⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[Jody.Drummer]

In my opinion, Messi made a good decision in terms of money (PSG is a bag of which it’s not a sin to milk) but a bad one in terms of image - outside of Barcelona he turned out to be an ordinary player. But he couldn't stay in Barcelona because, according to trade union rules, he could not agree to a >=50% cut in wages even if he wanted to, and Barcelona had no money to pay a normal salary.

Yes I agree with what you said about Messi, especially about the image of his game. At Paris Saint Germain, he played like an ordinary player without showing that he is one of the best players in the world who is still actively playing. He seems to confirm that he is only good at playing for Barcelona, but not for other teams. I think that lowers his quality.

[vennali]

In my opinion, Messi made a good decision in terms of money (PSG is a bag of which it’s not a sin to milk) but a bad one in terms of image - outside of Barcelona he turned out to be an ordinary player. But he couldn't stay in Barcelona because, according to trade union rules, he could not agree to a >=50% cut in wages even if he wanted to, and Barcelona had no money to pay a normal salary.

Yes I agree with what you said about Messi, especially about the image of his game. At Paris Saint Germain, he played like an ordinary player without showing that he is one of the best players in the world who is still actively playing. He seems to confirm that he is only good at playing for Barcelona, but not for other teams. I think that lowers his quality.

I think you are wrong to call him "ordinary" at PSG. He is still one of the best players in a super team like PSG. He has more goal contributions in Ligue 1 than Neymar last season(was close though) and is 2nd most goal contributions behind Mbappe. He was the highest rated player in the Champions league as well. Maybe not extra ordinary as he was in his prime but still cannot call it ordinary.

[Jody.Drummer]

I think you are wrong to call him "ordinary" at PSG. He is still one of the best players in a super team like PSG. He has more goal contributions in Ligue 1 than Neymar last season(was close though) and is 2nd most goal contributions behind Mbappe. He was the highest rated player in the Champions league as well. Maybe not extra ordinary as he was in his prime but still cannot call it ordinary.

You are right if you compare with other players who were at Paris Saint Germain first, but when you compare when he was with Barcelona Messi has a performance with a pretty big gap in my opinion. Yes it goes back to each other's opinion about this player, because we definitely see it from a different point of view. Nevertheless I am still looking forward to a more colorful performance from this Argentine player.

[Despairo]

I think you are wrong to call him "ordinary" at PSG. He is still one of the best players in a super team like PSG. He has more goal contributions in Ligue 1 than Neymar last season(was close though) and is 2nd most goal contributions behind Mbappe. He was the highest rated player in the Champions league as well. Maybe not extra ordinary as he was in his prime but still cannot call it ordinary.

The reason why many people see Messi at PSG is an ordinary player because he's not the first striker who execute to score a goal, but his contribution at PSG is helping both Neymar and Mbappe to score. Honestly I'd say Neymar is the worst if we compare with Mbappe and Messi, since he didn't make so much goal and mostly humiliating other players with his skilled dribble. Messi can be partnered with Mbappe and Neymar, but Mbappe and Messi are better than Neymar and Messi.

[maju69]

I think the opinion that it was luck comes from the fact that Real Madrid did not play as spectacularly as we were used to by "Spanish football". I don't know where it comes from, but I have the impression that Real Madrid is playing more and more football similar to the "German football". It is hard work, focus and consistent pursuit of victory. A lot of people may not like it, but for Real Madrid, the most important thing is that they are simply effective.

But many people think that it is sheer luck without seeing how they apply disciplined and coordinated football in creating counter-attacks. Their hard work in maintaining depth must also be accompanied by a good transition between attack and defense and vice versa. It was a good partnership, and I think few have succeeded with a strategy like Real Madrid's.

[Sebas.tian]

Cristiano Ronaldo's leaving Real Madrid didn't affect them too badly at all. Many people expected them to be in a worse condition after he left but Real Madrid still managed to stay strong. They became the champions in the Champions League too. This proves how much awesome team Real Madrid are now. Barcelona didn't experience the same thing after Messi left the team. They struggled a lot for some time and they are newly recovering now. It is really good to see Real Madrid like this because it proves that they aren't dependent on one player.

