Buy the DIP, and HODL!

[Wind_FURY]

No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.

Obviously, you are being sarcastic and I understand it clearly.

I'm not being sarcastic. Bitcoin is like Gold - it's a naturally-occurring Ponzi. But it's NOT a Ponzi "Scheme" with a nefarious entity on top trying to scam people. It simply means that a market developed around something that was adopted and which is valued as an asset class.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Plus as a decentralized, censorship-resistant asset that could give its users some self-sovereignty, it SHOULD be valued.

Do you even know about Ponzi or the origin of that name, well for your information that name dates back to Charles Ponzi the creator of Ponzi Scheme or rob Peter to pay Paul investment activity. He was always known for his criminal activities from a young age until he came to US. The name Ponzi "scheme" and relates to his fraudulent act of 1920 where he defrauded US investors of almost $15 million before being convicted and sent to prison. so, There is no Ponzi without the scheme going hand in hand. Ponzi Invented Ponzi scheme, so there is no way you are making a strong point out of that without hinting on criminal or scam undertones. read This for more clarity

Bitcoin on the other hand was born out of the underlaying desire to foster accountability, transparency, security and value for your money which promotes a sense of inclusion and an equal opportunity to everyone that adopts it properly to benefit from its abundance. bitcoin was intentional and not just something naturally occurring and the intentions have not changed but continues to be validated as it gains more recognition and trust among investors.

So next time, even if you are drunk, DO NOT ASSOCIATE BITCOIN WITH PONZI EVER AGAIN.

Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

[Justbillywitt]

I feel that if an investor observes the regular market after investing and gets excited due to negative or positive changes in the market, he will never be able to hold his investment for a long time. A person is monitoring the market to invest continuously but if another investor checks after investing little by little how much profit or how much loss he has, but this will create obstacles in keeping his investment for a long time.

What you mean is that an investor after making an investment will be ready to sell his investment if he sees a positive or negative change in the market after regularly monitoring the market. No it is not correct at all because monitoring the market regularly does not mean that he cannot prolong the investment. Investors gradually become more experienced about the market as a result of regular market observation. There are many people who constantly monitor the market while investing, the main purpose of which is to see if the price of bitcoin has decreased in the market, if the price of bitcoin decreases, they will take the opportunity to buy more bitcoins during that dip. Many also observe how much their invested portfolios grow as the value of Bitcoin increases.

The Only possibility of people to check the market can only be to know when best to buy the dip just as you have explained. but aside that, I don't see reason why someone will be checking his portfolio how it grows when you have known within your mind the total asset you have and the equivalent value in respect to the current price of bitcoin at any given time. Checking the growth of portfolio should not even be considered since it's a long term investment. It sound somewhat childish to me. For me I don't see why we keep on emphasizing on the market fluctuations when we should be awear by now that the only reason for that is taken advantage of the dip to accumulate more.

In addition to what you have said, if someone is saying that the reason why the investor should monitor the market is to know when to take a buying advantage, Instead of continuously monitoring the market, and going through the emotional torture associated with it, the investor should set price change notification alert on, and set up that price level that he should be notified. So that once bitcoin hit that price level that the investor has set up, he will be notified by his exchange or wallet app.

This is more effective way than for the investor to be updated about price changes, than continually monitoring the market. We live in a world where technology has simplified everything, unless the investor has other reasons of checking the market, other than just knowing when there is a significant change in price in bitcoin market.

[Jewan420]

In addition to what you have said, if someone is saying that the reason why the investor should monitor the market is to know when to take a buying advantage, Instead of continuously monitoring the market, and going through the emotional torture associated with it, the investor should set price change notification alert on, and set up that price level that he should be notified. So that once bitcoin hit that price level that the investor has set up, he will be notified by his exchange or wallet app.
This is more effective way than for the investor to be updated about price changes, than continually monitoring the market. We live in a world where technology has simplified everything, unless the investor has other reasons of checking the market, other than just knowing when there is a significant change in price in bitcoin market.

Market observation makes a person aware of the market position. Whether you are a trader or an investor, market observation will help you understand price movements. Being aware of the ups and downs of the market plays the most important role for a deep investor.

If a DCA investor wants to be aggressive in investing during dips then it is positive for him to prepare to be aggressive by watching the market. There is no harm in market observation if you can prevent yourself from the negative effects of market observation.

If you are afraid of unstable market conditions or market observation makes you think of selling investment when the price rises or falls then you should refrain from market observation. Embrace the positives of market observation and avoid the negatives.

[Mayor of ogba]

People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.

The consistency of profits should be measured over a long period of time, for example, month after month or year after year.

