[277 weeks] [Updated Mar 4 LoyceV's Trust list viewer - Create your own!

[LoyceV]

Update:

35. http://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-14_Sat_06.11h

This edition is currently uploading. Give it 20 minutes to complete, and a day for the top-navigation to be updated on all ~400,000 Trust list pages.

I found BUGS

I've been linking these users to the wrong profile on Bitcointalk:

Code:

crypto_trader#43xzEXrP
Poly#Crypto
HavucHamdi#

This is fixed (but I didn't updat older files)

[1714862637]

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[nutildah]

I just want to say thanks for all your work, Loyce. You've single-handedly managed to create a new level of transparency for the forum and its activities by keeping all this stuff documented and well-formatted. OK that is all. Carry on.

[Foxpup]

What happened here?

Foxpup Distrusts:
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154. Removed ~CryptoBinaryOptions (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

I checked to see if I removed him by accident, and I definitely have not. Is it because he just got nuked?

(Also, in an apparently unrelated bug, it seems removed entries are absent from BBcode pages, forcing me to mark up this post myself.)

[LoyceV]

What happened here?

Foxpup Distrusts:
...
154. Removed ~CryptoBinaryOptions (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

I checked to see if I removed him by accident, and I definitely have not. Is it because he just got nuked?

I don't know CryptoBinaryOptions doesn't show up in theymos' Trust data dump (txt version), which gives me the impression you removed him. You should probably ask theymos how Trust lists for nuked users are handled, his Trust feedback was not removed.
The Trust-update crossed my Banned-update, so he's not marked as banned yet.

I've excluded him too as a test:

Code:

~CryptoBinaryOptions

We'll see next week.

(Also, in an apparently unrelated bug, it seems removed entries are absent from BBcode pages, forcing me to mark up this post myself.)

That was intentional. I mean laziness But indeed, I've seen several screenshots recently to show the NEW or Removed status, so starting next week, I'll add it to the BBCode.

[LoyceV]

Update:

36. http://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-21_Sat_06.17h

It's done uploading, so enjoy!

The top-navigation-bar will be updated tomorrow.

I've excluded him too as a test:

Code:

~CryptoBinaryOptions

We'll see next week.

It's still a mystery, see theymos: what's the policy on Nuked accounts and Trust lists?

(Also, in an apparently unrelated bug, it seems removed entries are absent from BBcode pages, forcing me to mark up this post myself.)

Fixed:

Trust list for: Foxpup (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 581 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-21_Sat_06.17h)
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Foxpup is Trusted by:
1. Flying Hellfish (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 697 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. TMAN (Trust: +27 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (24) 1054 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW>Nestade (Trust: neutral) (308 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~snip~
Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

I'll remove the redundant ">" starting next week.

[Hhampuz]

Is it possible to remove the banned accounts from showing up after a while? I have a few that trust me and it looks strange when it just says "Banned" in bold red (I assume these are perma-bans anyways).

[LoyceV]

Is it possible to remove the banned accounts from showing up after a while?

I don't really want to do that, as it feels like censoring data. The banned users' Trust lists still exist, and as long as they don't get wiped, they can still use their DT1-voting-power. I think banned users can still add or remove users from their Trust list, but I'm not sure.

I have a few that trust me and it looks strange when it just says "Banned" in bold red (I assume these are perma-bans anyways).

Modlog only shows permabans indeed. A few users have been unbanned, and if they make a post, I take them off my banned list.

There are also users who exclude many banned users.
Example:

Trust list for: JollyGood (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (101 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-21_Sat_06.17h)
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JollyGood Distrusts:
1. ~HostFat (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (DT1 (-2) 91 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. ~Decksperiment (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW>~anth36jian Banned! (Trust: awaiting update) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. ~paci (Trust: !!!:  +1 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. ~daly896 (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. ~Ohana Barter Banned! (Trust: neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. ~n_vd Banned! (Trust: neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. ~Freddy63 (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. ~eliale (Trust: !!!:  +1 / =0 / -4) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. ~pogi23 Banned! (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. ~mcneLubB Banned! (Trust: neutral) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. ~dapp1 Banned! (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. ~tabbac Banned! (Trust: neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. ~italia (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. ~whitetoo Banned! (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~snip~
320. NEW>~kryper (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
321. NEW>~COINSBIT.EXCHANGE (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

I try to provide as much information as I can, including the account status.

