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ore info, click here). Our strategy is to empower consumers to make change through the marketplace. If people stop buying GMOs, companies will stop using them and farmers will stop growing them.
List of some products/brands with GMO's: 1 – “Snickers”, “Twix”, “M & M”, “Milky Way”.......... 2 – “Campbell” soups and other 3 –“Uncle Bens” 4 – Tea “Lipton” 5 – "Ferrero" - everything... Roche, Kinder surprise, Kinder Bueno..... 6 – “Kraft” everything MILKA!!!, Jacob, Toblerone 7 – “Nestle” everything 8 – Wrigley, Juicy Fruit, Wrigley's Spearmint, Altoids, Orbit,Extra, Starburst, Doublemint, Skittles, Freedent Airwaves, Winterfresh 9 – “Coca–Cola”, “Sprite”, “Fanta”, “Pepsi–Cola” , 7up, Gatorade...... 10 – “Knorr” everything 11 – “Hellman ‘s” everything 12 – “Danone” everything 13 – “Heinz” everithing 14 – “Hipp” everithing for babies too!!!! 15 – “OREO” 16 – “McDonalds” 17 – “Kellogg” 18 – “Pringles P&G” chips 19 – “President's choice ” everything 20 – ”Abbot Labs Similac” (babies food)
all i eat is with GMO i cannot say no
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all i eat is with GMO i cannot say no All anybody eats is GM, 90+% of all corn crops in the united states are GM, and of course we put corn or derivatives of it in damn near everything now including vitamins. So even when you think your getting healthy and all natural, chances are your still consuming it.
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Yes, please donate to a random bitcoin address, posted by a user from Slovenia, for a non profit based in Bellingham, WA. Also, can you explain why DNA from a virus or bacteria is so scary? The genetic code is conserved from humans all the way to the lowly bacteria. Proteins coded for by said DNA are exactly the same. Its not like your body sees a protein and checks if this is naturally in this food or if it came from a gene placed there via molecular techniques. You gut says protein, like all protein I am going to hydrolosize this into its constituent amino acids. The biggest risks from GMOs come from the risk of creating a monoculture. Genetic diversity is the spice of life.
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That is so amusing... I thought that bitcointalk people are smarter.
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Yes, please donate to a random bitcoin address, posted by a user from Slovenia, for a non profit based in Bellingham, WA. Ya i thought that also to be hella shady. If the non-gmo project accepted bitcoins, then they would atleast have their address listed somewhere on that site. If the OP is seriously with the project, then my statement should be taken as a suggestion to add the payment method through the site.
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Yes, please donate to a random bitcoin address, posted by a user from Slovenia, for a non profit based in Bellingham, WA. Also, can you explain why DNA from a virus or bacteria is so scary? The genetic code is conserved from humans all the way to the lowly bacteria. Proteins coded for by said DNA are exactly the same. Its not like your body sees a protein and checks if this is naturally in this food or if it came from a gene placed there via molecular techniques. You gut says protein, like all protein I am going to hydrolosize this into its constituent amino acids. The biggest risks from GMOs come from the risk of creating a monoculture. Genetic diversity is the spice of life. be free and contact nongmoproject.org Why from Slovenia to non profit from USA? Because you must fight against evil (GMO) in USA. If we stop them in USA, all world will be free from GMOs, because 99,99999999999999999 % off all GMO seeds is made in USA. In EU "we" have "some" regulations against GMO's but GMO is here on the main door (see the list). But don't get me wrong (i know my english is bad), pls donate to yours local anti GMO non profit org. Or just write about it because censorship is very big in mass media.
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Yes, please donate to a random bitcoin address, posted by a user from Slovenia, for a non profit based in Bellingham, WA. Ya i thought that also to be hella shady. If the non-gmo project accepted bitcoins, then they would atleast have their address listed somewhere on that site. If the OP is seriously with the project, then my statement should be taken as a suggestion to add the payment method through the site. +1 there will be payment option through the site. I suggest them to add BTC donation option on site.