We all know that before an investor can be successful with his bitcoin investment, he will have to hold his bitcoin for a long time, like 4-10 years or more. But I want you to understand that profit in bitcoin is not only measured by how long you hold your bitcoin but is also measured by how much money you have invested in bitcoin and the quantity of bitcoin you have accumulated. 

A long-term Bitcoin investor has many dimensions of his personality, such as finding the ideal strategy, observing market volatility, choosing the right time and mastering effective trading strategies.

A long-term bitcoin investor doesn't need to master any trading strategies because they will not be of any help to him in accumulating bitcoin. What a long-term bitcoin investor or a newbie should know is his finances to know if he will have discretionary funds that will allow him to invest in bitcoin. Trading is not what a newbie like you should adopt because you lack the knowledge and experience that will guide you to be successful in trading. Just focus on accumulating bitcoin with the money you will not need for 4-5 years or more and also build up your emergency funds as you are in your accumulation journey, which will allow you to solve your unforeseen problems anytime they arise and leave trading for those who have enough money to throw a few dollars in trading. 

[Rabata]

People look at the value of Bitcoin for a number of reasons.  Paying attention to the Bitcoin market does not mean that recruiters sell Bitcoins.  Checking daily prices means finding a very good time.  This reduces the stress of long-term holders and increases common sense and motivates them to invest in Bitcoin, as well as they can relate to market dynamics. Bitcoin market is very volatile in nature, it can go up in a short period of time and fall in an instant.

Daily price tracking is not suitable for long term holders but I can definitely say that those who do daily price tracking can have a good idea about Bitcoin. Price tracking is not a bad idea especially to have a better idea of ​​when an investor buys when he will have the opportunity to buy from the dip and when his profit will increase. Price tracking is not essential if one is a long term holder.

It's not a bad idea to do daily price tracking to see if the Bitcoin price is going to dip. Price tracking is a daunting task for any type of trader, but for those who do DCA on a regular basis, price tracking can help even more and who are intend to be long-term holders, price tracking focus on the accumulation of Bitcoins.

[avp2306]

No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.

Do you even know about Ponzi or the origin of that name, well for your information that name dates back to Charles Ponzi the creator of Ponzi Scheme or rob Peter to pay Paul investment activity. He was always known for his criminal activities from a young age until he came to US. The name Ponzi "scheme" and relates to his fraudulent act of 1920 where he defrauded US investors of almost $15 million before being convicted and sent to prison. so, There is no Ponzi without the scheme going hand in hand. Ponzi Invented Ponzi scheme, so there is no way you are making a strong point out of that without hinting on criminal or scam undertones. read This for more clarity

Bitcoin on the other hand was born out of the underlaying desire to foster accountability, transparency, security and value for your money which promotes a sense of inclusion and an equal opportunity to everyone that adopts it properly to benefit from its abundance. bitcoin was intentional and not just something naturally occurring and the intentions have not changed but continues to be validated as it gains more recognition and trust among investors.

So next time, even if you are drunk, DO NOT ASSOCIATE BITCOIN WITH PONZI EVER AGAIN.

Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

Maybe best to avoid any misleading information towards name calling of bitcoin you or other people should stop calling it as Ponzi since that word give bad impression to people since it associate with frauds or anything illegal that you can imagine.

Just call bitcoin as bitcoin and don't use other term to describe it since you don't know what came up on the people's mind especially when you call it a Ponzi like asset. This is also the reason why I don't call bitcoin as crypto since it mislead people again to other scam project saying that they are the next bitcoin. To many confusion spreading around and to many newbies in the scene so to avoid giving problems to those people we should call bitcoin its known name and don't compare it with other asset.

[JayJuanGee]

[edited out].

Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

You are still likely confusing people with that description of a "naturally-occurring Ponzi."

Under your definition almost anything that is used for monetary value would be a "naturally-occurring Ponzi" since it's price would go up based on increased demand.

For some reason you are stubborn, and you continue to repeat such a confusing term as if you are making some kinds of a brilliant proclamation, when you are not, and it would be better that you figure out another way to say what you are saying, to the extent that you are even making a decent point in regards to either particulars of how bitcoin gets its price or how bitcoin might compare to other assets, such as comparing bitcoin to gold or some other asset.

By the way, bitcoin has a lot of monetary properties that help to derive its value, such as its verifiability, its divisibility, its transportability, its scarcity, the ability to transact and hold it without a third party and in very economical ways, and other qualities related to its programability that also gives utility to folks which may or may not end up driving its price upwards and also contributing to others financializing it and/or speculating on its value...so your ongoing use of Ponzi terminology, which also implies third party manipulation (even if you are trying to suggest that a "naturally" occurring Ponzi might not need a centralized party's manipulation is still misleading as fuck, and likely more confusing than any value that it might bring from the supposed profundity of your characterization of bitcoin in such a way.