I agree with you, because Real Madrid players never allowed the team to fail like other teams. I think, Real Madrid managements took their time to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers like, Cristiano Ronaldo, Benzema and others in case anyone is leaving the team the thing will not affect the team. The reason why Barcelona failed since Messi left the team, is because their managements missed the opportunity to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers when Messi was there, thinking he will remain with them forever.

[joker_josue]

Tomorrow we will have the first games for the next edition of the Champions League.

These are the games for the PRELIMINARY HALF FINAL ROUND:
La Fiorita (San Marino) - Inter Scaldes (Andorra)
FCI Levadia (Estonia) x Vikingur Reykjavik (Iceland)


Are you going to place bets?

[Republikcoin.com]

But many people think that it is sheer luck without seeing how they apply disciplined and coordinated football in creating counter-attacks. Their hard work in maintaining depth must also be accompanied by a good transition between attack and defense and vice versa. It was a good partnership, and I think few have succeeded with a strategy like Real Madrid's.

The Real Madrid team has a very large cohesiveness in addition to a very good strategy so that it is purely because Real Madrid are able to guard all lines very well so that they can create very good defense and attack. And it doesn't deserve to be called luck because the team that Real Madrid beat was not just one and it wasn't a weak team either.

[Jody.Drummer]

But many people think that it is sheer luck without seeing how they apply disciplined and coordinated football in creating counter-attacks. Their hard work in maintaining depth must also be accompanied by a good transition between attack and defense and vice versa. It was a good partnership, and I think few have succeeded with a strategy like Real Madrid's.

The Real Madrid team has a very large cohesiveness in addition to a very good strategy so that it is purely because Real Madrid are able to guard all lines very well so that they can create very good defense and attack. And it doesn't deserve to be called luck because the team that Real Madrid beat was not just one and it wasn't a weak team either.

Agree with what you said, that Real Madrid have a very effective game from all lines, they work continuously so it is not easy for the opposing team to penetrate their defense even though the opposing players dominate the game. Their strategy went well, that understanding was mentored by their seniors who had been in this team for a long time, so that some of the younger players also gave their maximum game.

[babo]

I think you are wrong to call him "ordinary" at PSG. He is still one of the best players in a super team like PSG. He has more goal contributions in Ligue 1 than Neymar last season(was close though) and is 2nd most goal contributions behind Mbappe. He was the highest rated player in the Champions league as well. Maybe not extra ordinary as he was in his prime but still cannot call it ordinary.

The reason why many people see Messi at PSG is an ordinary player because he's not the first striker who execute to score a goal, but his contribution at PSG is helping both Neymar and Mbappe to score. Honestly I'd say Neymar is the worst if we compare with Mbappe and Messi, since he didn't make so much goal and mostly humiliating other players with his skilled dribble. Messi can be partnered with Mbappe and Neymar, but Mbappe and Messi are better than Neymar and Messi.

that's right but it also does something else
in training, when he trains ... people learn his way of playing
his tricks
seeing a very good player also motivates you a lot and motivates the young people of the team

a player like that, he doesn't just score, he does a lot .. if he gives himself to the team

[topman21]

In my opinion, Messi made a good decision in terms of money (PSG is a bag of which it’s not a sin to milk) but a bad one in terms of image - outside of Barcelona he turned out to be an ordinary player. But he couldn't stay in Barcelona because, according to trade union rules, he could not agree to a >=50% cut in wages even if he wanted to, and Barcelona had no money to pay a normal salary.

Yes I agree with what you said about Messi, especially about the image of his game. At Paris Saint Germain, he played like an ordinary player without showing that he is one of the best players in the world who is still actively playing. He seems to confirm that he is only good at playing for Barcelona, but not for other teams. I think that lowers his quality.

I agree with you. We have seen that when Messi was with Neymar and the Barcelona club in the city, they would fight in a very strong way in any match. Messi and Neymar's chemistry was such that only the two of them had a lot of plans for the coaching and team management of the opposing team.Since Messi joined PSG and got easier with Neymar again, it can be said that the two of them will take PSG a long way again like Barcelona.

[Swordsoffreedom]

In my opinion, Messi made a good decision in terms of money (PSG is a bag of which it’s not a sin to milk) but a bad one in terms of image - outside of Barcelona he turned out to be an ordinary player. But he couldn't stay in Barcelona because, according to trade union rules, he could not agree to a >=50% cut in wages even if he wanted to, and Barcelona had no money to pay a normal salary.

