Stake.com (SteveStake) is encouraging spam.

[coinlocket$]

I was thinking to apply there, the payout is very high my in comparison to my actual signature. (I had no luck so far to join good campaigns)

I will wait 2 weeks when I will hit hero rank and I will see.

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[The Cryptovator]

Intention of my post was to invite them and share our thoughts to prevent spam from forum. At the beginning their response was fine. But its seems they have chosen different way to promote and spam over forum. To be honest their spammy activity increased more than before. They should think again about their promotional strategy. Everyone free to advertise here any valid site, it doesn't mean they are free to encourage spam on this forum.

I would like to suggest them reconsider about their promotional strategy and help build a decent forum. SteveStake should visit this thread once again to make a strong and quality promotion.

[1miau]

I was thinking to apply there, the payout is very high my in comparison to my actual signature. (I had no luck so far to join good campaigns)

Me too, I think if they adjust the campaign a little bit it can get a very good one. Adding 1 required Merit per week to get a payout or limiting the total posts per week would be fine. The spreadsheet is not public, so I don't know how many users were disqualified or not accepted.
They pay up to $100 per week to the most constructive posters and the competition isn't very high to make the first place, but I didn't see the spreadsheet yet. I'll check out their Telegram, have a look at the spreadsheet and give it a try tomorrow.

I will wait 2 weeks when I will hit hero rank and I will see.

I don't know how long they will run the campaign, they have many participants and much to pay. Most likely they won't run it very long because it could be only a temporary promotion for Stake v2.

I would like to suggest them reconsider about their promotional strategy and help build a decent forum. SteveStake should visit this thread once again to make a strong and quality promotion.

Payments per 10 posts could also be done like this: If someone is doing x posts per week, the amount paid in BTC will be lower for every 10 comments the more you post per week. First 50 comments for e.g. Member get .0003 BTC per 10 posts, the next 50 posts get .00015 BTC per 10 posts and so on...


10 - 50 posts per week:

Jr/Member - .0003 BTC per 10 posts
Full/Sr. member - .0008 BTC per 10 post
Hero/Legendary - .0012 BTC per 10 posts

51 - 100 posts per week:

Jr/Member - .00015 BTC per 10 posts
Full/Sr. member - .0004 BTC per 10 post
Hero/Legendary - .008 BTC per 10 posts

100 - 250 posts per week:

Jr/Member - .00005 BTC per 10 posts
Full/Sr. member - .00015 BTC per 10 post
Hero/Legendary - .00025 BTC per 10 posts

More than 250 posts per week won't be paid.

[actmyname]

^{(all calculations assume $4k/BTC for round numbers)}

I would not have anything above 100 posts/week, and I personally find that very generous in terms of how many quality posts one can output on a weekly basis.

Unless they're dedicating serious time into the forum to churn out content consistently, it's absolutely insane to assume that the average user is able to create that many quality posts.

Moreover, if they are dedicating such a large amount of their time into it, they wouldn't do it for peanuts (exceptions being forum fanatics). If we assume an average of 10 minutes to construct a quality post, that means that they're getting about $2/hr. (for reference, it took me ~12 focused minutes to do the research and writing of this post)

I don't like to think of signature campaigns as jobs because forced posts decrease quality but this is the only way I can portray the inefficacy of the system.

Quality users won't post for $2/hr.
Shitposters won't, either. Because they can churn out dozens of posts every time they log on by scanning through random general/vague threads, creating some half-assed reply they garner from reading either the thread title or some other shitposter's reply.

Repeating what has already been said or stating some obvious (or even, wrong) conclusion about a general topic adds nothing to the thread... but it's easy to do and it's quick to do. If I were to go down this path, I imagine I could hit at least one post per minute, easy. Incoherent rambling and repetition can pad a reply so even character limits or simple guards against one-liners won't really suffice.

