When you win does someone else have to lose.

[2chase]

The market is much more complex than we can imagine. But the fact remains that when someone earns it, someone else undoubtedly loses money. It cannot be otherwise. This is very simple math. So it has always been and will be so on. No one has yet invented a system in which everyone was making money, and no one would lose anything.

[jhonjhon]

The market is much more complex than we can imagine. But the fact remains that when someone earns it, someone else undoubtedly loses money. It cannot be otherwise. This is very simple math. So it has always been and will be so on. No one has yet invented a system in which everyone was making money, and no one would lose anything.

Its a balance, it also apply to our real life, it sometime we are happy and  sometime we feel mad.
We feel great that we are winning today but we don't know that someone out there feel so sad cause they loss something. In this matter, we should think ourself that we shouldn't feel confident for everything we have now to stay for us forever cause there is a time that it will be running out from our hands.

[Hamphser]

The market is much more complex than we can imagine. But the fact remains that when someone earns it, someone else undoubtedly loses money. It cannot be otherwise. This is very simple math. So it has always been and will be so on. No one has yet invented a system in which everyone was making money, and no one would lose anything.

And thats the reality.If we earn then someone losses thats why we are here on this market competing against other traders for the sake of profits.There would always be a loser and winners side and its part of the reality that should really be accepted because if you do think up on how these things works then it will just give out headache and  stress.No need no bother yourself about those someone who lose money because they wont mind you if you lose too.

[Polar91]

That's how the market works. There are no markets that always benefiting everyone wherein no one makes loss. We shouldn't be bother about that since those who are unfortunate for that period could be able to sooner or later. Those who make losses can use their mistakes as a lesson; however some just give up since they aren't capable to put money at stake in order to earn and learn.

[Lpim01]

That's how the market works. There are no markets that always benefiting everyone wherein no one makes loss. We shouldn't be bother about that since those who are unfortunate for that period could be able to sooner or later. Those who make losses can use their mistakes as a lesson; however some just give up since they aren't capable to put money at stake in order to earn and learn.

Not all of us where crypto is place to be, if we never have that huge understanding, easily get bored and of being impatient individual will surely leave crypto. This is a place where we learn to accept losses and to be patient, but the good thing in crypto is that, it teaches us on how to decide and to be strong when a certain thing happen just like of market crisis.

[magneto]

The counter party that you are trading with doesn't necessarily have to lose.

For example, someone could trade you BTC at $4k and make a profit because he bought at a lower level, while you may be able to ride the next bull market and turn your BTC for a profit by selling at the peak.

Also, given that adoption continues to increase and if the utility of bitcoin increases, it's not necessary that bitcoin is a zero sum game.

In a purely speculative market though, which does not grow or shrink in adoption and utility, then it would be a zero sum game, i.e. your profits are someone else's losses. Examples of this would be trading games offered by exchanges that have a fixed amount of liquidity, but that is never the case irl.

[Sanitough]

Someone has to, otherwise trading would give free money to traders.
There are different type of traders in the market, there are traders who are good because they can predict the price well and they
make money on that, while there are traders who are not good and they are not profitable.

So, if we compare the two, one is making money, while the other one is not.

[adaseb]

The counter party that you are trading with doesn't necessarily have to lose.

For example, someone could trade you BTC at $4k and make a profit because he bought at a lower level, while you may be able to ride the next bull market and turn your BTC for a profit by selling at the peak.

Also, given that adoption continues to increase and if the utility of bitcoin increases, it's not necessary that bitcoin is a zero sum game.

In a purely speculative market though, which does not grow or shrink in adoption and utility, then it would be a zero sum game, i.e. your profits are someone else's losses. Examples of this would be trading games offered by exchanges that have a fixed amount of liquidity, but that is never the case irl.

Basically its what I mentioned a few days ago with the people selling and buying stocks on their retirement accounts. With inflation stocks in general always go up, especially in a yearly or decade type of scale. So each investor can come out ahead and everybody can make money.

However you need to realise that eventually "someone" will buy the top and be the loser in that trade. So either someone invests their retirement funds in a company that goes bankrupt or someone that bought BTC at $20K from someone who bought from someone at $1K who originally just mined the coins on his laptop.

Eventually all type of trading is zero sum one way or another.

[2chase]

Financial markets are very complicated, and examples such as the one given by the author are not always appropriate for understanding them. It does not always happen that someone loses money by sight while you earn it. If the trend of the market is bullish, then everyone earns, only some earn more slowly and others earn faster.

