marcotheminer

[marcotheminer]

If I were to have tagged him for anything, it would be promoting a Ponzi in his sig space.

For promoting Ponzi on signature space Marco tagged by Suchmoon and other DT. But later they gave him a chance and all DT removed negative trust which has been given for promoting Ponzi.

Come to think of it, you're promoting a likely money laundering vessel. You're getting set pay.

Do I attack you personally for that? This is still Bitcoin. That arbitrage bot COULD still be real. Yeah, it's typically like HYIPs, but it shows proof I accept. DYOR.

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NO LONGER SEEKING LOANS (1Month)
I received the expected 0.3BTC, so that's a month of income right there.

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The only thread needed, let's quit the bullshit pun threads, drama threads, and on going stupidity. Rather, let's try to have a legitimate/civilised conversation.

I tried to take a 0.33 BTC loan: am I a scammer?
I was 1 week late on 2 loans: am I a scammer?
I "acted" suspicious (what does that even mean - everyone in Crypto acts suspicious one can argue): am I scammer?

I'll address all the questions you have. At the end of the day what I want is rectification of negative trust, in my opinion placed VERY prematurely and it came entirely following the rep. thread by Roman.

Let's use the forum as it's meant to be used, and avoid abusing the trust system based on your "feelings" or "suspicions" or "clairvoyance" or "scammer-finding-abilities".

I realise it'll take some time for me to be seen as trusted once again, but it's puzzling enough right? 1 week late on repayment and a larger-than-usual loan request and "change in my so-called behavior" = forum account destroyed.

We quickly see who is genuine and who is just on a power trip. So let's discuss, and let's try keeping biases at the door.

The trusts WERE warranted, yes. Though in my and some others' opinions (INCLUDING ROMAN) they aren't deserving of being permanent.

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Negatives left by these members:
The Pharmacist: This member is proving himself to be untrustworthy as far as taking loans go, and I'll review this feedback if and when he pays back the loan from the reference thread.

marlboroza: Not repaying loan on time. Don't give this user no collateral loan.
 
mikeywith: pending loan , late for repayment , not his first time. do not lend him anything.
mikeywith (changed to neutral): this user is known for being late on loan repayment, long story short he is untrustworthy.
My comment to this change: A good change, thank you but still a bit over the top of a statement: "known for [...]" and "long story short [...]"..

suchmoon: Failing to repay a loan, again.

DireWolfM14: marcotheminer was twice late to repay loans, but it's his arrogance and deceit during the process that forces me to warn others about his behavior.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5116545.0;all

Lauda: Late to repay multiple loans among other things and tried to justify his behavior. Avoid lending to this user or dealing with him/her unless you want trouble.

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Right. Let me add too: if my account stays as it is or if it reverts to how it was nothing really changes. People who trust me will continue to do so. People who only trust me because of a reputation number, will not deal with me (that was already the case from BadBear/Mitchell trusts). (hopefully these members begin to realise, this number is easily manipulated for BOTH good and for bad, and look through it onto more meaningful reputation metrics).

I will continue to use the forum for business/services/trades/lending/discussion/you name it; as I have done these past 6 years, a scammer tag won't change that and won't change my ability to successfully cooperate with other members.

That being said: it is still a pain and I would rather it not remain as it is, for the numerous reasons I've outlined.

[cabalism13]

As I have seen your Trust History, there were a lot of feedbacks regarding your trades, many of it has been made neutral ( in which only means they have forgiven you in the past and given you chances to redeem your self and reputation ) But as you have failed again with Roman, I think the Red Tag is appropriate, though I'm only against of many DTs tagging you. Maybe 2-3 DTs tagging you for the same reason is enough though.

Anyways, all in all, -ve will stay as it is, as for it is a warning for the lenders. No harsh feelings mate.

[shasan]

See all the topic regarding you. What you are thinking the same thing will people say in multiple places? Why you are not convincing on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122070.0

[The Cryptovator]

Multiple thread open against you about lent amount. I am suspecting you are doing same like Ponzi Scheme, just noticed from this thread. Its look like you are borrowing from someone and that amount using to repay your previous lender. Not is it? I can't see any other reason to ask multiple loan at the same time since you have active loan.

