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June 20, 2019, 06:02:25 PM
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Likely traders can make more money than the holder but it depends on the success rate of trader not every trader making more money. And also it depends on the capital you are holding and trading with it, when you are holding $1,000 worth of cryptocurrency you are not going to make much by holding it but when you you are trading with it and you are keep making more and more profit it even can turn into $100,000 but as I said not everyone can do this.

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June 20, 2019, 08:31:56 PM
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That's right, more traders get profits, because every day he tries to sell assets, then play capital again. So if the price of bitcoin falls dramatically, he will not lose.

Sometimes, this business depends on luck. Even a newbie can get an unexpected profit buying some altcoins and then finding out that these alts decided to go to the Moon. When you hold, you must be sure in the chosen crypto.
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June 20, 2019, 08:35:04 PM
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Day trading is way more profitable than holding in my opinion . But holding could be more profitable for Whales.
There are numbers of uncertainty in long-term trading that could ruin your holding— price could fall sharply and remain that way for a long time. But with day trading you could profit from the little daily volatility while moving back your profit and part of your coins to a stablecoin.

You could even split your fund between day trading and holding. The holding part works well on weekly basis or for few days—  buy lots of Bitcoin once it is down and sell once it up. then keep repeating this
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June 20, 2019, 08:54:04 PM
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Provided that you are a professional, yes, you can earn much more than holders, but according to statistics it is the other way around. The reason is that there are very few good traders, working hard, traders can earn a lot in a whole month or a week and then lose 90% of the money earned by making a mistake. Because of this, holders earn more, they make fewer mistakes.
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June 20, 2019, 09:07:50 PM
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people say trading seems to be stressful.  Is it?  I mean, all you are doing is looking at the btc price... it either goes up , down or stays around the same.  Its not like you have to analyze it daily or something... do you agree?  Now let say its altcoins... that would seem like ton of work because you have to research all the coins.  And those coins have high fluctuations no where compared to bitcoin.
I would say that day trading is a stressful venture in any financial market, everyone who invested money in any financial sector will look for profit and not for its novelty, if you are blind trading then the risk is really high and that is the case with day trading and the safest mode of trading is always buying the coin when the market is down and holding for the long term, less stressful but if you trust that the market will go up eventually you will end up in a profit.

So if you trade, should you only trade bitcoin?  Or bitcoin and other big name coins like litecoin, etc?  Should you avoid any coin that is not in the top 20 for example?
If there is a great project with a great reputable team then i would not care if the coin is listed in the top traded coins, but if you look at the market rarely you would see great projects.
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June 20, 2019, 10:35:52 PM
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actually, in a case like this there are two factors that most influence how much they get
1. The first is the amount they use
2. The second is whether they often do this

But there are also several factors that can hinder such as the forecast market, the problem on the exchange itself. But usually market forecast which is unstable and volatile become the main problem for both.
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June 20, 2019, 10:50:21 PM
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Provided that you are a professional, yes, you can earn much more than holders, but according to statistics it is the other way around. The reason is that there are very few good traders, working hard, traders can earn a lot in a whole month or a week and then lose 90% of the money earned by making a mistake. Because of this, holders earn more, they make fewer mistakes.

I agree, most traders who actively trade has the probability to become successful in their trading career or maybe at part time money making. Holders who choose no trading activity and will trade occasionally, cannot guarantee perfect timing to sell while asset price gained higher price value. Sometimes they tend to consider that a mistake so they'll getting more behind than active traders.
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June 20, 2019, 11:03:14 PM
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Considering earnings and security, I would prefer dividing your capital into two: holding and for trading. The holding part is for security somehow. As long as the market is bullish, holding is good. The trading part is for active income and mostly dependent on the strategy of trading.

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June 20, 2019, 11:05:12 PM
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Provided that you are a professional, yes, you can earn much more than holders, but according to statistics it is the other way around. The reason is that there are very few good traders, working hard, traders can earn a lot in a whole month or a week and then lose 90% of the money earned by making a mistake. Because of this, holders earn more, they make fewer mistakes.

I agree, most traders who actively trade has the probability to become successful in their trading career or maybe at part time money making. Holders who choose no trading activity and will trade occasionally, cannot guarantee perfect timing to sell while asset price gained higher price value. Sometimes they tend to consider that a mistake so they'll getting more behind than active traders.
This is the fact that holders think they are safe on that option rather than doing actively in trading which is very risky for them. Risk taker will get a better profit in trading than holder which you patiently wait until the price goes up. Trading is not just easy to make money so be careful on it maybe also this will lead you have been losses from trading. I may advise if you hold the 50% and the rest in trading at least if you fail on trading still there is your holding.

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June 20, 2019, 11:08:05 PM
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No, no, no. You cannot conclude it just like that.
There are different type of traders and also holders. Short term and longn terms.
Plus, it will be about how you make choices and deciding when you will sell or buy.

Those are mostly traders problem, for most of the hodlers problem is just when to buy more. Hoarding is the key and we still want to buy it for a cheaper price instead of being in a FOMO situation.

