🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[Pumared]

It would not be so fun if it wasnt true. How long Bones reign in heavyweights with 0 title defence will continue? It is time to take his belt and remove him from ranking for not activity. If not mistaken, second UFC milking cow lost his lightweight belt after a years of inactivity. Bones fought last time in March 2023. It is time to give belt to Aspinal.

I'm sure they'll leave it until the end of the year, Jones is resting by going to parties and doing his favorite hobbies.

Anyone who bets and believes in him when he comes back is crazy. I've already given up, he lives in the past, that's all.

[TopTort777]

^  It's not just you.  And I think Poirier is prolly retiring after Makhachev.  But if by some miracle he wins, he'll prolly fight one more time to defend the belt the retire even if he wins.

Wasnt Poirier decided mentally to retire long time ago? Somehow I see that he lacks motivation to fight. After those two fights against McGregor I looked that he has earned enough and entered the octagon because UFC pushed on him and they need a story for a fight against milking cow.

It is time to take his belt and remove him from ranking for not activity. If not mistaken, second UFC milking cow lost his lightweight belt after a years of inactivity. Bones fought last time in March 2023. It is time to give belt to Aspinal.

Nah, he was ready to fight but got injured, so can't blame him for that. And I blame the UFC for the fact that they allowed him to fight Stipe instead of Aspinall after his recovery.
He should be stripped if he refuses to fight Tom (or whoever will be holding the interim belt) after his fight with Stipe.

Cant wait for UFC to stop acting like all-permissive parent with a spoiled kid. The UFC wasnt built around Bones. If he dont want to fight, free the belt and leave. Ask other division champions, they are little selective when choosing opponent, but never avoided fighting. Replace Bones with battle dwarf Volk and make a fight I am sure Volk is ready to gain and fight Aspinal in a 1 minute notice

[Rampagoe004]

I'm sure they'll leave it until the end of the year, Jones is resting by going to parties and doing his favorite hobbies.

Anyone who bets and believes in him when he comes back is crazy. I've already given up, he lives in the past, that's all.

I'm confused as to why the UFC likes Jon Jones. I admit Jones is a GOAT. He has many prestigious records and there will probably never be another fighter like him. But I really don't like his attitude. I wanted a Jones vs Ngannou fight but unfortunately the UFC had contract and pay issues with Ngannou so he opted for Boxing. I don't think a fight against Gane and Miocic is a worthy match for Jones to call himself the GOAT at heavyweight. Gane is not a wrestler and Miocic is too old to be one. If Jones delays the fight like this I can't respect Jones as a fighter. Why doesn't Jones choose another option like Aspinall or Pavlovich who is in his prime?

[TopTort777]

I've got some things to discuss

Ever wondered why in boxing there are so many guys with 0 losses? That is always confuses me. I would accept if there are boxers who fight only weak opponents and build records. But if look on any organization top ranking, among top5 or top10, there are a lot of guys with 20-30 wins, and only 0 or 1 loss. Or how come it be that a on first 5 places of top there are guys with 20-0, 22-0, 18-0, 21-0 records. Now look on UFC top. It is a really rare case, if a division champion, or someone in top5 has no losses at all. When in boxing those undefeated boxers are in every weight division. Somehow this is an absurd. Either there cant be so many professionals with 0 losses, or boxing record has less value than MMA record (for example), or boxers are afraid to fight against similar undefeated guys. Cant imagine if there would be a champion that will fight only weak opponents and refuses to tops just because he dont want to lose that 0 in losses.

[tokeweed]

^  Yeah cos most of them like fighting cans instead of the best guys.  In the UFC, Bellator, PFL, ONE, etc, etc that can't happen as they have the match makers doing it for them. Not really sure how the match making works in boxing tho.  But when I used to watch it, all I watch is the main event as most of the under cards suck.  And what I don't like about boxing is they put too much of a premium in unblemished records.  I mean who cares if the fighter is undefeated...  In MMA, that only means that the fighter hasn't really been tested yet.

[cabron]

^  Yeah cos most of them like fighting cans instead of the best guys.  In the UFC, Bellator, PFL, ONE, etc, etc that can't happen as they have the match makers doing it for them. Not really sure how the match making works in boxing tho.  But when I used to watch it, all I watch is the main event as most of the under cards suck.  And what I don't like about boxing is they put too much of a premium in unblemished records.  I mean who cares if the fighter is undefeated...  In MMA, that only means that the fighter hasn't really been tested yet.

Floyd cares so much about undefeated. Same with Jones. Legacy I suppose and when a fighter retires undefeated, they have the opportunity to promote products while they can brag about the undefeated record. Tyson Fury used to brag about it.  Being undefeated means marketable.