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That is so amusing... I thought that bitcointalk people are smarter.
Everybody thinks that, and everybody is wrong: 1. Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation. 2. The probability that a certain person be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
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Also, can you explain why DNA from a virus or bacteria is so scary? The genetic code is conserved from humans all the way to the lowly bacteria. Proteins coded for by said DNA are exactly the same. Its not like your body sees a protein and checks if this is naturally in this food or if it came from a gene placed there via molecular techniques.
It is scary for a few reasons: 1. It could enter the natural food supply and destabilize natural balances and lead to famine, and potentially irreversibly destroy natural DNA forever. Lots of scientists are coming to the conclusion that "colony collapse syndrome" or massive bee die offs are directly linked with the use of Monsanto BT products which have pesticides in the flesh of the plant, including the pollen. We depend heavily upon bees to pollinate our food crops. 2. The viruses often used to create GMO plants and animals are often very unpredictable and mutate regularly, even after recombination. This can lead to unforeseen consequences as far as containing the viral DNA and can lead to the contamination of natural plant and human DNA. 3. No one knows what they are eating. This so called "junk DNA" it turns out actually is important to how life forms grow and reproduce including DNA which can be expressed under certain conditions. Toying with this balance we barely understand creates fundamental differences in the molecular make up of the DNA which is only later felt as it triggers human expressive genes normally left inactive under optimum natural conditions. What is safe for you may be deadly toxic to me depending on what dormant genes we have waiting. Lastly, please look into BT corn. It is based off of a pesticide derived from the toxic waste of a bacteria. This substance used to be sprayed on crops, meaning you could simply wash it off. Now that DNA which is the production mechanism of the toxin from the bacteria, is inserted directly into the flesh of the BT corn. This means you consume this toxin, which is in fact very harmful in itself leading to gastrointestinal inflammation, ulcers, cancer, etc in test cases. This is not the worst part though. The virus bacteria recombination which is used to create the pesticide in the flesh of the corn can REPLICATE IN YOUR GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT, ie long term poisoning from the inside out as your gut pumps out more and more toxins. There are also many other BT products which we consume every day. You are what you eat is more true of a saying than most people understand. Transgenic Crops: An Introduction and Resource Guide http://cls.casa.colostate.edu/transgeniccrops/faqpopup.htmlComplete Genes May Pass from Food to Human Blood www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0069805Spread of herbicide-resistance from genetically modified creeping bentgrass into the wild. http://natureinstitute.org/nontarget/reports/bentgrass_001.php Possible Human Health Hazards of Genetically Engineered Bt Crops http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/btcomments.cfm DNA from GE foods can end up in your genes www.psrast.org/dnauptakechick.htm A long-term toxicology study on pigs fed a combined genetically modified (GM) soy andGM maize diet www.organic-systems.org/journal/81/8106.pdf 65 Health Risks of GM Foods www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers/65-health-risks/5notes http://scientificbeekeeping.com/sick-bees-part-18e-colony-collapse-revisited-genetically-modified-plants/http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/02/27/10-reasons-why-no-one-needs-gm-foods.aspx http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/06/dangerous-toxins-from-gmo-foods.aspxhttp://permaculturenews.org/2013/04/22/stunning-difference-of-gm-from-non-gm-corn/
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Also, can you explain why DNA from a virus or bacteria is so scary? The genetic code is conserved from humans all the way to the lowly bacteria. Proteins coded for by said DNA are exactly the same. Its not like your body sees a protein and checks if this is naturally in this food or if it came from a gene placed there via molecular techniques.
