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How is this even relevant to the topic of sockpuppets voting for DT1? He doesn't vote nor can be voted for.
I don't think you are this blind and are playing dumb. As of immidiately prior to him being blacklisted from DT1, he was voting for others in his trust list to be on DT1. So? Relevance to the topic at hand? Are you gonna bring up every one of the ~4000 users who are voting or have voted for DT1? Based on the below two facts, I believe marlboroza was forced off DT1, and was forced into making a public attempt of getting removed from DT2:
Holy shit, this is stupid even by your standards. You know that theymos is unlikely to comment on the reason for blacklisting this so you're just making shit up.
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As of immidiately prior to him being blacklisted from DT1, he was voting for others in his trust list to be on DT1. And then he stopped voting and removed himself from DT1 at the same time. If he had removed himself from DT1 and continued to vote for others, you may have a point, but he didn't so you don't. If he was forced out of DT1, he would presumably be unable to vote via his trust list as well. Removing his trust list would only remove the possibility of someone not showing up on DT1 when they should have if his trust list votes were to count, and would reduce the chances of anyone asking any questions with substance. It also looks like he does not like being questioned very much. What he posted is also not proof of anything, it does not show context, especially if there was communications before his alleged message he sent asking to be blacklisted from DT1.
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I see no particular evidence of Bazinga442 being an alt, but the other six five (edit: zin-zang may not be part of this circle) are all the same person. They will be blacklisted from the DT selection system in the future. Haven't decided whether this abuse warrants a forum ban.
How did they get 10 merit? (I don't have time to look into this right now.)
10 merit is difficult enough IMO. I don't want it to be too difficult. Any other suggestions? We could just keep an eye on it and respond reactively to cases like this.
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After some investigation, this is a circle of 58 accounts, most of which have 10+ merit. IDs: 2061631
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They're all now excluded from the DT selection process, so if the goal was to manipulate DT, someone blew ~580 sMerit in order to ultimately fail doing so.
My trust list today looks like this: Slots 15 through 21 are in the above list of @theymos' black-banned. Slots 12, 23, 24 and 25 are mentioned on the first page of this thread, but aren't on the list of black-banned users. Slot 22 was added today to my list, is not on the theymos list, and only posts once at post 29 [ Archive] i have gained enough,im done with bitcointalk ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) ~ 78k in one year is a good shit ~ bountyhunter hahaha..its not me but i know him xolxol is probably part of this coven of merit farmers given their UID is a few ahead of this user u=2061631 ( by twelve minutes) that is on the theymos list: Name: burakike u=2061631 Posts: 8 Activity: 8 Merit: 0 Position: Newbie Date Registered: 24 April 2018, 16:11:21 Last Active: 22 February 2019, 10:01:15 Name: xolxol Posts: 173 Activity: 173 Merit: 4 Position: Jr. Member Date Registered: 24 April 2018, 15:58:55 Last Active: 23 August 2019, 06:07:55
I would wager zin-zang is probably part of this group also as they last posted three weeks before the others, all are created in January 2018 and last post in February 2019: Name: Zin-Zang Posts: 860 Activity: 364 Merit: 11 Position: Member Date Registered: 31 January 2018, 07:48:53 Last Active: 03 February 2019, 00:43:03 Name: chickinini Posts: 19 Activity: 19 Merit: 11 Position: Newbie Date Registered: 04 January 2018, 02:42:37 Last Active: 21 February 2019, 22:40:26
Name: cryptorgasm Posts: 13 Activity: 13 Merit: 4 Position: Newbie Date Registered: 04 January 2018, 02:49:11 Last Active: 21 February 2019, 22:40:42
Name: Pablojob Posts: 18 Activity: 18 Merit: 10 Position: Newbie Date Registered: 05 January 2018, 11:04:40 Last Active: 21 February 2019, 23:16:09
Name: PiningGarcia Posts: 15 Activity: 15 Merit: 10 Position: Newbie Date Registered: 05 January 2018, 11:15:43 Last Active: 22 February 2019, 00:42:32
Name: PingGermoco Posts: 17 Activity: 17 Merit: 10 Position: Newbie Date Registered: 05 January 2018, 11:19:11 Last Active: 22 February 2019, 01:03:47
Name: cryptopov Posts: 19 Activity: 19 Merit: 4 Position: Newbie Date Registered: 07 January 2018, 09:25:52 Last Active: 22 February 2019, 10:20:42
Name: poypototoy Posts: 14 Activity: 14 Merit: 10 Position: Newbie Date Registered: 11 January 2018, 11:22:45 Last Active: 22 February 2019, 14:50:29 ito-marketing and gwsukabokepjepang are probably part of this cluster too given they were created 24 hours (almost to the minute) apart: Name: ito-marketing Posts: 7 Activity: 7 Merit: 0 Position: Newbie Date Registered: 28 January 2019, 00:29:43 Last Active: 18 June 2019, 03:20:13 Name: gwsukabokepjepang Posts: 68 Activity: 28 Merit: 0 Position: Newbie Date Registered: 29 January 2019, 00:15:35 Last Active: 07 April 2019, 15:44:57
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February 11, 2022, 07:06:23 PM Merited by Welsh (4), theymos (2) |
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LoyceV, I hope you don't mind if I refrain from creating a new thread ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Unlike the previous policy, I will not generally be trying to cultivate a good list; that will be left to the DT1 members themselves. However, I reserve the right to remove you and blacklist you from future selection if you engage in egregious and obvious abuse, or if multiple known alt accounts could be selected. Request to exclude 4 related accounts from the DT selection process. - Irrefutable evidence linking these accounts
Merited by witcher_sense (4), madnessteat (4), A-Bolt (1), imhoneer (1), tvplus006 (1), lovesmayfamilis (1), zasad@ (1)Thank you, I have long wanted to leave the forum, I do not need it and only took my time. [...] - Manipulation of the trust system [thanks to these voices, The0ldl_lser became DT1 for the first time this month]
Soon after the exposure, all the mentioned accounts began to distance themselves from each other (example 157/158 week).
