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June 12, 2019, 07:52:34 AM
Last edit: June 12, 2019, 08:09:26 AM by pushups44
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Mods seem to disagree for some of your posts. (and ironically, you spelt proper incorrectly)

I agree, and I can admit when I'm wrong or make a mistake. It's weird because I have never gotten so many reports of abuse or had posts deleted until I started posting in this thread. I suspect I upset one of the mods because all of a sudden almost every one of my posts is getting flagged. Some of the posts of mine that got deleted even referenced sources - like one referencing Mati Greenspan of eToro. I admit a couple of the posts that got deleted probably deserved it.

Anyway, I may take a break from posting in this forum because this is getting a bit... hot or weird.
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June 12, 2019, 08:12:13 AM
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Your participants have a median of 3 merit, nearly 40% have zero or 1 merit, and nearly 2/3 have 5 or less merit. There are 51 accounts that posted in your signature campaign thread that are perma banned, and although they all might not have been participating in your campaign when they were banned, I suspect the majority of them probably were.

Are you making this stuff up to try and bait me to count the merits?
If over 80% of the campaign is full member+ how can 40% have 1 merit? I'll give you something more accurate than the median merits of the campaign, the average including Jr/Members

367.94 average merits for a Stake campaign member. It doesn't take much effort to find out your claim is 100% false
My claim is not false. It assumes that everyone who posted an application and is still wearing a stake.com signature is a participant in your signature campaign, which I have every reason to believe considering it appears you have accepted everyone who applied except those with negative trust.

If you had an account when the merit system was implemented, you were grandfathered in and received merit equal to the minimum needed for your then-current rank. My post was referring to the merit that people received subsequent to the implementation of the merit system and excludes any grandfathered merit received.

My numbers were accurate as of this past Sunday when I obtained my data, and are almost certainly still accurate.
I look at your list of 51 banned accounts and I don't even know who majority of them even are. This is completely flawed because you're making your own list of people so your information is false.
These are not random people, nor are they my own list. They are people who have posted in your signature campaign thread and are currently banned. When I have more time, I will cross reference these people against those who actually submitted applications, which I would assume to by the majority of those banned.
Low merits does not mean someone is incapable of a good post either. Are you incapable of being trusted or making a good post because your trust level is so negative?
1 - Not receiving many merits is a good indication the person is not making very many good posts. It is possible that some people who make a lot of good posts may not have merit, however this is not the case with participants in your signature campaign. The amount of merit a person has received is a quick way to objectively measure a person's post quality
2 - You appear to believe having negative trust is a reason why someone is "incapable of being trusted or making a good post" as you do not accept negative trusted people into your signature campaign. Also, I did ask to join your campaign, which you ignored, however if I was participating in your campaign, I would have left because of a) the low pay rates, and b) because I do not want to be associated with the amount of spam your campaign generates

Another thing, I'm fully aware what some of you are doing when you put a Stake signature on and then start trolling without being part of the campaign.

Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg51190436#msg51190436

There was never a point Souldream was ever in this campaign yet he was wearing the signature getting banned for plagiarism.
That is strange because he applied to your campaign, and I don't see any evidence of you rejecting anyone who applied. Why did you not accept this person?


However the root cause is that you are paying garbage rates

Higher pay rates will only encourage people to post more and lower pay rates encourage people to post less. If we truly want to see spam gone then remove all pay per post features because that will always encourage spam. Once I lowered the pay rates I saw an instant decrease in spam and it worked out well. I suggest other campaign managers stop over paying for posts because your supply of posters far surpasses your demand for them. But sure everyone is going to hate me for saying that even though it's true because so many are making a career out of Bitcointalk
You are ignoring the fact that your low pay rate is not going to attract those who are capable of making coherent posts. You are also ignoring the fact that the majority of people in your campaign have no business getting paid to post.
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June 12, 2019, 10:50:17 AM
Last edit: June 12, 2019, 11:24:41 AM by hilariousandco
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Okay I just want to point out involving merits into a a signature campaign won't work out. All that will do is encourage merit abuse and then everyone will say, "Oh look at that SteveStake now and his merit abuse! This merit abuse is clearly because the wages are too low!"

I tried to involve merit into the campaign in the past and I consider it the biggest failure in the entire campaign. I held a contest and the people who earned the most merit for the week would split a few hundred dollars in prizes. I say it was the biggest failure because I had to kick so many people out for merit abuse and people were breaking rules and begging for merit. Merit is abused heavily already without someone else giving incentive to "earn" it. If I add in merit rules to the contest we can guarantee a SteveStake is encouraging merit abuse thread.