It is scary for a few reasons: 1. It could enter the natural food supply and destabilize natural balances and lead to famine, and potentially irreversibly destroy natural DNA forever. Lots of scientists are coming to the conclusion that "colony collapse syndrome" or massive bee die offs are directly linked with the use of Monsanto BT products which have pesticides in the flesh of the plant, including the pollen. We depend heavily upon bees to pollinate our food crops. 2. The viruses often used to create GMO plants and animals are often very unpredictable and mutate regularly, even after recombination. This can lead to unforeseen consequences as far as containing the viral DNA and can lead to the contamination of natural plant and human DNA. 3. No one knows what they are eating. This so called "junk DNA" it turns out actually is important to how life forms grow and reproduce including DNA which can be expressed under certain conditions. Toying with this balance we barely understand creates fundamental differences in the molecular make up of the DNA which is only later felt as it triggers human expressive genes normally left inactive under optimum natural conditions. What is safe for you may be deadly toxic to me depending on what dormant genes we have waiting. Lastly, please look into BT corn. It is based off of a pesticide derived from the toxic waste of a bacteria. This substance used to be sprayed on crops, meaning you could simply wash it off. Now that DNA which is the production mechanism of the toxin from the bacteria, is inserted directly into the flesh of the BT corn. This means you consume this toxin, which is in fact very harmful in itself leading to gastrointestinal inflammation, ulcers, cancer, etc in test cases. This is not the worst part though. The virus bacteria recombination which is used to create the pesticide in the flesh of the corn can REPLICATE IN YOUR GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT, ie long term poisoning from the inside out as your gut pumps out more and more toxins. There are also many other BT products which we consume every day. You are what you eat is more true of a saying than most people understand. Transgenic Crops: An Introduction and Resource Guide http://cls.casa.colostate.edu/transgeniccrops/faqpopup.htmlComplete Genes May Pass from Food to Human Blood www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0069805Spread of herbicide-resistance from genetically modified creeping bentgrass into the wild. http://natureinstitute.org/nontarget/reports/bentgrass_001.php Possible Human Health Hazards of Genetically Engineered Bt Crops http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/btcomments.cfm DNA from GE foods can end up in your genes www.psrast.org/dnauptakechick.htm A long-term toxicology study on pigs fed a combined genetically modified (GM) soy andGM maize diet www.organic-systems.org/journal/81/8106.pdf 65 Health Risks of GM Foods www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers/65-health-risks/5notes http://scientificbeekeeping.com/sick-bees-part-18e-colony-collapse-revisited-genetically-modified-plants/http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/02/27/10-reasons-why-no-one-needs-gm-foods.aspx http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/06/dangerous-toxins-from-gmo-foods.aspxhttp://permaculturenews.org/2013/04/22/stunning-difference-of-gm-from-non-gm-corn/ +111111
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Avoid it now while you have the choice.
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Also, can you explain why DNA from a virus or bacteria is so scary? The genetic code is conserved from humans all the way to the lowly bacteria. Proteins coded for by said DNA are exactly the same. Its not like your body sees a protein and checks if this is naturally in this food or if it came from a gene placed there via molecular techniques.
It is scary for a few reasons: 1. It could enter the natural food supply and destabilize natural balances and lead to famine, and potentially irreversibly destroy natural DNA forever. Lots of scientists are coming to the conclusion that "colony collapse syndrome" or massive bee die offs are directly linked with the use of Monsanto BT products which have pesticides in the flesh of the plant, including the pollen. We depend heavily upon bees to pollinate our food crops. 