MMA is very different though. You can only be the best when you have all the skills from boxing, jujitsu, wrestling, and all sorts which is why if the match team is going to test a striker against someone who has wrestling skills chances are that the striker will be at the disadvantage unless he learns fast with his team. boxing is just boxing. but some of them are just decorating themselves with KOs even the fights in their amateur days like 8 rounder fights.

[OgNasty]

I watched a few classic fights last night on YouTube and I’ve got to say that the Khamzat vs Burns fight has to be one of my favorite UFC fights of all time. Those guys were really hammering each other. No spectacular knockouts like Conor’s prime fights, but seeing two warriors face off like that is definitely worth a rewatch.

[pawel7777]

Cant wait for UFC to stop acting like all-permissive parent with a spoiled kid. The UFC wasnt built around Bones. If he dont want to fight, free the belt and leave. Ask other division champions, they are little selective when choosing opponent, but never avoided fighting. Replace Bones with battle dwarf Volk and make a fight I am sure Volk is ready to gain and fight Aspinal in a 1 minute notice

But he does want to fight. That's the point. It's easy to get distracted with social-media dramas (leaked DMs etc), but as far as we know, he agreed to fight Stipe, which is something that UFC wants him to do.
To be fair, when the Jones Vs Stipe was first announced, that match wasn't all that bad. There weren't that many better options (with Ngannou leaving and Aspinall was still climbing to the top).
The main problem was they weren't in a rush to make that fight. Jones fought Gane in March 2023, they announced the Stipe fight in July 2023 and the date was set for Nov 2023. And then the injury happened.
Whether everything took so long because Jones was stalling, or was it the fault of the UFC - I don't know. But if they haven't stripped him of the belt back then, then stripping him now when he's injured and has an agreed fight makes little sense.
Lets give him a bit time.

[Balmain]

I've got some things to discuss

Ever wondered why in boxing there are so many guys with 0 losses? That is always confuses me. I would accept if there are boxers who fight only weak opponents and build records. But if look on any organization top ranking, among top5 or top10, there are a lot of guys with 20-30 wins, and only 0 or 1 loss. Or how come it be that a on first 5 places of top there are guys with 20-0, 22-0, 18-0, 21-0 records. Now look on UFC top. It is a really rare case, if a division champion, or someone in top5 has no losses at all. When in boxing those undefeated boxers are in every weight division. Somehow this is an absurd. Either there cant be so many professionals with 0 losses, or boxing record has less value than MMA record (for example), or boxers are afraid to fight against similar undefeated guys. Cant imagine if there would be a champion that will fight only weak opponents and refuses to tops just because he dont want to lose that 0 in losses.

Boxing is a sport that has been going on with its organizations for many years, now some things are certain, they simply bring some fighters to the top and take them to the top. I always question it, too, when I watch boxing matches and follow them, regardless of the weight, I look at the Win and Loose ratio of the guy, he has almost no defeats, some of them are not competitive at all and it is obvious from the numbers that it is ridiculous. I don't think this will change in boxing. The situation is completely different in MMA organizations, for example, in the fights of organizations such as UFC, Bellator or One FC, the name at the top can only stay at the top for a certain period of time, regardless of the weight, and new names are always coming that can take it from the top, and this is the best part.

[Pumared]

I'm sure they'll leave it until the end of the year, Jones is resting by going to parties and doing his favorite hobbies.

Anyone who bets and believes in him when he comes back is crazy. I've already given up, he lives in the past, that's all.

I'm confused as to why the UFC likes Jon Jones. I admit Jones is a GOAT. He has many prestigious records and there will probably never be another fighter like him. But I really don't like his attitude. I wanted a Jones vs Ngannou fight but unfortunately the UFC had contract and pay issues with Ngannou so he opted for Boxing. I don't think a fight against Gane and Miocic is a worthy match for Jones to call himself the GOAT at heavyweight. Gane is not a wrestler and Miocic is too old to be one. If Jones delays the fight like this I can't respect Jones as a fighter. Why doesn't Jones choose another option like Aspinall or Pavlovich who is in his prime?

I don't understand either, but the fact that he lives in the past is true. In my view, McGregor attracts more audiences than Jones. Jones is a great fighter, but for a while now he hasn't done anything relevant in my view, for me he's a top 10 fighter, at most top 5.

[bbc.reporter]

That is a very brave prediction of yours hehehe. I will also offer a brave prediction. I predict Islam Makhachev will win against Dustin Poirier very much similar to Khabib and this will be with a rear naked choke hehe.

