TMAN abuses DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future

[Findingnemo]

Irrespective of how many feedback they do to distinct user in a month, their max score for a month will be 1 and it will take them minimum 10 month to be eligible for DT and community will also able to see their judgement before voting them for DT.

Unfortunately the DT algorithm doesn't work like that,theymos having some criteria to select the DT1 members and the people who are trusted by DT1 will become DT2 and those two level of DT members can give feedback which will start to appear on the trust score of any profile.

I winder why we need DT2 level of feedback when anyone can become DT1,so just remove DT2 list and keeping DT1 alone for default trust will make the system more trusted and stable.

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[Quickseller]

I initially thought the quote from theymos was faked, but upon investigation it is not. Lol.

The problem with the new trust system is that you do not need to be viewed as trustworthy by anyone that matters in order to get on DT1. This means several people with a little bit of power, such as those TMAN is close with/to, can effectively control who is on DT1, both adding people and excluding people.

I am not a fan of the new DT system however, TMAN and his clique should all be blacklisted from being on DT1, as most of them engage in behavior consistent with organized crime, and best case they are very shady. They often leave many contentious ratings and have done so without consequences.

[cryptohunter]

TMAN is just doing his job, and I don’t think there’s an abuse on his power. If you feel bad about what you get, then prove to him that you’re innocent, but.....

These says it all, same day and almost same comments there might be no abuse but you must go with the process and don’t make any move that can make the situation worst.

He has admitted giving red trust for posting facts

What part of that can not penetrate your thick skull?

Is there something wrong with you?

Next you will say lauda is not a proven liar.

Shut up repeating nonsense over and over.

[TheNewAnon135246]

I initially thought the quote from theymos was faked, but upon investigation it is not. Lol.

The problem with the new trust system is that you do not need to be viewed as trustworthy by anyone that matters in order to get on DT1. This means several people with a little bit of power, such as those TMAN is close with/to, can effectively control who is on DT1, both adding people and excluding people.

I am not a fan of the new DT system however, TMAN and his clique should all be blacklisted from being on DT1, as most of them engage in behavior consistent with organized crime, and best case they are very shady. They often leave many contentious ratings and have done so without consequences.

Got any proof to back up allegations like that?

[cryptohunter]

I initially thought the quote from theymos was faked, but upon investigation it is not. Lol.

The problem with the new trust system is that you do not need to be viewed as trustworthy by anyone that matters in order to get on DT1. This means several people with a little bit of power, such as those TMAN is close with/to, can effectively control who is on DT1, both adding people and excluding people.

I am not a fan of the new DT system however, TMAN and his clique should all be blacklisted from being on DT1, as most of them engage in behavior consistent with organized crime, and best case they are very shady. They often leave many contentious ratings and have done so without consequences.

Got any proof to back up allegations like that?

Well I have proof they lie and proof they abuse the trust system

So in full knowledge of that you can see the links in my sig do not suggest these people are suitable for DT

[SmartPayMINT]

Tman and lauda posted a negative review at the same time which leads us to believe they are the same person or are connected and having read laudas previous extortion attempt explains what cunning games they play.

[cryptohunter]

Tman and lauda posted a negative review at the same time which leads us to believe they are the same person or are connected and having read laudas previous extortion attempt explains what cunning games they play.

Tman left me trust abuse for providing facts about laudas trust abuse and the fact lauda is a proven liar.

They are implicated in the same extortion scheme

Tman kisses laudas ass and does what he is told when he is told.

Most DT here are either part of the gang or scared of the gang so don't expect any help from them.

Expect more asskissers to this gang recruited because their stamp of approval is now required to get on DT

[bones261]

Tman and lauda posted a negative review at the same time which leads us to believe they are the same person or are connected and having read laudas previous extortion attempt explains what cunning games they play.

Can you explain all of the other negative reviews and how they should be dismissed? There appears to be quite a few. I doubt they are all sockpuppets of Lauda.  I see even Ognasty has chimed in with a recent negative trust rating for different reasons. (Although it appears in untrusted  feedback at the moment.)

