Which Mixer is getting axed next?

[Mpamaegbu]

First, it was Bestmixer services that got truncated and the signature advertorials ended abruptly in the 8th Week https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125389.340, then a few days later

Bitblender opted out of running their signature campaigns https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100568.msg51243240#msg51243240 in a dramatic manner yesterday.

Which Mixer is next? Is this going to be the end of the Mixers? What really is going on here? I know the cyber security dudes are keeping a close watch on the Bitcoin mixing sites. But what really is going on?

[GreatArkansas]

Base on Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns [Last update: 05-May-2019]:
There are three current listed; BestMixer, BitBlender and ChipMixer. Since the thread last update was May 5, these 2 sig camp about mixers ended/closed.
But if we remove BestMixer and BitBlender.

Only ChipMixer left for having the signature campaign active.

BITCLOAK BITCOIN MIXER [SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN] [CFNP] This signature campaign of Bitcloack CFNP before of the BestMixer issue.
Both BitBlender and BitCloack websites are still up. These are only mixers I am familiar with.

Which Mixer is next? Is this going to be the end of the Mixers?

As what I see after the BestMixer issue is a domino effect since BestMixer has one of the mixers that has the largest total transaction. So, those underdogs mixers can easily be taken down once they are proven breaking some law.

EDIT: Found a 2019 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites thread, since there is a list of current known mixers, you can select and predict which next is getting axed.

[stadus]

This is pretty alarming, we don't want to see this but I think there measures now are more on preventive since the authorities are making harsh measures on mixers. I don't want to speculate on which is next because they are all in one industry.

However, I believe things are just temporary, if there is at least one mixer that will survive, those mixers that shut down now can soon rise with a new name and maybe stronger, they can just copy the method employed by the surviving mixers and they are good again.

This side of issue is only the operators, the market of business is still huge and will remain, though it could also affect their confidence but eventually it will be restore as the reputation of mixers will be build up once again.

Guys, nothing to worry, this is just part of the changes which I believe for the betterment of the mixing industry.
We can just view it as a dump moment of bitcoin and eventually recover and now on it's bullish mode.

[BitBustah]

There is so much money to be made off mixer fees that many more will pop up.  Serious mixers will operate in lenient countries that don't punish people for this type of shit.

[imstillthebest]

There is so much money to be made off mixer fees that many more will pop up.  Serious mixers will operate in lenient countries that don't punish people for this type of shit.

So much money ?  Not all people uses a sevice like this and mixing site owners do still need to pay in order for thier site to keep on running  .i think the reason why mixers are getting shutdown is because they are illegal ? You know hackers and scammers use this service to get away the coins that they stole   

@op Im waiting for chipmixer to to get axed soon  .

[squatter]

So much money ?  Not all people uses a sevice like this and mixing site owners do still need to pay in order for thier site to keep on running  .i think the reason why mixers are getting shutdown is because they are illegal ? You know hackers and scammers use this service to get away the coins that they stole   

It's a legal grey area. I haven't seen any regulations passed that specifically affect mixers. I'm sure they are used by some people to launder money, but even in the Bestmixer case, Europol seems unsure of the extent. Notably, no one was arrested in that case, either.

I imagine Bitblender was spooked by the Bestmixer bust, especially if they have operations in Europe. If so, hopefully they're planning to relaunch under a new name and from a new location.

[Mpamaegbu]

 
@op Im waiting for chipmixer to to get axed soon.  

Lol...

I know it's hard getting into that campaign, right? Apart from that, is there any reason for wanting them shutdown? I guess Chipmixer participants are apprehensive and jittery now, especially those who don't have a life outside this forum.

[mk4]

You know hackers and scammers use this service to get away the coins that they stole   

Come on. It's the Roubini/Dimon/Schiff argument once again. Not saying this solely to defend mixers, but not because people use mixers, it doesn't automatically mean 100% is for shady purposes. There's nothing wrong with wanting privacy over one's funds.

[BitHodler]

There is so much money to be made off mixer fees that many more will pop up. 

It depends though. With how the fees have increased, small mixing tasks probably cost more than they bring in. Mixers make money off the larger mixing tasks where a small percentage accounts for at least a decent amount.

And even if there was a lot of money to be made, only the existing ones will gobble up probably 90% of the whole market because of how important trust and reputation is. No one is going to trust a freshly started mixer right away.

[1Referee]

 
@op Im waiting for chipmixer to to get axed soon.  

Lol...

I know it's hard getting into that campaign, right? Apart from that, is there any reason for wanting them shutdown?

Spot on.