In any case, I wish @Saint-loup will not see this prediction because he might again challenge me to bet against him and I will again be forced to be brave heheheheeh. This might become another donation for him. However, yes it will be a rear naked choke.

You've called me?    Last time you've bet against me, you didn't lose, you didn't win either, nobody won unfortunately actually IIRC.
How much do you want to bet?  Which odds do you propose?

Hehehehehe I did not expect for you to see this heehehhee.



However, I cannot be very certain how much odds I can propose to you because there are many types of submission technics in mixed martial arts. The rear naked choke is only one of them. If I propose something, you might tell me that I am being unfair. Also, Islam can also win with a knockout punch or a technical knockout.

It appears that I cannot be brave for you hehehehe.

[TopTort777]

^  Yeah cos most of them like fighting cans instead of the best guys.  In the UFC, Bellator, PFL, ONE, etc, etc that can't happen as they have the match makers doing it for them. Not really sure how the match making works in boxing tho.  But when I used to watch it, all I watch is the main event as most of the under cards suck.  And what I don't like about boxing is they put too much of a premium in unblemished records.  I mean who cares if the fighter is undefeated...  In MMA, that only means that the fighter hasn't really been tested yet.

Floyd cares so much about undefeated. Same with Jones. Legacy I suppose and when a fighter retires undefeated, they have the opportunity to promote products while they can brag about the undefeated record. Tyson Fury used to brag about it.  Being undefeated means marketable.

MMA is very different though. You can only be the best when you have all the skills from boxing, jujitsu, wrestling, and all sorts which is why if the match team is going to test a striker against someone who has wrestling skills chances are that the striker will be at the disadvantage unless he learns fast with his team. boxing is just boxing. but some of them are just decorating themselves with KOs even the fights in their amateur days like 8 rounder fights.

I would understand if those undefeated boxers would be from local promotions and etc. We have MMA fighters with same undefeated record built in jungle-pride-mma-buffalo-texas-fc. But when I look into WBO, WBA and etc, and I see that top five guys are undefeated or have 1 loss, that makes me feel curious how this is possible. Imagine we get a lightweight UFC top Makhachev 18-0, Tsarukyan 15-0, Oliveira 30-0, Gaethji 25-0 and Poirier 30-1. That is just impossible.

[tokeweed]

^  Yeah cos most of them like fighting cans instead of the best guys.  In the UFC, Bellator, PFL, ONE, etc, etc that can't happen as they have the match makers doing it for them. Not really sure how the match making works in boxing tho.  But when I used to watch it, all I watch is the main event as most of the under cards suck.  And what I don't like about boxing is they put too much of a premium in unblemished records.  I mean who cares if the fighter is undefeated...  In MMA, that only means that the fighter hasn't really been tested yet.

Floyd cares so much about undefeated. Same with Jones. Legacy I suppose and when a fighter retires undefeated, they have the opportunity to promote products while they can brag about the undefeated record. Tyson Fury used to brag about it.  Being undefeated means marketable.

MMA is very different though. You can only be the best when you have all the skills from boxing, jujitsu, wrestling, and all sorts which is why if the match team is going to test a striker against someone who has wrestling skills chances are that the striker will be at the disadvantage unless he learns fast with his team. boxing is just boxing. but some of them are just decorating themselves with KOs even the fights in their amateur days like 8 rounder fights.

Maybe but I could say that staying undefeated in the UFC is waaay harder than staying undefeated in boxing.  There's just a lot more going on in MMA as fighters have to study and practice multiple disciplines.  Boxing on the other handis just boxing.  Lol.   And I know the next question would be then why do MMA fighters lose when they fight boxers in boxing?  Ok if they're so good at fighting then why don't the top boxers fight in MMA?  A top 15 UFC fighter would win vs a top boxer 7 times out of 10 in MMA imho.  And that's being generous.  

Name a great boxer right now and I'll name an MMA fighter outside the top 5 who I think could win.

[cabron]

^  Yeah cos most of them like fighting cans instead of the best guys.  In the UFC, Bellator, PFL, ONE, etc, etc that can't happen as they have the match makers doing it for them. Not really sure how the match making works in boxing tho.  But when I used to watch it, all I watch is the main event as most of the under cards suck.  And what I don't like about boxing is they put too much of a premium in unblemished records.  I mean who cares if the fighter is undefeated...  In MMA, that only means that the fighter hasn't really been tested yet.

Floyd cares so much about undefeated. Same with Jones. Legacy I suppose and when a fighter retires undefeated, they have the opportunity to promote products while they can brag about the undefeated record. Tyson Fury used to brag about it.  Being undefeated means marketable.

