Vod is an extortionist. Get him out of DT!

[OgNasty]

I would say the vast majority of the animosity towards OG stems back to Laudas extortion scandal where OG stood up against Lauda, and it seems a lot of Lauda's buddies at the time are still mad at OG over it, even some of those that don't much like or trust Lauda anymore...

I can't speak for others but that's not really true for me... Og's been at this for years (frivolous trust ratings I mean) while he was still invincible in the old DT1. Lauda's "scandal" was a good excuse for him to pretend like he wasn't using the trust system for personal squabbles.

Sure it is mooney. I identified you immediately as a troll and you couldn’t keep me out of your mouth after that. You have always been obsessed with the idea of trying to bring me down, but here I am still in your mouth, maybe try turning around for a bit.

I do also enjoy that Vod is beginning to claim he apologized to me. Feels like we’re starting to make progress.

[dragonvslinux]

Now the real test: will OG give me more negative feedback and go the way of mosprognoz? Or stick to the original lauda style?

How much do you know about OG and the history of these situations?
Are you really sure you know what you are doing here?

I would say the vast majority of the animosity towards OG stems back to Laudas extortion scandal where OG stood up against Lauda, and it seems a lot of Lauda's buddies at the time are still mad at OG over it, even some of those that don't much like or trust Lauda anymore...

I know enough from the past yes, that's why I trusted OG's judgment more of less since I had a trust list. What I'm seeing is the same pattern of behavior. Someone who got kicked from DT before, made a come back, then started promoting a trust cult when gaining sufficient inclusions, while refusing to acknowledge any concerns over it. Ring any bells? Although in fairness Lauda's cult started over a year ago, and was only recently bumped this year after sufficiently stabilizing trust. This to my knowledge, is OG's first attempt, but I realise someone could correct me here.

I had doubts that the same problem was occurring as with Lauda, as my assumption was only based on comparisons, statistics and a bit of deja vu, but then OG confirmed it for me with retaliatory negative feedback, same as Lauda's oopsy. Therefore, I'll happily make this comparison, regardless of the past history of his actions, as we are currently living in the present. If he wants to join the exclusive club of discredited DT members who negged me after I confront them on their bullshit, that's his choice, and as someone who missed having a discredited -1, I respect his foolish decision to do so.

Thanks but yes I know what I'm doing, I left constructively critical neutral feedback to warn others (especially newbies or lazy people) not to blindly follow an anti-vod cult, not cos I like the guy (I deeply distrust him ironically), but because the trust system shouldn't be exploited for this by well-trusted members who have the ability to do so - and I'm not the only person to see this. If it wasn't obvious from my previous posts, I was trying to help him save his own reputation here, as were many other people.

All power corrupts, power corrupts all. Fuck trust cults. The stats are going to look wicked on this one.

[OgNasty]

Dragonboy: Dude, I never asked to be in DT and I couldn’t give a fuck less about it. I’m literally telling you over and over again to make a thread dedicated to having me removed for my actions so this thread can remain on topic but you keep whining here. Ask anybody dude, the more you derail my threads the more entrenched I become in my opinion that you are a scamming worthless troll the community would be better off without.

[dragonvslinux]

^^ I was talking about you, not to you. My reply was clearly to eddie13. Take care.

(Still doesn't realise he derailed the thread by posting a trust cult list here)
 

[eddie13]

I would rather see you 2 get along..

Lauda's cult started over a year ago, and was only recently bumped

Yeah, I know..
http://archive.is/vQha5
(I was excluded on it over a year ago..)

and was only recently bumped

What about all the deleted posts from it all this time?

When I first made my trust list I heavily considered OG's trust list and theymos's trust lists, and still do..

Vod should not be on DT..

[hacker1001101001]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576.msg54049724#msg54049724

Think you missed one off your distrust list, needs updating

Still not listening then?   [Archive]. Nice to see my hunches are still in tact! Thanks OG, you're too predictable.
Top tip: When creating a cult-based trust list for your fans to follow, at least keep it updated. Please update it now?

Can you please do me a friendship favour and stop drilling this thread ? It's not going right anyways and you know OG was not forming a CULT but just highlighting the user's not acting actively on there trust lists against Vod.

[LoyceV]

I won’t go as far as saying your involvement in this thread is retaliation for it.

Wait, LoyceV is retaliating against OgNasty?