And, yeah, you may well continue with your nonsense, and I would expect members to continue to question why you feel some kind of importance to insist on such a misleading characterization and categorization of bitcoin.  You really think anyone is helped to understand bitcoin better by that crap, and if you don't give any shits then you are engaging int he same kind of behaviors as the bitcoin detractors, the naysayers, the shitcoin pumpers and the ones engaging in affinity scams that tend to create confusing with their baloney narratives.

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Maybe best to avoid any misleading information towards name calling of bitcoin you or other people should stop calling it as Ponzi since that word give bad impression to people since it associate with frauds or anything illegal that you can imagine.

Just call bitcoin as bitcoin and don't use other term to describe it since you don't know what came up on the people's mind especially when you call it a Ponzi like asset. This is also the reason why I don't call bitcoin as crypto since it mislead people again to other scam project saying that they are the next bitcoin. To many confusion spreading around and to many newbies in the scene so to avoid giving problems to those people we should call bitcoin its known name and don't compare it with other asset.

Yep.  It is questionable what Wind_FURY believes he might be achieving by the use of such framing, even if "technically" there might be some truth in what he is saying.. yet in the end, the term causes way more confusion than it clarifies, so what is the purpose?  Did his handler put him up to continuing to insist on such a inflammatory label for my lil precious?

[SuperBitMan]

No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.

Do you even know about Ponzi or the origin of that name, well for your information that name dates back to Charles Ponzi the creator of Ponzi Scheme or rob Peter to pay Paul investment activity. He was always known for his criminal activities from a young age until he came to US. The name Ponzi "scheme" and relates to his fraudulent act of 1920 where he defrauded US investors of almost $15 million before being convicted and sent to prison. so, There is no Ponzi without the scheme going hand in hand. Ponzi Invented Ponzi scheme, so there is no way you are making a strong point out of that without hinting on criminal or scam undertones. read This for more clarity

Bitcoin on the other hand was born out of the underlaying desire to foster accountability, transparency, security and value for your money which promotes a sense of inclusion and an equal opportunity to everyone that adopts it properly to benefit from its abundance. bitcoin was intentional and not just something naturally occurring and the intentions have not changed but continues to be validated as it gains more recognition and trust among investors.

So next time, even if you are drunk, DO NOT ASSOCIATE BITCOIN WITH PONZI EVER AGAIN.

Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

Maybe best to avoid any misleading information towards name calling of bitcoin you or other people should stop calling it as Ponzi since that word give bad impression to people since it associate with frauds or anything illegal that you can imagine.

Just call bitcoin as bitcoin and don't use other term to describe it since you don't know what came up on the people's mind especially when you call it a Ponzi like asset. This is also the reason why I don't call bitcoin as crypto since it mislead people again to other scam project saying that they are the next bitcoin. To many confusion spreading around and to many newbies in the scene so to avoid giving problems to those people we should call bitcoin its known name and don't compare it with other asset.

Yeah you are right if one don't call Bitcoin by it's name you may mislead some newbies, I know someone who believed that all other crypto coin are also known as Bitcoin which lead him to invest in a shitcoin and he lost his money, so we should always call Bitcoin by it's name to avoid complicating things.
Ponzi scheme has really made a lot of people lose there money and by the mention of the name Ponzi what comes to some people's mind is scam and Bitcoin should not be link to Ponzi as is a very different thing.

[MainIbem]

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Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

Maybe best to avoid any misleading information towards name calling of bitcoin you or other people should stop calling it as Ponzi since that word give bad impression to people since it associate with frauds or anything illegal that you can imagine.

Just call bitcoin as bitcoin and don't use other term to describe it since you don't know what came up on the people's mind especially when you call it a Ponzi like asset. This is also the reason why I don't call bitcoin as crypto since it mislead people again to other scam project saying that they are the next bitcoin. To many confusion spreading around and to many newbies in the scene so to avoid giving problems to those people we should call bitcoin its known name and don't compare it with other asset.

Yeah you are right if one don't call Bitcoin by it's name you may mislead some newbies, I know someone who believed that all other crypto coin are also known as Bitcoin which lead him to invest in a shitcoin and he lost his money, so we should always call Bitcoin by it's name to avoid complicating things.
Ponzi scheme has really made a lot of people lose there money and by the mention of the name Ponzi what comes to some people's mind is scam and Bitcoin should not be link to Ponzi as is a very different thing.

