@suchmoon could you provide info on this

[Thule]

The statement doesn't need to be "proven" false, it needs to be proven true. The truth is an affirmative defense against defamation. And one only needs to show that the statement is more likely than not. You should know that logically, its much harder to prove something is false. The only way is to prove something is false is to show that the assumption that it is false leads to a contradiction. Also, in most jurisdictions in the US, accusing someone of a crime that turns out to be untrue is "defamatory per se" and doesn't require someone to prove the have had real monetary damages.

Suchmoon could be considered a "public figure" or a "limited purpose public figure" and under CA statutory law, she would have to affirmatively prove the statement to be false.

You really think that if suchmoon pursued this in the meatspace that a CA judge would rule suchmoon a "public figure" or a "limited purpose public figure?"  Naturally, I don't suspect suchmoon will pursue this since the indications are that Thule is across the pond and it would probably require more resources than the case is worth. In any event, if suchmoon were to bring up a case, it definitely would be stronger than thule's case against Vod. 

A limited purpose public figure perhaps.

In the terms of the community, of which the trust ratings are in relation to, she is most certainly a public figure.

She would be counted as one because of her feedbacks being displayed as default which by law makes that she has a way higher responsibility than an average user here.
I tried to explain it several months ago to them but it seems they don't wanna ackknowledge it

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[bones261]

Thule, provide more proof for this serious allegation. Until then, my red paint remains. I'm going to appeal to OgNasty's recommendation.

False allegations hurt everyone. Massive amounts of time are wasted and the community learns to ignore these kinds of complaints as a result of the boy who cried wolf syndrome (is that a thing?).

There are only two logical steps forward here.

1) Have the original PM authenticated.
or
2) Lock this thread.

[Thule]

Thule, provide more proof for this serious allegation. Until then, my red paint remains. I'm going to appeal to OgNasty's recommendation.

False allegations hurt everyone. Massive amounts of time are wasted and the community learns to ignore these kinds of complaints as a result of the boy who cried wolf syndrome (is that a thing?).

There are only two logical steps forward here.

1) Have the original PM authenticated.
or
2) Lock this thread.

Which allegation did i made ? Can you point me to them ?

[cryptohunter]

Thule, provide more proof for this serious allegation. Until then, my red paint remains. I'm going to appeal to OgNasty's recommendation.

False allegations hurt everyone. Massive amounts of time are wasted and the community learns to ignore these kinds of complaints as a result of the boy who cried wolf syndrome (is that a thing?).

There are only two logical steps forward here.

1) Have the original PM authenticated.
or
2) Lock this thread.

After reading further I become more certain thule did contact theymos and that he was trying to do the correct thing here. I hope theymos can just confirm thule contacted him asap.

[Quickseller]

IMO, the best course of action is for the thread to be locked and bones to remove the negative.

Regardless of the legitimacy of the rating, locking the thread will remove the underlying issue, which has previously been the standard to remove ratings.

If the PM is from a zero post newbie, it isn’t credible as displayed. If the OP receives additional verifiable evidence about suchmoon, he can unlock the thread.

[Thule]

Thule, provide more proof for this serious allegation. Until then, my red paint remains. I'm going to appeal to OgNasty's recommendation.

False allegations hurt everyone. Massive amounts of time are wasted and the community learns to ignore these kinds of complaints as a result of the boy who cried wolf syndrome (is that a thing?).

There are only two logical steps forward here.

1) Have the original PM authenticated.
or
2) Lock this thread.

After reading further I become more certain thule did contact theymos and that he was trying to do the correct thing here. I hope theymos can just confirm thule contacted him asap.

If people want i can post the PM i sent to theymos.I didn't do it till now because the PM contains accusations i got from the sender which i forwarded and didn't wanted to publish.

IMO, the best course of action is for the thread to be locked and bones to remove the negative.

Regardless of the legitimacy of the rating, locking the thread will remove the underlying issue, which has previously been the standard to remove ratings.