2. The viruses often used to create GMO plants and animals are often very unpredictable and mutate regularly, even after recombination. This can lead to unforeseen consequences as far as containing the viral DNA and can lead to the contamination of natural plant and human DNA. 3. No one knows what they are eating. This so called "junk DNA" it turns out actually is important to how life forms grow and reproduce including DNA which can be expressed under certain conditions. Toying with this balance we barely understand creates fundamental differences in the molecular make up of the DNA which is only later felt as it triggers human expressive genes normally left inactive under optimum natural conditions. What is safe for you may be deadly toxic to me depending on what dormant genes we have waiting. Lastly, please look into BT corn. It is based off of a pesticide derived from the toxic waste of a bacteria. This substance used to be sprayed on crops, meaning you could simply wash it off. Now that DNA which is the production mechanism of the toxin from the bacteria, is inserted directly into the flesh of the BT corn. This means you consume this toxin, which is in fact very harmful in itself leading to gastrointestinal inflammation, ulcers, cancer, etc in test cases. This is not the worst part though. The virus bacteria recombination which is used to create the pesticide in the flesh of the corn can REPLICATE IN YOUR GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT, ie long term poisoning from the inside out as your gut pumps out more and more toxins. There are also many other BT products which we consume every day. You are what you eat is more true of a saying than most people understand. Transgenic Crops: An Introduction and Resource Guide http://cls.casa.colostate.edu/transgeniccrops/faqpopup.htmlComplete Genes May Pass from Food to Human Blood www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0069805Spread of herbicide-resistance from genetically modified creeping bentgrass into the wild. http://natureinstitute.org/nontarget/reports/bentgrass_001.php Possible Human Health Hazards of Genetically Engineered Bt Crops http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/btcomments.cfm DNA from GE foods can end up in your genes www.psrast.org/dnauptakechick.htm A long-term toxicology study on pigs fed a combined genetically modified (GM) soy andGM maize diet www.organic-systems.org/journal/81/8106.pdf 65 Health Risks of GM Foods www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers/65-health-risks/5notes http://scientificbeekeeping.com/sick-bees-part-18e-colony-collapse-revisited-genetically-modified-plants/http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/02/27/10-reasons-why-no-one-needs-gm-foods.aspx http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/06/dangerous-toxins-from-gmo-foods.aspxhttp://permaculturenews.org/2013/04/22/stunning-difference-of-gm-from-non-gm-corn/ Finally somebody that speaks truth, and doesn't go straight to personal insults to make their point.
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Also, can you explain why DNA from a virus or bacteria is so scary? The genetic code is conserved from humans all the way to the lowly bacteria. Proteins coded for by said DNA are exactly the same. Its not like your body sees a protein and checks if this is naturally in this food or if it came from a gene placed there via molecular techniques.
It is scary for a few reasons: 1. It could enter the natural food supply and destabilize natural balances and lead to famine, and potentially irreversibly destroy natural DNA forever. Lots of scientists are coming to the conclusion that "colony collapse syndrome" or massive bee die offs are directly linked with the use of Monsanto BT products which have pesticides in the flesh of the plant, including the pollen. We depend heavily upon bees to pollinate our food crops. 2. The viruses often used to create GMO plants and animals are often very unpredictable and mutate regularly, even after recombination. This can lead to unforeseen consequences as far as containing the viral DNA and can lead to the contamination of natural plant and human DNA. 3. No one knows what they are eating. This so called "junk DNA" it turns out actually is important to how life forms grow and reproduce including DNA which can be expressed under certain conditions. Toying with this balance we barely understand creates fundamental differences in the molecular make up of the DNA which is only later felt as it triggers human expressive genes normally left inactive under optimum natural conditions. What is safe for you may be deadly toxic to me depending on what dormant genes we have waiting. Lastly, please look into BT corn. It is based off of a pesticide derived from the toxic waste of a bacteria. This substance used to be sprayed on crops, meaning you could simply wash it off. Now that DNA which is the production mechanism of the toxin from the bacteria, is inserted directly into the flesh of the BT corn. This means you consume this toxin, which is in fact very harmful in itself leading to gastrointestinal inflammation, ulcers, cancer, etc in test cases. This is not the worst part though. The virus bacteria recombination which is used to create the pesticide in the flesh of the corn can REPLICATE IN YOUR GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT, ie long term poisoning from the inside out as your gut pumps out more and more toxins. There are also many other BT products which we consume every day. You are what you eat is more true of a saying than most people understand. 