People should understand that there are newbies who don't engage in discussion here but often come on threads like this to learn about Bitcoin investment therefore everyone has to be careful concerning things they say so as not to mislead those newbies and give wrong impression to them about Bitcoin, he might not have called Bitcoin a Ponzi but relating it to that name alone is mislead and once those newbies learn that a high ranking member is relating Bitcoin to Ponzi then they'll think it has scam features on the long run, let's the guided and try as much as possible possible to pass the right informations while we discuss about the concept of Bitcoin investment, Bitcoin has nothing relating to Ponzi and if one invest on Bitcoin the right way and follow it concepts thereby using good methods then they'll benefit from it and even recover loses, expect for those who use it for trading despite being aware of the high risk factor.

[Justbillywitt]

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Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

You are still likely confusing people with that description of a "naturally-occurring Ponzi."

Under your definition almost anything that is used for monetary value would be a "naturally-occurring Ponzi" since it's price would go up based on increased demand.

For some reason you are stubborn, and you continue to repeat such a confusing term as if you are making some kinds of a brilliant proclamation, when you are not, and it would be better that you figure out another way to say what you are saying, to the extent that you are even making a decent point in regards to either particulars of how bitcoin gets its price or how bitcoin might compare to other assets, such as comparing bitcoin to gold or some other asset.

By the way, bitcoin has a lot of monetary properties that help to derive its value, such as its verifiability, its divisibility, its transportability, its scarcity, the ability to transact and hold it without a third party and in very economical ways, and other qualities related to its programability that also gives utility to folks which may or may not end up driving its price upwards and also contributing to others financializing it and/or speculating on its value...so your ongoing use of Ponzi terminology, which also implies third party manipulation (even if you are trying to suggest that a "naturally" occurring Ponzi might not need a centralized party's manipulation is still misleading as fuck, and likely more confusing than any value that it might bring from the supposed profundity of your characterization of bitcoin in such a way.

And, yeah, you may well continue with your nonsense, and I would expect members to continue to question why you feel some kind of importance to insist on such a misleading characterization and categorization of bitcoin.  You really think anyone is helped to understand bitcoin better by that crap, and if you don't give any shits then you are engaging int he same kind of behaviors as the bitcoin detractors, the naysayers, the shitcoin pumpers and the ones engaging in affinity scams that tend to create confusing with their baloney narratives.

It's very confusing indeed that he keeps repeating such derogatory word towards bitcoin. The first time he made use of the word here, I noticed lots of users here reacted angrily against the use of such words towards bitcoin, myself included. But it's still shocking to me that he keeps making use of that Ponzi of a word. I wonder how someone in his right senses will compare bitcoin and gold, and even went as low as calling bitcoin Ponzi. It makes me wonder if he actually knows the qualities of Money. Bitcoin is money and gold a natural resources. Bitcoin is a class above gold and gold doesn't come close to bitcoin. So I think it's senseless for someone to categorised bitcoin and gold together. I would have understand if it was a newbie making such comparisons, but coming from someone like him, makes me sick.

[ultrloa]

Yeah you are right if one don't call Bitcoin by it's name you may mislead some newbies, I know someone who believed that all other crypto coin are also known as Bitcoin which lead him to invest in a shitcoin and he lost his money, so we should always call Bitcoin by it's name to avoid complicating things.
Ponzi scheme has really made a lot of people lose there money and by the mention of the name Ponzi what comes to some people's mind is scam and Bitcoin should not be link to Ponzi as is a very different thing.

People should understand that there are newbies who don't engage in discussion here but often come on threads like this to learn about Bitcoin investment therefore everyone has to be careful concerning things they say so as not to mislead those newbies and give wrong impression to them about Bitcoin, he might not have called Bitcoin a Ponzi but relating it to that name alone is mislead and once those newbies learn that a high ranking member is relating Bitcoin to Ponzi then they'll think it has scam features on the long run, let's the guided and try as much as possible possible to pass the right informations while we discuss about the concept of Bitcoin investment, Bitcoin has nothing relating to Ponzi and if one invest on Bitcoin the right way and follow it concepts thereby using good methods then they'll benefit from it and even recover loses, expect for those who use it for trading despite being aware of the high risk factor.

For other people who have lots of experience to deal with bitcoin provably they would know the point of those tricky opinions.

But we should not forget that there are so many newbies that can able to read each sentences we write. That's why its really good for us to avoid writing up any possible statement that can mislead people.

That's why I agree to those people saying that we should call bitcoin as on its name and separate that crypto calling to alts. For calling a name which is related to scam then provably it will confuse newbies and worst they might think that its a scam because someone call it as Ponzi. We can make it easy to understand if we didn't put any unwanted label on bitcoin.

