nutildah got red trust recent hours. Is the red trust fairly for him?

[notocactus]

Today, I found that one of the most constructive user, nutildah got red trust.
His red trust left by iCEBREAKER, who really really hate Bitcoin Cash, Monero, and DASH projects.

nutildah's profile page
nutildah's Trust profile

Nudilah is a Dash shill who apologies for Evan's massive Instamine (see his buttkissing Trust entry) and spreads FAKE NEWS about competing projects (see Reference link).
Nudilah also viciously attacks the motivations of people questioning multi-year delay of Dash's previously announced i2p and Masternode Blinding features.

I don't want to distract to their differences in standpoints of those projects, my question is simple"
Is the red trust a kind of Trust Abusement?
Yesterday, Hhampuz created his topic on Positive/Neutral Trust

theymos' guide on leaving feedback

On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this, but here are some guidelines:
- List all of the trades that you do with people (or at least the major ones). This is not like #bitcoin-otc where you give people just one score.
- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.
- Older ratings count for more, so don't delete old ratings if you can avoid it.
- "Risked BTC" is how much money you could have lost if the person you're rating had turned out to be a scammer. Or, if they are a scammer, it's how much you lost. Use the BTC value at the time of reporting.
- It's OK to post a rating about the person in general, not tied to a specific trade.
- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

This one is not official guide on how to leave positive/ negative trust, but it can be used for reference.
This guide is not a pefect one, so I thought it is time for theymos and DT members to create official guide on criteria to leave negative/ positive feedback. Which kinds of violations will lead to red trust, something like that should be discussed more.
We already have forum rules, so why not have rules for Trust feedback?

GUIDE ON LEAVING POSITIVE/NEGATIVE FEEDBACKS

LEAVE POSITIVE FEEDBACK     1. For Successful receiver of paid signature allocations. 2. For Successful trade such as escrow, loan, buying/selling of goods & services. 3. To users dedicating their time to fight scam project and fake icos. 4. To users dedicating their time/skills to improve forum. [optional] 5. If you trust users.

DON'T LEAVE POSITIVE FEEDBACK     1. For successful account farming. 2. For successful merit farming/swapping. 3. For successful trust farming/swapping. 4. Based on other users feedbacks, they could be wrong. 5. Without valid evidence. [optional]

LEAVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACKS     1. For attempted or succesful fraud or theft. 2. For account farming & taking. 3. For merit farming/swapping. 4. For trust farming/swapping. 5. For abuse of bounty/airdrop/giveaways/merit/trust/escrow. 6. For offering escrow without a track record. 7. For providing fake or insufficient collateral & late loan repayments or loan defaults. 8. For trades (Lending or borrowing) to gain "reputation". 10. For shilling/advertising MLM or ponzi. 11. For scam, fake ICOs & other projects. 12. For selling gambling scripts/Spreading malware. 13. For constant fund or merit begging. 14. For leaving fake negative feedbacks. 15. For fake translations and hacked account.

DON'T LEAVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACKS     1. Based on other users feedbacks, they could be wrong. 2. For posting an unpopular opinion. 3. For owning an alt account. 4. For promoting altcoins or other projects. 5. For criticizing others and religious statements. 6. Without reference or it'll be considered fake or an accusation. 7. For disliking or disagree with user statements. 8. For violation of common forum rules such as Ban evasion, plagiarism, copy and paste, excessive thread bumping, harassment, trolling etc unless on rare occasions. 9. For anything without solid evidence or very strong circumstantial evidence. Note: Don't turn leaving of negative feedbacks into a job or hobby, only leave one when necessary.

Personally, I think this one is Trust abusement.[/list][/list][/list][/list]

[cryptohunter]

Today, I found that one of the most constructive user, nutildah got red trust.
His red trust left by iCEBREAKER, who really really hate Bitcoin Cash, Monero, and DASH projects.

nutildah's profile page
nutildah's Trust profile

Nudilah is a Dash shill who apologies for Evan's massive Instamine (see his buttkissing Trust entry) and spreads FAKE NEWS about competing projects (see Reference link).
Nudilah also viciously attacks the motivations of people questioning multi-year delay of Dash's previously announced i2p and Masternode Blinding features.

