Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit

[jademaxsuy]

Well everyone can give you feedback and trust rating. This is not controlled by admin but it can be reviewed actually and since you are posting this then this might reach to admin. Just hope that the only admin theymos is not busy around checking a lot of concerns and maintaining forum free from any forms of harm and keeping it safe for every users.

Anyway, I do not see any abuses for now from the DT excrpt if the user has posted a shady post that looks like a scam posts and it is their discretion on whatever decision they will going to make. So, better to stay away from.the likes of the post that look scam.

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[OgNasty]

Vod, I will donate 1 BTC to BPIP.org if you can post one legitimate PM of me offering you NastyMining shares as payment for your site sponsorship like you claim.  If Vod's not a liar, he'll do it, right?

Seems only fair you put up 1 BTC for me to do so, right?  It’s clear now everything you said about me was a lie. Put up the 1 BTC and make it seem like there’s no basis for my opinion.

For the record, I would much prefer that Vod apologizes for the comments he's made about me in this thread, removes the trust abuse, and we move forward like grown adults as opposed to turning this situation into a more drama filled jury trial with our peers.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50652615#msg50652615

You are a liar.   Anything that you post after that comment is a fight you started.  

Vod, I will prove that I am not a liar and my opinions in the comment you linked are true.

I would rather you apologized and stopped abusing the trust system.  Last chance.


By the way... Everyone can see you started this drama with the below lie.  Anything posted after the below comment is a fight you started.  

Here's an example of the trust system's stupid shit.  Last of the V8s claims I scammed 2,100 BTC.  This is untrue, and yet some of the con-artists on DT have actually included this moron.  

Reminds me of when, years ago, I initially PMed you about including the moron Quickseller in your DT2 trust list.

You promptly told me he had done nothing wrong to you.  

So why the hypocrisy here?   "Last of the V8s" has done nothing wrong to everyone else... :/

[The-One-Above-All]

I do not think we should be terming this legitimate illustration of the very short comings of the trust system DRAMA. These are observable instances of failure and abuse that put the entire board at increased risk, and destroy the cohesion of the entire community. If all the energy fighting for  fair treatment and simple justice, was directed to positive projects to further awareness and push forward adoption of decentralized projects, we may all get what we hope for much sooner.

Nothing is more stupid than having a TRUST system where observable scammers on DT get to red trust honest members to prevent them whistle blowing on them, whilst their "alts and friends" get to back them up, or excuse it.

 The fact the trust system is now based upon a merit system where a tiny fraction of the board cycle it to each other. Those that give each other the most merits are the most trustworthy, stands to reason right?. What more can be said. A huge proportion of DT members are observably totally untrustworthy and observably sneaky and greedy when it comes to financial matters. Nobody can even deny it? they just claim the truth does not interest them, don't want to get involved (only too eager to get involved in everyone else business) and when pushed to comment they say that: it is good when innocent people get red trust, because it makes people more aware.

The double standards is quite fun to point out, but highly damaging to new members.

It is not enjoyable to watch the board being taken over by an observably shady bunch and the resulting "drama" of all those innocent persons fighting for fair treatment. Observable double standards will end up crushing this entire community. Makes the entire environment look shady and manipulated. You only need a newbie to see evidence of a DT members scamming,  lying, implicated in a serious extortion attempt or punishing people for things they have done themselves and that's it, they will assume the entire board is shady. Rightly so.

EDIT - since making the above post it looks like the user VOD has given me additional red trust?  I think this demonstrates clearly more attempts at silencing anyone that mentions observable events this group of untrustworthy individuals wants to remain hidden. This is a fantastic trust system. Works brilliantly for scammers and liars.
 

[bones261]

EDIT - since making the above post it looks like the user VOD has given me additional red trust?  I think this demonstrates clearly more attempts at silencing anyone that mentions observable events this group of untrustworthy individuals wants to remain hidden. This is a fantastic trust system. Works brilliantly for scammers and liars.
 

   Well, if the purpose is to silence people with red trust, the strategy is obviously not working. It seems making a red trust comment against many people makes the recipients more vocal than ever.

[The-One-Above-All]

EDIT - since making the above post it looks like the user VOD has given me additional red trust?  I think this demonstrates clearly more attempts at silencing anyone that mentions observable events this group of untrustworthy individuals wants to remain hidden. This is a fantastic trust system. Works brilliantly for scammers and liars.
 

   Well, if the purpose is to silence people with red trust, the strategy is obviously not working. It seems making a red trust comment against many people makes the recipients more vocal than ever.

A limited mind could see it that way.

Perhaps they hope it will serve as a lesson to others not to replicate the mistake of mentioning observable events from their past? and discourage further incidents of speaking the truth.

