The forum is slowly changing

[Scripture]

Since the price drop last 2017, i did not visit the site very often and just rely on the coins i bought for hold. I temporarily focused on my business while waiting for the market to get back on its feet again. As month goes by, i noticed that the forum is slightly changing in time. Here are the possible cause and effects and i take it as an honor if you correct me if im wrong.

THE GREAT FALL OF MARKET
It all started with this one. Eveyone of us becomes devastated when the market consecutively drops from $14K to $4K in just few months. Some of us stay calm but many panicked and dont know what to do. The market become not that profitable so cryptopeople should find a way to still earn and that comes...


SIGNATURE AND BOUNTY CAMPAIGNS
People needs to survive even with the most difficult situation and one of the solution is to join signature and bounty campaigns which causes...


SPAMMING AND BURST POSTING
Just to achieve its post requirement and earn bigger but thats not end with that, people want more so they need


SMERIT
to have a higher payout. People which is greedy in nature obviously wants a higher payout knowingly it is just the source of income they depend on today. Do you think this is greedy enough? Youre wrong because there's more.


MULTIPLE ACCOUNT
ofcourse you can earn more if you have multiple accounts doing signature campaigns at the same time giving you double or maybe triple profit in just one blow. I know that because of the anonimity, this is possible.


This makes the forum flooded by shitposts that are just made in order to get paid on a campaign. Posts with no sense and doesnt solve the problem unlike before. Things really changed now.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

The change I have notice is decrease in shitposting in boards much attention have been given like boards in the bitcoin subsection unlike before we now have less shitposters spamming those boards. I just hope the same thing can happen to the alternative subsection too, we need more spam busters on the board. That with a little bit of attention to highlight quality posts can improve the post quality in the board. It happened to bitcoin discussion board, it can still happen to alternative subsection boards

[bitart]

The change I have notice is decrease in shitposting in boards much attention have been given like boars in the bitcoin subsection unlike before we now have less shitposters spamming those boards.
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I'm just wondering if reporting has any effect in this situation (that you see less shitposts in the bitcoin section). And also, if there's any effect of the the well advertised reporting badge that will come in the near future sometime

[cryptovigi]

Unfortunately, your evaluation of this forum and the changes that occur on it is overdue by at least a dozen months. Meanwhile, during the year (for which you were late) there were many changes - especially when it comes to the amount of spam and multi-accounts set up by users to create account farms.

Fortunately, phenomenon you wrote about has been noted several months ago by administrators who have taken appropriate action first by introducing a merit system which significantly inhibited the creation of new accounts and later modifying it and degrading users, who haven't earned even single merit.

It turned out that these activities resulted in a significant reduction in the number of new accounts as well as spam in the forum (this was also due to the decline in interest in cryptocurrencies since their prices began to fall). This can be seen, for example, here.

Statistics of user registrations on Bitcointalk 2017-2019

Next time before you start new thread do some reading about topic you write (I'm sure that there are already dozens similar threads in the meta section).
As you can see, you were very late with your assessment and you will not earn merit for this post ;(

[hugeblack]

This makes the forum flooded by shitposts that are just made in order to get paid on a campaign. Posts with no sense and doesnt solve the problem unlike before. Things really changed now.

If the problem is in the signature campaigns, it can be resolved in less than 5 minutes, "Remove signatures", but such solutions will lead to large distortions as you can see the results here.

Over time, reliance on merit sources will make fewer merits for shitposters and therefore less spam. "We need to legitimize campaign managers to make things work."

[thd26bct]

No matter that the forum changed slowly or fastly, insignificantly or considerably over months since 2017, I have not seen your conclusions (in your opinion) that those changes are good or bad, positive or negative. I read again and again, but can not catch your general opinion.

As month goes by, i noticed that the forum is slightly changing in time.

Nope. Bounty hunters will keep joined campaigns, no matter which price of BTC

SIGNATURE AND BOUNTY CAMPAIGNS
People needs to survive even with the most difficult situation and one of the solution is to join signature and bounty campaigns which causes...

I saw patrol page tend to be improve better, and if you check topic on banned/ nuked accounts, there are more and more in the list over time.

