. At least our long standing on the forum proves it. Stay here for next few years then earn it to call users "Kid" but still that will not earn you to insult users.

Edit:
Quoting

Looking forward to $100k soon?

Discussion of the price of bitcoin in the topic of reputation? This is of course trash. Guys, you have no place to discuss this anymore, or were you kicked out of other topics? 

Especially for eddie13 and BitcoinGirl.Club I will leave the topic name at the bottom, all of a sudden the guys forgot. 

Why are these members excluded on trust lists?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

blah-blah-blah

That's enough. There is no point to write you anything. I would like to see how long you stay around with this shit mindset. In fact, I am certain that without having a signature campaign or a way of earning any money from this forum you will last the next one year. Today is 14th March 2021.


Conversation reference : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098623.msg56564234#msg56564234

With connection, which tariff did you choose? What the hell are you talking about? To draw attention? Whose? Your? Or eddie13? You write this to me, not I to you. I just answer you.

If you use your logic, it means that you were looking for attention, so that I turned my attention to you. Is that how it turns out? Or you have selective blindness and you see only what you want.

So let's do some research. How many times eddie tried to get attention before yesterday before I answered him. Can you count? Then count it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5297144.msg56464147#msg56464147
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5297144.msg56468340#msg56468340
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5317072.msg56506966#msg56506966
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5303363.msg56506969#msg56506969

You talk about that kind of shit trying to hide behind your registration date. Let me tell you a terrible secret, the fact that you have been registered here for a long time does not in any way negate the fact that you can be an idiot. So don't try to hide him and yourself behind these registration dates.

Those users who are really busy with useful things here will never write this bravado in style: you know how long I have been on the forum, and you are so much, but I know how much I have done here.

You are an ordinary poser.

Apparently here some kind of diagnosis is observed with the same development of events:

- the user writes to me
- I reply to the user
- the user claims that I am trying to attract attention by attacking him.

Thank you, I laughed at your naive arguments. 

Full archive to see the comments made by the user: https://archive.ph/wip/EAv7w

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

You have a typical bounty boy mindset who primarily looks at everything through the lens of money.

Boy you are so mistaken and it's not my job to correct you.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Trust is not the place where you need to leave your bets on some event. Will or will not go away. ; D

Sorry to know your ignorance.
I am not interested to go further with your ignorant kid zone but I can not help to know who else are with you? What did you mean with we?

It is a pity, we all sincerely regret that BitcoinGirl.Club does not understand something there.

We? Mind giving the list?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Loyce.. Feel free to wipe all this after a while..
My name was just mentioned here so many times I kinda had to reply..

Damn it!
I forgot that this is another of LoyceV's self moderated thread where off topics will be deleted 😛

Hey Loyce, Brother, although the conversation does not strike me off topic however you are the sailor of this topic so feel free if this seems off to you. However, I hope you find this argument the reason of distrusting someone not having a sense of proper judgement 😉

[DireWolfM14]

Wow, what a clusterfuck of a thread this has become!  

Public Service Announcement:  Everyone engaging in, and contributing to personal squabbles in this thread; you're not helping the situation.  If this were my thread I would delete every post made since March 3rd.

[eddie13]

That is, I earned a rating for scam buster, activity on the forum. And eddie13 thinks these are shit ratings. Now let's see who eddie13 trusts:

Shit ratings yup..

I like them for other reasons..

[Little Mouse]

That is, I earned a rating for scam buster, activity on the forum. And eddie13 thinks these are shit ratings.

According to my custom trust list, I can see three positive feedback where one feedback is in Russian text. I didn’t check with google translator as automated translation can be terrible and my judgement on that feedback may go wrong. So, I'm sharing the views on the rest two feedback.

First one says, "You are the first to receive 2000 merits as Russian"
2nd says, "You are useful user as you write good stuff."

Now, come to the point of what positive feedback means. This is what written in the feedback sending page-

You think that this person is unlikely to scam anyone.