When I factor that amount of time into it, this can easily reach $24/hr. This is nearly double that of the highest minimum wage in the US ($13.25) and is definitely something that people in poorer cultures would love to be a part of.
    
Imagine living in an area where the cost of living for the average person each month is half of what you earn every week ($400). You would be a king with one account, never mind the multiple ones that account farmers surely have in the Stake campaign.

In fact, if you did have multiple accounts and you decided to put in the estimated ~16 hours/week per account into the campaign, you would have an income higher than that of GDP/capita United States with just three thereof. That is, 3 accounts at 50 hours/week nets you $62,400 before tax.

I'm vehemently against using accounts in this way but the reality is that it happens and for good reason: it's "easy money"... to people who don't care about the forum degradation.

[Findingnemo]

Here is an announcement from stevestake which maybe happening due to this thread?

Some people will be replaced today after payouts for anyone waiting to get in

But I think they need to make adjustments in their requirements to get weekly rewards like having maximum paid post and keep the participants list in public which I am insisting for many times here.

[nutildah]

Nobody writes more than 100 quality posts a week -- nobody.

I admit the amount of BTC they pay is compelling but I wouldn't want to be associated with what looks to be an all-you-can spam contest.

For instance, both of these by Tamilson are just awful, I bolded the most telling parts:

I'm a coinomi user since 2017 and got no problem with that, so far. My biggest fund there was around $5k and didn't worry about hacking issue since I have a passphrase. But your story is different from mine since you imported your passphrase from exodus wallet and maybe someone had spotted this since you really have decent amount.

I'm not a techy person so I can't say anything, I just feel sorry for your money that seems no getting back.
And if there will further update what coinomi has to say please keep us posted here.

You probably didn't read my post very well. Coinomi's wallet simply takes your passphrase and spell checks it with a remote server!

Sort of since it's lengthy, lol. Well I really thought that it's exodus the importing that triggered everything, pardon me on that. So earlier, had checked those links in the OP since honestly I'm in coinomi's side ( sorry again ) but upon reading all those links I found out these are all true ( especially those reddit posts ). Maybe I trusted it too much and ain't aware those "backdoors".

I'm having my thoughts right now which wallets are safe since even a hardware wallet can be tampered upon shipping.

He's commenting gibberish over an extremely serious problem (guy lost $60k worth of coins). Then doubled down after the OP corrected him, for the sake of racking up 1 more post.

[Lucius]

Nobody writes more than 100 quality posts a week -- nobody.

Stake.com is not expressly seeking quality posts, but has a completely different approach how signature campaign should be set up. Just read the introduction from their OP :

Why this campaign is better than the rest

The most beneficial part of this campaign is we aren't going to limit you on where you can and can't post. Unlike in other campaigns, posts made in all sections of Bitcointalk will be counted! After looking through every signature campaign and managing one myself I've found it can be difficult for people to make high quality posts when they're limited to posting in only a few sections. This results in forced conversation and low quality posts simply because someone has to meet a required post count in a certain section. This campaign will promote organic conversations that you actually want to be part of and allow you to effortlessly accumulate high post counts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110093.0

Everything bolded is more than an invitation to spam, with total disregard for Signature Campaign Guidelines, where we can read a lot of useful things, such as this part :

Signature Campaigns are a great way to introduce your business and advertise your services to the bitcoin ecosystem but this cannot be abused by you paying people to make poor contributions en masse. As a signature campaign operator you will ultimately be held responsible for the quality of posts of users bearing your signature advertisement and you will need to monitor your users closely or it will be quickly abused. If you are running a campaign and it becomes blatantly obvious to Staff that you are doing little to nothing to stop spam on your campaign you will be issued a PM warning by a Global Moderator that you need to make immediate improvements to curb low-quality posts. You will have 7 days to remove low-quality posters and respond to the message detailing what you are going to do to make changes to your campaign to reduce the amount of spam. If improvements are not noticeable within 21 days of that and Staff do not believe you are doing enough to prevent low quality posts your signatures will be blacklisted from the forum by an Admin and you will no longer be permitted to advertise here in such a way.