Vod seems to have been accused of many terrible things , by several members. We will investigate those for him shortly in his own thread, and if they appear untrue under scrutiny, we will be glad to see him cleared of such nasty accusations.

The strategy has a success rate that can only be speculated on, but unless you view red trust as a reward, or endorsement, then you are perhaps capable of understanding that red trust has serious implications for free speech.

[Vod]

EDIT - since making the above post it looks like the user VOD has given me additional red trust?  I think this demonstrates clearly more attempts at silencing anyone that mentions observable events this group of untrustworthy individuals wants to remain hidden. This is a fantastic trust system. Works brilliantly for scammers and liars.

I left you the trust last night, before your post.  Pay closer attention. 

I think it demonstrates I don't respect people who don't respect what they post.  

If you don't believe your words, why should I?

I'm not trying to silence a coward in any way.   Post on to your heart's delight.

 

Vod, I will prove that I am not a liar and my opinions in the comment you linked are true.

Great!

[The-One-Above-All]

EDIT - since making the above post it looks like the user VOD has given me additional red trust?  I think this demonstrates clearly more attempts at silencing anyone that mentions observable events this group of untrustworthy individuals wants to remain hidden. This is a fantastic trust system. Works brilliantly for scammers and liars.

I think it demonstrates I don't respect people who don't respect what they post.  

If you don't believe your words, why should I?

I'm not trying to silence a coward in any way.   Post on to your heart's delight.

 

Vod, I will prove that I am not a liar and my opinions in the comment you linked are true.

Great!

We did not notice it before (perhaps it can be confirmed when you left the red) either way let us continue..

Can you present our words that you do not believe? we will in public debate them with you now?

Can you present your proof that we are an ALT of anyone?
Can you present your proof that even if we were an alt of anyone (we are not) then that clearly demonstrates we do not believe our own words?


Your respect is not require, and certainly not desired. I think it best not to be associated with you in anyway at all.

Please present proof of your accusations?  EVEN if we were  an alt account of anyone (we are not) You need proof to establish this. Then again you do not perhaps have the capacity to realize that some members (not us) may consider it the only safe way to speak the truth ?when people like yourself abuse the trust system?  So again your reasoning is flawed, and demonstrates the larger problem here for free speech. Thanks for assisting us.

Seems that you wish to red trust any member that presents truths you do not wish to be made public?

If that is not the case, please present now the parts of our posts you wish to dispute as false, those parts you do not believe?

Coward? would that not be more a suitable title for someone that takes advantage of perhaps vulnerable (age) groups ? Do you know any one like that? Perhaps we have overlooked individuals like that, and need to take a closer look, to examine in public what kind of deviant people we are dealing with here in positions of trust?

[bones261]

EDIT - since making the above post it looks like the user VOD has given me additional red trust?  I think this demonstrates clearly more attempts at silencing anyone that mentions observable events this group of untrustworthy individuals wants to remain hidden. This is a fantastic trust system. Works brilliantly for scammers and liars.
 

   Well, if the purpose is to silence people with red trust, the strategy is obviously not working. It seems making a red trust comment against many people makes the recipients more vocal than ever.

A limited mind could see it that way.

Perhaps they hope it will serve as a lesson to others not to replicate the mistake of mentioning observable events from their past? and discourage further incidents of speaking the truth.

Vod seems to have been accused of many terrible things , by several members. We will investigate those for him shortly in his own thread, and if they appear untrue under scrutiny, we will be glad to see him cleared of such nasty accusations.

The strategy has a success rate that can only be speculated on, but unless you view red trust as a reward, or endorsement, then you are perhaps capable of understanding that red trust has serious implications for free speech.

Actually, upon doing some research, theymos implemented the scammer tag system to ensure free speech.

edit: who determines this?

Administrators.

It would be awesome to make the scammer mark invisible to the scammer so they keep on longer than optimal with the same account.

The idea is to give them an opportunity to defend themselves or make things right. I have removed the status a couple of times after the users paid back their victims.

I instituted this system because people were pressuring me a lot to ban scammers, which I was unwilling to do. I do not want to be the final arbiter in these matters. So I created this status to warn potential victims without preventing the scammer from defending himself.

People marked as scammers are also unable to delete/edit any of their posts or modify their profiles, and their IP addresses are banned from creating new accounts.

You should be grateful that the trust system morphed from the old scammer tag system. You can now have a bazillion negative trust comments and not only be allowed to continue to post, but now the red trust recipient is free to create as many alt accounts as they like, modify their profiles and edit/delete posts.

[The-One-Above-All]

EDIT - since making the above post it looks like the user VOD has given me additional red trust?  I think this demonstrates clearly more attempts at silencing anyone that mentions observable events this group of untrustworthy individuals wants to remain hidden. This is a fantastic trust system. Works brilliantly for scammers and liars.
 