Let's break it down. According to your feedback, you are unlikely to scam. But, did you ever trade here? Do both the feedback includes any trading activities? Did you risk any financial thing? Nothing, right. Then, how can these two feedback represent you as you are unlikely to scam? Don't you think these two feedbacks are wrong according to the definition of the positive feedback?
In the past, there were users who scam huge money with such feedback. See theyoungmillionaire case. He got exactly the same feedback like you, got trusted by others and scammed 0.30 BTC I think.
I'm not saying you are going to scam, or I'm not saying it’s your fault but you feedbacks doesn’t worth in my opinion also.

@LoyceV, sorry. I think this discussion is off topic here and also my post is.

[eddie13]

I like CM just fine.. Actually I align with their mission very well..
That thread, if you would have read it, was about ChipMixer posters having contrary positions to that of what they advertise for..

Rest of you post is also nonsense.. Gaslighting..

[savetheFORUM]

That is, I earned a rating for scam buster, activity on the forum. And eddie13 thinks these are shit ratings. Now let's see who eddie13 trusts:

You started this shit on other topics, and now you are not able to answer for your words.

You really think the rating from Bitcoingirl is positive? Your translator stopped working, fix it.

[LoyceV]

You know you can use the "Beautify" (AKA "delete") button, right?

Hey Loyce, Brother, although the conversation does not strike me off topic however you are the sailor of this topic so feel free if this seems off to you. However, I hope you find this argument the reason of distrusting someone not having a sense of proper judgement 😉

If this were my thread I would delete every post made since March 3rd.

I am/was way too busy this weekend to even read all posts completely. So I'll let it play out for a while, and when I have a lot of time (and popcorn) to spare, I'll read everything (with my finger itching above the delete button).

Once in a while I'll summarize posts and clean up this thread.

This whole topic can be reduced to about 8 posts

[airfinex]

I don't trust Ratimov because:

1. There is no more egregious case of text-spinning with the help of Google translator than the case of Ratimov.

—if Ratimov did not deny in principle, that publishing something in the form in which he publishes it is a bad example.
—if Ratimov had not chosen to reply with an ad hominem attack against an accusation brought with evidence.

2. Constantly demonstrates extremely arrogant and devil-may-care attitude towards the community, he deleted posts but there is an archive.

Thanks to RapTarX, suchmoon, icopress, The Pharmacist, Poker Player for constructive answers ON THEME. The rest of the speculation and blah blah are not interesting to me.

3. Ratimov is an inveterate liar who publishes deliberately false facts.

Ratimov: More than 8 months have passed between these cases, where is the connection? Your saying would be true if I created a topic about airfinex a few days after he accused me.
The Pharmacist: The timing says it all, IMO, and I'm talking about the timing between airfinex's post here and the creation of this thread.
LoyceV: Just last week, airfinex posted in "~", which you responded to several times. The 8 months are irrelevant, you posted this just half an hour before you created this topic:

4. Ratimov regularly resorts to mutual exclusion on the basis of revenge, eddie13, DireWolfM14 expressed his opinion and he added him to the list of distrust.

3000+ merits for using Google translate eh? What a great method of distributing DT voting power ..

To me this looks like a blatant attempt to attack some one who called you out.  I know you've developed a few supporters here, but I suspect that they too will cease their support if you keep making these obvious retaliatory attacks.  Deflection and "What-About-ism" doesn't absolve you of your sins.

5. Using feedback as a weapon, Ratimov clearly shows how far he is from understanding the foundations of the trust system.

Stop trying to discredit those who allege that you're a plagiarist.

The most delusional thing that can be said about this. What does this have to do with it?

I got the same impression. The feedback you left airfinex doesn't help either: this looks more like a personal attack than anything based on facts:
When I read feedback like this, it makes whoever wrote it look bad, not whoever received it.

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As for his accusation, if I wanted some kind of revenge, I would put him a negative trust.

That would be very obvious Trust abuse.
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You are incapable of defending yourself, which is why you attack those who accuse you of plagiarism.Stop deflecting, address your problems head on.  It's the only way to resolve them.

