Trust flags

[Hueristic]

reasonable doubt to doubt my statement

None whatsoever for me, I recall you being part of Cryptsy scam discussions back in the day, so it would have been a mighty long con for you to stage it in the anticipation of this flag system just so that you could stick it to Big Vern's long dead account...

But we also have the [in]famous PM where a user was recommended to be excluded due to lying about being a victim.

It would help to know where the "lying" line is. What happens if someone says you (or I or whoever) lied about losing some dust in some shitcoin exchange.

A more recent example: I lost $20 or $30 in Bittrex due to them blatantly disregarding their own rules of allowing non-KYC withdrawals up to a certain amount. Unlike Cryptsy they're still alive. To me it's a clear-cut violation of a written contract. I don't know if I can put a red flag on them though.

I have a similar issue with poloniex for 10 XMR but I don't think they even have an account here.

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[TryNinja]

I have a similar issue with poloniex for 10 XMR but I don't think they even have an account here.

Apparently they do. This is Poloniex's owner: busoni

He already has 2 *old trust* tags from Lauda and Zepher from 2017. Maybe someone should "update it" with a flag.

[Anduck]

Apparently they do. This is Poloniex's owner: busoni

For what it's worth, I think Poloniex is currently owned by Circle.

[btcsmlcmnr]

For what it's worth, I think Poloniex is currently owned by Circle.

It is likely reflected on the last active day of busoni, 22th Feb 2018. I don't check back history when Circle took over Poloniex, but maybe around that time.
How long have your issues with Poloniex (with your 10 XMR) lasted? Recent months (after Circle-take-over), their supports have been fast, so I think if you sent support tickets, your issues will be solved, after all.

I have a similar issue with poloniex for 10 XMR but I don't think they even have an account here.

[TryNinja]

For what it's worth, I think Poloniex is currently owned by Circle.

True, but apparently he is still part of the company (possible still as the CEO) - at least according to his Linkedin profile[1].

Founder and Ceo
Poloniex, LLC
jan 2014 – moment
5 years 6 months

I can't say how accurate that is tho.

[1] https://www.linkedin.com/in/tristan-d-agosta-0a4529172/

[malevolent]

How much proof of "victimhood" do we expect?

For example, is this sufficient:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153934.msg51455373#msg51455373

Not trying to put eddie13 on the spot here, just want to know if I can re-flag some old scams (GAW, hashie, etc) where I lost some money but there is no way for me to find TX IDs or any other tangible proof of that.

Looks good enough to me, no one really has to 'prove' anything, an honor affirmation checkbox is sufficient. If others think they're wrong or lying, they can always oppose a given flag, distrust them, and in the worst cases theymos can have them removed from DT (I assume only from DT1).

And I'd definitely flag exchanges engaging in KYC withdrawal denial scams (type-1 flag, type-2 or -3 flag if you were victimized by the exchange).

[Quickseller]

I have a similar issue with poloniex for 10 XMR but I don't think they even have an account here.

Apparently they do. This is Poloniex's owner: busoni

He already has 2 *old trust* tags from Lauda and Zepher from 2017. Maybe someone should "update it" with a flag.

The negative trust by these two seems pretty shady to me. I don't think there was any credible evidence of polo scamming in 2017.

[bones261]

The negative trust by these two seems pretty shady to me. I don't think there was any credible evidence of polo scamming in 2017.

Polo was way behind on their support tickets at the time. They also had taken down their trollbox at the same time. I can see where people were getting leery that another exit scam was looming. Polo has since changed ownership, anyway. So the tags should probably be revised. Unfortunately, Zepher can't revise his.  

[Hueristic]

I have a similar issue with poloniex for 10 XMR but I don't think they even have an account here.

Apparently they do. This is Poloniex's owner: busoni

He already has 2 *old trust* tags from Lauda and Zepher from 2017. Maybe someone should "update it" with a flag.

For what it's worth, I think Poloniex is currently owned by Circle.

