Report a Signature Campaign Spammer!

[pushups44]

Okay I just want to point out involving merits into a a signature campaign won't work out. All that will do is encourage merit abuse and then everyone will say, "Oh look at that SteveStake now and his merit abuse! This merit abuse is clearly because the wages are too low!"

I tried to involve merit into the campaign in the past and I consider it the biggest failure in the entire campaign. I held a contest and the people who earned the most merit for the week would split a few hundred dollars in prizes. I say it was the biggest failure because I had to kick so many people out for merit abuse and people were breaking rules and begging for merit. Merit is abused heavily already without someone else giving incentive to "earn" it. If I add in merit rules to the contest we can guarantee a SteveStake is encouraging merit abuse thread.

I will stand by this no matter how unpopular: merit abuse is a problem, not just in terms of fraudulent handing out of merits but also in the circle of merit-issuance among regulars. A lot of the merits are handed out to those who have already amassed a bunch of merits. I would even go as far as to say that some members of high rank are getting merits for low quality posts, just because... it seems the norm in the forum to send merits to people who have already accumulated them. I suppose the problem here is the politicization of merits.

If people have a fit over this, so be it. I know it's not popular to bring this up.

[bones261]

Okay I just want to point out involving merits into a a signature campaign won't work out. All that will do is encourage merit abuse and then everyone will say, "Oh look at that SteveStake now and his merit abuse! This merit abuse is clearly because the wages are too low!"

    It appears that the fact that the wages are too low is the crux of the problem. You get what you pay for. Although stake.com is getting their ad splattered all over the forum in great quantity, you really think it's giving them a good reputation around here? Frustrating readers with a bunch of shit posts probably is going to make more people stay away than actually click on the link and become a new customer.

[SteveStake]

There have been thousands of campaigns held at this Forum but not like your campaign

I take this as a compliment man, after all it is titled "A New Kind of Campaign" When I saw all of these campaigns it didn't take long for me to realise it could be done better and cheaper and that's what made me one of the most successful campaign managers on Bitcointalk.


What even is spam? (not aimed at anyone specifically)

It's not even fair to call people who are trying their hardest to make posts a spammer. A spammer is someone who intentionally makes low quality posts over and over again. I've seen people go as far to say if you're from a certain country you're automatically a shit poster and that's just not fair at all. I've seen many people here make racists remarks towards members of this community simply because things like English isn't their first language and say that means they shouldn't be allowed to be here. Everyone deserves equality and a fair chance regardless of if you're a 0 merit newbie with English as a second language or a 3000+ merit Legendary with English as a first language. We should be more focused on treating each other as human beings and not treating each other based on a merit system full of abuse. I had a surgery earlier in the year and my surgeon didn't speak great English when we talked. Does this mean I should have dismissed his opinions and looked at him as someone who wasn't credible?

I'm not saying people should be full out responding in other languages. I'm saying a lot of what makes someone considered a "spammer" are grammer errors smaller than the one you were so eager to point out just now.

[Hhampuz]

I won't cast stones from my glass house as I am very much aware of some of my campaigns having some lower quality posters in them. However, Steve, you seem reluctant to acknowledge the issue or make any changes that would benefit the forum overall. But then again I can't blame you. I think all that you've done has been very aware. While I disagree that the spam issue would give stake a bad name I believe it to be the opposite.. The more the name is seen, the more it is getting inside other users heads and even if someone gets pissed they might visit the site and then see that they actually enjoy it.

I tip my fedora to you Steve, it takes balls to put on this act and if you follow through with it (which it very much looks like you will), you'll probably stand to gain more than you'd ever lose.

Question, do you do anything else at Stake or do you only handle the campaign related things?

[pushups44]

There have been thousands of campaigns held at this Forum but not like your campaign

I take this as a compliment man, after all it is titled "A New Kind of Campaign" When I saw all of these campaigns it didn't take long for me to realise it could be done better and cheaper and that's what made me one of the most successful campaign managers on Bitcointalk.