To me it seems like a weakness to try to defame the person who made some valid arguments. I still think the plagiarism rules should be adjusted, this shouldn't be allowed (see my reasons why). Big surprise: the guy who first posted about Ratimov's plagiarism received negative feedback the next day:



I can't help but think Ratimov was angry when he tagged those users. Here's another "brain-dead fucker". I don't know why Ratimov left them negative feedback in English, because I can't read the Russian Reference links. I see one very strong connection though: they've criticized Ratimov, so he tags them. And then you wonder why people use alt accounts? Allow me to quote myself:

Be the bigger man!With great power comes great responsibility (source unknown). Especially when you're on DefaultTrust (or if you want to be on DefaultTrust in the future), you shouldn't (ab)use that power by leaving (negative) feedback when someone does something you don't like. Your Sent feedback is what others use to judge your judgement.If someone on the internet is mean to you: boo fucking hoo! Use the Ignore button, and forget about them.

[suchmoon]

That would be very obvious Trust abuse.
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You are incapable of defending yourself, which is why you attack those who accuse you of plagiarism.Stop deflecting, address your problems head on.  It's the only way to resolve them.

To me it seems like a weakness to try to defame the person who made some valid arguments. I still think the plagiarism rules should be adjusted, this shouldn't be allowed (see my reasons why). Big surprise: the guy who first posted about Ratimov's plagiarism received negative feedback the next day:



I can't help but think Ratimov was angry when he tagged those users. Here's another "brain-dead fucker". I don't know why Ratimov left them negative feedback in English, because I can't read the Russian Reference links. I see one very strong connection though: they've criticized Ratimov, so he tags them. And then you wonder why people use alt accounts? Allow me to quote myself:

Be the bigger man!With great power comes great responsibility (source unknown). Especially when you're on DefaultTrust (or if you want to be on DefaultTrust in the future), you shouldn't (ab)use that power by leaving (negative) feedback when someone does something you don't like. Your Sent feedback is what others use to judge your judgement.If someone on the internet is mean to you: boo fucking hoo! Use the Ignore button, and forget about them.

Fix your fucking quote before you get banned for plagiarism. It would be immensely amusing but I'm really tired of this sockpuppeting shit-stiring drama.

[airfinex]

Fix your fucking quote before you get banned for plagiarism. It would be immensely amusing but I'm really tired of this sockpuppeting shit-stiring drama.

Thanks for pointing that out, I really did accidentally make a mistake.

[airfinex]

A lot of time has passed, but none of the DT paid attention to my arguments.

I am sure that if these arguments were published by someone from DT, then exactly the same post would have attracted public attention.

[Timelord2067]

I am sure that if these arguments were published by someone from DT, then exactly the same post would have attracted public attention.

Perhaps if you didn't keep deleting your prior posts (and from what I can tell, that doesn't include merited posts), then readers might feel inclined to sit up and take more notice of your ramblings (which is all they seem to be thus far).  Others have already suggested you stop, yet you don't.

[airfinex]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Timelord2067, on this forum, messages are deleted not only on personal initiative. I don't want to get personal, but if you were a little smarter, then you would not be saying stupid things, then maybe those around you would stop considering you an idiot.

And few people care about your preconceived opinion, since you do not see the obvious facts, and I think this is the reason why you were kicked out of the DT.

[LoyceV]

none of the DT paid attention to my arguments.

I read it, but this isn't the right topic to discuss specific users. I don't mind some discussion, but in this case you have another topic already. This is a Reference topic (which kinda failed I might add: barely anyone explained why they exclude users).

[LoyceV]

Bump with an update that will also count as my Reference link for neutral feedback:

~Timelord2067
I've hesitated to exclude this user for a long time. That moment has arrived: he's too stubborn to admit he was wrong leaving negative feedback to 2 users while he was on DT2. Even after locking his topic and adding neutral feedback (with the same incorrect claims) he hasn't removed his negative feedback. It's unfortunate he removes the importance of all his good ratings by leaving ratings that are objectively incorrect.