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January 17, 2024, 06:32:56 PM
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I mentioned this point in my previous posts " Only Piss poor in ICC knockouts". In this department, Australia got an immense edge over India.

But in Test format, they are slightly lagging. One main parameter to judge is to just look at how both of these teams perform in each other's territories. The last time Australia won test series in India was way back in 2003-04 and India has won 2 series in Australia.

Don't judge Australia performance when they are up against low ranking teams like Pakistan or Windies, especially when they are playing at home. One can make an argument for an away series though, even against low ranking teams because most of the teams are largely dominating at home.
We can't justify anything here with our stats and calculation because main thing is who is winning and who is taking silverware with currently Australia is leading country, and they are doing impressive work with their quality and consistency even there is no doubt India is also good side with their recent results in all formats but still they are choking which is fact, and they need to overcome these weak points if they also want to have any mark around the cricketing world.

Australia is winning against weaker sides so can you justify South Africa is strong side or Afghanistan is strong side as all are having same level teams and same level conditions, but Australia is good and aggressive with they are also having best cricketing system which is producing the best players which are giving their best in all conditions.
IMO That's a horrible way to look at test format, saying this because you brought AFG so you are talking about all formats and we are discussing only test cricket.

First, There is virtually no doubt that Australia is an ICC tournament beast and at the same time, there is no requirement to take any sort of inspiration from White ball cricket regarding test cricket because bilateral cricket in white ball cricket is pretty much dead and it has no relevance in the world cricket, except filling the calender and talent hunting ground for teams.

For test cricket, well look at it this way.

BIG-3 and others

England: In the last 2 years, very competitive at home. Historically, clueless in Australia and India but under BAZBALL there might be some hope. Competitive in SA, NZ. The rest of the teams hardly matter because they don't have strong or consistent teams or England takes these tours as practice matches.

Australia: Dominant side at home against every team except India. Competitive against every team in away conditions, they draw and win series here n there regularly but it's been 2 decades for AUS to win any series in India.

India: No matter who is touring them, they just don't lose anything. In the last 12 years, they lost only 3-4 test matches. They also started winning in SENA conditions which wasn't the case before. Away/Home Series against BAN, WI and SL offer no glory to Indian players unless you are new or debutant and these series only come alive when these teams put in some sort of effort or compete against India.
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SA: At times Competetive and dominant at home but not so when they tour.

NZ: Dominant at home and competitive in England but always perform shit in Australia and India.  

SL: Competetive at home and surprising in SA too but now they are in a dire situation.

PAK: In their last home season against Aus, Eng and NZ they failed to win a single match and they are not a good touring side as well unless they are playing against SL,Ban, WI. Sometimes they do compete in England though.

WI and BAN : Hopeless.

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January 17, 2024, 08:54:54 PM
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I mentioned this point in my previous posts " Only Piss poor in ICC knockouts". In this department, Australia got an immense edge over India.

But in Test format, they are slightly lagging. One main parameter to judge is to just look at how both of these teams perform in each other's territories. The last time Australia won test series in India was way back in 2003-04 and India has won 2 series in Australia.

Don't judge Australia performance when they are up against low ranking teams like Pakistan or Windies, especially when they are playing at home. One can make an argument for an away series though, even against low ranking teams because most of the teams are largely dominating at home.
We can't justify anything here with our stats and calculation because main thing is who is winning and who is taking silverware with currently Australia is leading country, and they are doing impressive work with their quality and consistency even there is no doubt India is also good side with their recent results in all formats but still they are choking which is fact, and they need to overcome these weak points if they also want to have any mark around the cricketing world.

Australia is winning against weaker sides so can you justify South Africa is strong side or Afghanistan is strong side as all are having same level teams and same level conditions, but Australia is good and aggressive with they are also having best cricketing system which is producing the best players which are giving their best in all conditions.
IMO That's a horrible way to look at test format, saying this because you brought AFG so you are talking about all formats and we are discussing only test cricket.

First, There is virtually no doubt that Australia is an ICC tournament beast and at the same time, there is no requirement to take any sort of inspiration from White ball cricket regarding test cricket because bilateral cricket in white ball cricket is pretty much dead and it has no relevance in the world cricket, except filling the calender and talent hunting ground for teams.

For test cricket, well look at it this way.

BIG-3 and others

England: In the last 2 years, very competitive at home. Historically, clueless in Australia and India but under BAZBALL there might be some hope. Competitive in SA, NZ. The rest of the teams hardly matter because they don't have strong or consistent teams or England takes these tours as practice matches.