Merits can be a good barometer of consistently good posters, but they shouldn't be something you rely on solely to judge a person and they're useless if you just require x amount because they can easily be gamed or farmed. This whole issue of spam in your campaign could have been prevented just by doing a simple quality control and only allowing decent posters. What you've essentially done is put an advert out for your company that it is hiring people and without a job interview or aptitude test you've given jobs to random people who are not qualified to do the work. Imagine staffing an office this way along with the manager never being there. It would quickly descend into chaos and people being lazy and not doing their job properly, especially when there was no repercussions for doing a shoddy job.

I had a surgery earlier in the year and my surgeon didn't speak great English when we talked. Does this mean I should have dismissed his opinions and looked at him as someone who wasn't credible?

I'm not saying people should be full out responding in other languages. I'm saying a lot of what makes someone considered a "spammer" are grammer errors smaller than the one you were so eager to point out just now.

I'm assuming your surgeon was qualified for surgery. Would you have been ok with some random person performing the surgery who didn't have any appropriate qualifications? I can't speak any other language other than English, but imagine if I go to a non-English speaking message board and try. It would be a disaster and that's what happens here. People who can't speak English very well, if at all, are forcing themselves to do so because there's financial reward. Because of signature campaigns many people even come here who have little to no knowledge or interest in bitcoin. That would be like me joining an Italian forum on Lamborghinis when I can't drive, can't speak Italian and have no interest in Lamborghinis, but if I can get paid to post there then I might try and that's the issue we have here.

At this time, the biggest source of spam in this forum is the campaign in which you are the manager, and after months of doing nothing you ask members of this forum to clear your mess?

That's simply not true. Be a leader not a follower, you only say that because someone else did and if you research yourself you'd know there's a massive spam issue long before this campaign and there will be one long after. I'm not asking anyone to do anything and I'm simply providing a place for people to report any campaign spammer if they choose. People try to do it in random places across the forum already so it only makes sense to provide 1 place for people to post.

Signature spam has always been a problem here but passing off the blame doesn't excuse you from your responsibility. Yobit was the worst campaign this forum had seen for quite some time and they were dealt with by the first forum signature ban because of the mess they were causing. Yours is the worse now they're gone. It's honestly been embarrassing even having a Stake signature and I'm glad my deal expires next week because wearing a Stake sig has become like a badge of shame much like it was with Yobit. Maybe your goal was achieved as Stake have certainly got their name out there in the cheapest possible way but they did it in an unsavoury way that left a bad taste in many mouths.

Sure some people made low quality posts but it's the minority of members and people are taking out years of frustration towards Bitcointalk on a single campaign that's not even that old. I feel like the Stake campaign is turning into an antispam awareness movement. I don't mind taking the beating if it leads to a greater outcome in the end.

I would disagree with this and I think you've got it the wrong way around. Most people bearing a Stake sig seemed to be spammers and I saw very few making worthwhile contributions so the quality posters must have been the minority. Maybe there was some and I didn't see them or maybe the spammers just dwarfed the everyone else but the spam coming from this campaign was ridiculous. As a mod I probably see it the most and it wasn't uncommon just to see post after post of lazy generic replies from Stake spammers page after page. Great for Stake as their adverts are everywhere but not so great for everyone else who has to read it.

As I've said multiple times before signature campaigns could actually help to clean up the forum but only if they do their job well and don't pay for spam. If a campaign accepts anyone and everyone then it's going to be abused and become the next Yobit. If campaign managers only accepted worthwhile contributors then spam would clear up overnight, but it won't when campaigns keep having little to no standards.

Someone from Bitcointalk's Staff / Moderators or Global Moderators doing a lousy work deleting my posts on both Primedice and Stake Official topics.
Just because i have my signature as the one from the campaign doesn't mean i am posting for the campaign.

I was also requested by Edward to post twice per day, so if you do not have any sort of knowledge whatsoever on why I am advertising both Primedice and Stake as i am the Official Brand Manager you could just ask or even check Signature's Campaign old sheet where you would see i have 0 post counts and i am not even getting paid for the campaign at first place since i was the one who said Steve to not count them at all.