[Dzwaafu11]

It is clear that after making a long-term investment, if an investor monitors the market regularly and due to small changes in the market, that investor himself is affected and sells his investment, then this investment strategy is not called a long-term investment. If an investor sells his investment at some profit after purchase then we will consider it as early trading. Investing is not as easy as it sounds. In long term investment planning an investor needs to be patient enough and have the mindset to sacrifice a lot. After investing it is normal to make profit or loss due to market volatility, if you cannot hold enough capital during this temporary profit or loss then the investment is worthless.

Some investors believe that if they invest and see a small change in the market, it is appropriate to sell and take the profit, and it's wrong. As we often repeat, an investor who is willing to invest in bitcoin for a long time is anticipated to sell his investment after three or four years because, historically, the market always reaches an all-time high after that time.

However, many investors fail to comprehend when they should expect to make a significant return from their investment; it is best if they continue to invest throughout this period and wait at least four years before extracting profits.

[Wind_FURY]

No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.

Do you even know about Ponzi or the origin of that name, well for your information that name dates back to Charles Ponzi the creator of Ponzi Scheme or rob Peter to pay Paul investment activity. He was always known for his criminal activities from a young age until he came to US. The name Ponzi "scheme" and relates to his fraudulent act of 1920 where he defrauded US investors of almost $15 million before being convicted and sent to prison. so, There is no Ponzi without the scheme going hand in hand. Ponzi Invented Ponzi scheme, so there is no way you are making a strong point out of that without hinting on criminal or scam undertones. read This for more clarity

Bitcoin on the other hand was born out of the underlaying desire to foster accountability, transparency, security and value for your money which promotes a sense of inclusion and an equal opportunity to everyone that adopts it properly to benefit from its abundance. bitcoin was intentional and not just something naturally occurring and the intentions have not changed but continues to be validated as it gains more recognition and trust among investors.

So next time, even if you are drunk, DO NOT ASSOCIATE BITCOIN WITH PONZI EVER AGAIN.

Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

Maybe best to avoid any misleading information towards name calling of bitcoin you or other people should stop calling it as Ponzi since that word give bad impression to people since it associate with frauds or anything illegal that you can imagine.

Just call bitcoin as bitcoin and don't use other term to describe it since you don't know what came up on the people's mind especially when you call it a Ponzi like asset. This is also the reason why I don't call bitcoin as crypto since it mislead people again to other scam project saying that they are the next bitcoin. To many confusion spreading around and to many newbies in the scene so to avoid giving problems to those people we should call bitcoin its known name and don't compare it with other asset.

I'm sorry if you didn't get the context. I'm NOT calling Bitcoin a "Ponzi Scheme" because it's NOT that. Bitcoin is a Naturally-Occurring Ponzi. It's "Ponzi-Like", like Gold, it's NOT a Ponzi Scheme like those scams you read about in the news.

If you actually study and understand the market dynamics of Bitcoin and Gold, it does have a resemblance to a naturally-occurring Ponzi-Like process. - That creates a feedback loop from investors and speculators' positive projections/expectations which causes price surges WITHOUT a nefarious entity and WITHOUT fraudulent behavior.

I'm NOT saying that the market is a scam, ser. If you don't understand or didn't get the context, then I'm sorry.

[Samlucky O]

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Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

You are still likely confusing people with that description of a "naturally-occurring Ponzi."

Under your definition almost anything that is used for monetary value would be a "naturally-occurring Ponzi" since it's price would go up based on increased demand.

For some reason you are stubborn, and you continue to repeat such a confusing term as if you are making some kinds of a brilliant proclamation, when you are not, and it would be better that you figure out another way to say what you are saying, to the extent that you are even making a decent point in regards to either particulars of how bitcoin gets its price or how bitcoin might compare to other assets, such as comparing bitcoin to gold or some other asset.

I have known @wind fury to be an unserious and unscrupulous human being. I am beginning to think he's a chameleon walking through the dry and green leafs without a permanent colour. He jeopardize or mess up things a curney way and pretend as if it was a joke perhaps he is indirectly being serious but lack the courage to say it openly. It would be better @wind fury you make your opinion openly than beating around the Bush. He has never been serious for once. He has even made an attempt of changing the thread multiple times without a tangible reason. If he continues like this his words may not be taken seriously or may be seen as misleeding to the newbies who are up coming.

@Wind Fury!! It's better you start being serious and reasonable for once.  I Think you will likely explain more on the deffirent between

1) Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top.
2) "naturally-occurring Ponzi Like Gold,."