[Hhampuz]

Is it possible to remove the banned accounts from showing up after a while?

I don't really want to do that, as it feels like censoring data. The banned users' Trust lists still exist, and as long as they don't get wiped, they can still use their DT1-voting-power. I think banned users can still add or remove users from their Trust list, but I'm not sure.

Ah, I was not aware they still held such powers. If they do, that seems a bit silly though and perhaps something theymos should look into (or someone else, perhaps someone that likes to scrape data to see if anyone that was banned got into the DT1 round of that particular month).

It's just this one user "Maicol72" or something that got banned 4-5 months ago and every week when I check my trust list I'm used to red being a new addition or removal but nope, just Maicol still being banned.

I hear you though, and understand the decision.

[LoyceV]

to see if anyone that was banned got into the DT1 round of that particular month).

Banned users can't get into DT1, but they can help still vote other members into DT1 (assuming they have enough Merit).

~I'm used to red being a new addition or removal but nope, just Maicol still being banned.

That's been bugging me for a while indeed. I think I first added red NEW/Removed notifications, and later on added red Banned statuses. It's all red, and that's the problem
I can just change one of them into another color. Choose a color, and I'll change it next week

[Hhampuz]

Banned users can't get into DT1, but they can help still vote other members into DT1 (assuming they have enough Merit).

Ah yes, I meant if any banned user helped someone get into DT1 through voting with the merit earned.. would be interesting to see.

~I'm used to red being a new addition or removal but nope, just Maicol still being banned.

That's been bugging me for a while indeed. I think I first added red NEW/Removed notifications, and later on added red Banned statuses. It's all red, and that's the problem
I can just change one of them into another color. Choose a color, and I'll change it next week

You are correct! It's mainly the color, hah. What if Banned would be in black? Or some other dark color, with "Removed" staying in Red and perhaps "New" being in Green or some other positive color? Haha don't want to give you unnecessary work though so just do what you think is best (and thanks again for doing any of this, you are a star!).

[LoyceV]

perhaps "New" being in Green or some other positive color?

That would make excluding someone a positive green act too? It's going to be confusing if including is green and excluding is red, unless it's removing, then removing an inclusion gets red while removing an exclusion gets green? Lol
I'll think about it this week. Changing a color isn't that much work.

[Hhampuz]

perhaps "New" being in Green or some other positive color?

That would make excluding someone a positive green act too? It's going to be confusing if including is green and excluding is red, unless it's removing, then removing an inclusion gets red while removing an exclusion gets green? Lol
I'll think about it this week. Changing a color isn't that much work.

As you can tell I have not really thought this through, lol. Whatever you think works will be fine with me

[LoyceV]

What happened here?

Foxpup Distrusts:
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154. Removed ~CryptoBinaryOptions (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

I checked to see if I removed him by accident, and I definitely have not. Is it because he just got nuked?

This is the reason:

trust.txt.xz only includes relationships where both the truster and trustee have non-zero post counts.

[LoyceV]

Update:

37. http://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-28_Sat_06.17h

It's uploaded already, so go read your Saturday Morning Newspaper I'll update the top-navigation-bar tomorrow.

As you can tell I have not really thought this through, lol. Whatever you think works will be fine with me

I went for orange. I'm not entirely happy with it, but what do I know about colors.
If someone has a better color scheme for NEW/Removed/Banned, please post.