Australia: Dominant side at home against every team except India. Competitive against every team in away conditions, they draw and win series here n there regularly but it's been 2 decades for AUS to win any series in India.

India: No matter who is touring them, they just don't lose anything. In the last 12 years, they lost only 3-4 test matches. They also started winning in SENA conditions which wasn't the case before. Away/Home Series against BAN, WI and SL offer no glory to Indian players unless you are new or debutant and these series only come alive when these teams put in some sort of effort or compete against India.
-----------------------------------------

SA: At times Competetive and dominant at home but not so when they tour.

NZ: Dominant at home and competitive in England but always perform shit in Australia and India.  

SL: Competetive at home and surprising in SA too but now they are in a dire situation.

PAK: In their last home season against Aus, Eng and NZ they failed to win a single match and they are not a good touring side as well unless they are playing against SL,Ban, WI. Sometimes they do compete in England though.

WI and BAN : Hopeless.

I am sorry if I am hurting your feelings as I have no intention to talk about this topic because I have feeling this all is useless but as you saying again and again India beats Australia in last few years again and again then I found the reason about this, so please give some details about this as well because you better understand cricket and all things than me hopefully you will give correct view why Australians are losing again and again.

Most of the time Australians are happy to do business with the teams which are giving them good profit and currently India mean profit in cricket, so just because of this we have Australians losing again and again against India in last one decade.

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January 17, 2024, 09:47:04 PM
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I am sorry if I am hurting your feelings as I have no intention to talk about this topic because I have feeling this all is useless but as you saying again and again India beats Australia in last few years again and again then I found the reason about this, so please give some details about this as well because you better understand cricket and all things than me hopefully you will give correct view why Australians are losing again and again.

Most of the time Australians are happy to do business with the teams which are giving them good profit and currently India mean profit in cricket, so just because of this we have Australians losing again and again against India in last one decade.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1547170


Where do you guys see such kind of conspiracy theories?

Australian cricket board is not poor and they see test cricket as a pride till date, that is why the Ashes is something special for Australia. Team India evolved a lot and found new talents in the last 15 years which changed the dimension of Indian cricket so they started doing better than the previous era Indian team but ICC trophy yet to arrive with such amount of talent but it doesn't mean team India is weak and they are paying for their opponents to lose. Tongue

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Australia lost the wicket of Cameron Green at the start of the second day. I expected a slightly bigger innings from Green. But Cameron Green returned to the dressing room after collecting only 14 runs.

Usman Khawaja and Travis head are batting very well. Australia collected 100 runs in 34 overs. Usman Khawaja remained unbeaten on 41 off 98 balls. And Travis Head collected 20 runs. Australia still trailed by 88 runs. But it doesn't seem difficult to collect 88 runs by looking at their batting. Usman Khawaja is batting very responsibly. Australia will probably score around 250 in the first innings.

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January 18, 2024, 12:55:21 AM
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Australia lost the wicket of Cameron Green at the start of the second day. I expected a slightly bigger innings from Green. But Cameron Green returned to the dressing room after collecting only 14 runs.

Usman Khawaja and Travis head are batting very well. Australia collected 100 runs in 34 overs. Usman Khawaja remained unbeaten on 41 off 98 balls. And Travis Head collected 20 runs. Australia still trailed by 88 runs. But it doesn't seem difficult to collect 88 runs by looking at their batting. Usman Khawaja is batting very responsibly. Australia will probably score around 250 in the first innings.

Although Australia is an experienced team, it cannot be said with certainty whether they will be able to score more than 200 in the first innings. Usman Khawaja was batting very well. But Khawaja's innings ended on 45 runs. Travis head and Mitchell Marsh are now at the crease. These two batsmen are also very experienced. But since the pitch is completely bowling friendly. So it is very difficult for batsmen to stay at the crease on this pitch. Australia managed to collect 120 runs after losing 4 wickets. The team is still behind by 68 runs. Shamar Joseph is bowling very well. He managed to pick up three important wickets.

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January 18, 2024, 03:30:25 AM
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Australia lost the wicket of Cameron Green at the start of the second day. I expected a slightly bigger innings from Green. But Cameron Green returned to the dressing room after collecting only 14 runs.

