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February 03, 2019, 05:03:07 PM
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What kind of communism so you see here: Marxism or
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None user tags or bans anyone without real/valid reason(s).

This is incorrect.

As I have proven many times.

Well, you could argue it is a real reason but not a valid reason if you want the trust score to mean anything.

What if I started red trusting people because they refused to scam people? You can see it may be a "real" reason but this is not a valid reason is it? Then I gave green trust to scammers because they did scam. It is a real reason but again not a valid reason in terms of red trust mean to be for untrustworthy and green trust trust worthy.

Same as if i started to red trust people who alerted others to wrong doing. This is the opposite of what the trust system is there for.

Now when the entire list of DT condones this then yes you can start to reason there is some kind of system in place that allows this behaviour that needs to be looked at and restrictions put in place if you want the trust scores to actually help in avoiding persons that may scam you.

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February 03, 2019, 05:08:26 PM
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You are free to leave. This makes a lot of difference when comparing to a dictatorial regime.
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February 03, 2019, 05:09:47 PM
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You are free to leave. This makes a lot of difference when comparing to a dictatorial regime.

Should there not be some other differences?


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February 03, 2019, 05:44:38 PM
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It seems that it is not dictatorial regime as you are allowed to talk to yourself and vouch for your own tips.

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So how should we call system where you are allowed to "buy" your own tips, vouch for them from proven alt account which is maybe bought from known scammer? Not dictatorship?

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February 03, 2019, 05:55:28 PM
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While this thread title is obviously extremely hyperbolic, I think the question in concept is at least a valid one.

It's really not. Its not a "regime" that we are all forced live under. We're all here voluntarily.

In the case of this forum it is essentially a giant engine of drama and scams.

It's many more things than that. Everybody guides their own user experience of what they want to get out of the forum.

When rules apply to some people but not others not only is confusion created but disregard for the authority of those that wield it in general. In the end this fast and loose style talks lots of freedom and decentralization, and delivers lots of cliques, systemic abuse, and results counter to what most people desire in their user experience.

1. Sounds like every single other community or society that has ever existed.
2. You don't speak for "what most people desire."

Again, nobody is forcing anybody to be here, and if they don't like it, they can leave. Or better yet, create their own forum.

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February 03, 2019, 05:59:57 PM
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While this thread title is obviously extremely hyperbolic, I think the question in concept is at least a valid one.

It's really not. Its not a "regime" that we are all forced live under. We're all here voluntarily.

In the case of this forum it is essentially a giant engine of drama and scams.

It's many more things than that. Everybody guides their own user experience of what they want to get out of the forum.

When rules apply to some people but not others not only is confusion created but disregard for the authority of those that wield it in general. In the end this fast and loose style talks lots of freedom and decentralization, and delivers lots of cliques, systemic abuse, and results counter to what most people desire in their user experience.

1. Sounds like every single other community or society that has ever existed.
2. You don't speak for "what most people desire."

You might want to look up what the world hyperbole means. Also people contribute to this place as well even if it is the private property of Theymos. He has sought to decentralize its leadership some what. People spend lots of time, money, and energy building reputations and industries on this forum. Acting like people can just walk away without penalty, or that these things have no real world effects is just infantile.

Yes it does sound like every society ever, perhaps we should take lessons from those systems of law and apply them here? Such as a standard of evidence for accusations and some form of due process. I don't speak for most people, but you do?

Some interesting related reading:

https://managemagazine.com/article-bank/leadership/toxic-leaders-destroy-people-organisations/

https://coachfederation.org/blog/the-rise-of-toxic-leaders-in-organizations-2


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You might want to look up what the world hyperbole means. Also people contribute to this place as well even if it is the private property of Theymos. He has sought to decentralize its leadership some what. People spend lots of time, money, and energy building reputations and industries on this forum. Acting like people can just walk away without penalty, or that these things have no real world effects is just infantile.

I'm getting really tired of this tactic of yours. I'm not exactly blown away by your intellectual prowess and I recognize your condescension is just a veil over not being able to produce actual counterarguments. This forum is littered with people exactly like you. Get over yourself. Furthermore, people can just walk away, they do every day, and they should if it makes them as distraught as it does you.

Yes it does sound like every society ever, perhaps we should take lessons from those systems of law and apply them here?

That's exactly what theymos is trying to do by democratizing the DT system. You on the other hand... I have no idea what you're trying to do. You seem to just be angry all the time.

Such as a standard of evidence for accusations and some form of due process.

OK, so present the idea to the board. Or, just theymos. Or both. However you see fit.

I don't speak for most people, but you do?

I never said I do. You, on the other hand, did... Most people that don't like the forum leave. Maybe its in your own best interest if you considered following suit.

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The title says it all, a few users decide the life of any account they don't like.
Define "life of any account". The user is the sole decider of an account's fate; what many fail to realize growing up is that you are responsible for every one of your actions (which always have consequences).
Plus I'm assuming OP is referring to getting red trust from a DT member, which doesn't "ruin" any account.  You can still post and read and probably do as many trades as you like here.  