1. Reread my post, I mentioned the concerns with crop monocultures. Yes, bees are important, however linking colony collapse syndrome to GM crops is incorrect according to current research. Colony die offs do not correlate to locations of GM crops. Peggy G. Lemaux: Genetically Engineered Plants and Foods: A Scientist's Analysis of the Issues (Part II). Annual Review of Plant Biology Vol. 60: 511–559. A 2008 review article, examined the effects of the presence of the Bacillus Crystal protein in pollen. It showed no deleterious effects of this pollen on hymenoptera (The order to which bees belong) larva. Duan JJ, Marvier M, Huesing J, Dively G, Huang ZY. 2008. A meta-analysis of effects of Bt crops on honey bees (Hymenoptera: Apidae). PLoS ONE 3:e1415 Much more convincing evidence currently points to a nicotine derivative, Neonicotinoid, used as a spray on insecticide. When this chemical was improperly applied, it led to a mssive die off in German bees. This chemical has also been shown to be deleterious to aquatic environments. http://www.bvl.bund.de/EN/08_PresseInfothek_engl/01_Presse_und_Hintergrundinformationen/2008_07_15_hi_Bienensterben_en.html?nn=14141382. I don't want to burst your fear bubble, but your genome has been modified by viruses in the past, and within your own life. If you were to shell out the $10,000 bucks to get your entire genome sequenced, you could easily find the remnants of ancient retroviruses that are no longer active, but exist solely as a permanent member of your genome. Some proteins coded by these viruses play critical roles in the formation of the placenta. If you have ever had Mononucleosis (Epstien-Barr) Chickenpox (Varicella-zoster) or some of the more embarrassing herpes infections the virus' genome circularizes and still lives within your cells as a structure known as an episome. Why do I bring this up? How many plants do you see infected with these diseases? Viruses are small obligate intracellular parasites. They survive by jumping from cell to cell. The faster they do this, the more likely they have the opportunity to reach a new host. Therefore, viruses run very lean, to minimize the amount of DNA they need to replicate. This results in a virus that is almost always tied to a small group of resevoir species. The virus is limited by its small library of interacting proteins and dependence on unique cellular pathways found in its host range. Zoonotic events like a avian flu or hemorrhagic fevers jumping from a non human animal to humans is relatively rare. Often these viruses don't go on to be endemic within the human population (with the potential exception of flu viruses). With this in mind, the odds of a plant virus being able to interact with human tissues is slim to none. Most plant viruses are RNA viruses. This means they replicate in the cytoplasm and have no interaction with the host genomes. To use one of these as a transformative vector would be relatively pointless. Any progeny cells would not inherit the desired gene as it was not integrated into the host genome. To my knowledge, there is only one plant virus that has been shown to have any potential effects on humans. The Pepper mild mottle virus' appears to elicit symptoms in some individuals. However it has been postulated that the virus does not infect human cells, but that its ssRNA genome may function in a way similar to RNA interference. These things combined, you have very little to worry about from plant viruses. Typically their only contribution to the production of GMOs is the use of a viral promoter, to ensure gene activation. More often than not, a naturally transforming bacteria or molecular technique, such as electroporation, is used as a vector. http://www.techvert.com/evidence-virus-moves-from-plants-to-humans/ Colson P, Richet H, Desnues C, Balique F, Moal V, et al. (2010). "Pepper Mild Mottle Virus, a Plant Virus Associated with Specific Immune Responses, Fever, Abdominal Pains, and Pruritus in Humans" PLoS ONE 5 (4): e10041. 3. If you want to be taken seriously by people in the biological science community, you will never again use the term junk DNA. Such a term lacks the precision necessary for scientific dialogue. What you are referring to is non coding DNA. This means that a streach of sequence does cannot be translated to make an amino acid. It lacks what are known as open reading frames. Sure there are important parts of non coding DNA. These can range from sequences that code for useful RNA molecules to regulatory sequences for nearby genes. However, the vast majority, something like 98-99%, of human DNA serve no function at all. It is not only ever expressed, but is in fact incapable of being expressed. This serves a very useful purpose. Cellular replication