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May 10, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
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What the fuck do you care if he pays any taxes at all or not?
You are really going to try to snitch on a fellow Bitcoiner to the IRS about taxes?

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May 10, 2019, 09:05:38 AM
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What the fuck do you care if he pays any taxes at all or not?
You are really going to try to snitch on a fellow Bitcoiner to the IRS about taxes?

You may believe crytpo is just an open book to scam, but I happen to want it to grow.  :/

It's a lot about his dishonest, violent behavior, too.

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May 10, 2019, 11:58:40 AM
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What the fuck do you care if he pays any taxes at all or not?
You are really going to try to snitch on a fellow Bitcoiner to the IRS about taxes?

Everybody should care... if you don't want to pay the taxes due to you community, please move somewhere else.

If you are living in a community (as most of us do), man up and support your community accordingly. If not: GTFO!

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May 10, 2019, 02:32:19 PM
Last edit: May 10, 2019, 02:56:45 PM by eddie13
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Everybody should care...

No, you should stay out of other people's business when it comes to the government who will throw you in prison for years over a technicality..

You may believe crytpo is just an open book to scam

Scam what? The IRS?
The IRS is the biggest scam in history and they don't just trick you out of your money, they come with a gun and take it, and will take you too!

How would you feel if they no-knock raid his house and he gets killed, they kill his dog, or he loses everything over some stupid forum disagreement after you sent the government to his, a Bitcoiner's, house?

If they find Anything at all on him after going over him with a fine toothed comb they can easily freeze and/or confiscate all of his assets including the money he is holding for the forum for who knows how long..
You are sending the IRS after the treasurer of this forum and this forum's BTC stash!

Maybe you guys trust in the government to always do what's right including get the coin back to Theymos but who knows, they could pull another Shaun Bridges or whatever them crooked feds might come up with. I don't trust them one bit, not to mention all the hassle it could create for Theymos..

I don't advocate for intentionally breaking any sort of laws, but screw the government..

my "SEC friend"

Are you a government snitch too? Over some small time mining operation?

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May 10, 2019, 03:17:04 PM
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including the money he is holding for the forum for who knows how long

hate to be "that guy" but maybe theymos should use multi sig instead of having a single point of failure for those funds..

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May 10, 2019, 04:05:58 PM
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[...] Maybe you guys trust in the government to always do what's right [...]

No, I don't... all people make mistakes (intentionally or not). But you do not pay taxes "for the government", you pay taxes for the community. I like living in a relatively save environment with nice infrastructure and medical care. If you don't, then please - again - GTFO!

And yes, I don't trust people who do not pay their taxes. And, further more, in this case it's not even a "private" business as we're actualy talking about a person doing business...

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May 10, 2019, 05:54:41 PM
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Not only do I pay my taxes, but I only claim the gains. I have significant losses stemming from all the activity I’ve done while BTC was much higher that I could claim. I believe if I am audited I will receive a refund, but we will see. Thinking I haven’t paid six figures in taxes for crypto related income would be a mistake, and if Vod files the form to receive a reward with the current information he is claiming, I believe he will be charged with perjury. He also posted the wrong information about his anonymous form and receiving a reward, so I don’t believe he’s even spoken with a professional and is lying about that too.

I think Vod’s behavior is damaging to innovation and I think it should be crystal clear now he is an enemy to bitcointalk users. Dangerous speculation with reporting to authorities could cause headaches for any of us. Is this really going to be the new thing here? Are we as a community going to stand for this type of behavior?

If you still trust Vod at this point, take a long look in the mirror.


including the money he is holding for the forum for who knows how long

hate to be "that guy" but maybe theymos should use multi sig instead of having a single point of failure for those funds..

I actually agree. The jealousy I’ve encountered for holding that position alone has been so toxic, I would welcome others joining me in that responsibility at this point. It would feel like a target has been taken off my back.

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May 10, 2019, 06:54:11 PM
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including the money he is holding for the forum for who knows how long

hate to be "that guy" but maybe theymos should use multi sig instead of having a single point of failure for those funds..