Usman Khawaja and Travis head are batting very well. Australia collected 100 runs in 34 overs. Usman Khawaja remained unbeaten on 41 off 98 balls. And Travis Head collected 20 runs. Australia still trailed by 88 runs. But it doesn't seem difficult to collect 88 runs by looking at their batting. Usman Khawaja is batting very responsibly. Australia will probably score around 250 in the first innings.
Australia are batting in the second session of the second day, they have already lost 4 wickets today. Green, Mitchell Marsh, Alex Carey could not last long in pitch, but on the other hand, Travis Head is managing the team. Travis Head continues to bat on the pitch with 79 runs from 111 balls. The fast bowlers are getting a lot of advantage on the pitch, the game went on for like a day and a half, 16 wickets fell out of which 15 wickets were in the possession of the pace bowlers. In pitch, Starc is in good company with Travis Head. Australia lead by 17 runs and their team score is 205/6. If the seventh wicket holds for a while I think Australia can score 270+.

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January 18, 2024, 05:44:00 AM
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1st inning was pretty interesting between Australia vs West Indies.  Australian bowlers were so aggressive from beginning and bowling line is so accurate that they stopped WI within 188 run and it supposed to be Australia will be superior the innings. Kirk McKenzie did his 50s from WI, otherwise no batsman was able to last long in pitch. Credit goes to Pat Cummins & Josh Hazlewood for hunting 4w each.
But WI team also bowling fantastic and made Australian batmans in trouble. Only Travis Head survived in from of WI bolwes & record his 119 scored and for him, Australia archivement was 283, that means they are leading with 95 runs yet.

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January 18, 2024, 06:09:51 AM
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What happened to Australia? Against a weak West Indies team they were unable to bat. Not a big lead for the West Indies team still they are struggling again with the bat. They have lost 4 wickets in quick intervals and are now trailing by 67 runs. Hazelwood is again doing the damage, he has already taken 4 wickets and looks like a 5 wicket haul in the making today. In the first innings, he had taken 4 wickets with Pat Cummins, today the captain has not taken any wickets but might get a few soon.

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January 18, 2024, 06:36:59 AM
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1st inning was pretty interesting between Australia vs West Indies.  Australian bowlers were so aggressive from beginning and bowling line is so accurate that they stopped WI within 188 run and it supposed to be Australia will be superior the innings. Kirk McKenzie did his 50s from WI, otherwise no batsman was able to last long in pitch. Credit goes to Pat Cummins & Josh Hazlewood for hunting 4w each.
But WI team also bowling fantastic and made Australian batmans in trouble. Only Travis Head survived in from of WI bolwes & record his 119 scored and for him, Australia archivement was 283, that means they are leading with 95 runs yet.
West Indies batting badly in 1st Innings Today West Indies team batsmen came to bat for 2nd Innings. Australia team started very good performance in bowling line for which West Indies team batsmen are not able to bat well. 5 wickets in 16.1 overs.  West Indies batsman Kraigg Brathwaite is out for 1 off 11 balls.Tagenarine Chanderpaul is out for 0 runs off 1 ball.Kirk McKenzie is out for 26 runs off 35 balls.Alick Athanaze is out for 0 runs off 11 balls.Kavem  Hodge was dismissed for 3 runs off 12 balls.

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January 18, 2024, 07:35:35 AM
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1st inning was pretty interesting between Australia vs West Indies.  Australian bowlers were so aggressive from beginning and bowling line is so accurate that they stopped WI within 188 run and it supposed to be Australia will be superior the innings. Kirk McKenzie did his 50s from WI, otherwise no batsman was able to last long in pitch. Credit goes to Pat Cummins & Josh Hazlewood for hunting 4w each.
But WI team also bowling fantastic and made Australian batmans in trouble. Only Travis Head survived in from of WI bolwes & record his 119 scored and for him, Australia archivement was 283, that means they are leading with 95 runs yet.
Australia vs West Indies 1st Test match Australia performed very well. Bowlers of Australia bowled West Indies only for 188 all out. Australia team started well with a lead of 188 runs given by West Indies but could not score big with West Indies bowling only Australia gave West Indies a lead of 95 runs in the first innings. The West Indies batsmen are under a lot of pressure after losing six wickets for 60 runs after coming down to bat with the league of 95 runs given by Australia. West Indies' batting failure again looks like Australia is going to win the first Test match by a huge margin.