However, just imagine perhaps you are in personal problem and that's why you need loan. But really you are unable to handle lender. At least you should pay their interest amount in order to extend your loan duration or you have to convince anyhow. You repaid lent amount after get tag. Who know you will repay or not that's why DT's tag you since you had not convince lender during timeframe. So obviously you did wrong and which is consider untrustworthy activity. May be DT not removing your tag in order to warn community about your untrustworthy behaviour. Perhaps they could revise your feedback's later on or they will not, who know ?

Feedback's should remain at least for few days in my opinion. Repaid after get tag isn't prove that you are trustworthy.

[shasan]

Multiple thread open against you about lent amount. I am suspecting you are doing same like Ponzi Scheme, just noticed from this thread.

He is not only acting like a Ponzi scheme. He was a Ponzi promoter: https://archive.fo/yWXB7#selection-545.0-567.92 Last time he got negative trust and DT reconsider and gave him/her a chance.

[NeuroticFish]

am I scammer?

I guess that right now nobody knows for sure.
But if this is your real account you should know as good as I do that in this forum there are plenty of scammers and people are extremely wary right now, so a "better safe than sorry" strategy is to be expected.

[Roman1974]

First of all sorry for my english
Really i have diferents opinions on my head about marco.
Im really new on lending, but old on forum, and very old on online biz, where need see if scammers try to fuck me.
The true i have seeing lots of diferents ways of scam.
Most pay his debt in time, all perfect so his reputation its so good, obviously little debts, when have good reputation take bigger debts and dissapear ( most never answer).
But i see many that do the same but answer answer and answer but not pay again (strange why answer) but do it, perphas to win time and while your patient its here he continue scam.
When he unpaid me always had good comunication with me, so he always said i answer so ill not scam, for me its not sure will not scam for answer, as i explained.

Resuming i lived tons of difernts way of be for scam.

Sitting cold here what i see its that i send money to marco, that he pay late, but pay with good % and always answer me, so perphas had problems
 
Im really dont understand why someone can be so stupid, to prepare a bigger scam, and do this shit to fuck his account.

So if i see the facts, looks a good man with problems.

But in the other way, looks strange things, and now if i send him money again, why he will repay? his account its fact, and here on the forum with non collateral, in my opinion the ony small guarantee we have its not loose our good and old account.

I have been years as everybody can see on spanish section, now i started here, would like to say thx very much community for all your help.
in all i can ill help community too, as im some newbie on work on this forum i opened alerting when he not paid on time, to try just alert, thinking its good for all of us
thx again, and sorry again for my horrible english

[Thule]

Also the claim of exit scam leaks a bit.
He spents so many B on interrests of all his loans that the profit of an possible exit scam would be marginal in the longrun.

Multiple thread open against you about lent amount. I am suspecting you are doing same like Ponzi Scheme, just noticed from this thread. Its look like you are borrowing from someone and that amount using to repay your previous lender. Not is it? I can't see any other reason to ask multiple loan at the same time since you have active loan.

How does it come that at some members/websites you demand full proof to take actions and on some members you act on personal opinion with no proof at all.

[asche]

Dear all

I just read this thread with increasing interest.
While marco made a mistake, repaying late, and not handling the business professionally maybe the reaction is a bit harsh. Let's have a look at the facts:

• He repaid late
• He was difficult to contact for the lender
• The lender hasn't left him a negative
• The lender left him a positive rating

If we now compare the situation to a "traditional" market place like ebay or alike, it wouldn't be possible to leave a negative for the business handled by others.

The negatives he received are not wrong per so but some are a bit harsh and not as factual as they should in my opinion

This member is proving himself to be untrustworthy as far as taking loans go, and I'll review this feedback if and when he pays back the loan from the reference thread.

I would invite The Pharmacist to review his feedback and state that the repayment, while late was paid. Choosing Neutral or Red is of little importance.

Failing to repay a loan, again.

Why not be more specific and say it was a late repayment. With this feedback you will let people think he actually completely defaulted on the loan which he didn't (unless I missed something).

A fair warning is let potential lenders know he is often repaying late, but he actually is repaying (until now). Why overreach?
Going any further is doing harm he doesn't deserve in my opinion.