Sample:

Trust list for: whyrqa (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-28_Sat_06.17h)
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whyrqa Trusts:
1. PancherBitCoin Banned! (Trust: neutral) (67 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEWHhampuz (Trust: +68 / =2 / -0) (1211 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEWLassie (Trust: neutral) (132 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Ratimov (Trust: neutral) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

whyrqa Distrusts:
-

whyrqa is Trusted by:
1. PancherBitCoin Banned! (Trust: neutral) (67 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~whyrqa is Distrusted by:
1. whyrqa-1 (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

(I'll fix the missing space after NEW in BBCode in next week's update)

[Veleor]

<...> If someone has a better color scheme for NEW/Removed/Banned, please post.

You can try the blue or royalblue color for NEW

Trust list for: whyrqa (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-28_Sat_06.17h)
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whyrqa Trusts:
1. PancherBitCoin Banned! (Trust: neutral) (67 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEWHhampuz (Trust: +68 / =2 / -0) (1211 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEWLassie (Trust: neutral) (132 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Ratimov (Trust: neutral) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
<...>
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

Trust list for: whyrqa (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-28_Sat_06.17h)
Back to index

whyrqa Trusts:
1. PancherBitCoin Banned! (Trust: neutral) (67 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEWHhampuz (Trust: +68 / =2 / -0) (1211 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEWLassie (Trust: neutral) (132 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Ratimov (Trust: neutral) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
<...>
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

[LoyceV]

You can try the blue or royalblue color for NEW

Blue looks okay, I'll use it next week

[LFC_Bitcoin]

**LFC_Bitcoin checks Loyce’s thread for changes in his trust list viewer & notices OgNasty has ~ him**

**LFC_Bitcoin tries to think of anything he could have done to deserve this, draws a blank & returns the favour**

[Steamtyme]

It's your list and you are free to do as you see fit. Seeing as you put it out here though I don't follow this line of thinking; it just seems retaliatory. It would have made sense to me if you had thought more on OG's feedback and inclusions to decide if you agreed with it or not. If nothing else reaching out to him and inquiring as to why?

In a purely hypothetical as I have no insight into this. If they were just trying out a new list and the next week you were no longer ~ would you then remove the "favor"?

[LoyceV]

Seeing as you put it out here though I don't follow this line of thinking; it just seems retaliatory. It would have made sense to me if you had thought more on OG's feedback and inclusions to decide if you agreed with it or not.

Agreed. Trust lists should ideally only be based on how you value the other person's judgement.
I always feel like "Trust backstabbers" are the most sincere form of Trust list usage. As an example, these are all "Trust backstabbers" on theymos' Trust list:

Trust list for: theymos (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (62) 5269 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-28_Sat_06.17h)
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theymos Distrusts:
1. ~CanaryInTheMine (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-4) 22 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~Vod (Trust: +29 / =2 / -2) (DT1! (23) 1305 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. ~Tomatocage (Trust: +17 / =2 / -1) (202 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. ~KWH (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (45 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. ~FullLife (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. ~Saint-loup (Trust: neutral) (463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

theymos is Trusted by:
24. CanaryInTheMine (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-4) 22 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
39. Vod (Trust: +29 / =2 / -2) (DT1! (23) 1305 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
45. Tomatocage (Trust: +17 / =2 / -1) (202 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
77. KWH (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (45 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
97. FullLife (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
306. Saint-loup (Trust: neutral) (463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

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When evaluating someone's judgement, you should also look at their stance on Flags.
For example:
OgNasty's Personal Trust Flag viewer (to my surprise he's not supporting any Flags)
LFC_Bitcoin's Personal Trust Flag viewer (a very long list )

[LFC_Bitcoin]

It's your list and you are free to do as you see fit. Seeing as you put it out here though I don't follow this line of thinking; it just seems retaliatory. It would have made sense to me if you had thought more on OG's feedback and inclusions to decide if you agreed with it or not. If nothing else reaching out to him and inquiring as to why?

In a purely hypothetical as I have no insight into this. If they were just trying out a new list and the next week you were no longer ~ would you then remove the "favor"?

I probably trust some people who have ~ him so that’s why he’s done it. My response was absolutely retaliatory, I’ve been on this forum since 2014 & never once scammed anybody or even for one second thought about it. If he doesn’t trust me then I can’t find myself able to trust him.