MMA is very different though. You can only be the best when you have all the skills from boxing, jujitsu, wrestling, and all sorts which is why if the match team is going to test a striker against someone who has wrestling skills chances are that the striker will be at the disadvantage unless he learns fast with his team. boxing is just boxing. but some of them are just decorating themselves with KOs even the fights in their amateur days like 8 rounder fights.

Maybe but I could say that staying undefeated in the UFC is waaay harder than staying undefeated in boxing.  There's just a lot more going on in MMA as fighters have to study and practice multiple disciplines.  Boxing on the other handis just boxing.  Lol.   And I know the next question would be then why do MMA fighters lose when they fight boxers in boxing?  Ok if they're so good at fighting then why don't the top boxers fight in MMA?  A top 15 UFC fighter would win vs a top boxer 7 times out of 10 in MMA imho.  And that's being generous.  

Name a great boxer right now and I'll name an MMA fighter outside the top 5 who I think could win.

Inoue vs striker.

But I don't think a boxer will put himself in a situation where rules are going to be unfavorable to him. Rodtang hardly earn points in the first round with DJdespite the modified rules is favorable to him.

Rules matter. Even in a boxer vs boxer fight, the rules can be utilized to put a boxer out of action. Ryan Garcia did this to Devin Haney as he turned his body sideways. If Ryan was fighting in UFC, his opponent would jump right on his back for a rare naked choke.

[tokeweed]

^  So I looked him up and he fights at boxing's 122 lbs weight class.  That's flyweight in the UFC which is up to 125 lbs..  And since we're just trying to make a point that the top fighters in boxing would have a hard time winning vs some if the top guys in the UFC within the same weigh class, then let's list the guys from the top 6 to 15 in UFC's flyweight...  

Muhammad Mokaev   
Manel Kape   
Matheus Nicolau   
Steve Erceg   
Tim Elliott   
Matt Schnell   
Tagir Ulanbekov   
Tatsuro Taira   
Sumudaerji   
David Dvorak   

Out the guys in the list, I think Inoue could prolly win vs three of them...  Matt Schnell, Sumudaerji and Dvorack.  But then again with the wrestling, the hard leg kicks and the BJJ...  Dunno.  It's prolly zero.

[cabron]

^
Let's say Inoue fights anyone on the list using the UFC gloves, those guys will stumble to stand up with just a jab from Inoue. As long as he can defend himself from a takedown, it will be hellish for these guys. They could potentially win by submission but not if they stand head-to-head. To believe themselves to win in standing, they have the slightest chance.

Its like Kamaru Usman picking Jan Blachowicz https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1793649032595706220
And then Jan replied to him If you still feel the same about it @USMAN84kg, let’s go. I will be ready.

I think Kamaru is really up to it since he seems to have no fight at all, he is going LHW. But he has the slight chance too.

[Saint-loup]

Hehehehehe I did not expect for you to see this heehehhee.



However, I cannot be very certain how much odds I can propose to you because there are many types of submission technics in mixed martial arts. The rear naked choke is only one of them. If I propose something, you might tell me that I am being unfair. Also, Islam can also win with a knockout punch or a technical knockout.

It appears that I cannot be brave for you hehehehe.

Yes he can win by KO or TKO for sure, or even by a kimura or an armbar submission and if you had bet on a victory by rear naked choke submission you would lose your bet despite his nice victory, you might feel wronged, but that's how it is. Betting on how he will win is just not the same thing as betting if he will win or not. So if you don't feel comfortable with betting on his precise winning method, we could just bet on a victory by choke. It means Islam would have to win the fight and to get his victory by submitting his opponent with a choke. But any kind of choking technique would be ok and not only the rear naked one.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokehold#Types

[Pumared]

^  Yeah cos most of them like fighting cans instead of the best guys.  In the UFC, Bellator, PFL, ONE, etc, etc that can't happen as they have the match makers doing it for them. Not really sure how the match making works in boxing tho.  But when I used to watch it, all I watch is the main event as most of the under cards suck.  And what I don't like about boxing is they put too much of a premium in unblemished records.  I mean who cares if the fighter is undefeated...  In MMA, that only means that the fighter hasn't really been tested yet.

Floyd cares so much about undefeated. Same with Jones. Legacy I suppose and when a fighter retires undefeated, they have the opportunity to promote products while they can brag about the undefeated record. Tyson Fury used to brag about it.  Being undefeated means marketable.

MMA is very different though. You can only be the best when you have all the skills from boxing, jujitsu, wrestling, and all sorts which is why if the match team is going to test a striker against someone who has wrestling skills chances are that the striker will be at the disadvantage unless he learns fast with his team. boxing is just boxing. but some of them are just decorating themselves with KOs even the fights in their amateur days like 8 rounder fights.