So we have some rules, and if there is no improvements in the given time, Staff has all the power to close this campaign.

[morvillz7z]

They also have a merit contest with prizes. Check the last two topics for merit abuse in reputation, seems like they are going against one another:

Quintrix stake signature
wilburwilbur stake signature. Things backfired against PryptoMontreal (topic starter stake signature)who was caught handing himself merit from an alt account.

Overall, not well thought out campaign with low to zero control that encourages spam and indirectly merit abuse.

[coinlocket$]

They also have a merit contest with prizes. Check the last two topics for merit abuse in reputation, seems like they are going against one another:

Quintrix stake signature
wilburwilbur stake signature. Things backfired against PryptoMontreal (topic starter stake signature)who was caught handing himself merit from an alt account.

Overall, not well thought out campaign with low to zero control that encourages spam and indirectly merit abuse.

LOL, no comment. He whined about abusers and he also abused it, shall we tag them all? 

Should be fun if we can get access to the spreadsheet.

[yahoo62278]

This thread has served its purpose as far as being an avenue to discuss the Stake campaign. Further discussion IMO would only be considered signature spam as everything that can be said, pretty much already has been said.

Campaigns like this are the communities fault. The site is not to blame IMO, at least not right out of the gate. You the community have the choice whether or not to join a signature campaign. Well, you have the choice on whether to apply. Most users are looking to make a buck wearing an advertisement, and don't really care about the community or bitcointalk. They want to make money. There's no shame in that, but spitting out 100 posts in 3 days is ridiculous. You the user have the choice on what sort of community member you want to be. A douchebag spammer or a person who takes pride in being a member here.

If the community joined the campaign and did not have the intention of making the max number of weekly accepted posts, then everything would be fine. That's just not how it is though. You have multiple farmers and account buyers who fuck shit up.

I'm not a fan of tagging users for signature spam unless they are blatantly doing it for monetary gain only. This to me is the community and moderators job. We the community should use the report to moderator button and report posts you think are off topic, and moderators will ban the accounts they feel are abusing the system. If we the community
isn't reporting posts, how do we expect the moderators to help out?

At what point is the site or manager to blame?

IMO the manager or site becomes at fault once the problem has been brought to their attention, and they fail to take action.

Here is an announcement from stevestake which maybe happening due to this thread?

Some people will be replaced today after payouts for anyone waiting to get in

Here you clearly see the manager is taking action. What I do not like is the fact that we cannot see who is or who is not in the campaign. I believe that since the campaign is being run on this platform, then the community should have access to see the spreadsheet for the campaign. It should be publicly listed in the campaign thread. That's how it has always been for transparency as well as gives scam hunters a way to see who is breaking rules or cheating campaigns. Some might say that is for the manager to decide, not the community. Obviously my opinion differs.

Why is the spreadsheet not my business? What is it hurting by not being public?

I think by the spreadsheet not being public, Stake/PD (I assume both connected due to same owners/Mods) are putting themselves at risk for being tagged due to running a shady campaign. We the community can see a billion posts with the Stake sig, but we do not know if they are in the Stake campaign. So for all we know, Stake is supporting the spammers. With a public spreadsheet we can decipher who is or isn't in the campaign and tag appropriately.

It's kinda shady to keep everything hidden honestly. I can see not sharing details about the website for the public, but this is a spreadsheet about bitcointalk. Only thing people are going to see is how you manage participants in a signature campaign. Only details we see are stats about bitcointalk users.

Websites may feel this is invasive to en extent, but too bad. You choose to use the bitcointalk community as a platform to advertise, you must adhere to some of the stipulations of using this platform. I like community opinion on this question. Should a spreadsheet being public, be a mandatory requirement? Maybe we need a separate topic for this question alone?