SPAMMING AND BURST POSTING
Just to achieve its post requirement and earn bigger but thats not end with that, people want more so they need

What's the point here?

SMERIT
to have a higher payout. People which is greedy in nature obviously wants a higher payout knowingly it is just the source of income they depend on today. Do you think this is greedy enough? Youre wrong because there's more.

I don't get it here, too.

MULTIPLE ACCOUNT
ofcourse you can earn more if you have multiple accounts doing signature campaigns at the same time giving you double or maybe triple profit in just one blow. I know that because of the anonimity, this is possible.

Things changed since the merit system announced and applied in January of 2018, not since the drops of bitcoin.
There are likely overlaps between them somehow, but changes in the forum, especially spamming mostly come from the merit system, bitcoin fall is just one of main reasons.

This makes the forum flooded by shitposts that are just made in order to get paid on a campaign. Posts with no sense and doesnt solve the problem unlike before. Things really changed now.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Since 2017?  The forum doesn't seem to have changed all that much in my eyes--certainly not those things you listed, anyway.  Then again, I don't venture out much into sections like Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion where most of the spam happens.  I did create a thread in AC about PIVX, and apparently it got deleted but before it did, the only replies were two shitposts that didn't add anything to what I wanted to talk about.  Unbelievable.  The sections I do frequent, Meta & Reputation among them, haven't really gotten any better or worse although maybe Meta has become a bit more spammy since the merit system was started. 

The merit system is huge, and that is a big change if you haven't been here in a couple of years.  Post quality might have gone up because of it, but shitposting has definitely not gone down.  One thing that has changed since Jan. 2018 is that it is near impossible for members to rank up if they don't make really good posts.  Lots of people are stuck at Jr. Member with no hope whatsoever of ever getting above that rank.  That's an excellent thing, IMO.

I don't know what OP's point is about signature campaigns.  Those aren't new, but the number of new ones has actually gone down significantly.  The number of bounties has increased if I'm not mistaken.  And yeah, lots of alt accounts around here.  That's also not new, though.

[thd26bct]

You likely forgot about the demotions of Junior Members.
Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements
Due to the demotions and new restrictions & requirements on Junior Member rank, lots of former Junior Members demoted to Newbies and stucked there so far.
They even can not move up back to Junior Members because over months they have not been able to earn a single merit.

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted.

Lots of people are stuck at Jr. Member with no hope whatsoever of ever getting above that rank.  That's an excellent thing, IMO.

[Jet Cash]

The saddest change for me is a reduction in the activities of some of the quality long term members.

Bitcoin is so important in the new world economies, that we need to retain these members, and to attract some more senior industry personalities.

[greeklogos]

I already do not remember how the forum looked before all of those changes. But i can say that now i meet super short posts really rearly . That may be called as effect of changes, is it?

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

The change I have notice is decrease in shitposting in boards much attention have been given like boars in the bitcoin subsection unlike before we now have less shitposters spamming those boards.
...

I'm just wondering if reporting has any effect in this situation (that you see less shitposts in the bitcoin section).

Yes it did. These shitposters get paid to post and when their post get reported & eventually gets deleted their posts counts reduces that means, they won't meet the post count requirements for the week and possibly they won't receive stakes (payment) for that week or less number of stakes. Now, most of them shifted their activities (spamming) to other boards with less attention like the Alternative subsections to avoid such situations from occuring filling the boards with all kinds of spams.

[poptok1]

I don't know what OP's point is about signature campaigns.  Those aren't new, but the number of new ones has actually gone down significantly.  The number of bounties has increased if I'm not mistaken.  And yeah, lots of alt accounts around here.  That's also not new, though.

Agreed, not much have changed since 2017 maybe accept the rise of ridiculous bounty offers.
In fact, if any change happened, I would say it was a change for the better. Amount of obvious scams was reduced, poor quality posts are harder to find, moderation seem to work a lot faster and I think that signature campaigns are still doing good. There are plenty of campaigns to join now, much more then it was a year ago. 