It is likely reflected on the last active day of busoni, 22th Feb 2018. I don't check back history when Circle took over Poloniex, but maybe around that time.
How long have your issues with Poloniex (with your 10 XMR) lasted? Recent months (after Circle-take-over), their supports have been fast, so I think if you sent support tickets, your issues will be solved, after all.

I have a similar issue with poloniex for 10 XMR but I don't think they even have an account here.

Yes, this is after Busoni sold, while he was owner I think all he was guilty of was some insider manipulation which no one is proving without the books. All in all I was pretty happy with Polo until Circle acquired them.


We are at a stalemate with them holding my coins as I refuse to do KYC because they will not allow me to do it without agreeing to their "terms and conditions" (which have me agreeing to waive my rights to hold them liable) which I will not do, so my coins are in limbo unless and until I sue them. I tried governmental legal channels to no avail. Goldmann Ballsacks is not going to allow some district attorney to go after one of their subsidiaries. And for such a small amount its not really worth the effort to pursue currently.

[sandy-is-fine]

So how should we doing it with som kind of the " Fake Ann creators " that posting links to there Malware Software in there text ?

In addition to the mentioned type-1/newbie-warning flag you can still report these topics, luring unsuspecting people to run malware is still a bannable offense. And a nuked user has all of their posts removed automatically anyway.

Speaking of trust flags and nuked users, is there a way to get their absurd 200 lines long, abusive (like "I hope your mother burns in hell") fake "untrusted trust" removed?  Maybe a nuked user should have all  left trust removed since they technically no longer exist anyway especially if they are these serial-scammer alts who only had 1 or 2 posts to begin with.   I know "untrusted trust" isn't harmful but it's just annoying.

[Quickseller]

The negative trust by these two seems pretty shady to me. I don't think there was any credible evidence of polo scamming in 2017.

Polo was way behind on their support tickets at the time. They also had taken down their trollbox at the same time. I can see where people were getting leery that another exit scam was looming. Polo has since changed ownership, anyway. So the tags should probably be revised. Unfortunately, Zepher can't revise his. 

Oh yea, I definitely agree, being behind on support tickets is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, no proof beyond any doubt, that the exchange is scamming its users.

[TheNewAnon135246]

The negative trust by these two seems pretty shady to me. I don't think there was any credible evidence of polo scamming in 2017.

Polo was way behind on their support tickets at the time. They also had taken down their trollbox at the same time. I can see where people were getting leery that another exit scam was looming. Polo has since changed ownership, anyway. So the tags should probably be revised. Unfortunately, Zepher can't revise his. 

Oh yea, I definitely agree, being behind on support tickets is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, no proof beyond any doubt, that the exchange is scamming its users.

It's not just about being behind on support tickets. Some people had withdrawals that were pending for months, causing them to lose a lot of money. Poloniex failed to respond to their tickets and never covered any of the damages caused by their lack of service.

[AdolfinWolf]

The negative trust by these two seems pretty shady to me. I don't think there was any credible evidence of polo scamming in 2017.

Polo was way behind on their support tickets at the time. They also had taken down their trollbox at the same time. I can see where people were getting leery that another exit scam was looming. Polo has since changed ownership, anyway. So the tags should probably be revised. Unfortunately, Zepher can't revise his.  

Oh yea, I definitely agree, being behind on support tickets is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, no proof beyond any doubt, that the exchange is scamming its users.

I know for a fact that Poloniex lied to customers about KYC verification, but i’m not sure when exactly that happend anymore.

Read: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/8mizvf/dear_poloniex_you_specifically_said_you_wont_hold/
They cant be held to their word and due to that i find them extremely untrustworthy. Imo they deserve to be tagged for this alone.

Also more recently all the people margin trading lost 16% of their margin funds due to sudden liquidations of a single low-cap shitcoin.

Quick maths shows this is nearly impossible and likely some sort of scam
https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/bxknrf/poloniex_btc_margin_lending_pool_losses/

[TECSHARE]

The negative trust by these two seems pretty shady to me. I don't think there was any credible evidence of polo scamming in 2017.

Polo was way behind on their support tickets at the time. They also had taken down their trollbox at the same time. I can see where people were getting leery that another exit scam was looming. Polo has since changed ownership, anyway. So the tags should probably be revised. Unfortunately, Zepher can't revise his.  