Video containing all 9 deleted Primedice / Stake's advertising posts just because someone felt like it was considered spam: https://imgur.com/a/nW2EZPU

This has nothing to do with the Stake campaign and I didn't remove them, but you've essentially inadvertently told everyone you're being paid to bump the thread multiple times a day, which is against the rules and that's exactly what someone has reported them for. Threads should only be bumped once per 24 hours and you can't have multiple company members bumping threads as it's seen as bump spam.

By the way those posts were like 1 week ago as who would care on deleting such since they make Bitcointalk forum active?

Someone reported them and a mod acted on them.

We get it you are Chipmixer OP - Therefore you have a reason to strongly suggest the mods to ruin the competition and everything else above all.

I don't see how Chipmixer are competition to Stake. Both are completely different sites and it doesn't matter to Chipmixer whether there are hundreds of other campaigns or not, especially when they pay less than them. The only potential conflict of interest I see here would be if Darkstar was actively gunning for the Stake campaign manager job.

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June 12, 2019, 04:26:47 PM
Last edit: June 12, 2019, 04:52:43 PM by Symphonized
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Someone from Bitcointalk's Staff / Moderators or Global Moderators doing a lousy work deleting my posts on both Primedice and Stake Official topics.
Just because i have my signature as the one from the campaign doesn't mean i am posting for the campaign.

I was also requested by Edward to post twice per day, so if you do not have any sort of knowledge whatsoever on why I am advertising both Primedice and Stake as i am the Official Brand Manager you could just ask or even check Signature's Campaign old sheet where you would see i have 0 post counts and i am not even getting paid for the campaign at first place since i was the one who said Steve to not count them at all.

Video containing all 9 deleted Primedice / Stake's advertising posts just because someone felt like it was considered spam: https://imgur.com/a/nW2EZPU

This has nothing to do with the Stake campaign and I didn't remove them, but you've essentially inadvertently told everyone you're being paid to bump the thread multiple times a day, which is against the rules and that's exactly what someone has reported them for. Threads should only be bumped once per 24 hours and you can't have multiple company members bumping threads as it's seen as bump spam.

By the way those posts were like 1 week ago as who would care on deleting such since they make Bitcointalk forum active?

Someone reported them and a mod acted on them.


I have to post twice a day if there informations to provide to users, don't make my statements your own words for your accusations
Also my deleted messages were essentialy replies and informations after some Users replied so no i wasn't even bumping the topic or updating on the deleted messages Smiley

Or is there any new rule saying we can't reply some specific time multiple times after some other user posted something?

Oh you are saying a company member is not allowed for multiple bumps if it's seen as bump spam? Where is that rule? And no it wasn't even spam you can just check them yourself.
I wonder if you consider quote and replies as spam as you have stated. Those are seriously wrong actions on a forum and we would all be sad to hear it.

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June 12, 2019, 04:58:07 PM
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I have to post twice a day if there informations to provide to users, don't make my statements your own words for your accusations

You have to follow the rules first and foremost. I just reported this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg51424500#msg51424500

Clearly a multi-bump within 24h and clearly shows you're lying that you're just replying to other users etc.

If your employers are requiring you to break the rules then perhaps mods should consider a tempban and/or locking the threads since this spam is starting to seem quite intentional and malicious.
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June 12, 2019, 05:06:47 PM
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I have to post twice a day if there informations to provide to users, don't make my statements your own words for your accusations

You have to follow the rules first and foremost. I just reported this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg51424500#msg51424500

Clearly a multi-bump within 24h and clearly shows you're lying that you're just replying to other users etc.

If your employers are requiring you to break the rules then perhaps mods should consider a tempban and/or locking the threads since this spam is starting to seem quite intentional and malicious.

Then nobody should reply more than once on a topic. Even if it is a non company user Smiley
Both you the global mod saying that if we are company users we should not make these sort of bumps, so that means if i am not a company user i am allowed after some other user posts something?

Check normal users replies then and you will be stunned of so many users Primedice and Stake provide such informations without being company users. Then following that all replies should be removed.

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June 12, 2019, 05:12:08 PM
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You are missing that those are replies to users. And replies on the Topic when everyone is allowed to post since it's a free Forum.
Bumping / Updating per 24 hours are considered for OPs and not users. Since i am not the owner* and i can free speech my own opinion on the Topic those are considered normal replies.

Hey Symphonized, none of this would be an issue if you provided a source for the rule that you have stated.