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January 18, 2024, 07:36:12 AM
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1st inning was pretty interesting between Australia vs West Indies.  Australian bowlers were so aggressive from beginning and bowling line is so accurate that they stopped WI within 188 run and it supposed to be Australia will be superior the innings. Kirk McKenzie did his 50s from WI, otherwise no batsman was able to last long in pitch. Credit goes to Pat Cummins & Josh Hazlewood for hunting 4w each.
But WI team also bowling fantastic and made Australian batmans in trouble. Only Travis Head survived in from of WI bolwes & record his 119 scored and for him, Australia archivement was 283, that means they are leading with 95 runs yet.
West Indies batting badly in 1st Innings Today West Indies team batsmen came to bat for 2nd Innings. Australia team started very good performance in bowling line for which West Indies team batsmen are not able to bat well. 5 wickets in 16.1 overs.  West Indies batsman Kraigg Brathwaite is out for 1 off 11 balls.Tagenarine Chanderpaul is out for 0 runs off 1 ball.Kirk McKenzie is out for 26 runs off 35 balls.Alick Athanaze is out for 0 runs off 11 balls.Kavem  Hodge was dismissed for 3 runs off 12 balls.
West Indies suffered a setback, losing six wickets, with Justin getting out on the last ball of the session. Josh Hazlewood played a crucial role, taking four wickets and giving Australia a significant advantage. West Indies will need to fight hard in the upcoming sessions, but with six wickets down, Australia is firmly in control of the game.
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The first Test match between Australia and West Indies has started. In the meantime, West Indies batted in the first innings of this Test match, they were all out for only 188, then when Australia batted in their first innings, they were able to score 283 runs.Now West Indies are batting in their second innings and they have already lost six wickets for 76 runs yet they still trail Australia by 22 runs.

When the West Indies were playing a warm-up match against the (CAXI,) their performance looked like they might do well in the Test match against Australia.But coming to the main test match they are showing their opposite performance now it seems that they will lose this test match to Australia.

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The first Test match is a record day only for Hazelwood as he has collected 4 wickets in the second innings so far after taking 4 wickets in the first innings. Collected eight wickets so far in 2 innings. If he can pick up two more wickets before the West Indies are all out, Hazelwood will achieve another milestone of 10 wickets in Tests. He has no record of taking 10 wickets in 67 Tests so far but if he can collect two more wickets in this Test he will become the first to take 10 wickets in a Test.

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January 18, 2024, 09:03:10 AM
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The first Test match is a record day only for Hazelwood as he has collected 4 wickets in the second innings so far after taking 4 wickets in the first innings. Collected eight wickets so far in 2 innings. If he can pick up two more wickets before the West Indies are all out, Hazelwood will achieve another milestone of 10 wickets in Tests. He has no record of taking 10 wickets in 67 Tests so far but if he can collect two more wickets in this Test he will become the first to take 10 wickets in a Test.

Hazelwood is in full form and already has taken 8 wickets in both innings. Another 2 and he will be in the record books, he has already done the damage to WI. They are struggling to chase the lead and still trail by 22 runs. It looks like it will be an innings defeat for them as not much batting is left. They have already lost their to order and with 6 wickets gone, it is not possible for them to make a comeback. I feel that this match will be over on the 3rd day itself.
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January 18, 2024, 09:42:05 AM
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The first Test match between Australia and West Indies has started. In the meantime, West Indies batted in the first innings of this Test match, they were all out for only 188, then when Australia batted in their first innings, they were able to score 283 runs.Now West Indies are batting in their second innings and they have already lost six wickets for 76 runs yet they still trail Australia by 22 runs.

When the West Indies were playing a warm-up match against the (CAXI,) their performance looked like they might do well in the Test match against Australia.But coming to the main test match they are showing their opposite performance now it seems that they will lose this test match to Australia.
In the first test match of Australia vs West Indies, Australia's bowlers bowled very well, bowling out West Indies for just 188 runs. Australia team is in a great rhythm after winning the three test series against Pakistan. Both batting and bowling are very strong so it is expected that they will win the test series against West Indies very easily. The Australian team gave the West Indies a lead of 95 runs when they went down to bat with a lead of 188 runs given by the West Indies. The West Indies batsmen are under a lot of pressure after losing six wickets after 73 runs to bat for the lead of 95 runs given by Australia. Let's see how many runs the West Indies can give to Australia in the end.

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January 18, 2024, 09:43:32 AM
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The first Test match between Australia and West Indies has started. In the meantime, West Indies batted in the first innings of this Test match, they were all out for only 188, then when Australia batted in their first innings, they were able to score 283 runs.Now West Indies are batting in their second innings and they have already lost six wickets for 76 runs yet they still trail Australia by 22 runs.