If the PM is from a zero post newbie, it isn’t credible as displayed. If the OP receives additional verifiable evidence about suchmoon, he can unlock the thread.

Will be locking after 24h so everyone who wants to post can make a final statement.

[bones261]

If people want i can post the PM i sent to theymos.I didn't do it till now because the PM contains accusations i got from the sender which i forwarded and didn't wanted to publish.

Just get Theymos to publicly post a vouch that you contacted him regarding this matter a day or so ago. It's already been established that without some kind of vouch, screenshots and quotes of pms can be doctored and don't hold much weight.

[Thule]

If people want i can post the PM i sent to theymos.I didn't do it till now because the PM contains accusations i got from the sender which i forwarded and didn't wanted to publish.

Just get Theymos to publicly post a vouch that you contacted him regarding this matter a day or so ago. It's already been established that without some kind of vouch, screenshots and quotes of pms can be doctored and don't hold much weight.

Ask him yourself.I'm not going to force posting him here.He told me clearly he won't make any investigations.

[cryptohunter]

If people want i can post the PM i sent to theymos.I didn't do it till now because the PM contains accusations i got from the sender which i forwarded and didn't wanted to publish.

Just get Theymos to publicly post a vouch that you contacted him regarding this matter a day or so ago. It's already been established that without some kind of vouch, screenshots and quotes of pms can be doctored and don't hold much weight.

Ask him yourself.I'm not going to force posting him here.He told me clearly he won't make any investigations.

If you post a screenshot from theymos reply then that should be enough> I am sure nobody will dare do that without losing their account.

Just black out some details you think should not be shown.

Then I think bones will remove the red.

[xtraelv]

I can prove this is a false accusation from the information provided.


This is the entire untrusted feedback placed on Suchmoon since May 2018.
https://i.imgur.com/EhBb3fb.png
https://i.imgur.com/kadvRQE.png
https://i.imgur.com/1K0rPEn.png

The screenshot shows that the person alleging placed untrusted feedback on Suchmoon.



Why is this relevant ?

It means that who-ever took the screenshot placed red trust on Suchmoon yet fails to mention this transaction. No reference of it and no mention of it.

Making false accusations is serious. Now that I have proven that it is false I feel that unless you disclose who made that allegation that you are hiding the identity of  a scammer.

Why would someone trade with someone they don't trust or place negative feedback yet leave out such damning information ?

Also I have spoken to Suchmoon via PM on a number of occasions. I've never seen Suchmoon re-quote conversations more than just the previous response.

[suchmoon]

It shouldn't even be in Investigation because neither you nor Quicksy have a plausible reason for it.

It is since i belive its not faked and am even willing to risk to get my account banned.(Here you got your opportunity)

That means nothing. You can't just post random shit you "belive" and call it a reason for dox. First you have to prove that the allegation is credible, then you can proceed to doxing, but only in Investigations.

Your allegation has zero credibility unless you can show proof that the pictured PM communication between my account and the accuser in May 2018 really happened. Hint: you can't because it didn't. So you're either (1) faking it all yourself, even if the newbie account exists and even if you sent PMs to theymos - all that can be part of the act; or (2) you're truly utterly stupid if you get a PM like that from a random newbie and you think it's credible.

Honestly I'm torn. You could be sufficiently dumb for #2 but Occam says it's #1 because there is no plausible reason for some hypothetical accuser to engage you to post the screenshot.

I can prove this is a false accusation from the information provided.

Good point. But...

To save Quicksy and his gang of misfits some time I'm gonna rebuke this myself

The perp could have deleted the rating by now due to... reasons.

[xtraelv]

Also I have never seen Suchmoon talk like this.

It has far too many errors to be from Suchmoon.

Many grammatical errors and missing words.

[DireWolfM14]

I can prove this is a false accusation from the information provided.

Good point. But...

To save Quicksy and his gang of misfits some time I'm gonna rebuke this myself

The perp could have deleted the rating by now due to... reasons.