I actually agree. The jealousy I’ve encountered for holding that position alone has been so toxic, I would welcome others joining me in that responsibility at this point. It would feel like a target has been taken off my back.
I think theymos should consider it. At-least to have a 2/3 multiSig wallet. You and other two party may be. Accident happens and prevention is the better step than to wait for the damage.

By the way, I thought the case between you and Vod were about to cool down but other day when I saw the investigation topic I had to feel sorry. We don't want personal attacks instead we want to work together for greater benefit of Bitcoin.

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May 10, 2019, 07:21:45 PM
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How would you feel if they no-knock raid his house and he gets killed, they kill his dog, or he loses everything over some stupid forum disagreement after you sent the government to his, a Bitcoiner's, house?

You really should stay at home and don't watch the news. It will blow your mind...

How would you feel if an elderly man gets hit by a car, you are super duper brave and call an ambulance and then it is involved in an accident killing two people?  

How does Quickseller feel thinking I rape children but he is doesn't want to endanger my life as a fellow bitcoiner?

The world is full of questions and the butterfly effect.  I expect my community to call me out if I start behaving poorly.

Maybe you should ask OG why he doesn't pay taxes?  Ask him what happened the last couple times HIS neighbors COURAGEOUSLY had to call 911, and they didn't fret over the potential "what ifs" - that is stupid!

Besides, OG has good "ass kicking" security model in place, should anyone come by.  Smiley

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May 10, 2019, 10:45:57 PM
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my "SEC friend"

Are you a government snitch too? Over some small time mining operation?
You missed this part:

I am really sorry, but I couldn't find any legal information about this organization, and my "SEC friend" told me that if something looks fishy to outsiders (not to people who are "in" it) then it probably is, therefore Vod doesn't need to apologize.

" "SEC friend" " probably confused you here.

Look:

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What steps can I take to avoid Ponzi schemes and other investment frauds?

Whether you are a first-time investor or have been investing for many years, there are some basic questions you should always ask before you commit your hard-earned money to an investment.

The SEC sees too many investors who might have avoided trouble and losses if they had asked questions from the start and verified the answers with information from independent sources.

When you consider your next investment opportunity, start with these five questions:

    Is the seller licensed?
    Is the investment registered?
    How do the risks compare with the potential rewards?
    Do I understand the investment?
    Where can I turn for help?

source: https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answersponzihtm.html#AvoidPonzi

Here is another thing which my "SEC friend" told me:
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  • Ask questions before investing.
If you choose to invest in these products, please ask questions and demand clear answers.
Source: https://www.sec.gov/ICO

You can find very useful information on that page, Eddie13.

Got it? " "SEC friend" ".

For example, this one was (is?) useful question never answered, or post was removed, or never answered:

Really hope we have a new way to trade shares and receive dividends before the first ASICs arrive.

You will.

Are you located in the US?  I am just wondering about the possibility of the SEC coming to get you for trading an unregistered security?

That would be most sad as this is the one bitcoin investment that has promise.

Still don't understand? Scare quotes. Look:

Nice. I just calculated out the per-share amount in today's payment and it came out 0.00131686 / 0.00140476 = aprox 6.2% "missing bitcoins" sweet Smiley

Transaction: ed5840c188b8aa691fd6288aee480403f2e4138531360619b7ccb0cf34985e36

***disclaimer, that's my own & based on 12 shares:

My payment of 0.01580232 (12 shares worth) divided by 12 came to aprox 0.00131686 per share.



... err, I meant "seat" ... lol whatever. Thanks nonnakip & OgNasty.

" "seat" ". Scare quote eddie13. Got it now? Ok.

Any IDEA why this ex DT2 member is calling this operation best second investment?
Nastymining and Nastyfans rock! My second favorite investment after asicminer [...]
Isn't it donation? He,he.

Any idea why this user got dividend and not donation?
Yay, got my dividends... Behold the wholesome 5 Satoshi...  Grin

Ex DT2 member shilling again:
Those of us who have been around since the beginning know that trustworthiness, long term vision, and doing what is best to truly support bitcoin is what you are looking for in your BTC earning relationships. Live long and prosper Nastyfans!
Who added this shill account to DT2 Huh


You have to read "less edited" thread http://web.archive.org/web/20130305001551/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0 , I just came to page #100 and it is FUN FUN FUN! But you have to start reading it from the beginning, there are not so many pages but eventually they will grow in number as you read, seems someone archived every single page.