   Well, if the purpose is to silence people with red trust, the strategy is obviously not working. It seems making a red trust comment against many people makes the recipients more vocal than ever.

A limited mind could see it that way.

Perhaps they hope it will serve as a lesson to others not to replicate the mistake of mentioning observable events from their past? and discourage further incidents of speaking the truth.

Vod seems to have been accused of many terrible things , by several members. We will investigate those for him shortly in his own thread, and if they appear untrue under scrutiny, we will be glad to see him cleared of such nasty accusations.

The strategy has a success rate that can only be speculated on, but unless you view red trust as a reward, or endorsement, then you are perhaps capable of understanding that red trust has serious implications for free speech.

Actually, upon doing some research, theymos implemented the scammer tag system to ensure free speech.

edit: who determines this?

Administrators.

It would be awesome to make the scammer mark invisible to the scammer so they keep on longer than optimal with the same account.

The idea is to give them an opportunity to defend themselves or make things right. I have removed the status a couple of times after the users paid back their victims.

I instituted this system because people were pressuring me a lot to ban scammers, which I was unwilling to do. I do not want to be the final arbiter in these matters. So I created this status to warn potential victims without preventing the scammer from defending himself.

People marked as scammers are also unable to delete/edit any of their posts or modify their profiles, and their IP addresses are banned from creating new accounts.

You should be grateful that the trust system morphed from the old scammer tag system. You can now have a bazillion negative trust comments and not only be allowed to continue to post, but now the red trust recipient is free to create as many alt accounts as they like, modify their profiles and edit/delete posts.

That detracts from nothing that I have just posted. Your post is also strange. Most people wearing tags now would not need wear them under the old system.

The trust and merit systems crush free speech and create an echo chamber. Merit is the carrot, Red trust is the stick.  It is foolish to dispute the implications.

EDIT - VOD seems to have run away like a coward? seems it can not present any evidence ?  where are the examples of our posts he does not believe?

[marcotheminer]

More dumb shit. Users even block PM's to avoid having their trust-bombed victims message them. Look at my account people - fucking bullshit all the way through.

[Vod]

More dumb shit. Users even block PM's to avoid having their trust-bombed victims message them. Look at my account people - fucking bullshit all the way through.

I haven't blocked you Marco, as I still see a ray of hope for you.

You keep PMing me to "reconsider" your trust, but you don't provide any new information. 

11 different people have left you negative feedback and instead of seeing that, you just call us all bullshitters.  :/  No wonder they ignore you.

Get your act together before you PM asking for more chances, ok?

[OgNasty]

Vod, I will prove that I am not a liar and my opinions in the comment you linked are true.

Great!

I gave Vod multiple opportunities to apologize and put this behind us, even saying that was my preference.  From Vod's first comment on the thread starting this fight, to his refusal to issue a simple apology for his lies, it was clear he asked for me to provide him with a justification for my words.  I am now doing so at his request against my wishes.

Vod, you are a liar and owe me an apology.  Here's your proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576

I hope you read that first PM you sent to all DT1 members back in 2015, and recognize just how far your attitude has strayed from when you were trusted with such a responsibility.

[Vod]

Vod, you are a liar and owe me an apology.  Here's your proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576

So many words and no proof that I ever sent PM(s)  "telling me that you'd add me to your distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller and if I did you would add me to your trust list"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50652615#msg50652615

You are a liar.   

[OgNasty]

Vod, you are a liar and owe me an apology.  Here's your proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576

So many words and no proof that I ever sent PM(s)

I'm sure an Administrator could verify that all of the messages I quoted from you are from legitimate Vod PMs.  Keep digging that hole.

[Vod]

Vod, you are a liar and owe me an apology.  Here's your proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576

So many words and no proof that I ever sent PM(s)

I'm sure an Administrator could verify that all of the messages I quoted from you are from legitimate Vod PMs.  Keep digging that hole.

They will have to if you make up the PM that was "telling me that you'd add me to your distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller and if I did you would add me to your trust list"

You can't produce that PM - you are a liar.

[Anduck]

Vod, let me explain it to you (and to others who may feel confused as you shamelessly deny these events...) I use color coding to increase clarity.

So many words and no proof that I ever sent PM(s)  "telling me that you'd add me to your distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller and if I did you would add me to your trust list"

Proof for blue part:

You trust Anduck and Quickseller.  Sorry.

That's your reply to OgNasty's question about being distrusted. Your reply states that the reason for your distrust towards OgNasty is that he trusts Anduck and Quickseller.

Proof for red part:

Anyway, nothing against you.  The mark is to negate trust left To Anduck and Quickseller.