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LoyceV, I hope you don't mind if I refrain from creating a new thread ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) I don't mind ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Manipulation of the trust system [thanks to these voices, The0ldl_lser became DT1 for the first time this month] The above statement doesn't seem correct: Even without those 4 accounts voting for him, The0ldl_lser has enough inclusions to join the DT1-election. Your evidence is in Russian, so I can't easily review it. But even if those 4 accounts aren't the reason The0ldl_lser reach DT1, if they're alts they shouldn't give any user more than one vote.
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February 11, 2022, 08:04:23 PM |
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The above statement doesn't seem correct: Even without those 4 accounts voting for him, The0ldl_lser has enough inclusions to join the DT1-election.
Your evidence is in Ru, so I can't easily review it. But even if those 4 accounts aren't the reason The0ldl_lser reach DT1, if they're alts they shouldn't give any user more than one vote.
I know about the criteria, the problem is that until week 158 he was not eligible to participate in the elections [the moment when 5 alt accounts intervened]. I have nothing against this guy, I'm just for the fact that the 4 mentioned accounts would be blacklisted. By the way, Google translator should translate normally (I checked).
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February 11, 2022, 11:16:21 PM Merited by LoyceV (1), klarki (1) |
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Request to exclude 4 related accounts from the DT selection process.
Thank you for mentioning this potential abuse, but I previously already excluded those users from the DT calculation; they are not the cause of The0ldl_lser being included. (You could not have known that I excluded them, since I don't generally announce it.) At the time of the last DT reconstitution, The0ldl_lser was included in this way: Big requirement: Small requirement: (Other "voters" may have been possible; these were the ones the system semi-randomly chose to satisfy the criteria.) In this case I already excluded these users, but it is helpful if people point out potential abuse in the DT reconstitution process, since I don't spend all that much time on it, and I could easily miss things.
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February 12, 2022, 02:23:36 AM Last edit: February 12, 2022, 03:48:44 AM by Timelord2067 |
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Might want to check out fzkto trust feedback page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1094839;dt | debext | | 2020-05-05 | | Reference | | He very well explained in the Russian location about the nuances of the tokens "BEAR" and "BULL". I gathered a lot of useful information from his topic. I believe that he is trustworthy.
Oн oчeнь xopoшo oбъяcнил в pyccкoй лoкaции пpo нюaнcы BEAR и BULL тoкeнoв. Я coбpaл мнoгo пoлeзнoй инфopмaции из eгo тeмы. Я cчитaю, чтo eмy мoжнo дoвepять. |
| F1ak | | 2020-03-10 | | Reference | | Биpбyльный aктивиcт. "Диpeктop Xyoби". Инoгдa тopгyю пo eгo нaвoдкe биpбyлями. |
| SaracenRomero213 | | 2019-12-15 | | | | Top altcoin analyst with extensive experience. Follow him and get a lot of useful information. |
| 3meek | | 2019-10-14 | | | | Active participant of the forum! Well versed in the cryptomarkets. Диpeктop Xyoби...) |
All four of their positive trust feedbacks are DT trusted by 3meek https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1193837 and when 3meek became DT1 in week 147, fzkto went from week 146to week 147
Given these four trust feedbacks have already matured, fzkto's BPIP https://bpip.org/Profile?p=fzkto "Most Trusted" score jumps from infinity down to 576 over night which in turn pushes their "Most Recognised" score down to 568. In the last week fzkto has changed their password twice.
3meek also profits from three trust feedbacks: (who are only DT2 because of their vote up) | debext | | 2020-05-05 | | | | One of the decent and positive old-timers of the Russian community.