The funny part is that when he starts being directly unserious he uses this sticker to act as if he was not being serious, perhaps he is serious

[Oshio-man]

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Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

Maybe best to avoid any misleading information towards name calling of bitcoin you or other people should stop calling it as Ponzi since that word give bad impression to people since it associate with frauds or anything illegal that you can imagine.

Just call bitcoin as bitcoin and don't use other term to describe it since you don't know what came up on the people's mind especially when you call it a Ponzi like asset. This is also the reason why I don't call bitcoin as crypto since it mislead people again to other scam project saying that they are the next bitcoin. To many confusion spreading around and to many newbies in the scene so to avoid giving problems to those people we should call bitcoin its known name and don't compare it with other asset.

Yeah you are right if one don't call Bitcoin by it's name you may mislead some newbies, I know someone who believed that all other crypto coin are also known as Bitcoin which lead him to invest in a shitcoin and he lost his money, so we should always call Bitcoin by it's name to avoid complicating things.
Ponzi scheme has really made a lot of people lose there money and by the mention of the name Ponzi what comes to some people's mind is scam and Bitcoin should not be link to Ponzi as is a very different thing.

People should understand that there are newbies who don't engage in discussion here but often come on threads like this to learn about Bitcoin investment therefore everyone has to be careful concerning things they say so as not to mislead those newbies and give wrong impression to them about Bitcoin, he might not have called Bitcoin a Ponzi but relating it to that name alone is mislead and once those newbies learn that a high ranking member is relating Bitcoin to Ponzi then they'll think it has scam features on the long run, let's the guided and try as much as possible possible to pass the right informations while we discuss about the concept of Bitcoin investment, Bitcoin has nothing relating to Ponzi and if one invest on Bitcoin the right way and follow it concepts thereby using good methods then they'll benefit from it and even recover loses, expect for those who use it for trading despite being aware of the high risk factor.

Beginniners should know that not everything they see or hear from a thread they will use to establish their own investment, there are some strategies that will work for Mr John and it will not work for Mr Paul if they invest different capital in that investment, you as a beginner, you need to carry out your personal research before doing what you hear or seen in the thread because there are methods they will not display on that thread for you not to know everything about the methods but if you concentrate and go deeper in research, you will definitely get it right to boost your income in your investment. Bear season is the right way to earn income in your holding when bull season begin to display, do you want to buy bitcoin now? I will advice you to wait for the price to decrease back to $50k before you can buy and hold for long years, before you can think of release them for sale and it will open your eyes to see that long holding is profitable than short holding.

[Sim_card]

It is clear that after making a long-term investment, if an investor monitors the market regularly and due to small changes in the market, that investor himself is affected and sells his investment, then this investment strategy is not called a long-term investment. If an investor sells his investment at some profit after purchase then we will consider it as early trading. Investing is not as easy as it sounds. In long term investment planning an investor needs to be patient enough and have the mindset to sacrifice a lot. After investing it is normal to make profit or loss due to market volatility, if you cannot hold enough capital during this temporary profit or loss then the investment is worthless.

Some investors believe that if they invest and see a small change in the market, it is appropriate to sell and take the profit, and it's wrong. As we often repeat, an investor who is willing to invest in bitcoin for a long time is anticipated to sell his investment after three or four yearsbecause, historically, the market always reaches an all-time high after that time.

However, many investors fail to comprehend when they should expect to make a significant return from their investment; it is best if they continue to invest throughout this period and wait at least four years before extracting profits.

If you are still young, it is good that you extend your bitcoin investment timeline to 10 years and above because that is what really seems to be a long-term duration. You should know that the more you are increasing and hodli your bitcoin investment for a longer time, the more you have a bigger chance of increasing your bitcoin investment and enjoy the compounding effect of your portfolio overtime. You will easily get to your bitcoin target and have a good size of bitcoin in future.

Three years is not considered to be a long-term, but if you sell your bitcoin portfolio after four years, what will you be using the fiat currency for that will depreciate due to inflation, and will you start all over again to accumulate. If you know that you will still buy back after selling all your bitcoin or you know that you love to have bitcoin investment, then there's no need to sell at all and focus on a longer timeline than wasting te time that you will be using to increase your bitcoin investment for the future sake than selling after every four years to buy again.

If you are already old, four years timeline is ok so that you don't die and leave your bitcoin investment when it is not of your will.

[Zackz5000]

No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.