It's also not a case of DT members not liking members.  Bitcointalk has written rules and a bunch of unwritten rules as well.  Most noobs don't care enough about the forum to get to know what the unwritten rules are before jumping in and doing stupid shit--like buying an account, for instance.  All they care about is using bitcointalk as a money-making machine, and they don't care if they make it difficult for anyone to find genuinely useful posts by writing a mountain of garbage.  

If it wasn't for that small, active group of DT members who've taken a stand against shenanigans, this place would be all but useless.  It's bad enough that scams aren't moderated--DT members have to do the tagging, and those members also feel responsible for keeping the forum as clean as it can be as far as everything else that isn't moderated.  

It's not anything personal.  Does anyone think I wanted to give Lutpin and lightlord negs for their shitty campaign management?  Nope.  Someone had to, and notice you didn't see cryptohunter or his posse or anyone else helping out.  I happen to like Lutpin, yet I tagged him anyway because of his behavior.  Lightlord I don't know, and he appears to have had less responsibility than Lutpin and I've since removed his tag.  Anyway, it's stuff like that that tends to get missed when making broad generalizations about what's perceived as a small group with a lot of power.

Edit:  I'd also like to add that this "small group" doesn't even always agree with one another, as in the case of me tagging Rambotnic and DarkStar_ leaving a counter-positive.  There have been quite a few instances of that as well.  It's not always a simple matter trying to make the right call, and mistakes do get made.  Fortunately if one DT member messes up, 1) he won't stay on DT if it's consistent, and 2) other DT members will speak their minds and won't just blindly go along with it.  I expect DT members (and others) to tell me if they think I made a bad call.

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You might want to look up what the world hyperbole means. Also people contribute to this place as well even if it is the private property of Theymos. He has sought to decentralize its leadership some what. People spend lots of time, money, and energy building reputations and industries on this forum. Acting like people can just walk away without penalty, or that these things have no real world effects is just infantile.

I'm getting really tired of this tactic of yours. I'm not exactly blown away by your intellectual prowess and I recognize your condescension is just a veil over not being able to produce actual counterarguments. This forum is littered with people exactly like you. Get over yourself. Furthermore, people can just walk away, they do every day, and they should if it makes them as distraught as it does you.

Yes it does sound like every society ever, perhaps we should take lessons from those systems of law and apply them here?

That's exactly what theymos is trying to do by democratizing the DT system. You on the other hand... I have no idea what you're trying to do. You seem to just be angry all the time.

Such as a standard of evidence for accusations and some form of due process.

OK, so present the idea to the board. Or, just theymos. Or both. However you see fit.

I don't speak for most people, but you do?

I never said I do. You, on the other hand, did... Most people that don't like the forum leave. Maybe its in your own best interest if you considered following suit.

So, I don't have a counter argument... even thought I immediately responded with counter argument? I am condescending not because a sense of grandiosity, but due to the fact I find you not to be intellectually honest, and I think you are projecting more than a little bit.

The question is not if people can walk away, it is what is the cost of them walking away? If people have no incentive to cooperate and invest in a community, what is going to be left of it? What is going to be the resulting quality of interaction here?

I am trying to get everyone involved in this matter to realize we NEED a standard of evidence for leaving negative ratings of either theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws. Unless that line is drawn as a basic standard the trust system will never be anything more than noise, confusion, enabling scams, and drama. Maybe Theymos makes the rule. Maybe we all mutually agree on it, maybe just some of us do.

Perhaps I may seem "angry all the time" because I am being dog piled, slandered, dismissed, etc by various people who would rather make this a drama than a discussion, because this discussion might change things for them.



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Pharmacist , Lauda and marlboroza the worst trust abusers here I do not care about my account, it is in red since January 2018 but I am a member of this forum and I have the right to free speech like anyone else here. I still want an answer how does this forum differ from a dictatorship regime.

The funny thing is I was under Lauda in a signature and my story was known back then, he didn't give me negative then but today when his interest was hit by my words. Not that I care just want to show the worst double standards that happen in this so called unmoderated forum.
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I still want an answer how does this forum differ from a dictatorship regime.
You have been given several answers, they just don't fit your preconceived notions and so you have ignored them. What you are actually looking for is an answer which will fit your narrative, and I'm afraid that you are unlikely to find that here.

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I am afraid you are right, just persons do not exist here with the exception of very few, it is just a bunch of trust abusers who is given power and they have been abusing the hell out of it from quite some time now, about 3-4 years. A simple fact which for me shows this is that take a look at how a few of the trust abusers have been promoted , by abusing trust system. Anyway I am locking this , the Dt bullshit propaganda is enough for everyone.

Again I wish bitcoin prosper but without these pigs who are doing the worst evil to the great creation of Satoshi.
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