What even is spam? (not aimed at anyone specifically)

It's not even fair to call people who are trying their hardest to make posts a spammer. A spammer is someone who intentionally makes low quality posts over and over again. I've seen people go as far to say if you're from a certain country you're automatically a shit poster and that's just not fair at all. I've seen many people here make racists remarks towards members of this community simply because things like English isn't their first language and say that means they shouldn't be allowed to be here. Everyone deserves equality and a fair chance regardless of if you're a 0 merit newbie with English as a second language or a 3000+ merit Legendary with English as a first language. We should be more focused on treating each other as human beings and not treating each other based on a merit system full of abuse. I had a surgery earlier in the year and my surgeon didn't speak great English when we talked. Does this mean I should have dismissed his opinions and looked at him as someone who wasn't credible?

I'm not saying people should be full out responding in other languages. I'm saying a lot of what makes someone considered a "spammer" are grammer errors smaller than the one you were so eager to point out just now.

The politicization of merits, which I'd argue is a type of merit abuse, encourages a form of spamming by high-ranked members. It encourages some members to be hostile to others who are disliked or less popular, and to continue low-quality posts. It also reinforces the cycle of handing out merits to people who have already accumulated merits.

My aim, though, is not to call anyone out or antagonize. I am just pointing to a real problem preventing newer members from rising through the ranks.

[suchmoon]

Okay I just want to point out involving merits into a a signature campaign won't work out. All that will do is encourage merit abuse and then everyone will say, "Oh look at that SteveStake now and his merit abuse! This merit abuse is clearly because the wages are too low!"

Of course it won't work if you rely entirely on the merit requirement, like you seem to rely on ranks here:

I assumed anyone who was capable of achieving a rank such as Senior member or higher without being banned was credible enough to be given a chance.

Merit is not a solution, it's one of the tools you can use to filter the pool of candidates to a manageable set. You still need to... you know... manage the campaign, including your obligation to the forum to not encourage low effort spammy posts. If that involves paying more and/or limiting max number of posts and/or kicking out low quality posters - that's what you gotta do.

Your lazy arrogance is almost like a work of art, well done.

[DarkStar_]

What even is spam? (not aimed at anyone specifically)

I'd like to hear your opinion of why you would consider this post among the high quality non-spammy posts that your campaign members are making. We may have different thoughts on spam, so I'd love to hear your point of view. This post was written by lyks15, a user's who's posts that aren't spam in your perspective, as you are content with paying them for this post:

I think this is not a good idea. Because when we do some promotion about gambling there are so many people that against about crypto will have a chance to hate and bash crypto more because it is connected to gambling and it may affect about crypto price and demand. But if there is something advestisement who can explain well about game or gambling I think this is possible.

This is post #167 in the thread What do you think about the gambling site's having a promotion? that is now locked almost certainly due to becoming a spam megathread. This was the original thread, posted a bit over a month before lyks15's high quality non-spam response:

Hello guys,

What do you guys think about the gambling site's promotion? Does the promotion of the site help you playing their games?
What would be the best that the site had to implement in their site like loss back where you'll get a percentage of the money you lose after playing or receiving percentage of your money that you bet?

Share your thoughts about the gambling sites where they have those kind of system that the gamblers can benefit from it.

Anyway, I am not planning to have a gambling site where I just want to find a gambling site where you can benefit from their site even if it just small but it can help the gambling site and more players will come to play and the gambling site's traffic would also increase.

My question to you: What do you see in the post that makes you think that it is not spam? What value does it add, what is the point of the post and/or what makes it interesting? Keep in mind that 166 posts were written before it.

I'd love to hear your rationale. Thanks in advance.

[Symphonized]

Someone from Bitcointalk's Staff / Moderators or Global Moderators doing a lousy work deleting my posts on both Primedice and Stake Official topics.
Just because i have my signature as the one from the campaign doesn't mean i am posting for the campaign.

I was also requested by Edward to post twice per day, so if you do not have any sort of knowledge whatsoever on why I am advertising both Primedice and Stake as i am the Official Brand Manager you could just ask or even check Signature's Campaign old sheet where you would see i have 0 post counts and i am not even getting paid for the campaign at first place since i was the one who said Steve to not count them at all.