Ok, I have to confess, OG explained it:
I don't want to pretend I'm a lawyer, but from my understanding, all I am doing is mining BTC [...]

Mining, donations, but this person asked something:
How are the dividends going to work for the coins? They're rapidly approaching (if not already) dust status for individual seats. I don't really see how you can do a web interface to control payouts with the coins.

We've discussed a few options.  A threshold is the most obvious and easiest solution.  I prefer to think that the dust issue with Bitcoin is going to be addressed by the developers at some point, especially with the recent rise in value.  BTC has all of those decimal places for a reason, to think that dust will be a problem long term is a mistake in my opinion.  Nevertheless, we will address it.
Dividends? Aren't those....donations? Am I missing something? Ok, well that is very interesting thread to read, can anyone explain me what the fuck is Donation Re-Investment Program ??

Some other things that are being considered...
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  • Donation Re-Investment Program

Distribution of donations to people who are having fun, you have to be kidding me:
The 0.08252801 BTC distributed with last distribution. I guess I pull it from the next distribution. I handle this as accidental donation and refund it with next distribution.

Reading further, oh no, it is ex DT shill again:
It's great to see nastyfans make decisions for the long term health of nastymining over immediate short term gains.

Well, enough reading of that long thread for me today, tomorrow, kids, we shall maybe talk about "200BTC loan and how it was maybe repaid  Smiley" and, and, about....this guy is fucking genius:

I am providing escrow services for a 1% gift (0.003 BTC minimum)
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I will escrow altcoins for double the gift amount
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3. I am not a bank.  Escrows are for a period of 30 days and an additional 1% gift will be required for each

Donations with voting power and percentages of distribution, gifts with percentages and minimum amounts etc etc...

So who is lying eddie13, Vod or OGNasty (just to point this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576.msg50934465#msg50934465 you seems missed it)?


Given all facts observed since this thread started and the fact that some questions remained not answered, my conclusion for this thread is that Vod is not a liar, like stated in topic of this thread.

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Given all facts observed since this thread started and the fact that some questions remained not answered, my conclusion for this thread is that Vod is not a liar, like stated in topic of this thread.

I don't think anyone that is following all this believes that bullshit.

In fact, OG fell from trust so fast once the system was fixed, you have to wonder - was he trusted because he was nice, polite, sympathetic, understanding, etc?  Of course not, his online record and RL record prove he is an ass.

OG was trusted because he was able to offer a "community" way to get BTC easier and cheaper (no tax!) than other projects.  This was a flaw in the old DT system.

If I started up a strip club and told people they could "donate" to get in, "donate" to get a drink, and donate a lot to get a lap-dance, I would be popular and trusted too!  imagine getting to write off your hobby like that!  "I'm no tax lawyer, but all I am doing is bringing my friends together.".  People would jump up to defend me if some "busybody" tried to shut the place down.

I also believe OG is being as honest as usual in cherry picking the words "I pay my taxes".

He is retired.  He has no income.  He just gets donations (no tax!) from nastyfans, and donations from neighbors when he donates excess energy to them.  He does "earn" 0.5 btc a month from this forum, but that's probably no where on the books unless he has cashed out (as a donation lol)

An asshole lives completely off donations from others, just like Al Capone, who also had no income.  Smiley




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........

And your point is? You may have found some possible technical violation of US regulation gotcha as an excuse to call the feds on him because you are mad at him?

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May 11, 2019, 05:10:17 PM
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You are really going to try to snitch on a fellow Bitcoiner to the IRS about taxes?
Vod has a long history of trying to get people fired when he does not like them. He also doxes people for similar reasons.

I would not put it past him to try to get someone arrested or audited for similar reasons.

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Vod has a long history of trying to get people fired when he does not like them. He also doxes people for similar reasons.

I would not put it past him to try to get someone arrested or audited for similar reasons.

I don't like muggers,  If were to see a person being mugged, I would intervene, while you would just bark.  Unless it was a child, in which case you would do nothing.  