It makes zero sense other than someone being salty about not being able to participate in the campaign to trash one of the most important services in the space. Based on that, it's probably safe to say that he isn't a Bitcoin user at all, just a leech.

Nothing is more important than privacy in this space. If you can't mix your coins, then you can just as easily hand over all your data to the government and services you use directly. In that regard, I hope that all these shutdowns have made existing mixers more aware of the risks, therefore up their standards and go even more underground where possible.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You know hackers and scammers use this service to get away the coins that they stole   

And people use Tor for all sorts of nefarious purposes, and yet it was designed by the US government (if I'm not completely mistaken).  In any case, nobody has tried to shut it down yet.  If everything that could be used do help criminals got shut down, the world would come to a screeching halt, and what this recent action looks like to me is a witch hunt.

I guess Chipmixer participants are apprehensive and jittery now, especially those who don't have a life outside this forum.

I certainly wouldn't want to see the Chipmixer campaign end, but it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if it did.  I've been in numerous campaigns, and with the exception of 777Coin, they've all ended.  I have a life outside the forum, but I do like earning bitcoin as it gives me some extra dough to experiment with trading and/or holding bitcoin.  It's a pain in the ass buying bitcoin with fiat.

It's a legal grey area. I haven't seen any regulations passed that specifically affect mixers.

I imagine it is, but I doubt any of these mixer services are going to fight back.  And a lot of laws are overarching and can be used to prosecute things you wouldn't think were possible.  So if I'm not mistaken, this is a European thing right now with the shutdowns.  Are the remaining mixing services all based in Europe?  I don't even know where Chipmixer is incorporated.

[LeGaulois]

Forget the signature campaigns man, that's not what we're interested in. In the near future, you will understand why to use mixers, dexs, and privacy-centric crypto, etc.

As long a mixer is able to do a job correctly there is nothing to be afraid. Mixers have been here for years now. If authorities successfully tracked the TXs guess what, it's because the mixer hasn't 'a so great system'

[figmentofmyass]

As long a mixer is able to do a job correctly there is nothing to be afraid. Mixers have been here for years now. If authorities successfully tracked the TXs guess what, it's because the mixer hasn't 'a so great system'

apparently most mixers aren't so great. this guy has broken most of the algorithms used by centralized mixers---all besides chipmixer, that is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117328.0

So if I'm not mistaken, this is a European thing right now with the shutdowns.  Are the remaining mixing services all based in Europe?  I don't even know where Chipmixer is incorporated.

i would have assumed no mixer operator would be dumb enough to operate from europe. i thought wrong.....

[gentlemand]

I know it's hard getting into that campaign, right? Apart from that, is there any reason for wanting them shutdown? I guess Chipmixer participants are apprehensive and jittery now, especially those who don't have a life outside this forum.

What happens happens. I for one would certainly not begrudge them shutting down. Why bother risking it? Even if they're confident in their set up you never know what law enforcement has up its sleeve. And anyone dependent on a sig campaign is a fool. Loads have died with no warning at all.

There is so much money to be made off mixer fees that many more will pop up.  Serious mixers will operate in lenient countries that don't punish people for this type of shit.

If I were toying with it I'd want to see if anything came of Bestmixer prosecution wise. It's possible the operators won't be found. It looks like plenty of people who used it might have been.  

If mixers become considered to be something marginal that also attracts marginal personalities with all the exit scamming that entails. Up until now mixing was seen as a useful adjunct to crypto life, though always a little grey. We may end up with a scummier and scammier class of operators if they go into it with lawless expectations.

[LeGaulois]

As long a mixer is able to do a job correctly there is nothing to be afraid. Mixers have been here for years now. If authorities successfully tracked the TXs guess what, it's because the mixer hasn't 'a so great system'

apparently most mixers aren't so great. this guy has broken most of the algorithms used by centralized mixers---all besides chipmixer, that is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117328.0

We've never got any evidence before but it's something we all knew or suspected. At least I'm and I'm surely not the first and not the last.
3 or 4 years back I remember when I posted here to say some mixers aren't effective and TXs can be tracked if someone has the resources, people replied I was trolling but I wasn't.

Now the thing is, Mixers improved with the years, but not all. While it wasn't a problem before now it is and authorities are after the broken mixers. And I can think of ~2 other mixers as a "good target" for them

[gentlemand]

BTW, it'd be good to hear of some kind of a reassurance by ChipMixer that they aren't going anywhere, I hope they are unaffected by recent events...

I don't think they've made an official statement but they did refill the escrow address for the signature campaign which is a good sign I suppose.

