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[rosezionjohn]

UFC Fight Night: Shevchenko vs Carmouche 2
Aug 10, 2019
Antel Arena, Montevideo, Uruguay


Main Card

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Women’s Flyweight Championship:
Valentina Shevchenko   (17-3,  #1 ranked women’s flyweight) vs Liz Carmouche   (13-6, #23 ranked women’s flyweight)

Welterweights:
Vicente Luque    (16-6-1, #14 ranked welterweight) vs Mike Perry   (13-4, #25 ranked welterweight)

Featherweights:
Luiz Garagorri   (11-0) vs Humberto Bandenay   (14-6, 1 NC, #37 ranked featherweight)

Light Heavyweights:
Volkan Oezdemir  (15-4, #13 ranked light heavyweight) vs Ilir Latifi  (14-6, 1 NC, #11 ranked light heavyweight)

Middleweights:
Rodolfo Vieira   (5-0) vs Oskar Piechota   (11-1-1, #34 ranked middleweight)

Featherweights:
Enrique Barzola   (15-4-1, #32 ranked featherweight) vs Bobby Moffett   (14-4, #25 ranked featherweight)

Prelims

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Heavyweights:
Ciryl Gane   (2-0) vs Raphael Pessoa  (9-0)

Women’s Strawweights:
Tecia Torres   (10-4, #13 ranked women’s strawweight) vs Marina Rodriguez  (11-0-1, #27 ranked women’s strawweight)

Flyweights:
Rogerio Bontorin    (15-1, 1 NC, #10 ranked flyweight) vs Raulian Paiva  (18-2, #13 ranked flyweight)

Bantamweights:
Geraldo de Freitas Jr   (12-4, #55 ranked bantamweight) vs Chris Gutierrez   (13-4, 1 NC, #55 ranked bantamweight)

Women’s Flyweights:
Ariane Carnelossi   (12-1) vs TBA

Lightweights:
Rodrigo Vargas  (10-2) vs Alex da Silva   (20-2, #74 ranked lightweight)

Welterweights:
Gilbert Burns   (15-3, #28 ranked welterweight) vs Alexey Kunchenko   (20-0, #21 ranked welterweight)

Women’s Flyweights:
Veronica Macedo   (5-3-1, #32 ranked women’s flyweight) vs Polyana Viana   (10-3, #22 ranked women’s flyweight)

https://thesportsdaily.com/2019/08/05/ufc-fight-night-shevchenko-vs-carmouche-2-fight-card-fox11/


I am not really excited about his fight. Other than Shevchenko, I have not even watched or heard of the rest despite their impressive looking records. This might turn out to be a flop in terms of PPV.

[nydiacaskey01]

Conor should also practice a million times the flying knee to the head to try to pull a Masvidal on those eventual standup->wrestling->standup transitions. There isn't much he can do, but it's not 100% impossible. Whoever bets on a Conor win on the next fight will become rich because he will be a massive underdog, but those things can happen.

Yes Conor needs to add something else in his arsenal. He is excellent in standup fighting and he will be more viscous if he can add wrestling, grappling in his list of expertise. I see picture of Conor practicing BJJ after his fight with Diaz which is good if he wan'ts to be good at it. It's just like boxing, your opponent will watch your videos over and over again to see your weakness and focus on that weakness. Fighters need to evolve and change something in their fighting style in each fight.

[peter0425]

Conor should also practice a million times the flying knee to the head to try to pull a Masvidal on those eventual standup->wrestling->standup transitions. There isn't much he can do, but it's not 100% impossible. Whoever bets on a Conor win on the next fight will become rich because he will be a massive underdog, but those things can happen.

Yes Conor needs to add something else in his arsenal. He is excellent in standup fighting and he will be more viscous if he can add wrestling, grappling in his list of expertise. I see picture of Conor practicing BJJ after his fight with Diaz which is good if he wan'ts to be good at it. It's just like boxing, your opponent will watch your videos over and over again to see your weakness and focus on that weakness. Fighters need to evolve and change something in their fighting style in each fight.