I don't want to distract to their differences in standpoints of those projects, my question is simple"
Is the red trust a kind of Trust Abusement?
Yesterday, Hhampuz created his topic on Positive/Neutral Trust

Personally, I think this one is Trust abusement.

NO he deserves it. He is a dirty scheme pusher and a snake. Totally a dangerous member.

If suchmoon says people pushing "possible " scams are worthy of red trust then he is 100%

The fact you are defending this red trust when there are FAR FAR more questionable red trusts given out by Proven scum is telling on your account.
Are you its ALT or something? what is your particular concern with this member?

This is why NOOB members should not be in the trust system at all. They have no idea of the history here.

HIS RED TRUST IS GIVEN FOR

SUPPORTING AND PROTECTING AND SHILLING FOR A PROVEN SCAM.  Suchmoon says even those promoting a "possible" scam need red trust. 

[bL4nkcode]

Forum's trust issues can be discussed in reputation board, please move it there instead.

[notocactus]

I saw his case by chance.
He listed in my club, there:

Update:

CLUB OF ABOVE 250 MERITS-EARNED

Rank	User name	BPIP profile	Total Earned-Merits	Trust
Legendary	nutildah	nutildah	329	0: 0 / +0

Nutildah has currently ranked at the 116th position in the list of most merited profiles on BPIP.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

This is how I am seeing nutildah’s trust score 

Trust:   5: -0 / +2

[notocactus]

Really?
This is what I saw, temporarily, on the profile page of nutildah.
Trust:   -1: -1 / +1

[TryNinja]

Really?
This is what I saw, temporarily, on the profile page of nutildah.
Trust:   -1: -1 / +1

You don't have a custom trust list, so you see his trust based on DT feedbacks (iCEBREAKER's DT2 negative feedback).

This is how I am seeing nutildah’s trust score  

Trust:   5: -0 / +2

Meanwhile, you have a custom trust list. I don't know which feedback you see, but you have someone on your list's Depth 1 or 2 that left him a positive feedback.

[sheenshane]

Forum's trust issues can be discussed in reputation board, please move it there instead.

I also confused why on this speculation board this thread was posted it is must on reputation.

And this is what I have seen on nutildah's profile.
Trust:   0: -0 / +1

Maybe each one of us has a different view on trust ratings depends on how we costume with it.

[Findingnemo]

I also confused why on this speculation board this thread was posted it is must on reputation.

And this is what I have seen on nutildah's profile.
Trust:   0: -0 / +1

Maybe each one of us has a different view on trust ratings depends on how we costume with it.

Having trust score of  0: -0 / +1 really not possible.

If you don't trust the feedback of ICEBREAKER then just simple add (~) before his name on your trust list,case closed.

[TryNinja]

Like I said above, nutildah has a negative feedback based on DT (Default Trust). If you have a custom trust list, you may not see it in the same way.

Having trust score of  0: -0 / +1 really not possible.

Why wouldn't it be? The "trust score" increases with time. A positive feedback (made today by Hhampuz) isn't going to score you any trust score. That's why the first digit is a 0.

[Findingnemo]

Having trust score of  0: -0 / +1 really not possible.

Why wouldn't it be? The "trust score" increases with time. A positive feedback (made today by Hhampuz) isn't going to score you any trust score. That's why the first digit is a 0.

Possible meh?

I though when someone got positive feedback from DT member they must attain trust score as well,atleast one.Because on many cases I have seen people with 1: -0 / +1 , but no profiles with zero trust score while having positive feedback.

[coinlocket$]

This one is not official guide on how to leave positive/ negative trust, but it can be used for reference.

Sorry for OT.
I don't think we can quote this guide since is made from one people outside the network, also I disagree with some of his guideline points.

For nutildah's situation, I'm reading the history of his feedback.