enzymes are incredibly accurate. Mutations are very rare. However, with the amount of replication that occurs (6 billion base pairs in a human cell), the odds dictate that some mutations will occur in the process of replication. Fortunately, there are error checking mechanisms. Now imagine a situation where an error occurs. Odds are it will be corrected. If it isn't odds are it wont occur in the 2% of DNA that serves a purpose. Most mutations are deleterious, if an uncorrected one is going to occur, you want it in a region that is not essential for cellular survival. A gene inserted into a plant genome will have no effect on what you termed as the expression of human junk DNA. 4. Once again, you are referring to the addition of a gene coding for the δ-crystal protein of certain bacillus bacteria. To call this toxic waste is ignorance at best, useless histrionics at worst. It serves a necessary purpose for bacterial sporulation process. It is indeed an enterotoxin, but not to mammals. In insects, it will bind to what are known as cadherins (calcium dependent adhesion molecules). It can then span the plasma membrane creating a pore. This disrupts the critical ionic gradients that cells maintain for survival. All animals have adhesion molecules such as cadherins, however, mammalian cadherins are distinct and do not interact with δ-crystal. Therefore, the pore cannot be formed. Further the corn is transgenic. It is identical to wildtype corn with the exception of a single gene coding for δ-crystal. Sure a virus or more likely bacterium may have been used to insert the gene into the mother plant, all progeny only contain the gene. If a molecular technique was used, there was no organism necessary to create the mother. No transforming bacteria or virus is present and none can spontaneously arise. The protein by itself cannot replicate additional copies, and the corn is dead. Its cells are not creating more of the protein. The gene creating δ-crystal is not being integrated into your genome. In fact, for decades bacillus spores have been applied to crops as a natural insecticide. Since ancient Egypt people have used bacteria as a natural means of protecting crops. Essentially modern techniques have allowed us to cut out the middle men. Instead of using live bacteria, which will invariably be consumed, we can use the single effector protein. Now does this absolutely preclude an interaction? No, just like any other foreign anitgen, the δ-crystal could trigger an allergic immune response. However, is δ-crystal poisoning you? Not at all. Pigott CR, Ellar DJ. Role of receptors in Bacillus thuringiensis crystal toxin activity. Microbiol Mol Biol Rev. 2007 Jun;71(2):255-81
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Also, can you explain why DNA from a virus or bacteria is so scary? The genetic code is conserved from humans all the way to the lowly bacteria. Proteins coded for by said DNA are exactly the same. Its not like your body sees a protein and checks if this is naturally in this food or if it came from a gene placed there via molecular techniques.
It is scary for a few reasons: 1. It could enter the natural food supply and destabilize natural balances and lead to famine, and potentially irreversibly destroy natural DNA forever. Lots of scientists are coming to the conclusion that "colony collapse syndrome" or massive bee die offs are directly linked with the use of Monsanto BT products which have pesticides in the flesh of the plant, including the pollen. We depend heavily upon bees to pollinate our food crops. 2. The viruses often used to create GMO plants and animals are often very unpredictable and mutate regularly, even after recombination. This can lead to unforeseen consequences as far as containing the viral DNA and can lead to the contamination of natural plant and human DNA. 3. No one knows what they are eating. This so called "junk DNA" it turns out actually is important to how life forms grow and reproduce including DNA which can be expressed under certain conditions. Toying with this balance we barely understand creates fundamental differences in the molecular make up of the DNA which is only later felt as it triggers human expressive genes normally left inactive under optimum natural conditions. What is safe for you may be deadly toxic to me depending on what dormant genes we have waiting. Lastly, please look into BT corn. It is based off of a pesticide derived from the toxic waste of a bacteria. This substance used to be sprayed on crops, meaning you could simply wash it off. Now that DNA which is the production mechanism of the toxin from the bacteria, is inserted directly into the flesh of the BT corn. This means you consume this toxin, which is in fact very harmful in itself leading to gastrointestinal inflammation, ulcers, cancer, etc in test cases. This is not the worst part though. The virus bacteria recombination which is used to create the pesticide in the flesh of the corn can REPLICATE IN YOUR GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT, ie long term poisoning from the inside out as your gut pumps out more and more toxins. There are also many other BT products which we consume every day. You are what you eat is more true of a saying than most people understand. 