Can we teach old dogs new trick? Even in the Khabib fight Conor knows that he will be taken down by, but his training is not enough to offset Khabib's ground game. I'm sure he train enough for that but when you are hit in the face, all those strategies and careful planning are put out into the window as you just want to go toe-to-toe with your opponents.

[nydiacaskey01]

Yes Conor needs to add something else in his arsenal. He is excellent in standup fighting and he will be more viscous if he can add wrestling, grappling in his list of expertise. I see picture of Conor practicing BJJ after his fight with Diaz which is good if he wan'ts to be good at it. It's just like boxing, your opponent will watch your videos over and over again to see your weakness and focus on that weakness. Fighters need to evolve and change something in their fighting style in each fight.

Can we teach old dogs new trick? Even in the Khabib fight Conor knows that he will be taken down by, but his training is not enough to offset Khabib's ground game. I'm sure he train enough for that but when you are hit in the face, all those strategies and careful planning are put out into the window as you just want to go toe-to-toe with your opponents.

Well I am one of those who doesn't believe in that idiomatic expression that "You can't teach an old dog new tricks", I refuse to believe in that because I myself is in the mid of 40's and I am still willing to learn, it's just a matter of ones eagerness to learn. Conor can learn but he can't learn and be #1 overnight because he learned a few tricks, but yet he learned. After learning, next question is application, how can it be applied or can he apply it right away.

[bbc.reporter]

@peter0425. No one's training can offset Khabib's ground game hehehe. He is the best wrestler in all of MMA. However, what Conor did not do was implement his own style on Khabib. I heard that he was also very busy in his whiskey business and left the formulation of strategy fully on John Kavanagh, which was not normal for Conor.

[peter0425]

Yes Conor needs to add something else in his arsenal. He is excellent in standup fighting and he will be more viscous if he can add wrestling, grappling in his list of expertise. I see picture of Conor practicing BJJ after his fight with Diaz which is good if he wan'ts to be good at it. It's just like boxing, your opponent will watch your videos over and over again to see your weakness and focus on that weakness. Fighters need to evolve and change something in their fighting style in each fight.

Can we teach old dogs new trick? Even in the Khabib fight Conor knows that he will be taken down by, but his training is not enough to offset Khabib's ground game. I'm sure he train enough for that but when you are hit in the face, all those strategies and careful planning are put out into the window as you just want to go toe-to-toe with your opponents.

Well I am one of those who doesn't believe in that idiomatic expression that "You can't teach an old dog new tricks", I refuse to believe in that because I myself is in the mid of 40's and I am still willing to learn, it's just a matter of ones eagerness to learn. Conor can learn but he can't learn and be #1 overnight because he learned a few tricks, but yet he learned. After learning, next question is application, how can it be applied or can he apply it right away.

That is the best question, he rely so much with his left that he think he can over power everyone. I think we need to factor as well his ego here, the biggest ego in UFC and wanting to learn, that could be the first.

@bbc.reporter - Yup, Khabib has the best ground game, I think a few notch above GSP during his prime, and it's really hard to train for that. Whiskey business or not, he can't really win against Khabib and it's all for the money now.

[YuginKadoya]

I think the First Page should get an update by tokeweed for the upcoming Fight Night 156 but anyways he might be busy with other things and as for the upcoming fight on August 10 on (UTC−03:00 or UTC−04:00) And August 11 for (UTC−08:00) Standard Time if the Time zone is correct I guess, But I will post the upcoming fights with their stats for Fight Night 156 before we can get to UFC 241.