[TryNinja]

I though when someone got positive feedback from DT member they must attain trust score as well,atleast one.

Where? You must be talking about the risked amount. That's not necessary and only means something to the score when it increases (with time).

Example:

- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

For the score number (the first 0):

The first number is the user's trust score calculated based on how consistently they've received positive feedback. Probably no one will get a score above 0 until the system has been around for at least a month. The second number is the number of reported scams. The third number increases with the number of positive reports, as does the fourth number in parenthesis, though the fourth number is more resistant to abuse. This text changes color depending on the score. Users with a negative score (attainable through scamming) get a red warning attached to their posts.

It's not only possible to have a score of 0 for a few days after the trust was placed, but when the system was implemented, everybody had a score of 0 because it requires time to increase.

[coinlocket$]

This is how I am seeing nutildah’s trust score 

Trust:   5: -0 / +2

Just add ;dt to ignore your trust list so

trust https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=317618;dt
profile https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317618;dt

now from these links you shoud see -1 -1 +1

[notocactus]

For nutildah's situation, I'm reading the history of his feedback.

I waited for your final personal judgement on the case of nutildah as well as from others DT members.
Trust System is too complicated to me.
To be honest, I don't care too much about the Trust System, because I don't run services, and make deal with others here.
And, I only feel really trust someone when they have big amount of Trust points, above +30.
Too little positive or negative trust points might be abused, so should not be taken into consideration, seriously.
Despite of my limited understandings on Trust system, I still felt that current Red Trust on nutildah is a wrong one.
It's something like personal assasination. 

[TECSHARE]

For nutildah's situation, I'm reading the history of his feedback.

I waited for your final personal judgement on the case of nutildah as well as from others DT members.
Trust System is too complicated to me.
To be honest, I don't care too much about the Trust System, because I don't run services, and make deal with others here.
And, I only feel really trust someone when they have big amount of Trust points, above +30.
Too little positive or negative trust points might be abused, so should not be taken into consideration, seriously.
Despite of my limited understandings on Trust system, I still felt that current Red Trust on nutildah is a wrong one.
It's something like personal assasination. 

Given that Nutilda actively supports this kind of trust rating for everyone else, I don't see any issues here. I would be happy to reconsider my position if Nutilda can explain why this rating is invalid though.

[suchmoon]

Given that Nutilda actively supports this kind of trust rating for everyone else, I don't see any issues here. I would be happy to reconsider my position if Nutilda can explain why this rating is invalid though.

Aren't we glad to have TECSHARE in DT, what with the new "standards^*" he's advocating?


^* - doesn't apply to TECSHARE or his trust list.

[notocactus]

Please focus on the case of nutildah, because I really want to known that this case is Trust abusement or not.
If it is trust abusement, the case should be use in official guideline to leave + / - trust feedback.
Criteria to leave positive feedbacks, as well as criteria to leave negative feedbacks.
With official criteria for Trust Feedback, the forum might be cleaner due to less topics created to complain about their red trust.

[S_Therapist]

Having trust score of  0: -0 / +1 really not possible.

Why wouldn't it be? The "trust score" increases with time. A positive feedback (made today by Hhampuz) isn't going to score you any trust score. That's why the first digit is a 0.

Possible meh?

I though when someone got positive feedback from DT member they must attain trust score as well,atleast one.Because on many cases I have seen people with 1: -0 / +1 , but no profiles with zero trust score while having positive feedback.

Initial trust score after getting the feedback remains 0, it gets +1 after each 30 days passed.
Read more here- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5069647.msg47920887#msg47920887


Liked how people are getting into custom trust list. Lately, it's working. Maybe after couple of months people will be more aware of it and build custom trust list.

[Hhampuz]

I countered the negative that iCEBREAKER left for nutildah as it seems to be nothing more than arguments and a difference of opinions. I don't know nutildah any more than them being a participant in my campaign but when I read up on it I figured that was the best way to go. I also asked nutildah to remove the negative feedback they had left for iCEBREAKER since at that point it only becomes a back and forth where everyone will lose.