Video containing all 9 deleted Primedice / Stake's advertising posts just because someone felt like it was considered spam: https://imgur.com/a/nW2EZPU

[2girls]

What even is spam? (not aimed at anyone specifically)

I'd like to hear your opinion of why you would consider this post among the high quality non-spammy posts that your campaign members are making. We may have different thoughts on spam, so I'd love to hear your point of view. This post was written by lyks15, a user's who's posts that aren't spam in your perspective, as you are content with paying them for this post:

I think this is not a good idea. Because when we do some promotion about gambling there are so many people that against about crypto will have a chance to hate and bash crypto more because it is connected to gambling and it may affect about crypto price and demand. But if there is something advestisement who can explain well about game or gambling I think this is possible.

This is post #167 in the thread What do you think about the gambling site's having a promotion? that is now locked almost certainly due to becoming a spam megathread. This was the original thread, posted a bit over a month before lyks15's high quality non-spam response:

Hello guys,

What do you guys think about the gambling site's promotion? Does the promotion of the site help you playing their games?
What would be the best that the site had to implement in their site like loss back where you'll get a percentage of the money you lose after playing or receiving percentage of your money that you bet?

Share your thoughts about the gambling sites where they have those kind of system that the gamblers can benefit from it.

Anyway, I am not planning to have a gambling site where I just want to find a gambling site where you can benefit from their site even if it just small but it can help the gambling site and more players will come to play and the gambling site's traffic would also increase.

My question to you: What do you see in the post that makes you think that it is not spam? What value does it add, what is the point of the post and/or what makes it interesting? Keep in mind that 166 posts were written before it.

I'd love to hear your rationale. Thanks in advance.

I agree that the mentioned post is a spam but that thread contains 186 posts . Now i need your clarification whether  a) Remaining 185 posts are not spammy ones ? (Are all of them are good ones)
b) Or you people focus is only on stake signature posts and close your eyes on other posst with or without signatures.

Its seems the the agenda is to ban the stake campaign or change the manager  ( And not the fight against spam) ?

[DarkStar_]

I was also requested by Edward to post twice per day

You are very clearly breaking the forum rules:

13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]

This isn't related to Stake's spam issue, this is just you choosing not to follow the rules and thus getting posts deleted because of it. Other sites like Betcoin have had posts deleted for the same thing.

I agree that the mentioned post is a spam but that thread contains 186 posts . Now i need your clarification whether  a) Remaining 185 posts are not spammy ones ? (Are all of them are good ones)
b) Or you people focus is only on stake signature posts and close your eyes on other posst with or without signatures.

Its seems the the agenda is to ban the stake campaign or change the manager  ( And not the fight against spam) ?

No, there is plenty of spam there. The whole thread barring the first maybe 3-4 pages should be deleted. Here's my page of reports against someone in the BitVest campaign. Here's a page against someone in the Veil campaign (whatever that is). Maybe 75% of a page against someone in LiveCoin. There is a lot of Stake in my reports as they're spamming the normal Gambling section that I kinda care about but others are being reported as well for the same reason.

I  have been a professional writer and use propper grammar and spelling, and make sure my posts have substance, and I rarely get merit. Right now I am interacting with the thread and am not just posting to post.

Mods seem to disagree for some of your posts. (and ironically, you spelt proper incorrectly)

[Symphonized]

I was also requested by Edward to post twice per day

You are very clearly breaking the forum rules:

13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]

This isn't related to Stake's spam issue, this is just you choosing not to follow the rules and thus getting posts deleted because of it. Other sites like Betcoin have had posts deleted for the same thing.

You do really look for a way to prove justifying your statements using Bitcointalk's rules, FAQs and everything else don't you?
Where are you seeing me bumping / updating the topic on those deleted messages?

You are missing that those are replies to users. And replies on the Topic when everyone is allowed to post since it's a free Forum.
Bumping / Updating per 24 hours are considered for OPs and not users. Since i am not the owner* and i can free speech my own opinion on the Topic those are considered normal replies.

You can even see others posting other informations.
So what you are saying is that if someone uses his ALT account to:

- ALT POSTS
- I POST
- ALT POSTS again

Are not considered bumping. That's so nice of you to look into deeply into the topic's situation. You do seem worried about justfying Stake's Primedice's actions so much that you have to dig up rules from the forum to justify your statements again.