Maybe but I could say that staying undefeated in the UFC is waaay harder than staying undefeated in boxing.  There's just a lot more going on in MMA as fighters have to study and practice multiple disciplines.  Boxing on the other handis just boxing.  Lol.   And I know the next question would be then why do MMA fighters lose when they fight boxers in boxing?  Ok if they're so good at fighting then why don't the top boxers fight in MMA?  A top 15 UFC fighter would win vs a top boxer 7 times out of 10 in MMA imho.  And that's being generous.  

Name a great boxer right now and I'll name an MMA fighter outside the top 5 who I think could win.

In the UFC, when you generate a lot of clicks and views, you end up having a moral compass with the boss and being able to choose fights. I don't know how it works in boxing, but in the UFC they seem to choose which fights they want to fight and that creates, for me, cartels that aren't reality. Let's say that 20% of all the undefeated cartels are false.

[TopTort777]

Can someone explain hype around Diego Lopes? It is clear that the kid is talented. But he has got only 4 fights in UFC, but I often see him giving interviews or flashing somewhere. By the look on his record, he can both do striking and submitting people. But that is the level of non UFC. He fought Evloev (#5 among featherweight) on a 5-day notice, and in every round Evloev was saved by bell from being submitted. Impressive, but that is pretty much it. However, he is on #14 now.

[tokeweed]

^  The guy isn't really tested apart from his debut in the UFC.  But his last win vs Yusuff was decent since Yusuff is regarded as one of the better prospects.  Not sure what happened to him after his injury tho.  He's still strong but I think coming back after a one year lay off vs Barboza for a 5 rounder is bad match making.  The UFC should've give him an opponent lower in the pecking order to get him acclimated in the cage.  And giving him Lopes after a tough loss Barboza is just dumb imho.

^  Yeah cos most of them like fighting cans instead of the best guys.  In the UFC, Bellator, PFL, ONE, etc, etc that can't happen as they have the match makers doing it for them. Not really sure how the match making works in boxing tho.  But when I used to watch it, all I watch is the main event as most of the under cards suck.  And what I don't like about boxing is they put too much of a premium in unblemished records.  I mean who cares if the fighter is undefeated...  In MMA, that only means that the fighter hasn't really been tested yet.

Floyd cares so much about undefeated. Same with Jones. Legacy I suppose and when a fighter retires undefeated, they have the opportunity to promote products while they can brag about the undefeated record. Tyson Fury used to brag about it.  Being undefeated means marketable.

MMA is very different though. You can only be the best when you have all the skills from boxing, jujitsu, wrestling, and all sorts which is why if the match team is going to test a striker against someone who has wrestling skills chances are that the striker will be at the disadvantage unless he learns fast with his team. boxing is just boxing. but some of them are just decorating themselves with KOs even the fights in their amateur days like 8 rounder fights.

Maybe but I could say that staying undefeated in the UFC is waaay harder than staying undefeated in boxing.  There's just a lot more going on in MMA as fighters have to study and practice multiple disciplines.  Boxing on the other handis just boxing.  Lol.   And I know the next question would be then why do MMA fighters lose when they fight boxers in boxing?  Ok if they're so good at fighting then why don't the top boxers fight in MMA?  A top 15 UFC fighter would win vs a top boxer 7 times out of 10 in MMA imho.  And that's being generous.  

Name a great boxer right now and I'll name an MMA fighter outside the top 5 who I think could win.

In the UFC, when you generate a lot of clicks and views, you end up having a moral compass with the boss and being able to choose fights. I don't know how it works in boxing, but in the UFC they seem to choose which fights they want to fight and that creates, for me, cartels that aren't reality. Let's say that 20% of all the undefeated cartels are false.

So you saying that the UFC isn't making good fights and that something should change?

^
Let's say Inoue fights anyone on the list using the UFC gloves, those guys will stumble to stand up with just a jab from Inoue. As long as he can defend himself from a takedown, it will be hellish for these guys. They could potentially win by submission but not if they stand head-to-head. To believe themselves to win in standing, they have the slightest chance.

Its like Kamaru Usman picking Jan Blachowicz https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1793649032595706220
And then Jan replied to him If you still feel the same about it @USMAN84kg, let’s go. I will be ready.

I think Kamaru is really up to it since he seems to have no fight at all, he is going LHW. But he has the slight chance too.

Uh lol...  I'm pretty sure this Inoue guy will make the MMA guys who has almost no wrestling in their game look like Daniel Cormier.