Nah, OgNasty is saying it by saying he won't say it. That's too philosophical for me

Or perhaps OgNasty ~snip~ can't handle even the mildest criticism.

After some snipping, it looks like this to me indeed.

By my count, seven most recent neg ratings sent by OgNasty (including multiple ratings for Vod) are bullshit/retaliatory/personal squabbles.

None of those make this forum any better or safer.

I would say the vast majority of the animosity towards OG stems back to Laudas extortion scandal where OG stood up against Lauda, and it seems a lot of Lauda's buddies at the time are still mad at OG over it, even some of those that don't much like or trust Lauda anymore...

I have no doubt OgNasty has done many good things, just like Lauda and Vod. I'd say all of them are at 99% good. Unfortunately, it's the 1% that makes them keep fighting, and the drama shows up in far too many topics.
I'd really like to see them all get along, accept the differences, find common ground, ignore eachother and/or move on. None of this is worth all the drama! Add some "Switzerland" to your posting habits, care less about what others say, and above all: you don't have to agree with everything you read on the internet! It's okay, really!

[TECSHARE]

^^ I was talking about you, not to you. My reply was clearly to eddie13. Take care.

(Still doesn't realise he derailed the thread by posting a trust cult list here)
 

This is still WAY off topic. I would report them, but the moderators leave about 95% of my off topic reports unhanded. Everyone needs to clear the fuck out of this thread and make their own if they feel it necessary, unless your discussion is about "Vod is a liar". Regardless of what you think about OGNasty, you are denying him and others a venue to discuss Vod's actions by continuously derailing this thread, which I might point out is Vod's preferred strategy to deal with criticism, that is of course other than leaving negative ratings.

[CryptoLocalATM]

I confirm we are an honest company with excellent initiatives on the blockchain and a renowned company but this user devotes himself to issuing negative feedback trusts, among other things, accusing without investigating who the company is what it does and how it does it ... I confirm that this user is a liar and likes to make discussions hot.

[dragonvsandroid]

^^ I was talking about you, not to you. My reply was clearly to eddie13. Take care.

(Still doesn't realise he derailed the thread by posting a trust cult list here)
 

This is still WAY off topic. I would report them, but the moderators leave about 95% of my off topic reports unhanded.

Nope, respectfully disagree. My reply was directly to OG talking directly to me, making it clear I was responding directly to eddie13. Now I'm responding directly to you. Notice a distinct pattern here? Maybe stop talking to me and I'll stop replying? You know where the report button is.

[TECSHARE]

Nope, respectfully disagree. My reply was directly to OG talking directly to me, making it clear I was responding directly to eddie13. Now I'm responding directly to you. Notice a distinct pattern here? Maybe stop talking to me and I'll stop replying? You know where the report button is.

An off topic reply is still off topic, regardless if it was a reply or not.

[actmyname]

This thread has ascended past any discernible topic of discussion. It has now advanced: evolved into a stream of consciousness by part of the various participants.This post will not be counted for any signature campaign.

[suchmoon]

You have always been obsessed with the idea of trying to bring me down

Provably false. I was most definitely on your side in many of your personal disputes, e.g. one with TwitchySeal, which I now regret seeing how dishonest you are with misrepresenting personal communications etc. I have since learned that you can't be trusted in these situations, including this here with Vod.

I think you shouldn't be in DT1 but that's not for me to decide. I've been excluding you since way before the DT "redesign" so I'm doing my part but if others want to base their trust of you on your words and not on your actions - that's their problem. Carry on with your lies.

[OgNasty]

LoyceV, if you are going to keep posting off topic garbage here, at least have the decency to respond to my post to you.  Continuing to pile on why ignoring your obvious hypocrisy is gutless.

suchmoon, how do I taste today?  Still yummy as ever huh? 


Looks like someone doesn't want me talking about dragonvslinux little "bargain" attempts.  Maybe the nefarious rabbit hole that is dragonvslinux goes deeper than I thought.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

I got an extremely similar message from dragonvslinux only his trust rating used to try and bargain (extortion is the word you used) was a neutral.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

I got an extremely similar message from dragonvslinux only his trust rating used to try and bargain (extortion is the word you used) was a neutral.

And you retaliated with more extortion - leaving a negative.  :/

He's the one that referenced his rating to try and get an action from me.  I blocked him PMs and moved on.  Doesn't sound like I was the one attempting to use my rating for extortion.