Some say I was there booting that bitch out of Eden for biting that apple without paying for it.   Looooooong history I have.   Smiley

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So who is lying eddie13, Vod or OGNasty

I took the time to go through your links to be sure I haven't missed anything, which I seem to have not..

If you really want to have your mind blown... theymos actually told me NOT to remove the negative feedback rating I left for Lauda. Shocked 

I pressured several people to remove inappropriate, unconstructive ratings amongst each other. When OgNasty replied telling me that he perceived real trust issues with Lauda, I responded:
If this is what you believe, then you shouldn't remove the rating, but then it wouldn't be fair for me to pressure Lauda to remove ratings against you. Personally, I find Lauda's history gray, not red. And the trust system is only going to work if there's some level of forgiveness and de-escalation. But if you really believe that Lauda isn't safe to deal with, then you should leave the rating.

Then there was an exchange between OgNasty and Lauda in which Lauda kept a laudably Cool cool head, and OgNasty was able to reach a point where he could feel OK removing the rating.

The ratings did all end up being removed, which I'm happy with, and I appreciate the willingness to de-escalate and forgive from the people involved in this case. The fact that this issue came up at all indicates that the trust system isn't working perfectly (and I am considering future system changes), but it's still a good outcome.

This is your massive lie? Weak sauce.. 


Let's talk again when you get charged
Stop trying to threaten me.
I don't see anyone doing this. It is time to stop embarrassing yourself any further and to lock this thread.

You really didn't see him threatening to cause him to get charged? Well, if it wasn't crystal clear then, it surely is now now isn't it?

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May 11, 2019, 08:23:09 PM
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Yes, it is crystal clear Vod is a liar. His defense of this is to spout more lies, like I don’t pay taxes. He obviously has no way of knowing what I pay, and is full of shit. Honestly though, if this ends with me getting a fat refund check and Vod being arrested for perjury, it’s a win in my book.

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..being arrested for perjury..
Sidebar: If I believe somebody is evading taxes, and I report them and it turns out that I was wrong I'd get arrested for perjury over there? Or are you referring to some other parts of this.. thread/thing/whatever is going on?

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May 11, 2019, 10:01:10 PM
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..being arrested for perjury..
Sidebar: If I believe somebody is evading taxes, and I report them and it turns out that I was wrong I'd get arrested for perjury over there? Or are you referring to some other parts of this.. thread/thing/whatever is going on?

Depending on what form you file, yes. Vod claimed he was going to get a reward which means he’d have to file a form and sign under penalty of perjury that the information he’s providing is accurate. Since it is nothing but provable lies, he would most definitely be charged. If he spoke to a professional like he claims, he’d know this.

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May 11, 2019, 10:33:22 PM
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..being arrested for perjury..
Sidebar: If I believe somebody is evading taxes, and I report them and it turns out that I was wrong I'd get arrested for perjury over there?

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That's what my report was based on.   Was OG lying when he wrote that, and how would he prove I knew he was lying?  How would he show I claimed I was getting a reward?  How would he know what form I was told to use?    Or will he just state we misunderstood his cherry picked words... again?

Obviously, the whole forum can see he has won.... again.

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May 11, 2019, 11:22:19 PM
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..being arrested for perjury..
Sidebar: If I believe somebody is evading taxes, and I report them and it turns out that I was wrong I'd get arrested for perjury over there?

Funds donated to NastyFans = 729.38 BTC

That's what my report was based on.   Was OG lying when he wrote that, and how would he prove I knew he was lying?  How would he show I claimed I was getting a reward?  How would he know what form I was told to use?    Or will he just state we misunderstood his cherry picked words... again?

Obviously, the whole forum can see he has won.... again.

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I’m not the only one who donates to NastyFans, and I don’t control that address. You’re literally trying to say anyone who donates money to NastyFans and everyone involved is a tax cheat, with no knowledge of any of their taxes. Is everyone that sells anything in the goods section a tax cheat? How about the people who donated to Free Ross, or this forum? Where’s the line Vod? You’re clearly an enemy to the community at this point and I’m happy to allow you to continue digging your hole. Soon you’ll be so deep, you’ll be out of sight, and out of mind.  Grin

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