By the way those posts were like 1 week ago as who would care on deleting such since they make Bitcointalk forum active?

We get it you are Chipmixer OP - Therefore you have a reason to strongly suggest the mods to ruin the competition and everything else above all.

[DarkStar_]

You do really have a way to prove justifying your statements using Bitcointalk's rules, FAQs and everything else don't you?
Where are you seeing me bumping / updating the topic on those deleted messages?

You are missing that those are replies to users. And replies on the Topic when everyone is allowed to post since it's a free Forum.
Bumping / Updating per 24 hours are considered for OPs and not users. Since i am not the owner* and i can free speech my own opinion on the Topic those are considered normal replies.

Just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly: You believe that a site owner can hire a community manager who is then allowed to bump the thread every 5 minutes to ensure it stays at the top? They aren't the OP, so it very clearly[1] does not apply. Also, what so bad about using the forum rules to help enforce forum rules? I feel like you're trying to attach a negative connotation but I'm not seeing how I'm supposed to feel attacked.

How many normal users post a reminder that you can find the bet archive? How many normal users call themselves the Stake Brand Manager?

[1] - Source? I can't find anything about this condition but you seem to believe in it to the fullest extent.

So what you are saying is that if someone uses his ALT account to:

- ALT POSTS
- I POST
- ALT POSTS again

Are not considered bumping.

Mods have locked many Altcoin ANNs for this exact scenario. Here is one example.

By the way those posts were like 1 week ago as who would care on deleting such since they make Bitcointalk forum active?

We get it you are Chipmixer OP - Therefore you have a reason to strongly suggest the mods to ruin the competition and everything else above all.

Someone reported them. (not me) Take it up with the mods if you wish. Also, please provide proof that ChipMixer = DarkStar_ rather than making baseless claims. I have no influence over the actions of moderators and simply use the report system as it was intended.

Arguing with me is not going to help. PM theymos directly if you wish to complain about his moderators incorrectly enforcing rules or start a Meta thread about mod abuse.

[Symphonized]

....

Too bad Bitcointalk has so many rules which are not beeing followed 24/7 100% to everyone right?

When the post is deleted it should have a concrete evidence on why it was deleted and not the "other reasons" because now you speculate they were deleted because it was considered a BUMP / UPDATE (to you just because i said i post twice). What a dam coincidence for them to be deleted Yesterday right?

And another thing: If you do think rules should be followed 100% then every campaign should just be erased of the Forum including yours since they incentivate people posting just for the profit which can still be considered as intended SPAM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_spam:
Forum spam consists of posts on Internet forums that contains related or unrelated advertisements, links to malicious websites, trolling and abusive or otherwise unwanted information. Forum spam is usually posted onto message boards by automated spambots or manually with unscrupulous intentions with one idea in mind: to get the spam in front of readers who would not otherwise have anything to do with it intentionally.

So basically yeah you also have spam on everything.

PS: I have the obligation to answer everyone and provide such feedback to the users who seek for information on the topic.

[2girls]

You do really have a way to prove justifying your statements using Bitcointalk's rules, FAQs and everything else don't you?
Where are you seeing me bumping / updating the topic on those deleted messages?

You are missing that those are replies to users. And replies on the Topic when everyone is allowed to post since it's a free Forum.
Bumping / Updating per 24 hours are considered for OPs and not users. Since i am not the owner* and i can free speech my own opinion on the Topic those are considered normal replies.

Just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly: You believe that a site owner can hire a community manager who is then allowed to bump the thread every 5 minutes to ensure it stays at the top? They aren't the OP, so it very clearly[1] does not apply. Also, what so bad about using the forum rules to help enforce forum rules? I feel like you're trying to attach a negative connotation but I'm not seeing how I'm supposed to feel attacked.

Does it means that a single person can post in a ANN thread once every 24 hours ? ( Even if he is not a OP, Manager, user with or without any signature)

[DarkStar_]

And another thing: If you do think rules should be followed 100% then every campaign should just be erased of the Forum including yours since they incentivate people posting just for the profit which can still be considered as intended SPAM.