Main Card



Preliminary Card



Well I am always betting on the main card so in the Woman Flyweight Division my bet is on Valentina Shevchenko for the win for this, I see that she got the determination to win this, And the style of his approach will be pretty powerful against Liz Carmouche, I guess the age may not have a big problem or can get them an Advantage or Disadvantage because of it, Well both fighters can really take the win but I am betting on Shevchenko because I see a lot of potential towards her,

And for the Welterweight Co-main, I guess the fight will be in favor with Vicente Luque I think he got a slight advantage over Mike Perry because of the Reach and slight height but I can not say for sure but I think Luque can give perry a devastation of punches and even go with the submission if he likes to, Well that is my thought and I am not looking on their popularity but their fast performance,

But anyway if you look on the Preliminary Card below there are one fight that is canceled because of Taila Santos wrist injury so that is all and good luck to all bettors.

[tokeweed]

Tha ka for the back up guys...  I was a busy for a couple of days and a little bit tired.  And the coming event isn't really stacked or anything.

Here are the weigh in results.

Valentina Shevchenko (124.5) vs Liz Carmouche (125)
Vicente Luque (171) vs Mike Perry (170.5)
Humberto Bandenay (146) vs Luiz Eduardo Garagorri (145.5)
Ilir Latifi (204.5) vs Volkan Oezdemir (205.5)
Oskar Piechota (185) vs Rodolfo Vieira (185.5)
Enrique Barzola (145) vs Bobby Moffett (146)
Cyril Gane (241) vs Raphael Pessoa (261)
Gilbert Burns (171) vs Aleksei Kunchenko (170)
Marina Rodriguez (115.5) vs Tecia Torres (115)
Rogerio Bontorin (125.5) vs Raulian Paiva (125.5)
Geraldo de Freitas (135) vs Chris Gutierrez (156)
Alex da Silva (155.5) vs Rodrigo Vargas (156)
Veronica Macedo (125.5) vs Polyana Viana (126)

[Saint-loup]

Well I am always betting on the main card so in the Woman Flyweight Division my bet is on Valentina Shevchenko for the win for this, I see that she got the determination to win this, And the style of his approach will be pretty powerful against Liz Carmouche, I guess the age may not have a big problem or can get them an Advantage or Disadvantage because of it, Well both fighters can really take the win but I am betting on Shevchenko because I see a lot of potential towards her,

I don't think it is a very profitable bet to gamble on this fight, and specially on Shevchenko. Odds are very low, because she's ultra favorite. Less than 1.1 for her versus 7 or even 8 for Liz Carmouche...
It won't be a very hot fight.

https://www.oddschecker.com/ufc-mma/valentina-shevchenko-v-liz-carmouche/winner

[mich]

69 sec win for my girl Venezuelan VERONICA MACEDO 
https://twitter.com/ufc/status/1160298843788865536

Maybe it was this ' good luck' kiss before that earned her this win

[Saint-loup]

Complete UFC on ESPN+ 14 results (aka UFC Fight Night: Shevchenko vs. Carmouche 2 aka UFC Fight Night 156)

Saturday, August 10, 2019
UFC on ESPN+ 14 took place Saturday, August 10th, from the Antel Arena in Montevideo, Uruguay. The event was headlined by a women's flyweight title and aired exclusively on ESPN and ESPN+.

Main Card (Live on ESPN+, 8:00 PM EST)

-Valentina Shevchenko (c) defeated Liz Carmouche by Unanimous Decision (50-45, 50-45, 50-45)
-Vicente Luque defeated Mike Perry by Split Decision (28-29, 29-28, 29-28)
-Luiz Eduardo Garagorri defeated Humberto Bandenay by Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27)
-Volkan Oezdemir defeated Ilir Latifi by KO (Punches, Round 2, 4:35)
-Rodolfo Vieira defeated Oskar Piechota by Submission (Arm Triangle, Round 2, 4:26)
-Enrique Barzola defeated Bobby Moffett by Split Decision (28-29, 30-27, 29-28)
 
Preliminary Card (Live on ESPN, 5:00 PM EST)

