When you win does someone else have to lose.

[Insanity]

losing and winning is always a part of trading we just be more practical on how our money/funds and limiting our stake lose. Always set a limit and be more practical.

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[acharias]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

That's how trading works. Anyone who is willing to invest money should be well aware of the risks that come with it.

[Reid]

I dont think so.
They were all orders so someone really want to sell or buy at that price they input.
If it is at risk then it wont matter as long as they know what they are doing.

Now, some of your orders can end up the same thing as them. It could be regret at the end if the price suddenly pumps or it could be a loss for buying at a higher price then it suddenly dumps.

[alisafidel58]

Of course, there will be losers and gainers. Whenever you win some somebody has to lose some too. When a coin price that is sold at a lower price then suddenly in just an hour the coin gain momentum and gains a large price that's a loss for the seller.

[Wind_FURY]

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking?

when you (seller) make profit, the other guy (buyer) doesn't always at loss
but this condition is only true if the fresh buyer puts fresh money adding up to capitalization
however that buyer will incur loss if he later sells at a lower price

in an uptrend price (bullish market) there will be more winners, higher cap ~ money inflow
but in a downtrend price (bearish market) there will be much more losers, lower cap ~ money outflow

But when you the hodler, HODL, and encourage everyone to also HODL, everyone wins.



I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners".

[serjent05]

I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners".

This indirectly states that those who sells are the loser  .


I think it is on the point of view of  a person, in trading both person can win, for example I am selling Bitcoin higher than the market value, and this person wanted to buy Bitcoin so Badly but he cannot buy in an exchange.  In this case, I win when I sold my BTC to that guy since I got profit, and the guy win since he is able to buy Bitcoin that he had wanted for so long.

But in an actual trading market, those who did not do their assignment often become the loser and taken advantage but those who dedicate their resources in researching and updating themselves (the winner).

[Wexlike]

Of course, there will be losers and gainers. Whenever you win some somebody has to lose some too. When a coin price that is sold at a lower price then suddenly in just an hour the coin gain momentum and gains a large price that's a loss for the seller.

I am in the same boat. As others, I am impressed by the fact that once again the reversal appears to have been stopped almost immediately.

On the other hand, the price has clearly failed to make higher highs, and major alts including LTC continue their correction. Is Bitcoin simply the more inert mass and slower to respond, or is money flowing from LTC (other alts) into BTC? Who is in denial, those who see this rally reach further highs or those who have been claiming a reversal is imminent?

I have no clue what is going on, but I do feel that if and when sellers/shorters regain some confidence at long last, the slump could be painful. "If you panic (at 5200ish/Bitstamp?), panic first"?

[buwaytress]

But when you the hodler, HODL, and encourage everyone to also HODL, everyone wins.

I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners".

exactly what I tell people who put this to me. Sure, if you're in a segment of the traditional market, some loses for you to win. But in the case of Bitcoin, it is in direct competition to the traditional convention and system of money. We all win, not at each other's cost, but to eventually displace the old, corrupt, rotten system.

It is a losing system already, that isn't even in question. The only thing left to ask isn't if it can survive but when it will implode. And when it does, what can displace it?

We are all hoping Bitcoin is at least part of that future.

[Virtual miner]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Yes yes yes ofcourse someone loses his trade when you win a trade. This is how market works. But not always do they lose in terms of money sometimes they lose in terms of opportunity too but yes this is law of market positive and negative balance each other. What is more shocking is that 90% of small traders lose up and only 10% win to balance off the market this means wealth of 90% is transferred to the remaining 10%. This is why newbies are advised not to enter the market without proper risk management strategy

[btcdevil]

Whenever I trade and make a profit, does someone else lose?

For example, I've been watching an altcoin market for three years and knew that a certain currency always triples in value going from x to 3x in a couple of months. Having spare money avaliable I put some in to test the strategy and I'm close to my 3x at the moment.

My question is, whenever I trade and make a profit is there always going to be someone who's made a loss or is this an odd way of thinking? Could it be that these people are losing a small amount of money or that these people are buying a coin by going (I'll put 10% in that) so as to not really matter if it profits or. Loses as it generated a stable ish value.