Do you even know about Ponzi or the origin of that name, well for your information that name dates back to Charles Ponzi the creator of Ponzi Scheme or rob Peter to pay Paul investment activity. He was always known for his criminal activities from a young age until he came to US. The name Ponzi "scheme" and relates to his fraudulent act of 1920 where he defrauded US investors of almost $15 million before being convicted and sent to prison. so, There is no Ponzi without the scheme going hand in hand. Ponzi Invented Ponzi scheme, so there is no way you are making a strong point out of that without hinting on criminal or scam undertones. read This for more clarity

Bitcoin on the other hand was born out of the underlaying desire to foster accountability, transparency, security and value for your money which promotes a sense of inclusion and an equal opportunity to everyone that adopts it properly to benefit from its abundance. bitcoin was intentional and not just something naturally occurring and the intentions have not changed but continues to be validated as it gains more recognition and trust among investors.

So next time, even if you are drunk, DO NOT ASSOCIATE BITCOIN WITH PONZI EVER AGAIN.

Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

Maybe best to avoid any misleading information towards name calling of bitcoin you or other people should stop calling it as Ponzi since that word give bad impression to people since it associate with frauds or anything illegal that you can imagine.

Just call bitcoin as bitcoin and don't use other term to describe it since you don't know what came up on the people's mind especially when you call it a Ponzi like asset. This is also the reason why I don't call bitcoin as crypto since it mislead people again to other scam project saying that they are the next bitcoin. To many confusion spreading around and to many newbies in the scene so to avoid giving problems to those people we should call bitcoin its known name and don't compare it with other asset.

I'm sorry if you didn't get the context. I'm NOT calling Bitcoin a "Ponzi Scheme" because it's NOT that. Bitcoin is a Naturally-Occurring Ponzi. It's "Ponzi-Like", like Gold, it's NOT a Ponzi Scheme like those scams you read about in the news.

If you actually study and understand the market dynamics of Bitcoin and Gold, it does have a resemblance to a naturally-occurring Ponzi-Like process. - That creates a feedback loop from investors and speculators' positive projections/expectations which causes price surges WITHOUT a nefarious entity and WITHOUT fraudulent behavior.

I'm NOT saying that the market is a scam, ser. If you don't understand or didn't get the context, then I'm sorry.

When even people hear the word Ponzi they refer it to be a scam investment and that is what it is where by you invest today and make some million dollar tomorrow because through this information has most persons lost a reasonable amount of money, and using that word Naturally-Occurring Ponzi is what I don't understand those that knows what Ponzi scheme is who has interest to invest in Bitcoin might decide not to invest because they will think is a scam investment due to the word Naturally-Occurring Ponzi honestly it could be misleading.

[Tmoonz]

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Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

Maybe best to avoid any misleading information towards name calling of bitcoin you or other people should stop calling it as Ponzi since that word give bad impression to people since it associate with frauds or anything illegal that you can imagine.

Just call bitcoin as bitcoin and don't use other term to describe it since you don't know what came up on the people's mind especially when you call it a Ponzi like asset. This is also the reason why I don't call bitcoin as crypto since it mislead people again to other scam project saying that they are the next bitcoin. To many confusion spreading around and to many newbies in the scene so to avoid giving problems to those people we should call bitcoin its known name and don't compare it with other asset.

Yeah you are right if one don't call Bitcoin by it's name you may mislead some newbies, I know someone who believed that all other crypto coin are also known as Bitcoin which lead him to invest in a shitcoin and he lost his money, so we should always call Bitcoin by it's name to avoid complicating things.
Ponzi scheme has really made a lot of people lose there money and by the mention of the name Ponzi what comes to some people's mind is scam and Bitcoin should not be link to Ponzi as is a very different thing.

People should understand that there are newbies who don't engage in discussion here but often come on threads like this to learn about Bitcoin investment therefore everyone has to be careful concerning things they say so as not to mislead those newbies and give wrong impression to them about Bitcoin, he might not have called Bitcoin a Ponzi but relating it to that name alone is mislead and once those newbies learn that a high ranking member is relating Bitcoin to Ponzi then they'll think it has scam features on the long run, let's the guided and try as much as possible possible to pass the right informations while we discuss about the concept of Bitcoin investment, Bitcoin has nothing relating to Ponzi and if one invest on Bitcoin the right way and follow it concepts thereby using good methods then they'll benefit from it and even recover loses, expect for those who use it for trading despite being aware of the high risk factor.

Beginniners should know that not everything they see or hear from a thread they will use to establish their own investment, there are some strategies that will work for Mr John and it will not work for Mr Paul if they invest different capital in that investment, you as a beginner, you need to carry out your personal research before doing what you hear or seen in the thread because there are methods they will not display on that thread for you not to know everything about the methods but if you concentrate and go deeper in research, you will definitely get it right to boost your income in your investment. Bear season is the right way to earn income in your holding when bull season begin to display, do you want to buy bitcoin now? I will advice you to wait for the price to decrease back to $50k before you can buy and hold for long years, before you can think of release them for sale and it will open your eyes to see that long holding is profitable than short holding.