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Then nobody should reply more than once on a topic. Even if it is a non company user Smiley
Both you the global mod saying that if we are company users we should not make these sort of bumps, so that means if i am not a company user i am allowed after some other user posts something?

Check normal users replies then and you will be stunned of so many users Primedice and Stake provide such informations without being company users. Then following that all replies should be removed.

I have no idea what you're babbling about. User "Symphonized" posted twice in a row within 24h in the same thread. There are no other posts in between. User "Symphonized" should have edited their last post instead. It's as simple as that.
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You are missing that those are replies to users. And replies on the Topic when everyone is allowed to post since it's a free Forum.
Bumping / Updating per 24 hours are considered for OPs and not users. Since i am not the owner* and i can free speech my own opinion on the Topic those are considered normal replies.

Hey Symphonized, none of this would be an issue if you provided a source for the rule that you have stated.
Just shut up your mouth both stevestake and Symphonized just do your job!  All DT saying here is all true and have strong evidence against to your campaign! 🖕
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June 12, 2019, 05:26:16 PM
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You are missing that those are replies to users. And replies on the Topic when everyone is allowed to post since it's a free Forum.
Bumping / Updating per 24 hours are considered for OPs and not users. Since i am not the owner* and i can free speech my own opinion on the Topic those are considered normal replies.

Hey Symphonized, none of this would be an issue if you provided a source for the rule that you have stated.

Then nobody should reply more than once on a topic. Even if it is a non company user Smiley
Both you the global mod saying that if we are company users we should not make these sort of bumps, so that means if i am not a company user i am allowed after some other user posts something?

Check normal users replies then and you will be stunned of so many users Primedice and Stake provide such informations without being company users. Then following that all replies should be removed.

I have no idea what you're babbling about. User "Symphonized" posted twice in a row within 24h in the same thread. There are no other posts in between. User "Symphonized" should have edited their last post instead. It's as simple as that.

Well you are both wrong and you know why? Because my deleted posts HAPPENED when i was with Signature Campaign personal text message (telegram). Did you know that? Well you don't.. Now you do Roll Eyes
Nobody knew i was a Brand Manager till yesterday after changing my personal text message.
So let me ask again: what were the reasons for my deleted posts? Or the reasonable explanations as excuses to clarify such wrong deletions?

Why was this even deleted since nobody saw that i have posted as a company user for example? (And remaining 8 )


You should basically moderate everything and delete every post from Bitcointalk then if you consider those off rules.

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June 12, 2019, 05:40:43 PM
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Nobody knew i was a Brand Manager till yesterday after changing my personal text message.

Doesn't matter. Rules 13, 21, and 32 don't allow the same user to post twice in a row in the same thread within 24h.

If multiple accounts are used for bumping, mods can probably interpret the rule to treat all those accounts as a single user, and "nobody knew" is not a valid excuse - if anything it makes it worse (covert shill bumping).
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June 12, 2019, 06:06:05 PM
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I have to post twice a day if there informations to provide to users, don't make my statements your own words for your accusations
Also my deleted messages were essentialy replies and informations after some Users replied so no i wasn't even bumping the topic or updating on most of the deleted messages Smiley

I'm not twisting anything. What you said is plain for all to see. It doesn't matter if there is 'new information'. If it's within 24 hours then edit the previous post or the op. If we didn't have bumping rules certain businesses would just spam their thread 24/7 or multiple times a day to give them an advantage over others. The bumping rules are there to make it fair to all otherwise unscrupulous business would just dwarf the competition.

Well you are both wrong and you know why? Because my deleted posts HAPPENED when i was with Signature Campaign personal text message (telegram). Did you know that? Well you don't.. Now you do Roll Eyes
Nobody knew i was a Brand Manager till yesterday after changing my personal text message.
So let me ask again: what were the reasons for my deleted posts? Or the reasonable explanations as excuses to clarify such wrong deletions?

It looks like the person who reported them probably just worked it out. Doesn't take a rocket scientist looking at your post history. They were reported along the lines of the posts being an excessive bump due to you likely being a representative of stake, along with a few other off topic posts (so take that into consideration also).

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June 12, 2019, 06:10:10 PM
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I have to post twice a day if there informations to provide to users, don't make my statements your own words for your accusations
Also my deleted messages were essentialy replies and informations after some Users replied so no i wasn't even bumping the topic or updating on most of the deleted messages Smiley

I'm not twisting anything. What you said is plain for all to see. It doesn't matter if there is 'new information'. If it's within 24 hours then edit the previous post or the op. If we didn't have bumping rules certain businesses would just spam their thread 24/7 or multiple times a day to give them an advantage over others. The bumping rules are there to make it fair to all otherwise unscrupulous business would just dwarf the competition.