[Flash Cunt]

The ring does not demand anilingus ( whoops, is that a gay joke)

[bones261]

The ring does not demand anilingus ( whoops, is that a gay joke)

Are you referring to my rave review from Cluster2k?
Warning, some reference links to other reviews are NSFW.

[DabLjat]

...not to mention that they already have other DT2 members among them so there is no lack of scam busting power or whatever they're looking for regarding DT.

So, I myself to search for Russian in section DT2? Are you not ready to answer for your words?

Apparently tomorrow will have to do a new topic with a comparative analysis of the number of Russian users on the forum, number of posts in the Russian local Board and the number of Russian users at lists DT1 and DT2.

[bill gator]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but to summarize: You believe TMAN is abusing DT for excluding people he believes are abusing DT?

[TMAN]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but to summarize: You believe TMAN is abusing DT for excluding people he believes are abusing DT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc

[DabLjat]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but to summarize: You believe TMAN is abusing DT for excluding people he believes are abusing DT?

He being a member of the list DT1 publicly encouraged other list members to remove all honored users of Russian local boards are not having any good reason. The result of his actions is presented in my 1 post.

If you think this behavior is normal for a DT1 member, I don't think so.

[Lauda]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but to summarize: You believe TMAN is abusing DT for excluding people he believes are abusing DT?

He being a member of the list DT1 publicly encouraged other list members to remove all honored users of Russian local boards are not having any good reason. The result of his actions is presented in my 1 post.
If you think this behavior is normal for a DT1 member, I don't think so.

You thinking that something is not a good reason =/= something actually not being a good reason.

[DabLjat]

You thinking that something is not a good reason =/= something actually not being a good reason.

The charge of abusing the trust system is a very serious one. There is such a thing as a proof.

Are you ready to cite abuse proofs for each user included in this list? If you are not ready - it's pointless conversation.

[suchmoon]

...not to mention that they already have other DT2 members among them so there is no lack of scam busting power or whatever they're looking for regarding DT.

So, I myself to search for Russian in section DT2? Are you not ready to answer for your words?

Apparently tomorrow will have to do a new topic with a comparative analysis of the number of Russian users on the forum, number of posts in the Russian local Board and the number of Russian users at lists DT1 and DT2.

What does this have to do with the number of posts or users? Trust system should be based on users whose judgement can be trusted. It doesn't make any sense to link that to user counts or post counts. It often takes years for one to earn such trust.

By my count you have three or four DT2 members. I have re-added chimk who got excluded earlier and I believe he would make a good DT member and seems to be willing to learn how things work.

[Lauda]

You thinking that something is not a good reason =/= something actually not being a good reason.

The charge of abusing the trust system is a very serious one. There is such a thing as a proof.
Are you ready to cite abuse proofs for each user included in this list? If you are not ready - it's pointless conversation.

I don't need to do anything. People are free to exclude you for even the remote suspicion of any collusion/abuse. From what I've seen so far in that section, you are doing both.

By my count you have three or four DT2 members. I have re-added chimk who got excluded earlier and I believe he would make a good DT member and seems to be willing to learn how things work.

Can you list them?

[suchmoon]

Can you list them?

The two moderators and chimk. There was someone else but the name escapes me now (I was thinking Alex_Sr but he seems to be bombarded with exclusions).

[DabLjat]

What does this have to do with the number of posts or users? Trust system should be based on users whose judgement can be trusted. It doesn't make any sense to link that to user counts or post counts. It often takes years for one to earn such trust.

By my count you have three or four DT2 members. I have re-added chimk who got excluded earlier and I believe he would make a good DT member and seems to be willing to learn how things work.

If you carefully read the topic for which I redtrusted TMAN - you would see how acute the problem is the lack of users able to leave colored reviews in the trust. I'm not talking about a personal trust that takes years to make. I'm talking about the ability to leave color reviews to dozens and hundreds of farm accounts that have bred in our locale.

How does this relate to the number of messages in the locale? Directly connected! Number of posts in Russian locale: 4 095 224 Posts. This is about 10% of all forum posts. You realistically consider that 3-4 users enough to process such number of posts? If the DT2 sheet is now about 300 people, the representation of Russia there should be at least 20-30 people. Less easy to handle. I'm not particularly interested in representation in DT1 but our representation in DT2 requires a serious increase.