When the West Indies were playing a warm-up match against the (CAXI,) their performance looked like they might do well in the Test match against Australia.But coming to the main test match they are showing their opposite performance now it seems that they will lose this test match to Australia.
In the first test match of Australia vs West Indies, Australia's bowlers bowled very well, bowling out West Indies for just 188 runs. Australia team is in a great rhythm after winning the three test series against Pakistan. Both batting and bowling are very strong so it is expected that they will win the test series against West Indies very easily. The Australian team gave the West Indies a lead of 95 runs when they went down to bat with a lead of 188 runs given by the West Indies. The West Indies batsmen are under a lot of pressure after losing six wickets after 73 runs to bat for the lead of 95 runs given by Australia. Let's see how many runs the West Indies can give to Australia in the end.
Australia reached 283 runs based on Head's 119 runs. West Indies batted very badly in the last session. West Indies lost 6 wickets for 73 runs to handle the lead of 95 runs given by Australia, at the end of the day West Indies trailed by 22 runs. I don't think West Indies will have any chance to come back in the second innings on the third day. Josh hazelwood also bowled well in the first innings and today too he bowled very well in the second innings and took 4 wickets. As Australia are completely in control of the match, the performance West Indies has shown I think the result of the match will be tomorrow in the first session.

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January 18, 2024, 10:16:01 AM
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Australia reached 283 runs based on Head's 119 runs. West Indies batted very badly in the last session. West Indies lost 6 wickets for 73 runs to handle the lead of 95 runs given by Australia, at the end of the day West Indies trailed by 22 runs. I don't think West Indies will have any chance to come back in the second innings on the third day. Josh hazelwood also bowled well in the first innings and today too he bowled very well in the second innings and took 4 wickets. As Australia are completely in control of the match, the performance West Indies has shown I think the result of the match will be tomorrow in the first session.
In my point of view Australia has won the match. The match now stumped. On the next day I think West Indies will make approximately 100 runs lead and Australia will chase that target easily.
And if the West Indies want to win the match so West Indies needs one more Brian Lara who will make who made 400* runs. Otherwise I am not looking any chance of winning of West Indies team.

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January 18, 2024, 10:59:05 AM
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In my point of view Australia has won the match. The match now stumped. On the next day I think West Indies will make approximately 100 runs lead and Australia will chase that target easily.
And if the West Indies want to win the match so West Indies needs one more Brian Lara who will make who made 400* runs. Otherwise I am not looking any chance of winning of West Indies team.
Australia's winning streak continues with no team able to stop them. We saw that Australia have won every series they have played since their win over India in the 2023 World Cup. Especially in the recently concluded Test series against Pakistan, the Australian team defeated the Pakistan team and even won the series. The Test series between West Indies and Australia is taking place now. Maybe Australia is going to win against West Indies in the first match of this Test series.

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Australia reached 283 runs based on Head's 119 runs. West Indies batted very badly in the last session. West Indies lost 6 wickets for 73 runs to handle the lead of 95 runs given by Australia, at the end of the day West Indies trailed by 22 runs. I don't think West Indies will have any chance to come back in the second innings on the third day. Josh hazelwood also bowled well in the first innings and today too he bowled very well in the second innings and took 4 wickets. As Australia are completely in control of the match, the performance West Indies has shown I think the result of the match will be tomorrow in the first session.
In my point of view Australia has won the match. The match now stumped. On the next day I think West Indies will make approximately 100 runs lead and Australia will chase that target easily.
And if the West Indies want to win the match so West Indies needs one more Brian Lara who will make who made 400* runs. Otherwise I am not looking any chance of winning of West Indies team.
At the end of second day play, we have West Indies on 73 for 6, and they are still trailing by 22 runs which mean if they want to bring Australia on batting again they have to score 23 runs which are possible because in first inning we have some good runs from their tail enders so we can expect some resistance again with Joshua Da Silva is still on crease with his 17 runs.

I was looking for good inning from legendary Chanderpaul's son's inning, but sadly we have no contribution from Tagenarine Chanderpaul he faced 26 balls and have only 6 runs in both innings with one duck his performance is not near his father and I have feeling most chances his career will be also not like his father too long with this performance and current West Indian test condition.

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January 18, 2024, 12:01:58 PM
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West Indies vs Australia Test Series 1st Test match two days play has come to an end, tomorrow maybe we will see the result of this match. Just 2 days of play is over, still 3 days left there is no chance of a draw in this match. West Indies were all out for 188 in the first innings. Australia were all out for 283 in their first innings. Australia batted brilliantly in the first innings to lead by 95 runs. West Indies lost 6 important wickets for 73 runs after going down to bat with a lead of 95 runs given by Australia. West Indies trail by 22 runs, looks like they will lose a few more wickets to make it 22 runs. West Indies can be all out quickly tomorrow. I don't think West Indies can give 100+ target. Australia is going to win this test match easily.
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