[samcrypto]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

If we make profit someone are suffering not because you do trade but because of their own fault. We all want to make money and we will do our best to outsmart other traders, and its you job to do so. Don't feel guilty about this one, traders must focus on his personal goal and target EMOTION should not be the hindrance for you not to do better. If we win, then we are better than any trader. Newbies are the one who losses money.

[shannelcoin]

Of course yes if we win someone will lose its affiliates and never be change. And it's alright to lose because there's so many chance to win it doesn't mean you lose that is the end, sometimes losing make you more strong so next time you can make a chance to win just need some strategy.

[Yamifoud]

Of course yes if we win someone will lose its affiliates and never be change. And it's alright to lose because there's so many chance to win it doesn't mean you lose that is the end, sometimes losing make you more strong so next time you can make a chance to win just need some strategy.

Not at all mate, losing and winning will happen always. It doesn't mean that we lose today and we think that we will win by tomorrow.
I do believe that when someone win and someone will lose also, it just like of having a positive and negative effect of a certain thing. We never argue this since we  are not having controlled with and we should accept of what it happens.

[1Referee]

If we make profit someone are suffering not because you do trade but because of their own fault.  

It's not their fault as long as they aren't selling their coins. People need to differentiate actual losses from paper losses. If you bought earlier this year, you are up right now, regardless if someone cashed out profits, and as long as the price keeps going up, that's the case.

2017's bull run made almost everyone win, regardless of people flat out gambling or investing based on fundamentals. That's the power of a bull run, and these mass profits attract even more capital because people love to buy something that has gone up a lot already.

Bitcoin is up ~35% this year, which is quite a solid achievement considering that we're technically still in a bear market. If you lost money with Bitcoin this year, then you have to look in the mirror and rethink why you are here in the first place.

[redsun114]

Yes of course, that is how life has always been, money don't gall from the sky you know, someone have to lose it for another person to gain it and there are different ways of losing it, one of the ways is payment for value, when you pay someone physical cash to carry out a job for you, you lose the money to that person.

Another way is through gambling or trading, in this life one person have to lose for another to gain, it is the way the world system have been programmed and can't be changed.

[maxreish]

You were right all along. TRADERS are either tend to lose or win. And you aren't overthinking. Hence, whenever we trade their are some circumstances that you won and take some profits before you are more knowledgeable and made some technical analysis while the other traders who lose were had also a reason why they lose. That is a real reason why.

[BlackPanda]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

This is a simple question. When you win there must be a failure. If you get a profit then there are also other people who suffer losses. Everything can happen, not always someone will gain profit and not always that someone will achieve a loss. All depends on yourself, when we have the ability, we have a much better chance to achieve more positive results than someone who does not have the ability. Everything will be different and the one who will determine is yourself.

[Gaff]

Yes of course, that is how life has always been, money don't gall from the sky you know, someone have to lose it for another person to gain it and there are different ways of losing it, one of the ways is payment for value, when you pay someone physical cash to carry out a job for you, you lose the money to that person.

Another way is through gambling or trading, in this life one person have to lose for another to gain, it is the way the world system have been programmed and can't be changed.

If we want to gain something profitable then selling an asset could be a good preference. That time when you win on your good trades, it's also an opportunity for other traders to hold that coins they've bought from us. Nothing to lose at all even though price dumped when panic selling happened. There's another probability that those coins will be tripled of its current price when another bull run strikes.

[1BTC EQUALS 1CAR]

Yes, there is. It could be a whale or a huge investors or just an average guy who bought or sell on the wrong asset. Investments from us or other people is what makes the trading alive. We cannot pull anything huge enough if it's only us in the market so it has to have many members locally or globaly.

[siggy_77]

It all depends on your definition of 'lose" ...

If I bought BTC @ $1,000, and sold it to you at $5,000  and then you go on to hold and sell later at $10,000 ... Did I win or lose?

If you consider that I made a profit of $4,000 .. then I won big time...

If you consider that I could have made a $9k profit instead of just $4k, then I lost....

along those lines.. if you sell for $10k, and then the buyer later sells for $20k ... did you win? or did you lose ?

[Cacingkemi]

The reality is that but it depends on your opponents or "other traders" whether he will grow BTC or ALT in other industries for example gambling or investing towards another ALT, simple reason if there is a profit there must be someone who loses.