This is very wrong and can be possible to misleading newbies, it is Bitcoin we are talking about here hence the watin strategy before accumulating Bitcoin is wrong for someone that is still very early in his or her Bitcoin journey,
If actually buying to hold for as long as necessary is the motive it is a total waste of time waiting for a price drop before buying, perhaps there is no certainty that the price will go as low as you plan or it could even probably go higher and at such resulting missing good buying opportunities when you had the chance to. The logic is to buy whenever you have the money readily available for investment irrespective of the price points, whether in bear or bullish, the DCA strategy is long overly emphasis and it worth reminding  as it helps investors increase their holding irrespective of the price points and allow them to make investment decisions without any form of pressure.

[Proty]

No, I never said it's a Ponzi "Scheme" with an entity on top running the "Scheme". Get the whole context. Bitcoin, like Gold, is a naturally-occurring Ponzi. It's simply a market that was boot-strapped by a community that values the asset.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BUT, Bitcoin does have technical features that ARE VALUED especially by some groups of people that are in need of censorship-resistance.

Obviously, you are being sarcastic and I understand it clearly.

I'm not being sarcastic. Bitcoin is like Gold - it's a naturally-occurring Ponzi. But it's NOT a Ponzi "Scheme" with a nefarious entity on top trying to scam people. It simply means that a market developed around something that was adopted and which is valued as an asset class.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Plus as a decentralized, censorship-resistant asset that could give its users some self-sovereignty, it SHOULD be valued.

Do you even know about Ponzi or the origin of that name, well for your information that name dates back to Charles Ponzi the creator of Ponzi Scheme or rob Peter to pay Paul investment activity. He was always known for his criminal activities from a young age until he came to US. The name Ponzi "scheme" and relates to his fraudulent act of 1920 where he defrauded US investors of almost $15 million before being convicted and sent to prison. so, There is no Ponzi without the scheme going hand in hand. Ponzi Invented Ponzi scheme, so there is no way you are making a strong point out of that without hinting on criminal or scam undertones. read This for more clarity

Bitcoin on the other hand was born out of the underlaying desire to foster accountability, transparency, security and value for your money which promotes a sense of inclusion and an equal opportunity to everyone that adopts it properly to benefit from its abundance. bitcoin was intentional and not just something naturally occurring and the intentions have not changed but continues to be validated as it gains more recognition and trust among investors.

So next time, even if you are drunk, DO NOT ASSOCIATE BITCOIN WITH PONZI EVER AGAIN.

Ser, the term "Ponzi" was merely stigmatized because the originator was a scammer. But TECHNICALLY it describes how in order to exit the system with some profit, NEW MONEY must enter that system. Do you understand?

Bitcoin is a naturally-occurring Ponzi LIKE Gold, NOT a scam like those Ponzi Schemes that has a nefarious entity on top. There's a difference, ser.

Describing bitcoin with the term naturally occurring  ponzi sound more scary and confusing to me because of my experience with ponzi which i believe so many have had such experience ,you maybe actually trying to prove a point but by using the term ponzi scheme which makes what you are saying to appear misleading. Ponzi scheme has done more harm than good and bitcoin is nothing of such so describing bitcoin as a naturally occurring ponzi will only end up in scaring newbie in investing in bitcoin  and making them to view bitcoin as a scam because of what ponzi is known for .so i would advise you look for a more suitable term  in driving down your point instead of ponzi scheme.

[Shadiq]

If you are still young, it is good that you extend your bitcoin investment timeline to 10 years and above because that is what really seems to be a long-term duration. You should know that the more you are increasing and hodli your bitcoin investment for a longer time, the more you have a bigger chance of increasing your bitcoin investment and enjoy the compounding effect of your portfolio overtime. You will easily get to your bitcoin target and have a good size of bitcoin in future.

A young man's bitcoin is more convenient and easier for him to hold in the long run. As soon as a person is 25 years of age or somewhat less or more. In this case, if he holds it for 3 or 4 cycles, then he can invest his money in a real estate business or any other business with that investment and create a source of income for life management. Or he can use this money to improve his quality of life more. I think around 40 years of age or less would be the right time for a person to get established. Every action has a reaction, if you can make the investment at this young age by making sacrifices and prolonging it then you can expect something good in return later or something good is expected of you. If you have been thinking of luxury since now, it is difficult to expect anything good in response in later life.