Oh yea, I definitely agree, being behind on support tickets is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, no proof beyond any doubt, that the exchange is scamming its users.

I know for a fact that Poloniex lied to customers about KYC verification, but i’m not sure when exactly that happend anymore.

Read: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/8mizvf/dear_poloniex_you_specifically_said_you_wont_hold/
They cant be held to their word and due to that i find them extremely untrustworthy. Imo they deserve to be tagged for this alone.

Also more recently all the people margin trading lost 16% of their margin funds due to sudden liquidations of a single low-cap shitcoin.

Quick maths shows this is nearly impossible and likely some sort of scam
https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/bxknrf/poloniex_btc_margin_lending_pool_losses/

I can verify both the lies about KYC as well as the margin lending losses. Regarding margin trading, it is a WELL KNOWN tool of market manipulation (read fraud) used to control precious metals prices for example. Also I am very familiar with the Clamcoin market, and it was well known to have a lack of liquidity. This was not an accident it was a setup. This is exactly the type of behavior Cryptsy was exhibiting, in fact point by point. If I remember right Cryptsy didn't have margin trading, but they played similar games with liquidity and other processes. For example they would let people drive up a coin's price then disable the front end so they could scalp the order books via the API which was still active.

[eddie13]

Quick maths shows this is nearly impossible and likely some sort of scam
https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/bxknrf/poloniex_btc_margin_lending_pool_losses/

Wow, I have like 2500 pages of polo lending earnings and even wrote a few times about how to game the polo lending bot, which they have fixed/changed since.. Never have I heard of any losses from polo lending..
He says "some random shitcoin (CLAM) I haven't even heard of". He must not have been around all that long.. Isn't clam coin dooglus's or something related to that casino?

https://medium.com/circle-trader/overview-of-btc-margin-lending-pool-losses-a2f0905aaa56

The losses to the lending pool occurred for several reasons. First, the velocity of the crash and the lack of liquidity in the CLAM market made it impossible for all of the automatic liquidations of CLAM margin positions to process as they normally would in a liquid market. In addition, a significant amount of the total loan value was collateralized in CLAM, so both the borrowers’ positions and their collateral lost most of their value simultaneously. As a result, some borrowers were unable to repay their loans with the digital assets they held on Poloniex.

Sounds like a great way for a clam whale to scam a bunch of BTC off of polo..

Also I am very familiar with the Clamcoin market, and it was well known to have a lack of liquidity. This was not an accident it was a setup. This is exactly the type of behavior Cryptsy was exhibiting, in fact point by point. If I remember right Cryptsy didn't have margin trading, but they played similar games with liquidity and other processes. For example they would let people drive up a coin's price then disable the front end so they could scalp the order books via the API which was still active.

I've traded clams for a long time too, loaned on polo for a long time, and saw cryptsy pull some stuff but more like disable wallets to let a pump run but have never been much into APIs..

If you were a clam whale you could put some clams on polo and use them to borrow a margin position against, use that and all your BTC to pump clam, then dump all your clam and withdraw all the BTC you could immediately.. If you wrecked polo's bot you might make off with some BTC of lenders funds..

You could do this with 2 accounts..
One to deposit clam and use to borrow BTC against and use the btc to pump clam and place huge buy orders on clam.
2nd account to deposit clam and dump onto the pump and to dump onto your other account which is just clams you used to borrow BTC to dump onto..

[LoyceV]

A more recent example: I lost $20 or $30 in Bittrex due to them blatantly disregarding their own rules of allowing non-KYC withdrawals up to a certain amount. Unlike Cryptsy they're still alive. To me it's a clear-cut violation of a written contract. I don't know if I can put a red flag on them though.

As much as I hated them asking KYC, I do recall receiving warnings about lowering withdrawal limits. Then after a while, they suddenly reduced it to 0 until I sent them an angry looking selfie.

How long have your issues with Poloniex (with your 10 XMR) lasted? Recent months (after Circle-take-over), their supports have been fast

I received a response in 8 hours yesterday.