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| SaracenRomero213 | | 2019-12-15 | | | | He is a very professional cryptanalyst. Reading 3meek, I get a lot of useful information. He is a very helpful member of the Russian crypto community. |
2014-08-13, 11:31:19 Date Registered: SaracenRomero213 (Inactive) 2017-08-04, 11:58:41 Date Registered: fzkto 2017-08-10, 04:37:56 Date Registered: F1ak 2017-08-31, 07:34:44 Date Registered: debext (Inactive) 2017-10-07, 18:14:02 Date Registered: 3meek 2021-05-06, 06:04:21 Last Active: debext (Inactive) 2021-09-01, 04:36:10 Last Active: SaracenRomero213 (Inactive) 2022-01-03, 04:07:56 Last Active: F1ak
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February 12, 2022, 09:18:13 AM Last edit: February 12, 2022, 09:33:30 AM by The0ldl_lser |
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theymos, thank you for making it clear. I recently started studying how the trust system works. Mostly after being included in the dt1 list. It was a surprise to me. Thank you for your trust. First of all, because people began to demand it from me. Sorry for my mistakes. Now I have deleted inactive, banned, and multiaccount users. I will continue to try not to include there those who conduct any malicious activity on the forum. Now I understand better how the trust system works. After this discussion. starting with this post (Russian). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5254446.msg59167566#msg59167566edit I hope the discussion that has arisen has drawn attention to the trust system in the Russian local, and more users will start using it In fact, I think that a two-party "political system", if I may say so, has begun to form in the Russian local sorry for my googlish
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February 12, 2022, 10:00:33 AM Last edit: February 12, 2022, 11:43:18 AM by LoyceV |
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You could not have known that I excluded them, since I don't generally announce it. Any chance you can share the full DT1-voting blacklist (for my DT1-election: Rank up pipeline)? So far, I have these confirmed userIDs on "my" DT1-voting blacklist: 1231252 1231268 1236860 1236879 1236944 1237123 1237158 1240198 1240832 1240853 1240872 1240919 1247193 1247203 1247213 1247231 1260451 1260476 1289915 1290532 1290714 1311608 1311624 1311649 1311664 1311700 1311716 1311740 1311776 1311798 1311852 1311924 1312215 1312669 1312682 1312730 1312750 1312835 1312864 1325612 1325624 1325633 1325651 1325665 1325681 1325699 1325707 1575704 1575750 1586404 1586457 1586551 1586585 1586656 1609508 1658865 2061631 1037701 335282 1048813 1123319 (the last 4 added just now)
Latest data:Since 3 out of 4 haven't been online in 6 days, they must have changed their Trust list before icopress posted about it here. I recently started studying how the trust system works. Mostly after being included in the dt1 list. If you didn't know how the Trust system works, you shouldn't have been voted into DT1 in the first place. Since you've only left feedback twice, I wonder what the reasons were for so many users to include you on their Trust list. Thank you for your trust. I don't think theymos' post nor your DT1-inclusion has anything to do with theymos trusting you. Now I understand better how the trust system works. Allow me to disagree: In the past week, you've added 8 more users who never left any feedback to your Trust list. That's not how you should build a proper Trust list. Luckily, your DT1 strength is (-5) already, so it doesn't matter to the Trust system. I'd much rather see Trust lists based on the right criteria. If you haven't read it yet: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system. Can you explain why you've included 8 users who haven't left any feedback? "Being friends" shouldn't be the answer. I'm also curious why you went from including to excluding icopress from your Trust list. His judgement was spot-on!
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Now I understand better how the trust system works. Allow me to disagree: In the past week, you've added 8 more users who never left any feedback to your Trust list. That's not how you should build a proper Trust list. Luckily, your DT1 strength is (-5) already, so it doesn't matter to the Trust system. I'd much rather see Trust lists based on the right criteria. If you haven't read it yet: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system. Can you explain why you've included 8 users who haven't left any feedback? "Being friends" shouldn't be the answer. I'm also curious why you went from including to excluding icopress from your Trust list. His judgement was spot-on! Until this moment, I didn't know that the trust list should only contain users with reviews. icopress is on my no-trust list for the same reason that these members are there: Balthazar KTChampions tvplus006 witcher_sense madnessteat lovesmayfamilis FontSeli zasad@ Goran_ I don't trust them I consider them a group of people who illegally seized power in the Russian DT1 If you want, this is my "political program". And it is for this reason that users voted for me. ... I wonder what the reasons were for so many users to include you on their Trust list. ...
There is a conflict of interest. And it's too much for me to translate. But if you insist, then I will try.
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February 12, 2022, 06:44:23 PM |
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Until this moment, I didn't know that the trust list should only contain users with reviews. It literally tells you when you edit your trust settings: List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists
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You could not have known that I excluded them, since I don't generally announce it. Any chance you can share the full DT1-voting blacklist (for my DT1-election: Rank up pipeline)? So far, I have these confirmed userIDs on "my" DT1-voting blacklist: This user BIBInaX_Maksim_SOSI seems to have been banned/nuked AND all of their DT trust both received and given has been removed. Was this a one off, or, could those on that list also be removed in the same way?
twiki might be another one to watch having woken up to remove their entire DT trust list this last week https://loyce.club/trust/2022-02-12_Sat_05.19h/2460637.html
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@Timelord2067: I've taken your question to DefaultTrust changes.
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