Posting a double here for reference, as the discussion seems to go on over here.

[Quickseller]

I think this is a good example as to why those who don’t participate in the marketplace have no business in the DT system.

[cryptohunter]

suchmoon is terrified of any kind of real debate

she deleted this for being "trolling" haha

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He paid it back - with obscene interest albeit late.= neutral with warning " paid but late, perhaps stick to small loans sub 0.5 btc to be on the safe side"

I don't think it was cool to lose contact with the lender though at any point. That can be stressful. However, would anyone destroy a legend account for this tiny amount?

I mean you lend with no collateral then you will expect some stress now and then right? hence why you get insane interest.
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Suchmoon willing to give those implicated in extortions  benefit of the doubt and even include them in her trust list lol

suchmoon willing to look the other with proven liars  includes them in her trust list

Suchmoon willing to promote and sanction the actions of those caught red handed racist trolling under puppet accounts to sig spam for extra btc dust includes them in her trust list

Suchmoon basically willing to give any "pals" a get out of jail free card for proven lying, scamming, greedy sneaky actions and trust abuse

suchmoron

[DireWolfM14]

suchmoon is terrified of any kind of real debate

Real debate, huh?  Just like your understanding of "facts?"  You wouldn't know a "real debate" if that was the name of a pit bull latched on to your ass. 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I think this is a good example as to why those who don’t participate in the marketplace have no business in the DT system.

Who are you referring to, exactly?  And why is it you think someone who hasn't been involved in this particular marketplace on this particular forum is so inexperienced in life and/or trading that they're unable to notice someone stringing a lender along and acting in a reprehensible manner?  That is a ridiculously illogical conclusion, and it's nothing more than a veiled attempt to throw a pebble at the DT system.

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TL;DR

[cryptohunter]

suchmoon is terrified of any kind of real debate

Real debate, huh?  Just like your understanding of "facts?"  You wouldn't know a "real debate" if that was the name of a pit bull latched on to your ass.  

Dire posting Wolf boy again managing to

1. feltch suchmoon hoping for some merit scraps.
2. sig spam his "highly paid sig"
3. allow me to highlight this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5118173.msg50066731#msg50066731

thanks come tell me more about these " opposite of facts"  lol

Back to flipping those burgers wolf boy.

[Thule]

Real debate, huh?  Just like your understanding of "facts?"  You wouldn't know a "real debate" if that was the name of a pit bull latched on to your ass.

Says an abuser and merit whore who posts false feedbacks.
But you know what i give you the chance to proof your negative feedback to be legit here

being called out as having an alt that was used to scam.

Please show me my alt which has scammed people on which i have been called out.

[marcotheminer]

I think this is a good example as to why those who don’t participate in the marketplace have no business in the DT system.

Perfect example, and it hasn't even been the first to come by..

[DireWolfM14]

Real debate, huh?  Just like your understanding of "facts?"  You wouldn't know a "real debate" if that was the name of a pit bull latched on to your ass.

Says an abuser and merit whore who posts false feedbacks.
But you know what i give you the chance to proof your negative feedback to be legit here

being called out as having an alt that was used to scam.

Please show me my alt which has scammed people on which i have been called out.

This one: ito-marketing.  Now read my words carefully.  I didn't say you attempted to scam, I said you retaliated for being called out as having an alt that used to scam.  You may argue that ito-marketing didn't attempt to scam anyone, but in my opinion attempted manipulation of the DT system is an attempt to scam. 

[bones261]

I think this is a good example as to why those who don’t participate in the marketplace have no business in the DT system.

Perfect example, and it hasn't even been the first to come by..

Meh, like our activity on Bitcointalk encompasses our whole life experience.  Whatever.

[marcotheminer]

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Keep this to a relevant thread, thanks.

[Hhampuz]

What I can see you have a tag that says "Trade with extreme caution" and negative trust for being late on loans, I'm not seeing anything about you being a scammer? Unless you are saying that negatives are only for scammers? Sorry have not been involved in this so just trying to understand.

EDIT; I think most people that gave you negative are reasonable users that may remove or revise the rating at a later time. Although it's not been too long yet.