Chipmixer have dropped a hint that it's business as usual according to that. Still, considering everything that's gone on it would be good business to make an actual statement about it. People may be holding off.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Make your choice from the list before, anymore could be the next bestmixer and possiblities are some are already under investigation just as bestmixer was but nobody knew although if I was to pick the least favorite to get axed my vote will go to chipmixer (they appear more professional than the rest) I could be wrong though lol .

2019 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites

⭐Name: ChipMixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://chipmixer.com
🔹Tor link: chipmixerwzxtzbw.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: PWYW (Pay what you want)
⭐Name: BitMix.Biz
🔹Clearnet link: https://bitmix.biz
🔹Tor link: bitmixbizymuphkc.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees:  from 0.4% to 4% (+ Network fees 0.001)
⭐Name: BitCloak
🔹Clearnet link: https://bitcloak43blmhmn.com
🔹Tor link: bitcloak43blmhmn.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: Randomized ~2% (+ Network fees 0.001)
⭐Name: Mixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: mixermikevpntu2o.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link:  Here
🔹Fees: From 1% to 5% (depending on the method) (+ Network fees)
⭐Name: PrivCoin
🔹Clearnet link: https://privcoin.io
🔹Tor link: tr5ods7ncr6eznny.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: minimum fee 0.8% (+ Network fees 0.0008)
⭐Name: Pay Shield
🔹Clearnet link: N/A
🔹Tor link: payshld6oxbu5eft.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link:  N/A
🔹Fees: (+ Network fees)
⭐Name: CryptoMixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: cryptomixns23scr.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees:  0.5% + 0.0005BTC
⭐Name: MixTum
🔹Clearnet link: https://[banned mixer]
🔹Tor link: mixtum5lbuslyow2.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees:  5% (+ Network fee)
⭐Name: Ecomix
🔹Clearnet link: https://ecomix.io
🔹Tor link:  ecomix7ez6ygyou4.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: From 0.3% to 4% (+ Network fees 0.00001 to 0.0003 )
⭐ Name: Blender.io
🔹 Clearnet link: https://blender.io
🔹 Tor link: blenderiocpxfema.onion
🔹 Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5052876
🔹 Fees: From 0.5% to 2.5% for each operation, plus extra 0.0001 BTC for each tar
⭐Name: Wasabi Wallet
🔹Clearnet link: https://wasabiwallet.io
🔹Tor link: wasabiukrxmkdgve5kynjztuovbg43uxcbcxn6y2okcrsg7gb6jdmbad.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: 0.003%
⭐Name: BitMaximum
🔹Clearnet link: https://bitmaximum.io
🔹Tor link: bitmaximumgnmsaf.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees:  From 0.5% to 15% (+ Network fee)
⭐Name: FoxMixer
🔹Clearnet link: https://www.foxmixer.com
🔹Tor link: foxmixer6mrsuxrl.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: Vary, depends on confirmation time.
⭐Name: MyBitMix
🔹Clearnet link: http://mybitmix.com Mirror: http://mybitmix.biz
🔹Tor link: mybitmix7rkdtzmi.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees:  from 0.5% to 3.99% + miners fee 0.0007 per one extra output address
⭐Name: MixerTumbler
🔹Clearnet link: https://mixertumbler.com
🔹Tor link: n/a
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: From 2% to 5% (+ Network fee)

[SaShiRaJaVu]

Which Mixer is next? Is this going to be the end of the Mixers? What really is going on here? I know the cyber security dudes are keeping a close watch on the Bitcoin mixing sites. But what really is going on?

If you watch what they have said regarding Best mixer raid is that, they started investigating within the first month of its inception and they did that because they choose wrong words in their website to promote their service"website explained to potential customers how mixing their cryptocurrency enabled them to circumvent anti-money-laundering policies." From what i understand those words made them the target for the authorities to go after them. If authorities spent the tax money to investigate they will come up with all the accusation they can and till now they have not provided any proof which illegal coins are washed through their service.

[Mpamaegbu]

Thanks for the list but I was actually looking at the mixers currently running their campaigns here. This development isn't palatable for the growth of Bitcoin.

[Lucius]

~snip~

It's not just a problem in mixers, but how and where they operate. EU has very harsh laws when it comes to terrorism and money laundering, and crypto mixers is something what they associate with exactly those things. Solution it to move in some less dangerous countries, and in some way protect yourself from such things. Although today the world is actually a big global village in which it is difficult to remain unnoticed.

The fact that one mixer closed is not something to be surprised (they are forced to that), but why BitBlender is make such move? Maybe they're just in fear of the same thing happening to them, or BestMixer and BitBlender have the same owner?