[deisik]

THE GREAT FALL OF MARKET
It all started with this one. Eveyone of us becomes devastated when the market consecutively drops from $14K to $4K in just few months. Some of us stay calm but many panicked and dont know what to do. The market become not that profitable so cryptopeople should find a way to still earn and that comes...

If anything, it was a great correction, not a downfall. We are still way higher than we were some two years ago (i.e. in April 2017). Let's recall as well that the historic rise of 2017 happened within just 3 months (September through December that year). In other words, if we want to see things in their true light, we need a proper perspective

And if we look at things this way, we are pretty well off overall

SIGNATURE AND BOUNTY CAMPAIGNS
People needs to survive even with the most difficult situation and one of the solution is to join signature and bounty campaigns which causes...

It has always been the case, and as I just said, the market had been higher than now only for a few months

SPAMMING AND BURST POSTING
Just to achieve its post requirement and earn bigger but thats not end with that, people want more so they need

This has more to do with people getting to know crypto as well as learning about opportunities that it offers (including posting here)

SMERIT
to have a higher payout. People which is greedy in nature obviously wants a higher payout knowingly it is just the source of income they depend on today. Do you think this is greedy enough? Youre wrong because there's more

People need to provide better content if they want to earn more. This is kinda normal

MULTIPLE ACCOUNT
ofcourse you can earn more if you have multiple accounts doing signature campaigns at the same time giving you double or maybe triple profit in just one blow. I know that because of the anonimity, this is possible

If you are enrolled in a high-paying signature campaign with the max post count of, say, 50 posts, you won't be able to use many accounts as long as you care about the quality of your posts. Otherwise, you will soon get kicked, so it is not worth the deal and risks involved

[Paashaas]

Add de-merrits so we can downvote people who posting FUD. They will think twice before shitposting.

[theyoungmillionaire]

Add de-merrits so we can downvote people who posting FUD.

It will just bring chaos. Example: CH (or his group?) will just de-merit suchmoon, TMAN, Foxpup, and other people on his list of system abusers.

[bernardos]

The saddest change for me is a reduction in the activities of some of the quality long term members.

Bitcoin is so important in the new world economies, that we need to retain these members, and to attract some more senior industry personalities.

Maybe they just got fed up and decided to retire. They got married, got children and are now enjoying their bitcoin retirements far away from here. Real life issues and problems kicking in.   

[Paashaas]

Add de-merrits so we can downvote people who posting FUD.

It will just bring chaos. Example: CH (or his group?) will just de-merit suchmoon, TMAN, Foxpup, and other people on his list of system abusers.

Seems fair, it will be a burden for everybody especially for newcomers. Perhaps redesign the trust system.

Ore when a moderator deleted a post that person receive -1 merrit, also noted below his total amounth of merrits so everybody will see how many post has been deleted. Next issue will be; can mods be trusted that they will not abuse it.

[mk4]

The saddest change for me is a reduction in the activities of some of the quality long term members.

Bitcoin is so important in the new world economies, that we need to retain these members, and to attract some more senior industry personalities.

It makes me quite a bit curious how some of the sort of more reputable names I've been seeing in the past(2017-ish) went away with the bear market. I mean, these reputable and more-knowledgeable people are probably the last people we would expect to leave in a crashing market.

[OgNasty]

The saddest change for me is a reduction in the activities of some of the quality long term members.

So long as groups of do nothings are empowered to team up and chase away those who are actually contributing to the use cases of Bitcoin, this trend will not change.

[Jet Cash]

Bitcoin is changing at the moment, well it's use case is anyway. Lightning is making a big difference, and the investors who are considering buying Bitcoin as an addition to gold are causing market shifts. The discovery of tungsten in the good delivery bullion bars of the LBMA may cause some dealers to look at Bitcoin as a more reliable exchange mechanism, and this could have a massive influence on the price. All of these factors are interesting to me, and I hope that we can encourage some of the "big hitters" to join the forum.

Alt coins seem to be sorting themselves out as well. I read that 98% of the alt are fraudulent rubbish, but that leaves 2% that we should be analysing, and using. It would be good to discuss these, as I don't know too much about them.