[malevolent]

Speaking of trust flags and nuked users, is there a way to get their absurd 200 lines long, abusive (like "I hope your mother burns in hell") fake "untrusted trust" removed?  Maybe a nuked user should have all  left trust removed since they technically no longer exist anyway especially if they are these serial-scammer alts who only had 1 or 2 posts to begin with.   I know "untrusted trust" isn't harmful but it's just annoying.

Trust ratings aren't moderated, and afaik currently there is no policy of removing ratings of nuked accounts, but if someone is literally spamming you can contact theymos to have the spam removed.

[btcsmlcmnr]

How long have your issues with Poloniex (with your 10 XMR) lasted? Recent months (after Circle-take-over), their supports have been fast

I received a response in 8 hours yesterday.

I think it is acceptable with support tickets. I am not sure about average time of responses of all Poloniex support tickets but I guess the pace has been faster and more acceptable after Circle steps in.
KYC on Poloniex, if I remembered correctly, announced officially and Poloniex users were given weeks to finish their KYCs back in early of 2018. Additionally, it mainly implemented by Poloniex because US government requirements, not solely from Poloniex team. The positive thing with their new KYC verification procedure, after that is all users (including new registered users) don't have to wait for weeks or months to increase their level of daily withdrawal limits to $25,000.

We are at a stalemate with them holding my coins as I refuse to do KYC because they will not allow me to do it without agreeing to their "terms and conditions" (which have me agreeing to waive my rights to hold them liable) which I will not do, so my coins are in limbo unless and until I sue them. I tried governmental legal channels to no avail. Goldmann Ballsacks is not going to allow some district attorney to go after one of their subsidiaries. And for such a small amount its not really worth the effort to pursue currently.

[AdolfinWolf]

How long have your issues with Poloniex (with your 10 XMR) lasted? Recent months (after Circle-take-over), their supports have been fast

I received a response in 8 hours yesterday.

I think it is acceptable with support tickets. I am not sure about average time of responses of all Poloniex support tickets but I guess the pace has been faster and more acceptable after Circle steps in.
KYC on Poloniex, if I remembered correctly, announced officially and Poloniex users were given weeks to finish their KYCs back in early of 2018. Additionally, it mainly implemented by Poloniex because US government requirements, not solely from Poloniex team. The positive thing with their new KYC verification procedure, after that is all users (including new registered users) don't have to wait for weeks or months to increase their level of daily withdrawal limits to $25,000.

We are at a stalemate with them holding my coins as I refuse to do KYC because they will not allow me to do it without agreeing to their "terms and conditions" (which have me agreeing to waive my rights to hold them liable) which I will not do, so my coins are in limbo unless and until I sue them. I tried governmental legal channels to no avail. Goldmann Ballsacks is not going to allow some district attorney to go after one of their subsidiaries. And for such a small amount its not really worth the effort to pursue currently.

Poloniex users were also given the affirmation that after the grace period, you could still withdraw funds. Just not trade.
Poloniex users were also given the affirmation that the grace period would be x amount of time, right until it suddenly was y amount of time (0).

The positive thing about implementing KYC was that every minor, anyone from a 3rd world country no longer had access to their funds, potentially forever.

[N1CKH0LAS]

Speaking of trust flags and nuked users, is there a way to get their absurd 200 lines long, abusive (like "I hope your mother burns in hell") fake "untrusted trust" removed?  Maybe a nuked user should have all  left trust removed since they technically no longer exist anyway especially if they are these serial-scammer alts who only had 1 or 2 posts to begin with.   I know "untrusted trust" isn't harmful but it's just annoying.

Trust ratings aren't moderated, and afaik currently there is no policy of removing ratings of nuked accounts, but if someone is literally spamming you can contact theymos to have the spam removed.

I've posted about it months ago. No admin or moderator even bothered with it. There is this idiot, Buzzlieve1992 who have literally spammed THOUSANDS of negative feedback lines to legit people, yet nothing happened to him, nor was the trade rating spam removed. So I can tell you from personal experience ( with proof ) that nothing will be fixed.