This further clarifies that the only reason for your sudden change from trusted to distrusted is these two ratings, and clearly implies that if those were to go away, trust would be back to what it was: trusted.

Vod you're a documented liar. More lies at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415201.msg39447493#msg39447493

[Vod]

as you shamelessly deny these events...

lol.. not worth reading further.

[marcotheminer]

More dumb shit. Users even block PM's to avoid having their trust-bombed victims message them. Look at my account people - fucking bullshit all the way through.

I haven't blocked you Marco, as I still see a ray of hope for you.

You keep PMing me to "reconsider" your trust, but you don't provide any new information.  

11 different people have left you negative feedback and instead of seeing that, you just call us all bullshitters.  :/  No wonder they ignore you.

Get your act together before you PM asking for more chances, ok?

Ok first off, thank you for being willing to consider. Though understand that most people on this forum can't formulate a genuine opinion/conclusion by themselves so they copy whatever person makes the first move ("oh yeah, that seems right, I second the notion" kind of bullshit). This is not directed to anyone, just a general observation I've made. Next, they stick to their opinions like glue - look into the history of some of my trust-leavers you'll see how arrogant some are (pots calling the kettle black? are we all in the wrong? probably..).

[Zeroxal]

Surely wasn't the type of talking you were doing in Slack the night of the extortion.  Almost comical how much your tune has changed.

Go on then laughing boy, what was the type of talking I was doing? Can you provide some examples? Or should people just believe you because you are the big great OgNasty, that no mere mortal should ever dare question?

You owe me & Zeroxal an apology for your role in supporting the failed extortion attempt as well as the lies you've repeated about me since and denials only show that you think your behavior is acceptable, which it isn't.  

I've never even had anything like extortion suggested with you, so not sure which crevice you're pulling that chestnut from.

I've given you an apology in the past, regarding the way I would personally insult you, which I stood by until you continuously tried to pin me as some sort of criminal or scammer - neither of which I am. Considering that you keep trying to personally disrespect me by spreading lies about me, I'm by no means going to give you any respect. That will be the last, and only apology you get from me.

To Zeroxal: I'm sorry. I'm sorry that the whole thing happened to you, and I'm sorry that you had to go through what you did. And I'm sorry for if I had any part of it. While I know you will never read this, but I hope that you accept my apology and we can put this whole thing (that you seem to have already moved on from, two years ago) behind us.

I appreciate your apology and I accept it Like you stated, I have moved on on this whole thing years ago.

Just bring some light to the whole case from my point of view:

Although minifrij wasn't directly involved with the whole case, he was pretty active on the side of the case. Instead of actively making subjective claims and accusations, he used information he gathered to come to his own conclusion, while still being very communicative with the ones who were directly involved. Hence the simultaneous actions being taken along with TMAN and Lauda within this forum (thread locking, ...). However, I cannot say for sure if he was assisting the others in their extortion attempt or not, but I can recall that while he tried to be as neutral as possible, his messages on slack were rather supportive to the "extortion ring" (might be because of peer pressure).

Although he never accused me directly, he did publish a thread in indirect efforts to ban my account with the reasoning of ban evasion, before locking it again after we tried to settle the case privately instead of making wild accusations throughout the forum... He reopened a thread requesting for me to be banned after I told him that theymos has cleared me of previous rule-breakings, just to have an official proof posted publicly.

Some could say that the possible threat of an account ban proposed by minifrij might be part of the whole extortion. But for me this whole thing has been settled years ago and in my eyes, minifrij has tried to be as neutral as possible in contrast to the others who just tried to hurt my reputation using their "witch hunt" method of scam accusations.

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I can vouch for Og for being very supportive in such a situation while other people who trusted me previously were blinded by those fake accusations. He tried to be objective as possible and tried to cheer me up through the whole witch hunt. People who are still accusing Og for running a ponzi or being a trust abuser are like the witch hunters who tried to hurt me. There is a reason why his trust allows him to be a treasurer of this forum.

[suchmoon]

Ok first off, thank you for being willing to consider. Though understand that most people on this forum can't formulate a genuine opinion/conclusion by themselves so they copy whatever person makes the first move ("oh yeah, that seems right, I second the notion" kind of bullshit). This is not directed to anyone, just a general observation I've made. Next, they stick to their opinions like glue - look into the history of some of my trust-leavers you'll see how arrogant some are (pots calling the kettle black? are we all in the wrong? probably..).

Quit lying marco. I have revised my feedback once as did some others. How many third, fourth, nth chances do you need? Had you stopped fucking around with exit-scam-sized loans you'd still have a positive trust rating. You know you lost your argument when your only defense is to make up an army of straw people. And yes, the overwhelming consensus is that you're wrong but as you said multiple times those ratings don't prevent you from getting loans so why don't you carry on with that and stop whining.