Yes I agree with what you said about Messi, especially about the image of his game. At Paris Saint Germain, he played like an ordinary player without showing that he is one of the best players in the world who is still actively playing. He seems to confirm that he is only good at playing for Barcelona, but not for other teams. I think that lowers his quality.

I agree with you. We have seen that when Messi was with Neymar and the Barcelona club in the city, they would fight in a very strong way in any match. Messi and Neymar's chemistry was such that only the two of them had a lot of plans for the coaching and team management of the opposing team.Since Messi joined PSG and got easier with Neymar again, it can be said that the two of them will take PSG a long way again like Barcelona.

The bonding and chemistry between Messi and Neymar is excellent. In Barcelona, ​​we have seen, that Messi and Neymar have knocked down the opponent's defence many times. Young Mbappe is with Messi and Neymar at PSG. If Neymar does not suffer too many injuries next season, and the Messi-Neymar-Mbappe trio play together, then PSG's attack will be even stronger. At the same time, if PSG gets an experienced coach, they will be the favourites again to win the Champions League.

[RILWAN]

Cristiano Ronaldo's leaving Real Madrid didn't affect them too badly at all. Many people expected them to be in a worse condition after he left but Real Madrid still managed to stay strong. They became the champions in the Champions League too. This proves how much awesome team Real Madrid are now. Barcelona didn't experience the same thing after Messi left the team. They struggled a lot for some time and they are newly recovering now. It is really good to see Real Madrid like this because it proves that they aren't dependent on one player.

I agree with you, because Real Madrid players never allowed the team to fail like other teams. I think, Real Madrid managements took their time to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers like, Cristiano Ronaldo, Benzema and others in case anyone is leaving the team the thing will not affect the team. The reason why Barcelona failed since Messi left the team, is because their managements missed the opportunity to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers when Messi was there, thinking he will remain with them forever.

Is only someone who does not know what football is all about that will classify Real Madrid wining as cheer luck, I don't think luck can make them win the championship for 8 consecutive times even if luck is on their side it also requires enough preparation and practice.

[Shasha80]

Cristiano Ronaldo's leaving Real Madrid didn't affect them too badly at all. Many people expected them to be in a worse condition after he left but Real Madrid still managed to stay strong. They became the champions in the Champions League too. This proves how much awesome team Real Madrid are now. Barcelona didn't experience the same thing after Messi left the team. They struggled a lot for some time and they are newly recovering now. It is really good to see Real Madrid like this because it proves that they aren't dependent on one player.

I agree with you, because Real Madrid players never allowed the team to fail like other teams. I think, Real Madrid managements took their time to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers like, Cristiano Ronaldo, Benzema and others in case anyone is leaving the team the thing will not affect the team. The reason why Barcelona failed since Messi left the team, is because their managements missed the opportunity to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers when Messi was there, thinking he will remain with them forever.

Is only someone who does not know what football is all about that will classify Real Madrid wining as cheer luck, I don't think luck can make them win the championship for 8 consecutive times even if luck is on their side it also requires enough preparation and practice.

I understand if someone says Real Madrid is lucky to win the Champions League trophy this year. That's because in the Champions League
final Liverpool were more in control of the game, then Liverpool's players created more chances. However, Thibaut Courtois has become
a Real Madrid hero. Surprisingly Courtois played really well by making quite a number of saves. So to say Real Madrid won dramatically,
but indeed Real Madrid managed to beat Liverpool because they had a winning mentality and Real Madrid's attack was much more effective.
After all, Real Madrid has won 14 Champions League trophies, which for me has proven that Real Madrid is indeed the best team. Regardless of
whether Real Madrid was lucky to beat Liverpool or not, what is certain is that Real Madrid really deserves to win the Champions League trophy.

[Masplanc]

Cristiano Ronaldo's leaving Real Madrid didn't affect them too badly at all. Many people expected them to be in a worse condition after he left but Real Madrid still managed to stay strong. They became the champions in the Champions League too. This proves how much awesome team Real Madrid are now. Barcelona didn't experience the same thing after Messi left the team. They struggled a lot for some time and they are newly recovering now. It is really good to see Real Madrid like this because it proves that they aren't dependent on one player.