If theymos feels that all campaigns create spam, then I would hope that he takes action against all campaigns sooner or later. I would also highly recommend that you begin reporting the posts of ChipMixer campaigners, as you believe they are spamming. Attack ChipMixer's campaign where it hurts, and make sure that ChipMixer is given a signature ban.

Ignoring that, I have a fun fact for you: There's no rules against spam (only ref spam).

PS: I have the obligation to answer everyone and provide such feedback to the users who seek for information on the topic.

Moderators have the obligation to deleted posts that break the rules. There's no point in arguing with me - I strongly encourage you to create a thread in Meta about how moderators are abusing their power in the Stake thread if you believe that they were unfairly deleted.

Does it means that a single person can post in a ANN thread once every 24 hours ? ( Even if he is not a OP, Manager, user with or without any signature)

No, legitimate discussions are allowed. Symphonized's title is "Official Primedice's / Stake's Brand Manager" so I'm guessing mods count them as updates.

[Symphonized]

No, legitimate discussions are allowed. Symphonized's title is "Official Primedice's / Stake's Brand Manager" so I'm guessing mods count them as updates.

Or someone reported just because of the signature and they just "hell press delete immediatly"

I would be just glad on the concrete delete reason that's all. I asumed it was due to my signature.

Will still give a PM on theymos to verify what where the reasons about the deletions (if in fact due to being considered as BUMP / UPDATE) or something else.

[DarkStar_]

No, legitimate discussions are allowed. Symphonized's title is "Official Primedice's / Stake's Brand Manager" so I'm guessing mods count them as updates.

Or someone reported just because of the signature and they just "hell press delete immediatly"

I have about 100 unhandled reports in queue since yesterday. I would say maybe 33% of the users have Stake signatures. If mods are deleting solely based on having a Stake signature, someone should tell them to hurry up and delete that 33%

Someone should also create a thread in Meta and PM theymos about how moderators are abusing their permission to try to earn more money by deleting posts without properly checking them.

Once more, arguing with me about the moderators actions is pointless. Make a thread about the mod abuse that you strongly believe in with the claims that you have the strongest evidence to back up. Still waiting on a source for "the bump rule only applies to the OP of the thread" by the way. If you find it, then I apologise in advance for incorrectly interpreting the forum rules and unintentionally misleading you.

[2girls]

Attack ChipMixer's campaign where it hurts, and make sure that ChipMixer is given a signature ban.

Attacking a ChipMixer campaign is like putting your hand in the fire  

PM theymos about how moderators are abusing their permission to try to earn more money by deleting posts without properly checking them.

Do Mod earn by deleting the posts ?    That's a new thing for me

[DarkStar_]

Attack ChipMixer's campaign where it hurts, and make sure that ChipMixer is given a signature ban.

Attacking a ChipMixer campaign is like putting your hand in the fire 

PM theymos about how moderators are abusing their permission to try to earn more money by deleting posts without properly checking them.

Do Mod earn by deleting the thread ?    That's a new thing for me

Use the forum report system if you feel that way. I don't think mods reveal who is behind what reports, so no one will attack you. You could also make a new alt account if you feel retaliation. Do note that I will happily listen to reports against specific users via PM and will award a small bounty to those who's actions of reporting a user directly leads to them being removed. PM me via an alt if you wish. I'm sorry you feel that way against the campaign, but I don't believe neither ChipMixer or I have 'attacked' anyone for speaking negative things against the campaign. IIRC I haven't left negative trust feedback to those that have spoken against me either, unlike some of the other people you dislike.

I might be remembering incorrectly but I believe mods are paid for the number of moderator actions they do or something along those lines. I'll try to find it tomorrow if I don't forget; heading to sleep now.

[subSTRATA]

I might be remembering incorrectly but I believe mods are paid for the number of moderator actions they do or something along those lines. I'll try to find it tomorrow if I don't forget; heading to sleep now.

don't quite remember where it was posted but i believe theymos has said the mods are distributed a small amount from the forum ad auctions according to how many boards they manage / how many reports they handle.