[TECSHARE]

Looks like someone doesn't want me talking about dragonvslinux little "bargain" attempts.  Maybe the nefarious rabbit hole that is dragonvslinux goes deeper than I thought.

I reported those posts. You will notice Vod's reply is also gone. None of that had anything to do with the thread, and neither do most of the recent posts here attacking you.

[TECSHARE]

I think it should be noted those posts were posted here, not in this thread. They absolutely should have been deleted.

[suchmoon]

suchmoon, how do I taste today?  Still yummy as ever huh?

Stay classy.

My only thoughts is that's off topic in that other thread? But to me, it seems you are making a connection with the topic itself, so shouldn't be be deleted.

It was off topic in that thread regardless of "connection". It's probably off topic here too so don't be surprised if it disappears. Start a separate thread.

[dragonvslinux]

It was off topic in that thread regardless of "connection". It's probably off topic here too so don't be surprised if it disappears.

You're probably right. I didn't understand why the OP wanted to take this off-topic again, but I respect his decision to do so.
Nothing disappears in the modern world though. Click here for my deleted archived replies.

[OgNasty]

I think it should be noted those posts were posted here, not in this thread. They absolutely should have been deleted.

It was the exact same situation only it involved a different user.  You took issue with one, and not the other.  Granted it is off topic for this thread, but not yours.  It does display the incredible bias of moderation here, and your inconsistency, but again I digress...

The facts remain the facts.  Vod is a liar.  People here are scared of transparency, and what is unacceptable for one user is defended for another.  I don't know who this dragonvslinux guy is.  I only know what I've read about him.  That he chose to support a scam project with the sole purpose of taking money from people (why didn't he offer to insure against loss like I did when I thought a project was questionable?), the same way Lauda did with his escrow he mishandled along with Blazed & minerjones, or atriz did with Lauda's blessing.  I do not agree with LoyceV using me to state that there are any similarities between my contributions here and Vod/Lauda's, but opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.  Luckily, there are facts that I have learned to backup using screenshots, and everything I do, INCLUDING MY TRUST LIST is transparent.  There are those that wish to hide the truth (see my recent spat with digicoinuser and anonymousminer, or those who opposed my trust list being posted), and there are those who do everything right out in the open.  Moderators can delete my posts, users can abuse the trust network and make up lies about me.  None of that changes the truth though, which is that I have never done anything but do what I felt was best for Bitcoin in a transparent and honest fashion.

I don't respect those who continuously take this thread off topic in order to hide the MANY examples I've given of Vod's lies, which is why I am documenting them with feedback.  I can ask a million times for this thread to stay on topic, but there are more bad people out there looking to profit from this community like Vod, who seek power and will spend far more time than I will trying to earn merit and rank up their alts to corner the trust network.  This is a major flaw in the system that I hoped would not be taken advantage of due to sheer numbers of new users, but given that those who cared about Bitcoin and actually create projects for the community instead of promoting their next scam have largely left this forum due to horrible moderation and bad judgement, I no longer have this hope.  This forum is about free speech until you become a critic of the hypocrisy involved, and then it becomes about who wants it more.  Well, I can tell you that I care about Bitcoin, that is why I acted in the best interests of this forum by going above and beyond to perform my fiduciary duties, not because I wanted to be seen as some great forum user.  This forum used to be the center of Bitcoin.  I believe satoshi's head would be spinning in it's cryotube if he were alive to see what it has degraded into.  Just another forum, where it is survival of the most nefarious and anything goes as long as you know the right ass to kiss.  Actions are rarely taken out of anything but selfishness, and those who donated to charity or give to community projects are told they do so only to flaunt their wealth. 

Anyone else have anything to add about the fact Vod is a liar?  Vod, care to bless us with some more lies?  It's been a few pages of nonsense now, we need some new material.  How's your project with the stated goal of getting the forum to fund your retirement going? 

[Vod]

From day one, I have been trying to save this community from scammers like OG.

Based on all the bullshit he shoveled in his last post, I think I am having that affect.

How's your project with the stated goal of getting the forum to fund your retirement going?  

The project is going great, thanks!  I never stated it would fund my retirement. liar.

Edit:  I removed the liar part.  OG did state my project was to fund retirement.  Even though he's making it seem like I stated it, I never did.