I agree with you, because Real Madrid players never allowed the team to fail like other teams. I think, Real Madrid managements took their time to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers like, Cristiano Ronaldo, Benzema and others in case anyone is leaving the team the thing will not affect the team. The reason why Barcelona failed since Messi left the team, is because their managements missed the opportunity to invested a huge amount of money on talented strikers when Messi was there, thinking he will remain with them forever.

Real madrid understand how to keep the team moving, they believe investing on talented players will make the team very strong and to win every trophy.  Their mentality in investing in good players has also helped them to generate more fund in the club. With this mentality Real Madrid has their team will always be one cf the best.

[RILWAN]

I understand if someone says Real Madrid is lucky to win the Champions League trophy this year. That's because in the Champions League
final Liverpool were more in control of the game, then Liverpool's players created more chances. However, Thibaut Courtois has become
a Real Madrid hero. Surprisingly Courtois played well by making quite several saves. So to say Real Madrid won dramatically,
but indeed Real Madrid managed to beat Liverpool because they had a winning mentality and Real Madrid's attack was much more effective.

I understand the fact that many Liverpool fans and other football fans have predicted Liverpool winning the championship because of the performance in the run-up to the finals, but luckily Real Madrid become the winner but that doesn't mean the winning is luck based because Real Madrid work to it.

[Pulsar77]

Sometimes we see surprising teams winning the Champions League too. Because Chelsea's winning the title wasn't very expected two seasons ago. They were just too good at defending their opponents and this especially helped them win the title. Real Madrid's amazing success last season wasn't very expected too when we newly got past the group stage. Because there were some teams like Manchester City and PSG that were favoured highly. I love the Champions League when we this kind of things too. Otherwise we wouldn't see different teams becoming the champions here much. I don't mean Real Madrid as a different team though as they became the champions the most here. 

[blackened515]

Sometimes we see surprising teams winning the Champions League too. Because Chelsea's winning the title wasn't very expected two seasons ago. They were just too good at defending their opponents and this especially helped them win the title. Real Madrid's amazing success last season wasn't very expected too when we newly got past the group stage. Because there were some teams like Manchester City and PSG that were favoured highly. I love the Champions League when we this kind of things too. Otherwise we wouldn't see different teams becoming the champions here much. I don't mean Real Madrid as a different team though as they became the champions the most here. 

I agree with you. Chelsea winning the Champions League trophy two seasons back was really surprising. Many people never expected the Blues to lift the title. But they had a tight defense which gave their opponent tough time to access their goalpost, and that helped them in achieving the trophy. While, last season. I literally thought Manchester City was going to win the trophy because they had a balanced squad, and their performance was impressive. But they were unfortunately kicked out by Real Madrid at the Semi finals.

[TheGreatPython]

I think the opinion that it was luck comes from the fact that Real Madrid did not play as spectacularly as we were used to by "Spanish football". I don't know where it comes from, but I have the impression that Real Madrid is playing more and more football similar to the "German football". It is hard work, focus and consistent pursuit of victory. A lot of people may not like it, but for Real Madrid, the most important thing is that they are simply effective.

But many people think that it is sheer luck without seeing how they apply disciplined and coordinated football in creating counter-attacks. Their hard work in maintaining depth must also be accompanied by a good transition between attack and defense and vice versa. It was a good partnership, and I think few have succeeded with a strategy like Real Madrid's.

The idea of "sheer luck" is just a pure lie told by fans of other clubs to diminish the value of their win and nothing more. There will be plenty of English fans, from Chelsea to city to Liverpool all of the British great teams that Real beat, and they will always talk about how it was luck that brought them the cup, because otherwise they would have accept that it was a fair game where Real played better and they were the better team and won.

I know for a fact there are a few people who think like that, and I am sorry but Real just played amazing well, against all their opponents, and it is normal for them to feel like they deserved it every bit as any other winner before.

[Harkorede]

Tomorrow we will have the first games for the next edition of the Champions League.

These are the games for the PRELIMINARY HALF FINAL ROUND:
La Fiorita (San Marino) - Inter Scaldes (Andorra)
FCI Levadia (Estonia) x Vikingur Reykjavik (Iceland)


Are you going to place bets?

I think both games are going to go over, I don't know which teams to go for If I were to bet, I'd likely judge just by the ranking of the country. but I'd fancy the Over 2.5 goals more, these qualifiers are often goals infested.

And I think Vikingur Reykjavik odds for ML or double chance is quite valuable imo, despite being away from home.