Yes yes yes ofcourse someone loses his trade when you win a trade. This is how market works. But not always do they lose in terms of money sometimes they lose in terms of opportunity too but yes this is law of market positive and negative balance each other. What is more shocking is that 90% of small traders lose up and only 10% win to balance off the market this means wealth of 90% is transferred to the remaining 10%. This is why newbies are advised not to enter the market without proper risk management strategy

What you are telling happens mostly in gambling but in trading until the user who have purchased not selling cannot say will be in loss, so in trading it is always users who are buying and selling in each price.

Like for example , i bought bitcoins for 200 usd and then when the market went up i sold for 500 usd but same time another user bought in 500 usd and then when market went up to 700 he sold and same time the buyer may be new or old one that no one can say and who ever bought in 700 usd and market goes down he wont sell but he buys more and average his buying price and when market went up he sells and another user buying it. So in this no one can confirm that whether the buyer is looser or seller is looser.

[mornabo]

losing and winning is always a part of trading we just be more practical on how our money/funds and limiting our stake lose. Always set a limit and be more practical.

Actually this is a natural thing dude, in the market there are always buyers and sellers, and of course there will always someone who will profit, and there is always someone who get a loss. all you have to do is be a winner, profit on the many trades you do.

[ChrisPop]

When you take a trade, be it a buy or a sell position, someone else needs to take the other part of the "bet". So yes, practically when you make a profit some else loses. This is why there is that saying: " The market allows you to move money from the riches" or something like that. 

[teosanru]

There's always a seller to every buyer. Trading is a zero sum game. We are not creating money. Just transferring it through the asset from one hand to another. We give a coin value by purchasing and selling. But the thing is that it's not required that if you made profit. The seller made loss. He might have bought at cheaper price. So, it can be win-win or lose-lose instead of win-lose.

[BitHodler]

But when you the hodler, HODL, and encourage everyone to also HODL, everyone wins.

I don't think the majority of the people would appreciate that type of encouragement with how the price kept hitting lower lows last year. People are 'sunny day' hodlers but turn into chickens the moment they see a red candle.

I don't mind weak hands selling their coins because they will end up in the pockets of strong hands anyway. Even those who we consider strong hands right now will dump because not every person has $1 million as target.

Exchange hacks are more of a short to medium term contributor to coins being taken out of circulation than hodlers are. In other words, something that's negative by nature also has a positive side effect.

[MakeMoneyBtc]

I don't think you should care about someone else's money as both of you are taking the same risks when trading. Think that sometimes you might be the person that loses and the other person is the one that wins so its a just a game that will never stop. I care about my money and my profit, not about someone else losing their money.

[Wind_FURY]

I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners".

This indirectly states that those who sells are the loser  .

Bitcoin is a hedge to the old, rotten financial system that we currently have. You want to short it? HODL Bitcoin.

That directly states that those who are NOT HODLING are the losers.

[Gabteb]

Not always, it depends on many factors in which price seller has bought is he/she lose at the moment of selling, you look at ths as long tem too or only short becouse i long term most of sellers of btc, for example, have lost as people who sold on 100$ 10k btc has lost but at hte moment of selling it was profit as was bought with 2$.

[gabbie2010]

From technical point of view traders have different ways of analysis the market with respite to charts while a trader might view his analysis for buying another trader somewhere else triggering sell button definitely there must be a loser of course no professional trader can have a consistent winning trades there will be some losers thus I agreed the OP perception of winning a trade while a loser will also emerge elsewhere wherein an exchange or a broker serves as a middleman.

[guoyu78]

I know someone would ask, "then who loses, there's always a loser". My answer, "the Nocoiners".

Such a funny man, really, they are the losers, if we Hold our coin for a very long term, and the price reaches ATH, everyone who has been holding a coin at dip will always be a winner. So, we should be encouraged to always try and  put our cart in a place where it will be safe.

Traders too are also safe in their trade, because there will always be a win, but we must also have a looser for the winner to take something home. In fact. I think everyone is also going to be a winner, because that person that was once a looser will not remain a looser, one day, he or she must also be able to win too in the trade.

[Farma]

Not always, it depends on many factors in which price seller has bought is he/she lose at the moment of selling, you look at ths as long tem too or only short becouse i long term most of sellers of btc, for example, have lost as people who sold on 100$ 10k btc has lost but at hte moment of selling it was profit as was bought with 2$.

well, when you sell the assets you have, you don't think of harming others, and that person also buys with their own desires, moreover they need to. win, or lose, it depends on how you look at trade.