1. Reread my post, I mentioned the concerns with crop monocultures. Yes, bees are important, however linking colony collapse syndrome to GM crops is incorrect according to current research. Colony die offs do not correlate to locations of GM crops. Peggy G. Lemaux: Genetically Engineered Plants and Foods: A Scientist's Analysis of the Issues (Part II). Annual Review of Plant Biology Vol. 60: 511–559. A 2008 review article, examined the effects of the presence of the Bacillus Crystal protein in pollen. It showed no deleterious effects of this pollen on hymenoptera (The order to which bees belong) larva. Duan JJ, Marvier M, Huesing J, Dively G, Huang ZY. 2008. A meta-analysis of effects of Bt crops on honey bees (Hymenoptera: Apidae). PLoS ONE 3:e1415 Much more convincing evidence currently points to a nicotine derivative, Neonicotinoid, used as a spray on insecticide. When this chemical was improperly applied, it led to a mssive die off in German bees. This chemical has also been shown to be deleterious to aquatic environments. http://www.bvl.bund.de/EN/08_PresseInfothek_engl/01_Presse_und_Hintergrundinformationen/2008_07_15_hi_Bienensterben_en.html?nn=14141382. I don't want to burst your fear bubble, but your genome has been modified by viruses in the past, and within your own life. If you were to shell out the $10,000 bucks to get your entire genome sequenced, you could easily find the remnants of ancient retroviruses that are no longer active, but exist solely as a permanent member of your genome. Some proteins coded by these viruses play critical roles in the formation of the placenta. If you have ever had Mononucleosis (Epstien-Barr) Chickenpox (Varicella-zoster) or some of the more embarrassing herpes infections the virus' genome circularizes and still lives within your cells as a structure known as an episome. Why do I bring this up? How many plants do you see infected with these diseases? Viruses are small obligate intracellular parasites. They survive by jumping from cell to cell. The faster they do this, the more likely they have the opportunity to reach a new host. Therefore, viruses run very lean, to minimize the amount of DNA they need to replicate. This results in a virus that is almost always tied to a small group of resevoir species. The virus is limited by its small library of interacting proteins and dependence on unique cellular pathways found in its host range. Zoonotic events like a avian flu or hemorrhagic fevers jumping from a non human animal to humans is relatively rare. Often these viruses don't go on to be endemic within the human population (with the potential exception of flu viruses). With this in mind, the odds of a plant virus being able to interact with human tissues is slim to none. Most plant viruses are RNA viruses. This means they replicate in the cytoplasm and have no interaction with the host genomes. To use one of these as a transformative vector would be relatively pointless. Any progeny cells would not inherit the desired gene as it was not integrated into the host genome. To my knowledge, there is only one plant virus that has been shown to have any potential effects on humans. The Pepper mild mottle virus' appears to elicit symptoms in some individuals. However it has been postulated that the virus does not infect human cells, but that its ssRNA genome may function in a way similar to RNA interference. These things combined, you have very little to worry about from plant viruses. Typically their only contribution to the production of GMOs is the use of a viral promoter, to ensure gene activation. More often than not, a naturally transforming bacteria or molecular technique, such as electroporation, is used as a vector. http://www.techvert.com/evidence-virus-moves-from-plants-to-humans/ Colson P, Richet H, Desnues C, Balique F, Moal V, et al. (2010). "Pepper Mild Mottle Virus, a Plant Virus Associated with Specific Immune Responses, Fever, Abdominal Pains, and Pruritus in Humans" PLoS ONE 5 (4): e10041. 