-Gilbert Burns defeated Alexey Kunchenko by Unanimous Decision (29-28, 29-28, 29-28)
-Ciryl Gane defeated Raphael Pessoa Nunes by Submission (Arm Triangle, Round 1, 4:15)
-Marina Rodriguez defeated Tecia Torres by Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-26)
-Rogerio Bontorin defeated Raulian Paiva by TKO (Doctor Stoppage, Round 1, 2:56)
-Chris Gutierrez defeated Geraldo de Freitas by Split Decision (29-28, 27-30, 29-28)
-Rodrigo Vargas defeated Alex da Silva Coelha by Unanimous Decision
-Veronica Macedo defeated Polyana Viana by Submission (Armbar, Round 1, 1:09)

https://www.mixedmartialarts.com/editorial/complete-ufc-on-espn-14-results:896fd777-705c-4749-8c0c-381a21a8ce4d

[YuginKadoya]

Tha ka for the back up guys...  I was a busy for a couple of days and a little bit tired.  And the coming event isn't really stacked or anything.

Here are the weigh in results.

Valentina Shevchenko (124.5) vs Liz Carmouche (125)
Vicente Luque (171) vs Mike Perry (170.5)
Humberto Bandenay (146) vs Luiz Eduardo Garagorri (145.5)
Ilir Latifi (204.5) vs Volkan Oezdemir (205.5)
Oskar Piechota (185) vs Rodolfo Vieira (185.5)
Enrique Barzola (145) vs Bobby Moffett (146)
Cyril Gane (241) vs Raphael Pessoa (261)
Gilbert Burns (171) vs Aleksei Kunchenko (170)
Marina Rodriguez (115.5) vs Tecia Torres (115)
Rogerio Bontorin (125.5) vs Raulian Paiva (125.5)
Geraldo de Freitas (135) vs Chris Gutierrez (156)
Alex da Silva (155.5) vs Rodrigo Vargas (156)
Veronica Macedo (125.5) vs Polyana Viana (126)

No problem bro, All of us here definitely had something in our daily life so no need to worry so much cause we truly understand, I really like the result of each fight well, even if it's not so profitable I surely take every win I can get,

I don't think it is a very profitable bet to gamble on this fight, and specially on Shevchenko. Odds are very low, because she's ultra favorite. Less than 1.1 for her versus 7 or even 8 for Liz Carmouche...
It won't be a very hot fight.

https://www.oddschecker.com/ufc-mma/valentina-shevchenko-v-liz-carmouche/winner

Well, even if it's not that profitable I can not bet on anything else that I think I don't know so much, I only like the main card matches and definitely even if there is less opportunity for this I will just take it, and naturally, Shevchenko won so I have no regret at all.

[tokeweed]

Well I am always betting on the main card so in the Woman Flyweight Division my bet is on Valentina Shevchenko for the win for this, I see that she got the determination to win this, And the style of his approach will be pretty powerful against Liz Carmouche, I guess the age may not have a big problem or can get them an Advantage or Disadvantage because of it, Well both fighters can really take the win but I am betting on Shevchenko because I see a lot of potential towards her,

I don't think it is a very profitable bet to gamble on this fight, and specially on Shevchenko. Odds are very low, because she's ultra favorite. Less than 1.1 for her versus 7 or even 8 for Liz Carmouche...
It won't be a very hot fight.

https://www.oddschecker.com/ufc-mma/valentina-shevchenko-v-liz-carmouche/winner

I've been asking FJ and Nitrogen for some prop betting for the UFC to squeeze some more available lines in that could give us more decent odds.

I think if you guys ask for it too maybe they'll listen. 

[bbc.reporter]

Can Amanda Nunes cut his weight to 125 pounds and challenge Valentina Shevchenko for the flyweight championship? I reckon Valentina should be given a challenge, women's flyweight is very boring.

[Bttzed03]

Can Amanda Nunes cut his weight to 125 pounds and challenge Valentina Shevchenko for the flyweight championship? I reckon Valentina should be given a challenge, women's flyweight is very boring.

Amanda's toughest opponent is the weight cut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQLgbVjxGfM
It would not be healthy for her to shred more to reach 125 lbs. It will greatly affect her power and might lose to someone who is in her natural weight class.