Well you are both wrong and you know why? Because my deleted posts HAPPENED when i was with Signature Campaign personal text message (telegram). Did you know that? Well you don't.. Now you do Roll Eyes
Nobody knew i was a Brand Manager till yesterday after changing my personal text message.
So let me ask again: what were the reasons for my deleted posts? Or the reasonable explanations as excuses to clarify such wrong deletions?

It looks like the person who reported them probably just worked it out. Doesn't take a rocket scientist looking at your post history. They were reported along the lines of the posts being an excessive bump due to you likely being a representative of stake, along with a few other off topic posts (so take that into consideration also).

Ok thank you for the clarification so far. Anyway i would like to suggest some update if possible on the reports system.
Is it possible that the report provides a more concrete reason for the deletion rather than "considered off topic or any other reason" where the reason could be specified to provide more detail on why the deletion happened and not repeat it again?

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June 12, 2019, 06:15:51 PM
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Ok thank you for the clarification so far. Anyway i would like to suggest some update if possible on the reports system.
Is it possible that the report provides a more concrete reason for the deletion rather than "considered off topic or any other reason" where the reason could be specified to provide more detail on why the deletion happened and not repeat it again?

Only theymos can implement something like that, but I agree it would be helpful and I and others have requested/suggested it before. A drop down menu with some of the common reasons posts are removed would be helpful, and/or a comment box so a mod can state the specific reason if it needs further clarification.

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June 13, 2019, 12:31:45 AM
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Just shut up your mouth both stevestake and Symphonized just do your job!  All DT saying here is all true and have strong evidence against to your campaign! 🖕

Don't worry about the campaign anymore, idk who you're an alt of but odds are you're one of the people ruining things for everyone and you're probably about to get kicked out

I'm putting a Bitcoin bounty on this guy for anyone who can provide evidence of who he's an alt of so I can be 100% sure he gets kicked out

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June 13, 2019, 12:47:51 AM
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Just shut up your mouth both stevestake and Symphonized just do your job!  All DT saying here is all true and have strong evidence against to your campaign! 🖕

Don't worry about the campaign anymore, idk who you're an alt of but odds are you're one of the people ruining things for everyone and you're probably about to get kicked out

I'm putting a Bitcoin bounty on this guy for anyone who can provide evidence of who he's an alt of so I can be 100% sure he gets kicked out
Oh really you do not need to do that I leave your campaign last few weeks ago because your rate is decreament. 
Just keep your bitcoin to your pocket or it will better if you adding your bitcoin bounty to stake campaign to increament payrate 🤟
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June 13, 2019, 12:57:53 AM
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Just shut up your mouth both stevestake and Symphonized just do your job!  All DT saying here is all true and have strong evidence against to your campaign! 🖕

Don't worry about the campaign anymore, idk who you're an alt of but odds are you're one of the people ruining things for everyone and you're probably about to get kicked out

I'm putting a Bitcoin bounty on this guy for anyone who can provide evidence of who he's an alt of so I can be 100% sure he gets kicked out
You are putting a bounty on finding out who your critics are?
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If you have anyone else you want kicked out let me know because I'm removing people right now since the week just ended

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June 13, 2019, 01:05:50 AM
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If you have anyone else you want kicked out let me know because I'm removing people right now since the week just ended
Realistically, you shouldn't even be restricted to only removing people after a week ends.

Since you have this requirement: "Constructive posts only (no spamming)" any rule-breakers shouldn't be paid for their shitposts. Don't reward spamming. Roll Eyes

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June 13, 2019, 01:24:46 AM
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Since you have this requirement: "Constructive posts only (no spamming)" any rule-breakers shouldn't be paid for their shitposts. Don't reward spamming. Roll Eyes

I'm just going to pay the last week and let people go on their way peacefully without spam disputes

Also, I did ask to join your campaign, which you ignored...

...I don't see any evidence of you rejecting anyone who applied.

It's not my fault you had over -8000 trust when you tried to apply. You're spending far too much time being upset over getting rejected from the campaign and I knew you were wasting my time when you tried to claim over 40% of the campaign has 1-2 merits. Sorry but I'm not interested in responding to you anymore unless you have something constructive to say or at least semi truthful.


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