So what do we do now?

Either tag them, or move on. Discussing it for another month is going to achieve nothing. Whether or not you can see a spreadsheet, you can still be reporting posts and letting the chips fall where they may.

This could be 100% users fault here if Steve removes all the spammers that have been accepted. We don't know who is in or who isn't either way, so reporting posts is a must at this point.

This is all i'm going to post for now

Off Topic portion of this post

Poll has been created for users to express opinions  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5115487.0

[The Cryptovator]

I like community opinion on this question. Should a spreadsheet being public, be a mandatory requirement?

Should be, since signature campaign is forum related, spreadsheet should be on public. Never mind if they promote their project on other platform for advertisement like FB and Twitter bounty, that case we should not bother ourselves. But signature campaign is directly on forum and we have right to see their participant.    

Maybe we need a separate topic for this question alone?

Open separate topic with poll would be better option. Feel free to create one if you are not busy.

Either tag them, or move on. Discussing it for another month is going to achieve nothing

I am not agree to tag participant only for spam post if they are not promoting scam. But owner or manager deserve tag in my opinions since they are choosing new way to spam on forum and they keep it hidden.  

[morvillz7z]

I think a link to a public spreadsheet has just been added - here

There seems to be 3x as many people wearing their signatures and not reflected in this table, maybe someone (manager ) should tell them they won't be paid so no need to spew 50 posts a day.

[Ridwan Fauzi]

I think a link to a public spreadsheet has just been added - here

There seems to be 3x as many people wearing their signatures and not reflected in this table, maybe someone (manager ) should tell them they won't be paid so no need to spew 50 posts a day.

The spreadsheet is the first signature campaign that was made by stake.com https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5092506.0 and recently he closed the signature campaign.

This campaign is currently closed.

But for the new signature campaign https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110093.0 he hasn't include a spreadsheet.

[marlboroza]

Anyone likes Ice cream?

My favorite flavor is cookies and cream,
And the most unusual flavor that I heard is chilli flavor but I haven't tried it yet.

This one is even better, 87 posts yesterday, mostly one liners in local board and only 1 post in gambling section, surprisingly, they are shilling hard for Stake in Stake's thread:

I definitely recommend stake.com. Why ?. Because the prime dice game is great and almost addictive. If you want to have quality and a good time, definitely visit stake.com.

This reminds me of "buy waves because ethereum is different than ethereum classic" post 

[deisik]

Anyone likes Ice cream?

My favorite flavor is cookies and cream,
And the most unusual flavor that I heard is chilli flavor but I haven't tried it yet.

This one is even better, 87 posts yesterday, mostly one liners in local board and only 1 post in gambling section

Why do I not see him tagged as a signature spammer yet?

[asche]

Why do I not see him tagged as a signature spammer yet?

Maybe because it is hardly a valid reason to tag someone...

But maybe you are referring to the spreadsheet?

[morvillz7z]

I guess he's angry he got tagged as a sig spammer by Lucius for making huge amount of posts per week.

Obviously, there are much worse spammers out there and no one is tagging them (deisik you can do it yourself) for spamming i.e accounts mentioned by marlboroza.

[marlboroza]

Why do I not see him tagged as a signature spammer yet?

Well, xvids's post technically isn't spam because it is posted in Off-Topic in thread about Ice cream  

ripplecanavari on the other hand is spamming and this is spam burst:




...and should be handled by moderator.

[asche]

Why do I not see him tagged as a signature spammer yet?

Well, xvids's post technically isn't spam because it is posted in Off-Topic in thread about Ice cream  

ripplecanavari on the other hand is spamming and this is spam burst:




...and should be handled by moderator.

Reporting these as well. Let's hope they get removed before payday.

[coinlocket$]

Well, I have no comment about this, a scammer opened a thread and right after the spam started I don't know how these users posting without looking Op posthistory and feedbacks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5129519.new#new

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