Trading needs hard work while Hodling needs a lot of courage.
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June 20, 2019, 11:08:45 PM
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Depends on what you are trading and depends on what strategy you are using in trading. If you bought Bitcoin last February, your investment by now multiplied 3 times already but if you are trading lets say day trading with a goal of 2% per day result will be the same granting that you are consistent in earning 2% per day including Saturdays and Sundays. Imagine the effort that you will exert just to earn 2% per day.
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June 21, 2019, 03:21:44 AM
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For me both are equal in terms of profits, yes trader can earn everyday little by little if the price is constantly increasing but may suffer loss if the price went down, as for holders they are not after short term gains they are after the long term profits which can be very big depending on the price, it is like one time big time.
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June 21, 2019, 03:40:56 AM
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For me both are equal in terms of profits, yes trader can earn everyday little by little if the price is constantly increasing but may suffer loss if the price went down, as for holders they are not after short term gains they are after the long term profits which can be very big depending on the price, it is like one time big time.
I think that depends on the individual. the convenience of getting profit from trading or long-term investment is the choice of each style. both have their own characteristics with different levels of risk. but the goal is the same, namely to make a profit


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June 21, 2019, 10:19:55 AM
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Of course yes! Traders are more profitable than holders. Imagine, when you hold you just speculating the price. But if you trade, you take profits. In the end, you can sell it at yhe top together with those who holds for a ling time.
However, there are cases that in a certain coin, hodling is the best thing to do. Just like bitcoin.



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June 21, 2019, 03:25:04 PM
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i guess so , traders make more money than holders , because they do it constanly rather than holders who just hold it for several time
but also traders have chance to get loss more than holders i guess
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June 21, 2019, 03:49:48 PM
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i guess so , traders make more money than holders , because they do it constanly rather than holders who just hold it for several time
but also traders have chance to get loss more than holders i guess
in view of profit, I think that happened. it's like returning to investing in something, and it can get worse, or it can get higher. for now, I better hold back what I have, despite the fact that trading is indeed profitable.

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June 21, 2019, 04:03:34 PM
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It depends on time/market situation I think. sometime Holders can earn huge profit and sometime trader. In bullish market holder can earn huge profit and in bearish market trader can earn profit than holders I think.

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June 21, 2019, 05:07:26 PM
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It depends on time/market situation I think. sometime Holders can earn huge profit and sometime trader. In bullish market holder can earn huge profit and in bearish market trader can earn profit than holders I think.
it depends not only on market conditions but on trend conditions that can help to make prices move up and down, when like today I see the trend going up and many traders will benefit from cryptocurrency price increases.
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June 21, 2019, 06:26:04 PM
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It is based on the situation only but no one will say traders is more profitable then the holders because when the development is continuously happened the holder will be more profitable than the traitor that's why everything has the time and situation needed for getting profits more higher than expectation.

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June 21, 2019, 06:53:23 PM
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To me, trading seems like its good because you can make consistent income.  Holding bitcoin, you aren't making money even if price goes up. 


Let say a person has $10,000 to trade.  Right now this person can buy 1.1 bitcoin or so. 


To make it simple, let's make 1 btc = $5000.


This person buys 2 btc for $10000.  Im going to exclude the trading fee for this part.


Now the price of btc goes up to say $5500 in say a few days.  The trader now sells 2 btc for $11000.  Fee is 0.25 percent so $27.50 fee.  Now balance is $10972.50.  So at the moment the trader has made $972.50.  Now he watches the price and it goes up to $6000.  Of course he say man if i waited, could made about $972.50 more.  Well he isn't doing anything as the trader now wants the price to drop.  Now let say btc drops to say $5000, then to say $4500.  He now buys about 2.4x bitcoin with his current balance.  Say price stays around that mark for a while.  Then prices goes to $5200.  He then sells all the btc for usd or usdt.  Here, he would make around $1200 or so.  I just estimated the profit here and estimated the fee.  But this person now has a balance of $12172.50 or so.  And btc price is back to the original price it was earlier.


So here... this person has made around $2000 trading btc... while the btc price started at $5000 to start... went to $5500... went to as high as say $6000... but he sold it at $5500.  Then bought it again when price dipped to $4500.  Then let say at the lowest point it went to say $4200.  But as price went back to $5000, he sold it all. 


So a holder... does not profit at all.  Someone who bought btc at $5000.... and have these fluctuations of as high as $6000 and as low as $4200 during this time span made no money.  Let say this person bought btc at 5k and look at the price movements but would not sell at all during this time.  Yet the trader... made around $2000 in profit trading btc here.  Now if price dipped or went down and the trader couldn't sell, yes he is down money.  But unless he sells the btc... he isn't down money.


So wouldn't this mean being a trader is more lucrative than being a holder?  You can make consistent money monthly it seems if btc keeps on fluctuating in prices.  Of course if price keeps dropping, well its hard to make any money since it would be hard to sell it above buy price.


However, people say trading seems to be stressful.  Is it?  I mean, all you are doing is looking at the btc price... it either goes up , down or stays around the same.  Its not like you have to analyze it daily or something... do you agree?  Now let say its altcoins... that would seem like ton of work because you have to research all the coins.  And those coins have high fluctuations no where compared to bitcoin.


So if you trade, should you only trade bitcoin?  Or bitcoin and other big name coins like litecoin, etc?  Should you avoid any coin that is not in the top 20 for example?
both the traders and holders make the profit for good investment but we can I differentiate the prophet while seeing a single person or a group of people profit it will definitely difference for the different people so we cannot predict it very easily.
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