Yeah, the lack of a rating isn't proof that suchmoon didn't scam someone.  That's the beauty of this accusation, there's really no way to prove it didn't happen, so we must believe.

1. Believe that Thule has no ax to grind.
2. Believe Thule!?!
3. Believe Suchmoon is lying.

Can we turn this thread into a poll?

@suchmoon, are you starting to feel like Brett Kavanaugh yet?

[Timelord2067]

I suggest Thule might be quickseller in a Trust Wall post.

Twelve months later I am for a brief moment on the DT then it is taken away.  ^{1} Thule then starts a thread to place my good name under a cloud.

In the ensuing discussion Suchmoon and The Pharmacist say they are going to review my Red Trusts to see where I may have gotten wrong assertions that various UID's are alts.

Thule then switches it's attention to Suchmoon.

quickseller is well known for pushing it's (name) alts under the bus when the alt is no longer of use.

Bizarrely, quickseller firsts contradicts Thule's assertions then increasingly supports Thule's assertions.

If you look at the screen shot in the OP there is a trailing loop like a lower case "Y" that hasn't been crossed out- what ever the UID purportedly sending Thule the screen shot has a six letter user name with the fourth letter as "y"

Given Thule is claiming it will lock the thread I'm posting this now in the hope someone else can recal an alt that either QS for Thule has used that contains:

Code:

_-_y-_

{1}

*edit* that should read logictense starts a short lived reputation thread and then Thule starts a thread...

[xtraelv]

Interesting results when using forensic tools on the image:

[Timelord2067]

Interesting results when using forensic tools on the image:

For those of us that aren't mind readers, what are we looking at? http://archive.fo/X7JSp#selection-5461.0-5461.59

[xtraelv]

Interesting results when using forensic tools on the image:

For those of us that aren't mind readers, what are we looking at? http://archive.fo/X7JSp#selection-5461.0-5461.59

With ELA (Error Level Analysis)  the whole picture should roughly be the same level. If part of the image is a different error level, then it is highly likely it has been digitally modified.

Similar edges should have roughly the same brightness.

Similar textures should have symilar colouring

Flat surfaces should be symilar regardless of colour.

https://fotoforensics.com/tutorial-ela.php


First example is that posted by the OP.

Second example is a test I did by sending PM to myself.

EDIT: Different tool - symilar results.

It shows that it is likely that the image was altered where the levels are different.

Notice how the name who the messages are addressed to are a different level to the rest of the image.
But where the name has been crossed out it is a level similar to the text of the messages.
Yet in the text where it is crossed out it is the same level.




https://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=e40b0c5209be64440f79d49eff3c7099d4a40b91.318677&show=digest


http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=2904d60d6187529f33ef5adb8b4013df3b2393e1.62721&show=digest

[o_e_l_e_o]

Don't know if it is because I'm currently on my phone, but nothing obviously edited jumps out of those images at me? I've never looked at anything like that before, however, so please point out what I should be seeing.

Surely this would only prove if the image had been digitally edited, such as in Photoshop or similar? If they simply downloaded a page and edited the html, which is probably more likely, it would appear normal?

[xtraelv]

Don't know if it is because I'm currently on my phone, but nothing obviously edited jumps out of those images at me? I've never looked at anything like that before, however, so please point out what I should be seeing.

Surely this would only prove if the image had been digitally edited, such as in Photoshop or similar? If they simply downloaded a page and edited the html, which is probably more likely, it would appear normal?

Yes- it looks like the image has been digitally altered in more places than that we are certain that it has been altered.

Especially if you look where we KNOW the image has been digitally altered (where the name is crossed out).


With the header the lettering and the crossing out are different colors and levels.





With some of the lettering (the body of the message) the text and crossing out are roughly the same color and level.

[Timelord2067]

It's now 24 hours and 40 minutes since Thule last posted in this thread (and roughly half an hour since they were last online) probably time to call this for what it is.

HOAX

Time to lock this thread.