3. If you want to be taken seriously by people in the biological science community, you will never again use the term junk DNA. Such a term lacks the precision necessary for scientific dialogue. What you are referring to is non coding DNA. This means that a streach of sequence does cannot be translated to make an amino acid. It lacks what are known as open reading frames. Sure there are important parts of non coding DNA. These can range from sequences that code for useful RNA molecules to regulatory sequences for nearby genes. However, the vast majority, something like 98-99%, of human DNA serve no function at all. It is not only ever expressed, but is in fact incapable of being expressed. This serves a very useful purpose. Cellular replication enzymes are incredibly accurate. Mutations are very rare. However, with the amount of replication that occurs (6 billion base pairs in a human cell), the odds dictate that some mutations will occur in the process of replication. Fortunately, there are error checking mechanisms. Now imagine a situation where an error occurs. Odds are it will be corrected. If it isn't odds are it wont occur in the 2% of DNA that serves a purpose. Most mutations are deleterious, if an uncorrected one is going to occur, you want it in a region that is not essential for cellular survival. A gene inserted into a plant genome will have no effect on what you termed as the expression of human junk DNA. 4. Once again, you are referring to the addition of a gene coding for the δ-crystal protein of certain bacillus bacteria. To call this toxic waste is ignorance at best, useless histrionics at worst. It serves a necessary purpose for bacterial sporulation process. It is indeed an enterotoxin, but not to mammals. In insects, it will bind to what are known as cadherins (calcium dependent adhesion molecules). It can then span the plasma membrane creating a pore. This disrupts the critical ionic gradients that cells maintain for survival. All animals have adhesion molecules such as cadherins, however, mammalian cadherins are distinct and do not interact with δ-crystal. Therefore, the pore cannot be formed. Further the corn is transgenic. It is identical to wildtype corn with the exception of a single gene coding for δ-crystal. Sure a virus or more likely bacterium may have been used to insert the gene into the mother plant, all progeny only contain the gene. If a molecular technique was used, there was no organism necessary to create the mother. No transforming bacteria or virus is present and none can spontaneously arise. The protein by itself cannot replicate additional copies, and the corn is dead. Its cells are not creating more of the protein. The gene creating δ-crystal is not being integrated into your genome. In fact, for decades bacillus spores have been applied to crops as a natural insecticide. Since ancient Egypt people have used bacteria as a natural means of protecting crops. Essentially modern techniques have allowed us to cut out the middle men. Instead of using live bacteria, which will invariably be consumed, we can use the single effector protein. Now does this absolutely preclude an interaction? No, just like any other foreign anitgen, the δ-crystal could trigger an allergic immune response. However, is δ-crystal poisoning you? Not at all. Pigott CR, Ellar DJ. Role of receptors in Bacillus thuringiensis crystal toxin activity. Microbiol Mol Biol Rev. 2007 Jun;71(2):255-81 Impressive pedantic screed. 1. The problems with colony collapse disorder revolve around ADULT bees simply flying away and never returning. That study is irrelevant because it doesn't study the target, adult bees. 2. I don't want to bust your ego bubble but viruses from glow in the dark fish don't ever get into tomatoes in nature regardless of how many times it mutates naturally. Your argument is a fallacy. 3. The entire point of using the term "junk DNA" was to expose the fact that when GMO plants and animals started being created, this was a common assumption among geneticists. The entire reason I used it was to point out it is idiotic. Way to read and comprehend. 4. I don't think you have the expertise to make this conclusion. Erring on the side of risk for something this inconclusive and complicated seems quite reckless and irresponsible don't you think?
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Slab Squathrust: "It doesn't work this way because of these simple reasons. Check the attached references." TECSHARE: "You are an idiot!"
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+1 I am against GMO! I think if there must be GMO w must have choice what products to choose with or without GMO, aren't we living in a free country?
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March 17, 2014, 12:21:19 AM |
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Slab Squathrust: "It doesn't work this way because of these simple reasons. Check the attached references." TECSHARE: "You are an idiot!"
Funny how my sources suddenly are invisible to you. Additionally I used no more of a personal attack that he did so it is interesting that you decide to attack me regardless of him exhibiting this behavior first. I suppose this is a clear indication of your bias.
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consequences of eating GMO food are peoples with deviation's like John Mccain who thinks that his "nation" is superior in the world
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