[Saint-loup]

Can Amanda Nunes cut his weight to 125 pounds and challenge Valentina Shevchenko for the flyweight championship? I reckon Valentina should be given a challenge, women's flyweight is very boring.

It was a complete 5 rounds fight against Liz Carmouche so I don't know how it works for fights outside the U.S but Shevchenko could get a medical suspension for several months. Nunes is a batamweight fighter she went up to featherweight category few months ago to fight against Cris Cyborg for the featherweight title, so I don't think she will be very delighted to cut her weight for going down to flyweights category now.

[TopTort777]

Hey guys.

I've never been on any UFC event IRL. Have any one in this topic visited at least any event ? How long does is usually lasts ?
UFC Fight Night 156 - 13 fight, 7 of them are by decision. That is 7*3*3=63 minutes of fighting. Plus rest time, time when fighters go from locker room to octagon.

I've been on local boxing events (fight night) and K1 Max Grand Pries, and they are usually from 20:00 to 01:00 

[eaLiTy]

Nunes is a batamweight fighter she went up to featherweight category few months ago to fight against Cris Cyborg for the featherweight title, so I don't think she will be very delighted to cut her weight for going down to flyweights category now.

There is no real contender for both Valentina Shevchenko and Amanda Nunes, even when they fought each other when Valentina Shevchenko was fighting above his weight class at 135 pounds the fights were really close the first time and the second one was a split decision and she is the only person who stood with Nunes for 8 rounds which is incredible considering how she demolished everyone after that. We need to see the third fight, either Valentina Shevchenko will move up to challenge Nunes for her championship or Nunes comes down to 125 which is really hard, either way we need to see them fight for the third time.

[tokeweed]

^  Yup.  And looking at Nunes these days...  She looks like she could eat a fly weight, not move down to their weight class.  Lolol.

Edit:  Finally the good stuff! 

Date:  Saturday, August 17
Main Card (ESPN):  22:00 EST
Preliminary Card (ESPN):  20:00 EST
Early Prelims (Fight Pass):  18:15 EST
Venue:  Honda Center, Anaheim, California



Main Card (PPV)
Heavyweight:  Daniel Cormier vs Stipe Miocic
Welterweight:  Anthony Pettis vs Nate Diaz            
Middleweight:  Yoel Romero vs Paulo Costa            
Featherweight:  Gabriel Benítez vs Sodiq Yusuff            
Middleweight:  Derek Brunson vs Ian Heinisch      

Preliminary Card (ESPN)
Lightweight:  Clay Collard vs Devonte Smith            
Bantamweight:  Raphael Assuncao vs Cory Sandhagen            
Bantamweight:  Manny Bermudez vs Casey Kenney            
Lightweight:  Drakkar Klose vs Christos Giagos

Early Prelims (Fight Pass)
Women's Strawweight:  Hannah Cifers vs Jodie Esquibel            
Bantamweight:  Kyung Ho Kang vs Brandon Davis            
Women's Flyweight:  Sabina Mazo vs Shana Dobson

All info from Wikipedia:  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_241

[Saint-loup]

Nunes is a batamweight fighter she went up to featherweight category few months ago to fight against Cris Cyborg for the featherweight title, so I don't think she will be very delighted to cut her weight for going down to flyweights category now.

There is no real contender for both Valentina Shevchenko and Amanda Nunes, even when they fought each other when Valentina Shevchenko was fighting above his weight class at 135 pounds the fights were really close the first time and the second one was a split decision and she is the only person who stood with Nunes for 8 rounds which is incredible considering how she demolished everyone after that. We need to see the third fight, either Valentina Shevchenko will move up to challenge Nunes for her championship or Nunes comes down to 125 which is really hard, either way we need to see them fight for the third time.

In fact I suspect Shevchenko to have gone down to flyweight category because she saw it would be too difficult to beat Amanda Nunes and take her bantamweight belt. So she preferred to go down to flyweight to win the title...